ABC News - Super Tuesday (late night) - 1992-03-10
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[0:10] The 92 vote. Tonight, [music] the Super
[0:13] Tuesday primaries.
[0:16] Reporting from ABC News election
[0:18] headquarters, David Brinkley [music] and
[0:20] Peter Jennings. Good evening and welcome
[0:23] back to our coverage of campaign 92. We
[0:25] spent an hour in prime time talking
[0:26] about Super Tuesday. And we're now going
[0:28] to uh try something a little different.
[0:30] We're going to push it out a bit now and
[0:31] spend this next half hour or a couple
[0:33] minutes longer talking about the two
[0:35] next big tests which are Illinois and
[0:37] Michigan. What's your impressions of
[0:39] Super Tuesday? First of all, pretty good
[0:40] night for Clinton, pretty good night for
[0:41] Bush.
[0:42] >> Very good night for Clinton and another
[0:44] good night for Bush. Bush has won every
[0:45] primary so far while everyone talks
[0:47] about what bad trouble he's in. So,
[0:49] we'll see how that works out. But is
[0:51] Michigan the next two states will really
[0:53] decide. Okay, we're going to talk to
[0:55] people in those states. We're going to
[0:56] talk to our own reporters in those
[0:58] states tonight about how they go.
[0:59] >> So, I hope you'll stay with us for the
[1:01] half hour. Just in case you've been out
[1:02] for the evening or something, let's have
[1:03] a look quickly at the way things went on
[1:06] Super Tuesday. First, for the Democrats,
[1:08] here are the way the states lined up for
[1:10] the Democrats tonight. Governor Clinton
[1:12] won seven states. You can see them
[1:14] there. Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana,
[1:16] Mississippi, Tennessee, and Florida.
[1:18] Florida was going to be the big contest
[1:20] between he and former Senator Sonis. Uh,
[1:23] Governor Clinton did even better in
[1:25] Florida than people imagined. Uh, former
[1:27] Senator Sus won three states, one caucus
[1:30] in Delaware and two primary states,
[1:32] Massachusetts and Rhode Island. And
[1:34] these are the number of delegates they
[1:36] won tonight. Remember, Super Tuesday is
[1:38] the richest harvest of delegates so far
[1:40] in the presidential campaign. 508 for
[1:42] Clinton tonight, 195 for Sunis,
[1:46] 17 for Jerry Brown, who came in a very
[1:49] competitive second uh with Governor
[1:51] Clinton in both Rhode Island and in
[1:53] Massachusetts. Here's what it looks like
[1:55] for the Republicans tonight. Uh
[1:57] President Bush across the board in terms
[1:59] of victory. He won all eight states
[2:01] tonight. Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana,
[2:03] Tennessee, Mississippi, Florida, Rhode
[2:04] Island, Massachusetts, the same as it
[2:06] was on the primary states for the
[2:08] Democrats. And Pat Buchanan uh did not
[2:11] win any state. It was not expected that
[2:14] he would. But to give you some sense of
[2:16] how Buchanan's campaign is doing as it
[2:18] goes along, here's a look at the popular
[2:20] vote on the Republican side. George Bush
[2:23] overall tonight in all of those states,
[2:25] getting about 69% of the vote. Pat
[2:27] Buchanan 27% under 30, which means a
[2:31] little bit fact quite a bit behind where
[2:33] he was in New Hampshire. And there's an
[2:35] interesting story at the bottom of that
[2:37] list. David Duke virtually disappears
[2:40] everywhere except in the state of
[2:41] Mississippi. Pat Buchanan in his
[2:44] sister's words, David early on said
[2:46] they've done something tonight which
[2:47] President Bush hasn't been able to do
[2:48] all year and that's put away David Duke.
[2:51] >> It appears they have he got one state in
[2:54] Mississippi which is only reasonably
[2:57] reasonable state. He got 12%. That's the
[2:59] best he's done. It's not very good. In
[3:02] order to uh get us rolling along
[3:04] Illinois and Michigan, let's go to Lynn
[3:05] Sher, who's been studying all of the
[3:07] exit polls today. In the half hour we've
[3:09] had during your local news, we've asked
[3:11] Lynn to take a look at some of the
[3:13] detail we got from the from the exit
[3:16] polls on Super Tuesday, which may be a
[3:18] hint to either problems or challenges
[3:21] for the Democrats and the Republicans in
[3:23] Illinois and Michigan. Okay, Lynn.
