CNN - Situation Room and Lou Dobbs Tonight - 2006-11-08
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[0:32] now. A post-election bombshell. Defense
[0:35] Secretary Donald Rumsfeld steps down
[0:37] after voters register their anger about
[0:39] the Iraq war. President Bush says the
[0:42] time is right for new leadership at the
[0:44] Pentagon. We're going to tell you who
[0:46] he's tapped to take the helm and what
[0:47] this all means for the war and for
[0:50] Washington. Plus, the woman poised to be
[0:52] the next speaker of the House of
[0:54] Representatives. Nancy Pelosi tells us
[0:57] about her plans for the new Democratic
[0:59] run house. Does she feel vic vindicated
[1:02] by Rumsfeld's resignation? I spoke with
[1:05] her earlier today and the final battles
[1:07] for control of the Senate in Virginia
[1:09] and Montana. One we say has now been
[1:13] settled, the other still undecided. The
[1:15] 2006 election isn't entirely over yet.
[1:19] I'm Wolf Blitzer on Capitol Hill and
[1:21] you're in the situation room.
[1:39] Up first, uh we begin with politics.
[1:41] Important politics. A political
[1:43] earthquake here in the nation's capital.
[1:46] First came the election night bombshell
[1:48] on Capitol Hill. Today, an almost
[1:50] equally powerful aftershock. After
[1:52] months of saying Donald Rumsfeld was
[1:54] here to stay, President Bush now says
[1:56] it's time for him to go. Today, Mr. Bush
[1:59] announced Rumsfeld's resignation as
[2:01] defense secretary. He says he'll
[2:03] nominate former CIA director Robert
[2:05] Gates to succeed him. The three men in
[2:07] the Oval Office just a short time ago.
[2:10] At a news conference earlier today, the
[2:12] president acknowledged that voters
[2:14] across the nation vented their concerns
[2:16] about the war. And he said he shares a
[2:18] large part of the responsibility for
[2:20] Republicans losing control of the House.
[2:23] Today, Mr. Bush is promising to work
[2:25] with Democrats and the woman in line to
[2:27] become the Speaker of the House, Nancy
[2:29] Pelosi. She too is talking about
[2:32] partnership after a very bitter
[2:34] election. My one-on-one interview with
[2:36] Nancy Pelosi, that's coming up. In the
[2:39] battle for the Senate, the Democrats
[2:40] appear to have picked up a seat in
[2:42] Montana. CNN now projects that Democrat
[2:45] John Tester will win the Montana Senate
[2:48] race, defeating incumbent Republican
[2:50] Conrad Burns. As it stands right now,
[2:53] CNN projects the Democrats will win 50
[2:56] Senate seats. The Republicans will win
[2:58] 49. The Virginia Senate contest still
[3:02] too close to call. It now appears
[3:04] Virginia will be the state that decides
[3:06] which party controls the United States
[3:09] Senate. The best political team on
[3:11] television standing by to bring us all
[3:14] the latest developments. Let's go to the
[3:16] White House first. Kathleen Ko with late
[3:18] breaking developments there. Kathleen.
[3:20] >> Well, a very emotional appearance um in
[3:22] the Oval Office just 30 minutes ago.
[3:24] President Bush introducing his selection
[3:27] as his next secretary of defense uh
[3:29] Robert Gates and now the uh president of
[3:32] Texas A&M and saying farewell to a man
[3:34] who he has stood by since the start of
[3:37] the Iraq war and who he earlier this
[3:39] afternoon described as a trusted adviser
[3:42] and friend. And in speaking about uh
[3:44] Robert Gates, former CIA director,
[3:46] President Bush said he's a patriot with
[3:48] a wealth of experience who would not
[3:49] only be able to well handle the wars in
[3:51] Iraq and Afghanistan, um but also lead
[3:54] the Department of Defense and reach out
[3:56] to both parties in Congress.
