ABC News - Super Tuesday (late night) - 1992-03-10

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[0:10] The 92 vote. Tonight, [music] the Super

[0:13] Tuesday primaries.

[0:16] Reporting from ABC News election

[0:18] headquarters, David Brinkley [music] and

[0:20] Peter Jennings. Good evening and welcome

[0:23] back to our coverage of campaign 92. We

[0:25] spent an hour in prime time talking

[0:26] about Super Tuesday. And we're now going

[0:28] to uh try something a little different.

[0:30] We're going to push it out a bit now and

[0:31] spend this next half hour or a couple

[0:33] minutes longer talking about the two

[0:35] next big tests which are Illinois and

[0:37] Michigan. What's your impressions of

[0:39] Super Tuesday? First of all, pretty good

[0:40] night for Clinton, pretty good night for

[0:41] Bush.

[0:42] >> Very good night for Clinton and another

[0:44] good night for Bush. Bush has won every

[0:45] primary so far while everyone talks

[0:47] about what bad trouble he's in. So,

[0:49] we'll see how that works out. But is

[0:51] Michigan the next two states will really

[0:53] decide. Okay, we're going to talk to

[0:55] people in those states. We're going to

[0:56] talk to our own reporters in those

[0:58] states tonight about how they go.

[0:59] >> So, I hope you'll stay with us for the

[1:01] half hour. Just in case you've been out

[1:02] for the evening or something, let's have

[1:03] a look quickly at the way things went on

[1:06] Super Tuesday. First, for the Democrats,

[1:08] here are the way the states lined up for

[1:10] the Democrats tonight. Governor Clinton

[1:12] won seven states. You can see them

[1:14] there. Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana,

[1:16] Mississippi, Tennessee, and Florida.

[1:18] Florida was going to be the big contest

[1:20] between he and former Senator Sonis. Uh,

[1:23] Governor Clinton did even better in

[1:25] Florida than people imagined. Uh, former

[1:27] Senator Sus won three states, one caucus

[1:30] in Delaware and two primary states,

[1:32] Massachusetts and Rhode Island. And

[1:34] these are the number of delegates they

[1:36] won tonight. Remember, Super Tuesday is

[1:38] the richest harvest of delegates so far

[1:40] in the presidential campaign. 508 for

[1:42] Clinton tonight, 195 for Sunis,

[1:46] 17 for Jerry Brown, who came in a very

[1:49] competitive second uh with Governor

[1:51] Clinton in both Rhode Island and in

[1:53] Massachusetts. Here's what it looks like

[1:55] for the Republicans tonight. Uh

[1:57] President Bush across the board in terms

[1:59] of victory. He won all eight states

[2:01] tonight. Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana,

[2:03] Tennessee, Mississippi, Florida, Rhode

[2:04] Island, Massachusetts, the same as it

[2:06] was on the primary states for the

[2:08] Democrats. And Pat Buchanan uh did not

[2:11] win any state. It was not expected that

[2:14] he would. But to give you some sense of

[2:16] how Buchanan's campaign is doing as it

[2:18] goes along, here's a look at the popular

[2:20] vote on the Republican side. George Bush

[2:23] overall tonight in all of those states,

[2:25] getting about 69% of the vote. Pat

[2:27] Buchanan 27% under 30, which means a

[2:31] little bit fact quite a bit behind where

[2:33] he was in New Hampshire. And there's an

[2:35] interesting story at the bottom of that

[2:37] list. David Duke virtually disappears

[2:40] everywhere except in the state of

[2:41] Mississippi. Pat Buchanan in his

[2:44] sister's words, David early on said

[2:46] they've done something tonight which

[2:47] President Bush hasn't been able to do

[2:48] all year and that's put away David Duke.

[2:51] >> It appears they have he got one state in

[2:54] Mississippi which is only reasonably

[2:57] reasonable state. He got 12%. That's the

[2:59] best he's done. It's not very good. In

[3:02] order to uh get us rolling along

[3:04] Illinois and Michigan, let's go to Lynn

[3:05] Sher, who's been studying all of the

[3:07] exit polls today. In the half hour we've

[3:09] had during your local news, we've asked

[3:11] Lynn to take a look at some of the

[3:13] detail we got from the from the exit

[3:16] polls on Super Tuesday, which may be a

[3:18] hint to either problems or challenges

[3:21] for the Democrats and the Republicans in

[3:23] Illinois and Michigan. Okay, Lynn.