[3:25] >> Well, Peter, the two leading Democrats
[3:26] have a very clear assignment next week.
[3:28] translate their solid regional victories
[3:31] into votes in a part of the country that
[3:32] neither can claim as a home base. Now,
[3:35] Bill Clinton won a huge majority of
[3:37] southern blacks tonight. Can he do the
[3:39] same with blacks in Illinois and
[3:40] Michigan? Another challenge, the labor
[3:43] vote. In the south, Governor Clinton won
[3:45] union members big. 69% or rather 68%
[3:49] compared to 18% for Sonis, 7% for Gerald
[3:53] Jerry Brown. Will that support travel to
[3:56] the industrial Midwest? As for his
[3:58] opponent, Paul Sonis lost Florida today.
[4:01] But he did well among the white Catholic
[4:03] vote in Florida, splitting that vote
[4:05] with Clinton. And since white Catholics
[4:07] make up a large portion of the vote in
[4:09] next Tuesday's primaries, this is a
[4:11] critical group. Jerry Brown has an even
[4:14] bigger problem. He's got to build upon
[4:16] his support among those disaffected
[4:18] voters, uh, the ones who care about the
[4:19] environment and the homeless, so that he
[4:22] can place better than second in a large
[4:23] state. The issue for the Republican
[4:26] candidates is even clearer. How to deal
[4:28] with the growing anger among voters.
[4:30] According to our exit polls, seven out
[4:32] of 10 Republican voters are dissatisfied
[4:34] with the way the federal government is
[4:36] working. And a quarter of the
[4:38] Republicans said they're not just
[4:39] dissatisfied, they're angry. Most of
[4:41] them voted for Pat Buchanan. Now, one
[4:44] trigger of that anger is George Bush's
[4:45] reversal on his no new taxes pledge. Of
[4:48] those who said it was an important
[4:49] factor in their vote, 58% voted for
[4:51] Buchanan in the South, only 33% for
[4:54] President Bush. The question is, can the
[4:56] president overcome that? For Pat
[4:58] Buchanan, even simpler question, break
[5:00] out of that protest vote to build build
[5:01] a bigger base. Can he do that? Stay
[5:04] tuned, gentlemen.
[5:05] >> Okay, Lyn, thanks very much. And stay
[5:06] tuned indeed because Michigan with 131
[5:09] delegates and the highest unemployment
[5:10] in the nation is one of those key
[5:12] battlegrounds for next week. In just a
[5:14] moment, we'll come back uh to talk to
[5:16] the governor of Michigan, John Angler,
[5:18] who's a Republican governor sitting
[5:20] there on your left, and Gary Corbin on
[5:22] your right, the Michigan State
[5:23] Democratic chair. They're both in
[5:24] Lancing. We'll be back in just a moment.
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[8:08] Welcome back to our coverage of campaign
[8:10] 92. Joining us this evening from
[8:11] Michigan are Governor John Angler, who's
[8:13] the Republican governor of Michigan.
[8:14] He's there on your left and Gary Corbin,
[8:16] the Michigan State Democratic chair, uh,
[8:19] who's on the right. If I could ask you
[8:20] both the sort of question about in a
[8:22] sort of non-bipartisan or in a
[8:24] bipartisan way to start. Everybody's
[8:26] talking about your state as if it's mean
[8:28] and angry and fed up with politicians.
[8:30] Governor Angler, how much will all the
[8:32] candidates have to face up there next
[8:34] week?
[8:34] >> Well, I think there's a lot that the
[8:35] candidates are going to have to face. Uh
[8:37] I'm particularly interested on the
[8:38] Democratic side. We had very powerful
[8:40] Michigan congressional leader today,
[8:41] John Dingle, come out and urge everybody
[8:43] to vote uncommitted. Wants to broker the
[8:45] convention. That's the position that
[8:47] organized labor is taking. I think on
[8:49] the Republican side, it'll be another
[8:50] win for George Bush and we're out to an
[8:52] undefeated season in the prelims.