[4:00] >> He knows that the challenge of
[4:01] protecting our country is larger than
[4:03] any political party and he has a record
[4:06] of working with leaders on both sides of
[4:08] the aisle to strengthen our national
[4:09] security.
[4:11] He has my confidence and my trust and he
[4:14] will be an outstanding Secretary of
[4:16] Defense.
[4:18] Bob follows in the footsteps of one of
[4:20] America's most skilled and capable
[4:22] national security leaders, Donald
[4:24] Rumsfeld.
[4:26] Don is the longest serving member of my
[4:28] cabinet. And next month, he will reach
[4:30] another milestone when he becomes the
[4:32] longest serving Secretary of Defense in
[4:34] the history of our nation.
[4:37] I appreciate his willingness to continue
[4:38] serving until his successor is in place
[4:42] because in a time of war, our nation
[4:44] cannot be without a strong and steady
[4:46] hand leading our Department of Defense.
[4:49] Now, Donald Rumsfeld thanked President
[4:51] Bush for the opportunity to serve as a
[4:53] defense secretary for a second time in
[4:55] his career, saying, "It's been quite a
[4:57] time," and quoting another leader during
[4:59] a time of war, Winston Churchill.
[5:03] I have benefited greatly from criticism
[5:08] and at no time have I suffered a lack
[5:11] thereof.
[5:14] The the great respect that I have for
[5:17] your leadership, Mr. president uh in
[5:20] this little understood unfamiliar
[5:25] war the first war of the 21st century
[5:29] uh
[5:31] it is not well known it was not well
[5:34] understood it is complex for people to
[5:36] comprehend and I know with certain
[5:40] certainty that over time the
[5:43] contributions you've made will be
[5:45] recorded by history
[5:47] >> and an emotional Rumsfeld concluded um
[5:50] praising the the patriotism and the
[5:52] dedication of the young men and women in
[5:54] the US military saying that they have
[5:57] his respect and that they have been his
[5:59] constant inspiration. Wolf
[6:01] >> Kathleen Ko at the White House for us.
[6:03] Thanks very much. Here on Capitol Hill,
[6:06] the ramifications are enormous,
[6:08] especially for the woman who would be
[6:10] the next speaker of the House of
[6:11] Representatives. Dana Bash standing by
[6:13] with more on that. Dana
[6:17] >> the capital today for the first time as
[6:19] presumptive speaker of the house. She
[6:21] certainly had her talking points down.
[6:23] One of them was to keep pounding away at
[6:25] the White House for new leadership at
[6:27] the Pentagon. Well, little did she know
[6:29] she was about to get her wish.
[6:32] Democrats called their election night
[6:34] sweep a mandate for change in Iraq.
[6:37] Nowhere was the call for a new direction
[6:40] more clear from the American people uh
[6:43] than in the war in Iraq.
[6:44] >> They didn't have to wait long to see the
[6:46] spoils of their victories. Just as
[6:48] Democratic leaders sat down for a
[6:50] celebratory photo op, they got the news.
[6:53] Donald Rumsfeld was fired.
[6:54] >> I think it will give a fresh start to
[6:57] finding a solution uh to Iraq rather
[7:00] than staying the course.
[7:02] If the vote of last night
[7:06] from all over America
[7:09] didn't accomplish anything but this, it
[7:11] was a good night.
[7:12] >> But beyond the Rumsfeld bombshell,
[7:14] Democrats all but acknowledged even with
[7:17] control of the House and maybe the
[7:18] Senate, there is only so much they can
[7:21] do to change Iraq policy.
[7:23] >> The president is the president of the
[7:25] United States. I hope that he will
[7:27] listen to the voices of the people and
[7:29] that again putting aside partisanship
[7:32] and looking to a partnership uh to to
[7:34] end this war.