[3:25] >> Well, Peter, the two leading Democrats

[3:26] have a very clear assignment next week.

[3:28] translate their solid regional victories

[3:31] into votes in a part of the country that

[3:32] neither can claim as a home base. Now,

[3:35] Bill Clinton won a huge majority of

[3:37] southern blacks tonight. Can he do the

[3:39] same with blacks in Illinois and

[3:40] Michigan? Another challenge, the labor

[3:43] vote. In the south, Governor Clinton won

[3:45] union members big. 69% or rather 68%

[3:49] compared to 18% for Sonis, 7% for Gerald

[3:53] Jerry Brown. Will that support travel to

[3:56] the industrial Midwest? As for his

[3:58] opponent, Paul Sonis lost Florida today.

[4:01] But he did well among the white Catholic

[4:03] vote in Florida, splitting that vote

[4:05] with Clinton. And since white Catholics

[4:07] make up a large portion of the vote in

[4:09] next Tuesday's primaries, this is a

[4:11] critical group. Jerry Brown has an even

[4:14] bigger problem. He's got to build upon

[4:16] his support among those disaffected

[4:18] voters, uh, the ones who care about the

[4:19] environment and the homeless, so that he

[4:22] can place better than second in a large

[4:23] state. The issue for the Republican

[4:26] candidates is even clearer. How to deal

[4:28] with the growing anger among voters.

[4:30] According to our exit polls, seven out

[4:32] of 10 Republican voters are dissatisfied

[4:34] with the way the federal government is

[4:36] working. And a quarter of the

[4:38] Republicans said they're not just

[4:39] dissatisfied, they're angry. Most of

[4:41] them voted for Pat Buchanan. Now, one

[4:44] trigger of that anger is George Bush's

[4:45] reversal on his no new taxes pledge. Of

[4:48] those who said it was an important

[4:49] factor in their vote, 58% voted for

[4:51] Buchanan in the South, only 33% for

[4:54] President Bush. The question is, can the

[4:56] president overcome that? For Pat

[4:58] Buchanan, even simpler question, break

[5:00] out of that protest vote to build build

[5:01] a bigger base. Can he do that? Stay

[5:04] tuned, gentlemen.

[5:05] >> Okay, Lyn, thanks very much. And stay

[5:06] tuned indeed because Michigan with 131

[5:09] delegates and the highest unemployment

[5:10] in the nation is one of those key

[5:12] battlegrounds for next week. In just a

[5:14] moment, we'll come back uh to talk to

[5:16] the governor of Michigan, John Angler,

[5:18] who's a Republican governor sitting

[5:20] there on your left, and Gary Corbin on

[5:22] your right, the Michigan State

[5:23] Democratic chair. They're both in

[5:24] Lancing. We'll be back in just a moment.

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[8:08] Welcome back to our coverage of campaign

[8:10] 92. Joining us this evening from

[8:11] Michigan are Governor John Angler, who's

[8:13] the Republican governor of Michigan.

[8:14] He's there on your left and Gary Corbin,

[8:16] the Michigan State Democratic chair, uh,

[8:19] who's on the right. If I could ask you

[8:20] both the sort of question about in a

[8:22] sort of non-bipartisan or in a

[8:24] bipartisan way to start. Everybody's

[8:26] talking about your state as if it's mean

[8:28] and angry and fed up with politicians.

[8:30] Governor Angler, how much will all the

[8:32] candidates have to face up there next

[8:34] week?

[8:34] >> Well, I think there's a lot that the

[8:35] candidates are going to have to face. Uh

[8:37] I'm particularly interested on the

[8:38] Democratic side. We had very powerful

[8:40] Michigan congressional leader today,

[8:41] John Dingle, come out and urge everybody

[8:43] to vote uncommitted. Wants to broker the

[8:45] convention. That's the position that

[8:47] organized labor is taking. I think on

[8:49] the Republican side, it'll be another

[8:50] win for George Bush and we're out to an

[8:52] undefeated season in the prelims.