[8:54] >> Yeah, but it's a little more than just
[8:55] an undefeated season for President Bush
[8:57] up in Michigan, isn't it? Aren't they
[8:58] angry at him, too?
[8:59] >> Oh, sure they are. Uh they're angry at
[9:01] all politicians. Uh I think that uh you
[9:03] know, we're going to have a tough
[9:05] election coming up. We've had good
[9:06] success in Michigan. The president's had
[9:08] a lot of support in Michigan in the
[9:09] past. And I think that when we get
[9:11] headtohead for November, we're going to
[9:13] do very well. But right now with Pat
[9:14] Buchanan here, his America first
[9:16] campaign as he pulls into Michigan in
[9:18] his Mercedes is going to be a little
[9:20] difficult to sell, I think.
[9:20] >> Let me go back to Pat Buchanan for a
[9:22] second and ask Mr. Corbin first. Mr.
[9:23] Corbin, how angry are Democrats and
[9:25] Republicans in Michigan about the
[9:26] general state of politics?
[9:27] >> Well, citizens are very angry and and
[9:29] for George Bush to claim victory, it's
[9:31] like being a member of the band uh on
[9:34] the Titanic playing while it's going
[9:35] down. This economy is in serious trouble
[9:38] and it's caused by an administration
[9:40] that's asleep in the state room. They
[9:42] haven't been up on deck for three and a
[9:44] half years.
[9:44] >> You noticed how long that bipartisanship
[9:46] lasted, David.
[9:46] >> Well, it didn't last very long. I did
[9:48] notice that. [laughter] And it didn't
[9:49] last very long in Michigan either. Um,
[9:52] Mr. Corbin, what what would you have
[9:54] George Bush do?
[9:56] >> Well, first of all, two plants have
[9:58] already closed in Michigan, 9,000 jobs,
[10:01] a state that has the highest
[10:02] industrialized unemployment rate in the
[10:04] nation. Uh, this administration has no
[10:07] industrial policy whatsoever. uh that he
[10:10] needs he needs a vision for this nation
[10:12] which includes working men and women.
[10:14] People here in Michigan uh believe this
[10:16] president hasn't a clue as to what
[10:18] working men and women go through on a
[10:20] day in and dayout basis. He's never
[10:21] lived to experience and they're going to
[10:23] give him a firsthand experience at
[10:25] unemployment in November.
[10:26] >> Mr. Corbin, we couldn't get a union
[10:27] leader in your entire state today to
[10:29] come on and talk to us about the labor
[10:31] vote in that state. Is the Democratic
[10:33] party in that much disay now that
[10:34] Senator Harkin has left?
[10:36] >> No. I think what'll happen is that
[10:38] candidates will have to reach out to the
[10:40] industrial Midwest and no candidate can
[10:42] claim this is their region. That's why
[10:44] they can establish themselves as
[10:46] national party candidates here in
[10:48] Michigan and and in Illinois. And in the
[10:50] next week, I think these candidates will
[10:51] be reaching out.
[10:52] >> And Governor Angler, you know very well
[10:54] that Patrick Buchanan isn't going to
[10:55] roll up in a in a in a Mercedes, even
[10:57] though he does drive one in Washington.
[10:59] And you can't wish him away that easy.
[11:00] How much of a threat do you think he is
[11:02] next week? Well, I think he's going to
[11:04] get his uh you know, his routine about a
[11:06] third. Uh uh you know, you know, it's a
[11:09] his people are saying over 40%. I think
[11:11] that's really a reach. George Bush is
[11:13] going to win Michigan. That's that's our
[11:15] goal, just to keep on the winning
[11:16] streak. And um you know, and get ready
[11:18] for November. This is nobody in America
[11:20] believes George Bush won't be the
[11:22] nominee of the Republican party. And the
[11:23] real question is what can we take out of
[11:25] this Michigan primary opportunity for
[11:27] the week? The president will be here,
[11:29] vice president will be here. That helps
[11:31] us for the fall.