[7:35] >> That's part of the doublebarreled
[7:37] approach set by the presumptive House
[7:39] Speaker, a pledge for bipartisanship
[7:42] along with a firm promise to push for
[7:44] new policies. Beyond Iraq, Nancy Pelosi
[7:47] has an ambitious agenda. In the first
[7:49] 100 hours, she wants to raise the
[7:52] minimum wage to 725 an hour, enact
[7:55] recommendations from the 911 commission,
[7:57] cut interest rates for student loans,
[7:59] try to lower prescription drug prices
[8:01] under Medicare, and more. Democrats also
[8:05] promise new strict oversight of the Bush
[8:07] White House. But the woman whose new
[8:09] caucus will be made up of many
[8:11] conservative Democrats from red
[8:13] districts also tried to allay concerns
[8:16] about her liberal route. a House
[8:18] Democratic problem.
[8:19] >> Now, Republicans are also sifting
[8:21] through the wreckage of their losses. Uh
[8:23] today, the current House Speaker, Dennis
[8:26] Hastard, formerly announced that he
[8:27] would no longer be a part of the
[8:29] Republican leadership. And already angry
[8:31] members of the Republican rank and file
[8:33] are saying that Republicans simply uh
[8:36] did got what they what they deserved
[8:38] because the party had lost their way.
[8:40] And many of them are already throwing
[8:42] their hats into the ring to be a new
[8:43] crop of Republican leaders. For example,
[8:45] conservative Congressman Mike Pence
[8:47] announced formally that he would run for
[8:49] the top slot, what will be minority
[8:51] leader of the House, and he's going to
[8:53] have to run against uh John Boehner, who
[8:55] currently is the majority leader. Well,
[8:58] >> all right, Dana, thanks very much. Uh,
[9:00] and earlier today, I had a chance to sit
[9:02] down with the new speaker, the incoming
[9:03] speaker of the House of Representatives,
[9:05] Nancy Pelosi. We spoke about the
[9:07] elections, we spoke about what's going
[9:09] on in Washington, and we also spoke
[9:11] about Donald Rumsfeld's resignation.
[9:14] Let's talk about the news of the day.
[9:16] Lots of news, but we'll start with
[9:18] Donald Rumsfeld. Bombshell announcement
[9:21] only a few days ago. The president said
[9:23] he was doing a fantastic job together
[9:25] with the vice president Dick Cheney. Is
[9:28] this what you wanted Rumsfeld to step
[9:30] down?
[9:30] >> Yes. Well, there were two major
[9:32] interventions since the president's last
[9:35] uh re reaffirmation of his support for
[9:37] Secretary Rumsfeld. One was of course
[9:40] the vote and the voice of the American
[9:42] people yesterday. rejecting the uh stay
[9:45] the course policy of the president in
[9:47] Iraq and just before that the voice of
[9:50] the military in the army navy air force
[9:53] mer uh marine corps uh times uh saying
[9:56] that Rumsfeld must go to use their words
[10:00] uh the president got the message thank
[10:02] heavens and I think it's s uh signals a
[10:06] new change I hope uh for the better in
[10:09] Iraq
[10:09] >> what do you think is of his designated
[10:11] successor the former CIA director
[10:13] Robert Gates.
[10:15] >> Well, this is a matter for the Senate uh
[10:17] to deliberate on and the president has
[10:19] proposed uh they will confirm and and I
[10:23] very much look forward to the hearings
[10:25] on that nomination.
[10:26] >> But fundamentally, do you think there
[10:28] will be a real change in US policy
[10:31] toward Iraq or this is simply changing
[10:33] the cast of characters? Will the
[10:35] president, in other words, do what you
[10:37] want him to do? Well, first of all, the
[10:40] president is the commander-in-chief.
[10:41] Donald Donald Rumsfeld and whoever he
[10:45] the president appoints or is confirmed,
[10:47] Mr. Gates in this case is an employee of
[10:50] the president. So, the policy is the
[10:52] president's the imple implementation of
[10:54] the policy as Mr. Romfeld and that's why
[10:57] I think it was very important for him to
[10:59] go.
[11:00] >> If the president pursues the current
[11:02] policy as you call it, stay the course,
[11:04] which he no longer uses that phrase. One
[11:07] option would be in the House of
[11:09] Representatives the power of the purse
[11:11] to cut funding for the war in Iraq. Is
[11:15] that on the table?