[8:54] >> Yeah, but it's a little more than just

[8:55] an undefeated season for President Bush

[8:57] up in Michigan, isn't it? Aren't they

[8:58] angry at him, too?

[8:59] >> Oh, sure they are. Uh they're angry at

[9:01] all politicians. Uh I think that uh you

[9:03] know, we're going to have a tough

[9:05] election coming up. We've had good

[9:06] success in Michigan. The president's had

[9:08] a lot of support in Michigan in the

[9:09] past. And I think that when we get

[9:11] headtohead for November, we're going to

[9:13] do very well. But right now with Pat

[9:14] Buchanan here, his America first

[9:16] campaign as he pulls into Michigan in

[9:18] his Mercedes is going to be a little

[9:20] difficult to sell, I think.

[9:20] >> Let me go back to Pat Buchanan for a

[9:22] second and ask Mr. Corbin first. Mr.

[9:23] Corbin, how angry are Democrats and

[9:25] Republicans in Michigan about the

[9:26] general state of politics?

[9:27] >> Well, citizens are very angry and and

[9:29] for George Bush to claim victory, it's

[9:31] like being a member of the band uh on

[9:34] the Titanic playing while it's going

[9:35] down. This economy is in serious trouble

[9:38] and it's caused by an administration

[9:40] that's asleep in the state room. They

[9:42] haven't been up on deck for three and a

[9:44] half years.

[9:44] >> You noticed how long that bipartisanship

[9:46] lasted, David.

[9:46] >> Well, it didn't last very long. I did

[9:48] notice that. [laughter] And it didn't

[9:49] last very long in Michigan either. Um,

[9:52] Mr. Corbin, what what would you have

[9:54] George Bush do?

[9:56] >> Well, first of all, two plants have

[9:58] already closed in Michigan, 9,000 jobs,

[10:01] a state that has the highest

[10:02] industrialized unemployment rate in the

[10:04] nation. Uh, this administration has no

[10:07] industrial policy whatsoever. uh that he

[10:10] needs he needs a vision for this nation

[10:12] which includes working men and women.

[10:14] People here in Michigan uh believe this

[10:16] president hasn't a clue as to what

[10:18] working men and women go through on a

[10:20] day in and dayout basis. He's never

[10:21] lived to experience and they're going to

[10:23] give him a firsthand experience at

[10:25] unemployment in November.

[10:26] >> Mr. Corbin, we couldn't get a union

[10:27] leader in your entire state today to

[10:29] come on and talk to us about the labor

[10:31] vote in that state. Is the Democratic

[10:33] party in that much disay now that

[10:34] Senator Harkin has left?

[10:36] >> No. I think what'll happen is that

[10:38] candidates will have to reach out to the

[10:40] industrial Midwest and no candidate can

[10:42] claim this is their region. That's why

[10:44] they can establish themselves as

[10:46] national party candidates here in

[10:48] Michigan and and in Illinois. And in the

[10:50] next week, I think these candidates will

[10:51] be reaching out.

[10:52] >> And Governor Angler, you know very well

[10:54] that Patrick Buchanan isn't going to

[10:55] roll up in a in a in a Mercedes, even

[10:57] though he does drive one in Washington.

[10:59] And you can't wish him away that easy.

[11:00] How much of a threat do you think he is

[11:02] next week? Well, I think he's going to

[11:04] get his uh you know, his routine about a

[11:06] third. Uh uh you know, you know, it's a

[11:09] his people are saying over 40%. I think

[11:11] that's really a reach. George Bush is

[11:13] going to win Michigan. That's that's our

[11:15] goal, just to keep on the winning

[11:16] streak. And um you know, and get ready

[11:18] for November. This is nobody in America

[11:20] believes George Bush won't be the

[11:22] nominee of the Republican party. And the

[11:23] real question is what can we take out of

[11:25] this Michigan primary opportunity for

[11:27] the week? The president will be here,

[11:29] vice president will be here. That helps

[11:31] us for the fall.