[11:32] >> What will we see in Michigan next week
[11:33] that is the biggest threat to George
[11:35] Bush in November?
[11:36] >> Oh, I think that uh we've got to uh see
[11:39] how the battle lines get drawn uh on the
[11:41] economic agenda. The president's got a
[11:43] plan. He's had a plan in front of
[11:44] Congress. They won't act. You've got a
[11:46] classic showdown coming. We've seen that
[11:49] Congress uh candidates Harkin and
[11:51] [snorts] Kerry hit the deck early and
[11:53] were out. I think that uh there's very
[11:55] much a classic battle shaping up in
[11:58] Michigan uh on economic issues,
[12:00] pocketbook issues for the fall. And I
[12:02] think the Congress is going to have to
[12:04] be as attentive to passing the
[12:06] president's program and real economic uh
[12:09] agenda items as they are to say dealing
[12:11] with their banking problems and all that
[12:13] stuff that's going on.
[12:14] >> Governor, we heard today that the Bush
[12:15] strategy from here on will be to run
[12:17] against the Democratic Congress. Does
[12:20] that sound to you like the answer? I
[12:22] think it absolutely is the answer and I
[12:24] think that uh that's going to resonate
[12:25] across this country. I think there's a a
[12:27] tremendous frustration the real
[12:29] privileged class in America and they're
[12:30] now down there trying to raise a hundred
[12:32] billion in new taxes that the
[12:33] president's going to make it very clear
[12:34] he's going to veto. That's the strategy
[12:36] and that's the real issue. The Democrats
[12:38] have run the Congress. They've held the
[12:40] president's program hostage without
[12:42] having one of their own. That's going to
[12:43] be a classic debate and it'll be
[12:45] interesting to see how Clinton Songus or
[12:47] Brown who got a big local union
[12:49] endorsement today from UAW in Michigan
[12:51] uh will face that.
[12:52] >> Thank you, Governor Angler. Thank you,
[12:54] Mr. Corbin. As well, a number of
[12:55] Democrats today have made the point that
[12:56] perhaps they should campaign on the
[12:57] basis. They have a Democratic Congress
[12:59] which the people voted in. Why not go
[13:01] for a Democratic president to cooperate?
[13:03] >> I'm free to do so.
[13:05] >> Exactly. We'll be back in just a minute
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[16:10] Welcome back to our campaign coverage
[16:12] 92. We're going to talk now about
[16:14] Illinois next week. Sometimes called the
[16:15] bellweather state. Bell in the primaries
[16:17] and in the federal national election as
[16:19] well. A big delegate harvest there. 31
[16:23] delegates to be won next week in
[16:24] Illinois. Joining us briefly, our
[16:26] political director, Hal Bruno, to
[16:28] explain in nice simple language, Hal,
[16:30] why Illinois is such a bellweather
[16:32] state.
[16:33] >> It's a cross-section of the entire
[16:34] country, Peter. Uh, northern Illinois
[16:38] around Chicago is industrial and
[16:39] business. Central Illinois is Midwestern
[16:42] agriculture. Southern Illinois is like
[16:43] Dixie. It has all the racial, religious,
[16:46] and ethnic groups that make up this
[16:47] country. It's big. It's diversified. and
[16:50] only twice in this century has it failed
[16:53] to vote with the winner of a
[16:54] presidential election.
[16:55] >> Okay, Hal, thanks very much. Now, going
[16:57] to talk to us from Chicago tonight,
[16:59] James Thompson, uh the former Republican
[17:01] governor of Illinois. He's now a lawyer
[17:03] in Illinois. And Gary Lapel, who is the
[17:05] Illinois Democratic Party chairman, Mr.
[17:07] Lapel, if I may, I'd like to start with
[17:09] you and a Bill Clinton quote from Time
[17:12] magazine this week. Illinois is
[17:13] basically the ball game. If I score
[17:16] there, I've got the momentum to roll and
[17:17] the other big northern states lose
[17:19] there. And well, let's just say it won't
[17:21] be pretty. Illinois is the real test.