[11:16] >> Not really. We would never.
[11:17] >> Why? Why isn't it?
[11:19] >> Well, because our troops are in harm's
[11:20] way. Uh they have been set sent there.
[11:22] Whether you agree with the policy or
[11:24] not, and I certainly did not agree with
[11:27] uh the resolution to go to war. Uh we
[11:29] would not withhold our funding for the
[11:31] troops there.
[11:34] And we're going to have a lot more of
[11:35] our interview with Nancy Pelosi. That's
[11:38] coming up in the next hour right here in
[11:40] the situation room. But for now, I want
[11:42] to bring in our chief national
[11:43] correspondent, John King, and our senior
[11:45] political correspondent, Candy Crowley.
[11:47] Candy, first uh to you. uh between the
[11:50] notion uh of the Democrats taking over
[11:53] the House of Representatives and poised
[11:55] potentially to take over the majority in
[11:57] the United States Senate and now Donald
[11:59] Rumsfeld resigning as defense secretary
[12:02] on this the day after the elections.
[12:05] These are hugely dramatic developments.
[12:07] Give us some context.
[12:09] >> Well, they are and one you couldn't have
[12:11] one without the other. It was
[12:14] interesting to learn that the president
[12:15] was thinking about this and probably has
[12:17] been thinking about this for a lot
[12:18] longer than a week. Uh the context of it
[12:21] is that it became sort of unsustainable
[12:24] once the election results uh began to
[12:26] come in. It it all of the talk was about
[12:29] Mr. President, the American people have
[12:31] spoken, you have to change your policy
[12:33] in Iraq. Uh all of the House leaders,
[12:35] the Democratic House leaders that came
[12:37] out did that. It seems to me that for
[12:39] the president to sort of seize back that
[12:41] commander-in-chief role that Nancy
[12:42] Pelosi was just talking about, uh, he
[12:45] needed to do something dramatic to sort
[12:47] of quiet the crowd. Um, certainly he
[12:50] accomplished that uh, in the resignation
[12:53] of Donald Rumsfeld.
[12:55] >> And John, uh, as you look at this and,
[12:57] you know, you've covered this story for
[12:59] so long, what goes through your minds
[13:02] uh, as far as the the shakeup that we're
[13:04] witnessing right now in the nation's
[13:06] capital? Well, Wolf, the president has
[13:08] two years left in his term, and he was
[13:10] rebuked very sharply in the election
[13:11] yesterday. He has a woman coming to
[13:13] office as the new speaker of the house
[13:14] with whom he has sparred repeatedly
[13:16] using some quite personal language over
[13:18] the years. What you saw today was a
[13:19] politician who knew that he needs a new
[13:22] beginning and he has only two years
[13:23] before the end. And so he's he had to
[13:25] give them what they wanted. Both
[13:26] Democrats and Republicans wanted Donald
[13:28] Rumsfeld. Well, today today they got
[13:30] Donald Rumsfeld. And then the president
[13:31] is trying to pivot saying we can do
[13:33] business on the minimum wage. We can do
[13:35] business on immigration. we can maybe do
[13:37] business on a few other issues. Iraq
[13:38] will still be the issue because he's not
[13:41] budging. And even as Nancy Pelosi says,
[13:43] "Let's start to bring the troops home."
[13:45] John McCain came out of the box and
[13:46] said, "We need to fix Iraq. We need to
[13:48] win Iraq. We might need more troops." So
[13:50] this drama is in a new chapter, but it's
[13:52] a pretty packed exciting chapter to go.
[13:55] But the president is trying to say,
[13:56] "Let's start over. I'm going to reach
[13:57] out to the Democrats." Something the
[13:58] Democrats would say has been sorely
[14:00] missing for six years. and Candy, only
[14:02] within the past few minutes, we heard
[14:04] from the junior senator from New York,
[14:06] Hillary Rodm Clinton, who herself was
[14:08] reelected yesterday. She's weighing in
[14:10] on Rumsfeld's resignation as well.