[11:32] >> What will we see in Michigan next week

[11:33] that is the biggest threat to George

[11:35] Bush in November?

[11:36] >> Oh, I think that uh we've got to uh see

[11:39] how the battle lines get drawn uh on the

[11:41] economic agenda. The president's got a

[11:43] plan. He's had a plan in front of

[11:44] Congress. They won't act. You've got a

[11:46] classic showdown coming. We've seen that

[11:49] Congress uh candidates Harkin and

[11:51] [snorts] Kerry hit the deck early and

[11:53] were out. I think that uh there's very

[11:55] much a classic battle shaping up in

[11:58] Michigan uh on economic issues,

[12:00] pocketbook issues for the fall. And I

[12:02] think the Congress is going to have to

[12:04] be as attentive to passing the

[12:06] president's program and real economic uh

[12:09] agenda items as they are to say dealing

[12:11] with their banking problems and all that

[12:13] stuff that's going on.

[12:14] >> Governor, we heard today that the Bush

[12:15] strategy from here on will be to run

[12:17] against the Democratic Congress. Does

[12:20] that sound to you like the answer? I

[12:22] think it absolutely is the answer and I

[12:24] think that uh that's going to resonate

[12:25] across this country. I think there's a a

[12:27] tremendous frustration the real

[12:29] privileged class in America and they're

[12:30] now down there trying to raise a hundred

[12:32] billion in new taxes that the

[12:33] president's going to make it very clear

[12:34] he's going to veto. That's the strategy

[12:36] and that's the real issue. The Democrats

[12:38] have run the Congress. They've held the

[12:40] president's program hostage without

[12:42] having one of their own. That's going to

[12:43] be a classic debate and it'll be

[12:45] interesting to see how Clinton Songus or

[12:47] Brown who got a big local union

[12:49] endorsement today from UAW in Michigan

[12:51] uh will face that.

[12:52] >> Thank you, Governor Angler. Thank you,

[12:54] Mr. Corbin. As well, a number of

[12:55] Democrats today have made the point that

[12:56] perhaps they should campaign on the

[12:57] basis. They have a Democratic Congress

[12:59] which the people voted in. Why not go

[13:01] for a Democratic president to cooperate?

[13:03] >> I'm free to do so.

[13:05] >> Exactly. We'll be back in just a minute

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[16:10] Welcome back to our campaign coverage

[16:12] 92. We're going to talk now about

[16:14] Illinois next week. Sometimes called the

[16:15] bellweather state. Bell in the primaries

[16:17] and in the federal national election as

[16:19] well. A big delegate harvest there. 31

[16:23] delegates to be won next week in

[16:24] Illinois. Joining us briefly, our

[16:26] political director, Hal Bruno, to

[16:28] explain in nice simple language, Hal,

[16:30] why Illinois is such a bellweather

[16:32] state.

[16:33] >> It's a cross-section of the entire

[16:34] country, Peter. Uh, northern Illinois

[16:38] around Chicago is industrial and

[16:39] business. Central Illinois is Midwestern

[16:42] agriculture. Southern Illinois is like

[16:43] Dixie. It has all the racial, religious,

[16:46] and ethnic groups that make up this

[16:47] country. It's big. It's diversified. and

[16:50] only twice in this century has it failed

[16:53] to vote with the winner of a

[16:54] presidential election.

[16:55] >> Okay, Hal, thanks very much. Now, going

[16:57] to talk to us from Chicago tonight,

[16:59] James Thompson, uh the former Republican

[17:01] governor of Illinois. He's now a lawyer

[17:03] in Illinois. And Gary Lapel, who is the

[17:05] Illinois Democratic Party chairman, Mr.

[17:07] Lapel, if I may, I'd like to start with

[17:09] you and a Bill Clinton quote from Time

[17:12] magazine this week. Illinois is

[17:13] basically the ball game. If I score

[17:16] there, I've got the momentum to roll and

[17:17] the other big northern states lose

[17:19] there. And well, let's just say it won't

[17:21] be pretty. Illinois is the real test.