[17:23] Can Bill Clinton win it?
[17:24] >> I think Bill Clinton is ahead of uh the
[17:27] other candidates, Songis and Brown
[17:29] because Bill Clinton, I think, had a
[17:30] game plan about six or eight months ago
[17:33] that after Super Tuesday, he wanted to
[17:35] win Illinois. He came here, he recruited
[17:37] political leaders, business leaders,
[17:39] contributors, and has got a good base.
[17:41] However, Songus since New Hampshire has
[17:43] been building a team. Uh, and Paul Sonis
[17:46] is no longer the May Tag repair man.
[17:48] >> But am I his phone now rings?
[17:49] >> Am I correct in guessing that there's
[17:51] really no comparison between the two
[17:52] operations?
[17:54] >> No. Uh, Songus would have a lot of
[17:55] catching up to do from what base uh and
[17:58] uh and apparatus that the Clinton
[18:00] campaign has has put in.
[18:01] >> And is that the difference to win
[18:02] Illinois?
[18:03] >> It very well could be. This momentum
[18:05] coming out of the South will greatly
[18:07] assist the Clinton campaign. I think
[18:09] it'll last for several days and then
[18:11] it'll get a little more even as long as
[18:13] moves in and there are a couple of
[18:14] debates planned one Friday night and one
[18:16] Sunday evening. Uh that may uh tell it
[18:19] for both candidates as well as Jerry
[18:21] Brown. Uh they're no longer in the
[18:23] regional playoffs. We're now heading
[18:25] into the Super Bowl next Tuesday. This
[18:27] is the primary we're talking about. Now
[18:29] let's assume that Clinton wins the
[18:30] primaries and is nominated by the
[18:32] Democratic Party. cast your mind ahead a
[18:34] little bit and tell us how he will do in
[18:36] an election against George Bush.
[18:38] >> I think he'll do very well. This state
[18:40] is the uh highest state of unemployment
[18:42] of all the industrial states. We have
[18:44] over a half a million people now on
[18:46] unemployment. Uh there is no plan to get
[18:48] those people back to work and people are
[18:50] fearing that they're going to be
[18:51] unemployed in the next month or two. Uh
[18:53] George Bush in 1988 only won the state
[18:56] by 50.6% of the vote, less than 95,000
[19:00] votes. Uh Jim Edgar, who ran for
[19:02] governor here two years ago, only won
[19:04] this state by.7%.
[19:06] Uh with the uh numbers on George uh Bush
[19:10] right now, uh I will definitely predict
[19:12] that uh Bill Clinton, Paul Sonis, or
[19:15] Jerry Brown can handily beat him in
[19:17] Illinois.
[19:18] >> Governor Thompson, do you agree with any
[19:19] of that?
[19:20] >> No, I don't agree with any of that.
[19:22] >> Didn't think he would, did he?
[19:23] >> I didn't think so, but he wanted to hear
[19:24] you say it. Go ahead. What do you think
[19:26] about it? We're talking about the
[19:27] election now in
[19:29] >> the bottom line election in November,
[19:30] right? I think it'll be a close contest
[19:31] in Illinois. It always is. Illinois, as
[19:34] you said in the opening, is the
[19:35] bellweather state. Uh the last time that
[19:38] we voted on the losing side was in 1976
[19:41] with Jerry Ford uh and Jimmy Carter. And
[19:44] I think that was because my margin for
[19:46] governor was so strong, it kind of
[19:48] pulled Jerry Ford in. Usually, we vote
[19:50] with the uh with the winner. I think a
[19:53] Bush Clinton race, which I believe it
[19:55] will be in November, will be a close
[19:57] one, but I think George Bush can win it
[19:58] as he did last time.
[19:59] >> On next week, Mr. Thompson, do you think
[20:01] it is a Bush Buchanan race or is it a
[20:03] Bush race Buchanan protest?