[14:13] Listen to this.
[14:16] >> The president uh made the right decision
[14:18] today. I wish he'd made it earlier, but
[14:20] now we can have a uh a new beginning uh
[14:24] a new face at the uh Pentagon who
[14:28] doesn't carry the baggage that Secretary
[14:30] Rumsfeld carried.
[14:33] >> So So is is is the campaign for the
[14:35] White House 2008 candy already underway?
[14:38] >> Yes, it's it continues actually. Um, a
[14:42] part of what, uh, Senator Clinton needed
[14:44] to do over this past year or so is,
[14:47] first of all, show her defense and
[14:48] military creds. She needed to be both
[14:52] tough and, you know, muscular in her
[14:54] language about the use of force. On the
[14:56] other hand, um, increasingly on the left
[14:58] wing of, uh, her party for the past two
[15:01] years has come this, you know, very loud
[15:03] anti-war uh, get out now crowd. So, she
[15:06] had to balance and I think has done a
[15:08] pretty good job of balancing those two
[15:10] needs uh when you want to begin to shape
[15:13] your resume. Uh she in fact called for
[15:15] Donald Rumsel resignation a little while
[15:18] back, but a number of others had already
[15:20] done it. And when uh it seemed that she
[15:22] wasn't being sort of tough enough on the
[15:24] administration, uh that's when she
[15:26] called during a hearing for his
[15:27] resignation to kind of up that half of
[15:29] her resume. John, how shaken is the
[15:32] White House by what has happened over
[15:35] the past 24 hours?
[15:37] >> Well, it clearly they knew it was
[15:38] coming. They said all along they were
[15:39] confident. They were optimistic they
[15:41] were going to hold their majorities, but
[15:42] you had the meeting with Secretary
[15:44] Rumsfeld and and Mr. Gates taking place
[15:46] before the election. So, they knew they
[15:47] were going to have to pivot after the
[15:48] election. They knew at a minimum they
[15:50] were going to lose seats and truth be
[15:51] told, they were pretty sure they were
[15:52] going to lose the House majority and
[15:54] were holding out hope for the Senate.
[15:55] So, it is it is not a surprise to them,
[15:58] but it is a slap at them. And one of the
[16:00] big challenges here is can George W.
[16:01] Bush go back to being the guy who came
[16:03] to Washington as the Texas governor who
[16:05] had a history of dealing with the
[16:06] Democrats who said he thought Washington
[16:08] was this partisan awful town and he
[16:10] wanted to change the tone. The Democrats
[16:12] would say and most people in the White
[16:13] House would concede he has since being
[16:15] president run a clearly conservative
[16:18] base conservative base conservative
[16:20] based driven strategy and pretty much
[16:22] ignored the Democrats on just about
[16:23] every issue. There was the education
[16:25] deal with Ted Kennedy early on the
[16:26] Medicare Medicare prescription drug bill
[16:28] deal early on but he has not especially
[16:30] on issues of national security which is
[16:32] now the big here's the cliche again
[16:34] elephant in the room Iraq he has not
[16:36] consulted the Democrats enough he said
[16:37] he would today he laid it out there
[16:39] today we'll see how this all plays out
[16:41] and boy does Mr. Gates have a tough job.
[16:43] >> And and John, I know you covered this
[16:45] president for a long time. When he said
[16:48] last week in that interview with wire
[16:50] service reporters that the vice
[16:52] president, Donald Rumsfeld were doing,
[16:53] in his words, a fantastic job and he
[16:56] said that both of them would stay until
[16:58] he left office January 20th, 2009. He
[17:01] sort of acknowledged today, you know, he
[17:03] he knew that was not necessarily going
[17:05] to be the case, but uh what what was
[17:07] what how was he how was he playing that?