[17:23] Can Bill Clinton win it?

[17:24] >> I think Bill Clinton is ahead of uh the

[17:27] other candidates, Songis and Brown

[17:29] because Bill Clinton, I think, had a

[17:30] game plan about six or eight months ago

[17:33] that after Super Tuesday, he wanted to

[17:35] win Illinois. He came here, he recruited

[17:37] political leaders, business leaders,

[17:39] contributors, and has got a good base.

[17:41] However, Songus since New Hampshire has

[17:43] been building a team. Uh, and Paul Sonis

[17:46] is no longer the May Tag repair man.

[17:48] >> But am I his phone now rings?

[17:49] >> Am I correct in guessing that there's

[17:51] really no comparison between the two

[17:52] operations?

[17:54] >> No. Uh, Songus would have a lot of

[17:55] catching up to do from what base uh and

[17:58] uh and apparatus that the Clinton

[18:00] campaign has has put in.

[18:01] >> And is that the difference to win

[18:02] Illinois?

[18:03] >> It very well could be. This momentum

[18:05] coming out of the South will greatly

[18:07] assist the Clinton campaign. I think

[18:09] it'll last for several days and then

[18:11] it'll get a little more even as long as

[18:13] moves in and there are a couple of

[18:14] debates planned one Friday night and one

[18:16] Sunday evening. Uh that may uh tell it

[18:19] for both candidates as well as Jerry

[18:21] Brown. Uh they're no longer in the

[18:23] regional playoffs. We're now heading

[18:25] into the Super Bowl next Tuesday. This

[18:27] is the primary we're talking about. Now

[18:29] let's assume that Clinton wins the

[18:30] primaries and is nominated by the

[18:32] Democratic Party. cast your mind ahead a

[18:34] little bit and tell us how he will do in

[18:36] an election against George Bush.

[18:38] >> I think he'll do very well. This state

[18:40] is the uh highest state of unemployment

[18:42] of all the industrial states. We have

[18:44] over a half a million people now on

[18:46] unemployment. Uh there is no plan to get

[18:48] those people back to work and people are

[18:50] fearing that they're going to be

[18:51] unemployed in the next month or two. Uh

[18:53] George Bush in 1988 only won the state

[18:56] by 50.6% of the vote, less than 95,000

[19:00] votes. Uh Jim Edgar, who ran for

[19:02] governor here two years ago, only won

[19:04] this state by.7%.

[19:06] Uh with the uh numbers on George uh Bush

[19:10] right now, uh I will definitely predict

[19:12] that uh Bill Clinton, Paul Sonis, or

[19:15] Jerry Brown can handily beat him in

[19:17] Illinois.

[19:18] >> Governor Thompson, do you agree with any

[19:19] of that?

[19:20] >> No, I don't agree with any of that.

[19:22] >> Didn't think he would, did he?

[19:23] >> I didn't think so, but he wanted to hear

[19:24] you say it. Go ahead. What do you think

[19:26] about it? We're talking about the

[19:27] election now in

[19:29] >> the bottom line election in November,

[19:30] right? I think it'll be a close contest

[19:31] in Illinois. It always is. Illinois, as

[19:34] you said in the opening, is the

[19:35] bellweather state. Uh the last time that

[19:38] we voted on the losing side was in 1976

[19:41] with Jerry Ford uh and Jimmy Carter. And

[19:44] I think that was because my margin for

[19:46] governor was so strong, it kind of

[19:48] pulled Jerry Ford in. Usually, we vote

[19:50] with the uh with the winner. I think a

[19:53] Bush Clinton race, which I believe it

[19:55] will be in November, will be a close

[19:57] one, but I think George Bush can win it

[19:58] as he did last time.

[19:59] >> On next week, Mr. Thompson, do you think

[20:01] it is a Bush Buchanan race or is it a

[20:03] Bush race Buchanan protest?