[20:06] >> I think it's uh what it's always been in
[20:08] this primary season. That is a Bush
[20:10] race, a Buchanan protest. And the
[20:12] encouraging thing about tonight as I
[20:14] watched the program was that the
[20:16] president's lead over Buchanan has been
[20:18] growing this week as opposed to last
[20:20] week. And I think we're on the way to
[20:22] demonstrating that Buchanan uh never
[20:24] could win, cannot win, and uh it is
[20:27] largely a protest vote, which I think
[20:29] the president and the campaign will have
[20:30] to overcome during the course of this uh
[20:32] spring and summer.
[20:33] >> But if you are as you say you are, and
[20:36] you are a bellweather state, what does a
[20:38] candidate have to say there and believe
[20:40] there to win in November?
[20:42] >> I think three things have to occur for
[20:43] President Bush to repeat his victory not
[20:46] only in Illinois but across the nation.
[20:48] First, a little bit of luck. the economy
[20:50] has to turn around and more importantly
[20:52] the voters have to perceive that the
[20:55] economy has turned around and those are
[20:56] two quite different things. Secondly,
[20:58] the president has to strongly confront
[21:01] the do nothing Congress after March 20th
[21:04] and I think he has to give him hell as
[21:05] Harry Truman once did very successfully
[21:08] and at the same time keep up with the
[21:10] plan of his own. Thirdly, I think the
[21:12] president has to make clear over the
[21:14] course of this year what a second
[21:16] four-year term for George Bush will mean
[21:18] for America because Bill Clinton will
[21:20] have a plan for America. George Bush
[21:22] must have one, too. And it's ultimately
[21:24] the clash of those two ideas for America
[21:27] for the next four years that's going to
[21:29] decide the race in the fall. I can
[21:31] remember when people were very mad at
[21:32] Ronald Reagan during the recession of
[21:34] 1982, which incidentally was a worse
[21:36] recession than this one. And uh a year
[21:39] later, a majority said they did not want
[21:41] him to run again for reelection. And a
[21:43] year later, he won 49 states to one.
[21:46] >> Jim Thompson, Gary Lel, thank you both
[21:48] very much. It's interesting what he says
[21:49] about the recession and the perception
[21:51] of recession. The earlier recession was
[21:53] much worse than this one, but people
[21:55] perceive in all the polls that this one
[21:57] is deeper and that they are more
[21:58] troubled by it. It's different. It's a
[22:00] different kind of people being laid off
[22:02] now. Computer programmers, people like
[22:04] that. They're not blue collar factory
[22:06] workers. Not all of them. That didn't
[22:09] happen last time.
[22:11] >> We'll be back. Sorry, David. No, please
[22:14] go ahead.
[22:14] >> No, go ahead.
[22:16] >> We'll be back in just a moment to talk
[22:18] to David again and our other colleagues
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[24:42] >> We haven't got an awful lot of time
[24:44] left. And not to be too self- serving
[24:45] about it, we want to spend the remaining
[24:47] few minutes listening to two of our
[24:48] favorite brightest people. Koki Roberts,
[24:51] who's been with the Clinton campaign in
[24:52] Chicago tonight, and Jeff Greenfield,
[24:54] who's in our Washington bureau. I said a
[24:56] moment ago that Koki could talk about
[24:58] anything she wanted. She said good. So
[24:59] go ahead.
[25:00] >> What do you think that's going to
[25:01] produce? Let's see. Koke.
[25:03] >> Well, I think that in looking ahead to
[25:05] Illinois and Michigan, which we've said
[25:07] already are the key tests now that
[25:09] Clinton is, as you've heard, very well
[25:12] positioned. But there are a couple of
[25:13] very important uh caveats there. One is
[25:16] that you have seen a very angry vote in
[25:20] these primaries. The percentage of
[25:22] people in both parties who said they
[25:24] were either dissatisfied or angry with
[25:26] the federal government varied somewhere
[25:28] between 75 and 85% of them. And keep in
[25:32] mind that in Michigan, George Wallace
[25:34] did very well when he ran. So you could
[25:37] have a big angry vote there. That could
[25:38] help Jerry Brown, for instance. And here
[25:41] in Illinois, uh, if the black turnout is
[25:44] as low as our polling unit tells me it
[25:46] was in the south, uh, today, then, uh,
[25:49] that means that the white Catholic vote,
[25:52] the percentage of that goes up. That
[25:54] sounds like it should be good for Paul
[25:56] Sanis because he's done better with that
[25:58] vote. So, even though we've been
[26:00] painting a very nice picture for Bill
[26:02] Clinton in these two states coming up
[26:05] next week, I think there's still a race
[26:07] here and uh and there's a lot of money
[26:09] being spent on advertising in both
[26:11] Detroit and Chicago. All those hard
[26:14] economic times you've been hearing about
[26:16] could be improved by these candidates
[26:18] over the next week.