[17:09] because I couldn't have the impress I
[17:11] couldn't but have the impression that
[17:12] when he said that uh to the wire service
[17:15] reporters last week he knew it wasn't
[17:17] necessarily true he
[17:18] >> he did know it was true and that's one
[17:20] of those moments I guess where you don't
[17:21] want to be president and welcome to the
[17:22] presidency he said that he didn't want
[17:24] to leak the news didn't want the news to
[17:25] come out before the election because it
[17:27] would be viewed in a political context
[17:28] so essentially he didn't tell the whole
[17:30] truth did he lie to the wire service
[17:32] reporters did he just withhold
[17:33] information you know we can have a
[17:34] semantics debate to the end but the
[17:35] president conceded the fact he was not
[17:37] ready to make the announcement he
[17:38] thought if he gave him any hints or
[17:40] clues. It would throw a whole new dicey
[17:42] bombshell into the political climate
[17:44] before the election. So, he fudged.
[17:46] >> He fudged indeed. And he had to
[17:48] acknowledge that today. Uh John King,
[17:51] thanks very much. Candy Crowley, thanks
[17:52] to you. Uh John and Candy, Dana,
[17:55] Kathleen Ko, they are all part of the
[17:57] best political team on television. And
[17:59] remember, for all the political news at
[18:02] any time, you can always go to our CNN
[18:04] political ticker, CNN.com/ticker.
[18:08] Also part of the best political team on
[18:10] television, Jack Caferty. He's standing
[18:12] by with the Caerty file. Hi, Jack. Wolf.
[18:14] Now that the Democrats are the new
[18:16] majority in the House and maybe the
[18:18] Senate, the question immediately arises,
[18:20] where do they go from here? Iraq's at
[18:23] the top of the list. Another 21 US
[18:25] military deaths there so far this month.
[18:28] Maybe it ought to be number one. Senator
[18:30] Harry Reid sent President Bush a letter
[18:31] asking for a summit with congressional
[18:33] leaders on Iraq. The Democrat, who's set
[18:35] to become chairman of the House Armed
[18:37] Services Committee, that would be
[18:38] Congressman Ike Skelton, says they will
[18:40] re-examine US policy in Iraq and
[18:42] institute better oversight of the
[18:44] Pentagon. That's not all. Not by a long
[18:47] shot. Nancy Pelosi, expected to be the
[18:49] new speaker, says in the first 100 hours
[18:51] of the new session, she will push for
[18:53] implementing all of the 9/11 commission
[18:56] recommendations, raise the minimum wage,
[18:59] get rid of corporate subsidies for oil
[19:01] companies, and impose new restrictions
[19:02] on lobbyists. It's a very tall order.
[19:05] Here's the question. What should the
[19:07] Democrats priorities be uh in the new
[19:09] Congress? Email your thoughts to
[19:11] Caffidity File at CNN.com or go to
[19:13] CNN.com/afityfile.
[19:16] And Jack, as you know, the Democrats
[19:18] will be for sure the majority in the
[19:20] House of Representatives. And they are
[19:22] poised potentially to be the majority in
[19:25] the US Senate as well if that vote count
[19:28] in Virginia goes their way. Right now,
[19:30] the Democratic candidate Jim Webb
[19:32] slightly ahead of George Allen. I I
[19:35] can't stress to you and our viewers how
[19:37] significant that would be if the
[19:39] Democrats are the majority not only in
[19:41] the House, but in the Senate as well.
[19:43] This is really going to put a tamper on
[19:44] these last two years of the Bush
[19:46] administration.
[19:46] >> It also points up the significance of
[19:48] everyone's vote and how few votes may in
[19:51] fact wind up at the end of the day
[19:52] tipping the balance of power in the most
[19:55] powerful nation in the world.
[19:57] >> Jack, we'll see you soon. Thanks very
[19:59] much. Coming up, we're going to have
[20:00] much more on the breaking news. We're
[20:02] covering the resignation of Donald
[20:04] Rumsfeld as defense secretary. I'll
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[20:09] today's strategy session. What does it
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[23:18] always outspoken Bill Maher on the
[23:20] elections winners and losers. Larry King
[23:22] tonight.