[20:06] >> I think it's uh what it's always been in

[20:08] this primary season. That is a Bush

[20:10] race, a Buchanan protest. And the

[20:12] encouraging thing about tonight as I

[20:14] watched the program was that the

[20:16] president's lead over Buchanan has been

[20:18] growing this week as opposed to last

[20:20] week. And I think we're on the way to

[20:22] demonstrating that Buchanan uh never

[20:24] could win, cannot win, and uh it is

[20:27] largely a protest vote, which I think

[20:29] the president and the campaign will have

[20:30] to overcome during the course of this uh

[20:32] spring and summer.

[20:33] >> But if you are as you say you are, and

[20:36] you are a bellweather state, what does a

[20:38] candidate have to say there and believe

[20:40] there to win in November?

[20:42] >> I think three things have to occur for

[20:43] President Bush to repeat his victory not

[20:46] only in Illinois but across the nation.

[20:48] First, a little bit of luck. the economy

[20:50] has to turn around and more importantly

[20:52] the voters have to perceive that the

[20:55] economy has turned around and those are

[20:56] two quite different things. Secondly,

[20:58] the president has to strongly confront

[21:01] the do nothing Congress after March 20th

[21:04] and I think he has to give him hell as

[21:05] Harry Truman once did very successfully

[21:08] and at the same time keep up with the

[21:10] plan of his own. Thirdly, I think the

[21:12] president has to make clear over the

[21:14] course of this year what a second

[21:16] four-year term for George Bush will mean

[21:18] for America because Bill Clinton will

[21:20] have a plan for America. George Bush

[21:22] must have one, too. And it's ultimately

[21:24] the clash of those two ideas for America

[21:27] for the next four years that's going to

[21:29] decide the race in the fall. I can

[21:31] remember when people were very mad at

[21:32] Ronald Reagan during the recession of

[21:34] 1982, which incidentally was a worse

[21:36] recession than this one. And uh a year

[21:39] later, a majority said they did not want

[21:41] him to run again for reelection. And a

[21:43] year later, he won 49 states to one.

[21:46] >> Jim Thompson, Gary Lel, thank you both

[21:48] very much. It's interesting what he says

[21:49] about the recession and the perception

[21:51] of recession. The earlier recession was

[21:53] much worse than this one, but people

[21:55] perceive in all the polls that this one

[21:57] is deeper and that they are more

[21:58] troubled by it. It's different. It's a

[22:00] different kind of people being laid off

[22:02] now. Computer programmers, people like

[22:04] that. They're not blue collar factory

[22:06] workers. Not all of them. That didn't

[22:09] happen last time.

[22:11] >> We'll be back. Sorry, David. No, please

[22:14] go ahead.

[22:14] >> No, go ahead.

[22:16] >> We'll be back in just a moment to talk

[22:18] to David again and our other colleagues

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[24:42] >> We haven't got an awful lot of time

[24:44] left. And not to be too self- serving

[24:45] about it, we want to spend the remaining

[24:47] few minutes listening to two of our

[24:48] favorite brightest people. Koki Roberts,

[24:51] who's been with the Clinton campaign in

[24:52] Chicago tonight, and Jeff Greenfield,

[24:54] who's in our Washington bureau. I said a

[24:56] moment ago that Koki could talk about

[24:58] anything she wanted. She said good. So

[24:59] go ahead.

[25:00] >> What do you think that's going to

[25:01] produce? Let's see. Koke.