[26:19] >> Ki, at one point today, you and I talked
[26:20] about how it was going to cut for women
[26:22] on both the Democrat and the Republican
[26:23] side. What did you find in the exit
[26:24] polls that impressed you? Well, what was
[26:27] very interesting and what's been
[26:28] interesting in the Republican primary
[26:31] since New Hampshire is how low the
[26:33] female turnout has been. Normally in
[26:36] exits, we see more women voting than men
[26:38] because there are more women than men.
[26:40] Sorry, boys. But the uh we're not
[26:43] >> Well, good. But, uh, in the Republican
[26:46] primaries, you've been seeing very few
[26:48] women turn out, and perhaps that's their
[26:50] protest. While the men are voting for
[26:53] Buchanan as a protest, the women are
[26:55] staying home.
[26:55] >> Okay, Koki, thanks. Let's go to
[26:56] Washington now and ABC's Jeff Green.
[26:58] It's almost a little riskier to say to
[26:59] Jeff, "Say what's on your mind, but go
[27:01] ahead. We dare you."
[27:03] >> Okay, first I want make you a
[27:05] prediction, even though I hate them. In
[27:06] Michigan, you're you're going to see the
[27:08] Buchanan campaign, among other things,
[27:10] wall up the Bush campaign for employing
[27:12] at the top levels people who've also
[27:14] lobbyed for the Japanese. With the
[27:16] economy the way it is in Michigan, I can
[27:18] see Buchanan trying to put push that
[27:20] button very hard. Second thing, even
[27:22] though Clinton did very well tonight in
[27:24] the South, I'm looking back for a
[27:25] minute. Remember, in recent primaries in
[27:27] the South that the disaffected Democrats
[27:29] simply haven't voted. They've waited
[27:30] till November. They've come back and
[27:32] they voted Republican. And even though
[27:34] Bill Clinton did very well, that was a
[27:36] relatively small uh group of Democrats
[27:39] and we we won't know for months if he is
[27:41] the nominee whether he's actually going
[27:43] to get the South when it counts. I just
[27:45] want to put that on the table because
[27:46] we're all talking about what a great
[27:47] night Bill Clinton had.
[27:48] >> You got another 45 seconds.
[27:50] >> Okay. Um, one one more thing. In
[27:52] Illinois in 1984, Gary Hart surged out
[27:55] of Super Tuesday, had a huge lead, and
[27:57] Montdale turned it around by attacking
[27:59] Hart very hard on experience and
[28:00] judgment in 5 days. Look for a very
[28:03] tough anti-Clinton message from Paul
[28:04] Sonis in the days ahead.
[28:06] >> So, you think that Sonis and Clinton are
[28:08] getting to get even meaner than they
[28:10] were in Florida?
[28:10] >> Tougher? Meaner? I don't know. But it's
[28:12] it's got to be tough because because
[28:14] people have to know it's now or never to
[28:15] coin a phrase.
[28:16] >> Okay. Thanks very much chef and thanks
[28:18] Koki. Last word from you David.
[28:20] >> Uh I'm been impressed by the sudden
[28:22] miraculous discovery that in this
[28:24] country we have a middle class
[28:28] >> tomorrow morning, tomorrow evening
[28:29] rather will have had a handle on the day
[28:31] after I hope. Thanks David very much.
[28:34] We'll see you at the next one. I'm Peter
[28:35] Jennings in New York. Thank you for
[28:36] joining us. Good night.