[25:03] >> Well, I think that in looking ahead to

[25:05] Illinois and Michigan, which we've said

[25:07] already are the key tests now that

[25:09] Clinton is, as you've heard, very well

[25:12] positioned. But there are a couple of

[25:13] very important uh caveats there. One is

[25:16] that you have seen a very angry vote in

[25:20] these primaries. The percentage of

[25:22] people in both parties who said they

[25:24] were either dissatisfied or angry with

[25:26] the federal government varied somewhere

[25:28] between 75 and 85% of them. And keep in

[25:32] mind that in Michigan, George Wallace

[25:34] did very well when he ran. So you could

[25:37] have a big angry vote there. That could

[25:38] help Jerry Brown, for instance. And here

[25:41] in Illinois, uh, if the black turnout is

[25:44] as low as our polling unit tells me it

[25:46] was in the south, uh, today, then, uh,

[25:49] that means that the white Catholic vote,

[25:52] the percentage of that goes up. That

[25:54] sounds like it should be good for Paul

[25:56] Sanis because he's done better with that

[25:58] vote. So, even though we've been

[26:00] painting a very nice picture for Bill

[26:02] Clinton in these two states coming up

[26:05] next week, I think there's still a race

[26:07] here and uh and there's a lot of money

[26:09] being spent on advertising in both

[26:11] Detroit and Chicago. All those hard

[26:14] economic times you've been hearing about

[26:16] could be improved by these candidates

[26:18] over the next week.

[26:19] >> Ki, at one point today, you and I talked

[26:20] about how it was going to cut for women

[26:22] on both the Democrat and the Republican

[26:23] side. What did you find in the exit

[26:24] polls that impressed you? Well, what was

[26:27] very interesting and what's been

[26:28] interesting in the Republican primary

[26:31] since New Hampshire is how low the

[26:33] female turnout has been. Normally in

[26:36] exits, we see more women voting than men

[26:38] because there are more women than men.

[26:40] Sorry, boys. But the uh we're not

[26:43] >> Well, good. But, uh, in the Republican

[26:46] primaries, you've been seeing very few

[26:48] women turn out, and perhaps that's their

[26:50] protest. While the men are voting for

[26:53] Buchanan as a protest, the women are

[26:55] staying home.

[26:55] >> Okay, Koki, thanks. Let's go to

[26:56] Washington now and ABC's Jeff Green.

[26:58] It's almost a little riskier to say to

[26:59] Jeff, "Say what's on your mind, but go

[27:01] ahead. We dare you."

[27:03] >> Okay, first I want make you a

[27:05] prediction, even though I hate them. In

[27:06] Michigan, you're you're going to see the

[27:08] Buchanan campaign, among other things,

[27:10] wall up the Bush campaign for employing

[27:12] at the top levels people who've also

[27:14] lobbyed for the Japanese. With the

[27:16] economy the way it is in Michigan, I can

[27:18] see Buchanan trying to put push that

[27:20] button very hard. Second thing, even

[27:22] though Clinton did very well tonight in

[27:24] the South, I'm looking back for a

[27:25] minute. Remember, in recent primaries in

[27:27] the South that the disaffected Democrats

[27:29] simply haven't voted. They've waited

[27:30] till November. They've come back and

[27:32] they voted Republican. And even though

[27:34] Bill Clinton did very well, that was a

[27:36] relatively small uh group of Democrats

[27:39] and we we won't know for months if he is

[27:41] the nominee whether he's actually going

[27:43] to get the South when it counts. I just

[27:45] want to put that on the table because

[27:46] we're all talking about what a great

[27:47] night Bill Clinton had.

[27:48] >> You got another 45 seconds.

[27:50] >> Okay. Um, one one more thing. In

[27:52] Illinois in 1984, Gary Hart surged out

[27:55] of Super Tuesday, had a huge lead, and

[27:57] Montdale turned it around by attacking

[27:59] Hart very hard on experience and

[28:00] judgment in 5 days. Look for a very

[28:03] tough anti-Clinton message from Paul

[28:04] Sonis in the days ahead.

[28:06] >> So, you think that Sonis and Clinton are

[28:08] getting to get even meaner than they

[28:10] were in Florida?

[28:10] >> Tougher? Meaner? I don't know. But it's

[28:12] it's got to be tough because because

[28:14] people have to know it's now or never to

[28:15] coin a phrase.

[28:16] >> Okay. Thanks very much chef and thanks

[28:18] Koki. Last word from you David.

[28:20] >> Uh I'm been impressed by the sudden

[28:22] miraculous discovery that in this

[28:24] country we have a middle class

[28:28] >> tomorrow morning, tomorrow evening

[28:29] rather will have had a handle on the day

[28:31] after I hope. Thanks David very much.

[28:34] We'll see you at the next one. I'm Peter

[28:35] Jennings in New York. Thank you for

[28:36] joining us. Good night.