[23:25] Welcome back here on Capitol Hill. The
[23:27] balance of power in the Senate very much
[23:29] hanging in the balance right now. The
[23:31] latest CNN projection gives Democrats 50
[23:33] seats, 49 to the Republicans. One
[23:36] undecided race will determine which
[23:38] party controls Congress. That would be
[23:40] in Virginia, where the battle between
[23:42] Democrat Jim Webb and Republican
[23:44] incumbent George Allen continues. The
[23:46] latest raw vote total shows Web with a
[23:49] razor thin lead over Allen. Webb has
[23:51] declared victory, but Allen is not
[23:53] conceding, and a recount seems almost
[23:56] inevitable. In Montana, Democrat John
[23:59] Tester has declared victory over
[24:01] Republican incumbent Conrad Burns, and
[24:03] CNN projects Tester will ultimately be
[24:06] the winner. Tester has a narrow lead in
[24:08] the raw vote count. A recount is
[24:10] possible, but is considered less likely
[24:13] in Montana. CNN's Dan Simons is standing
[24:16] by in Montana. But first, let's bring in
[24:18] CNN's Brian Todd. He's joining us from
[24:20] Richmond in Virginia. Brian, what's the
[24:23] latest?
[24:25] >> Well, the latest is we're getting
[24:26] reports that James Webb is already
[24:27] starting to assume the mantle of Senator
[24:29] Elect. We're being told that he's
[24:30] starting to name members of a transition
[24:32] team. One report says he's starting to
[24:34] call himself senator elect. That's to be
[24:36] assumed in a situation like this for any
[24:38] candidate. Uh but right now, it really
[24:40] is too close to call. Some precincts are
[24:42] still being canvased at this hour. A
[24:44] couple of hours ago, we were told that
[24:45] at least three precincts were still
[24:46] outstanding. And the margin is, as you
[24:49] mentioned a moment ago, razor thin.
[24:50] We're told about 7,000 votes is the lead
[24:53] for Mr. Web right now. That is less than
[24:55] onethird of 1% of the vote in Virginia.
[24:58] That is what the US Senate hangs on
[25:00] right now. We have not heard from George
[25:02] Allen today. We have heard from his
[25:04] campaign, the Allen campaign, saying
[25:06] they are going to respect this process.
[25:07] They have not said flat out that they
[25:09] are going to call for a recount. They
[25:11] have until November 27th. Next week is
[25:14] when the canvasing will end. November
[25:16] 14th is the deadline for that. Then on
[25:18] November 27th is when uh is the deadline
[25:20] for the vote certification. On that
[25:23] date, if Mr. Allen is less than 1% of
[25:26] the vote behind, he has the right to
[25:28] request a recount. And we should know by
[25:31] that time whether he will do so. We can
[25:32] expect now that he will probably do so
[25:34] if this result holds the way it is.
[25:37] Wolf. And and in terms of the actual
[25:40] hard number, the advantage that Web has
[25:42] over Allen right now, there are a few
[25:44] thousand. Uh what is approximately?
[25:47] What's that number as as far as the
[25:49] latest tally is cons concerned?
[25:53] Right now we're getting that the number
[25:54] is at about 7,000 give or take a couple
[25:57] of hundred. We hear different figures.
[25:58] They all hover around 7,000. Wolf. It is
[26:01] a razor thin margin in this state
[26:03] because
[26:06] percent of the vote here that is well
[26:08] within the margin to ask for a recount.
[26:11] >> All right, Brian, thanks very much.
[26:12] Brian, we're going to be checking back
[26:14] with you. It all boils down right now to
[26:16] Virginia. Brian Todd reporting.
[26:25] And there's another development just
[26:26] coming into the situation room from
[26:29] Montana. Let's go to Dan Simon. He's
[26:31] joining us from Billings. Dan.
[26:34] >> Well, hi Wolf. Well, CNN and others may
[26:36] have declared this race for John Tester,
[26:39] but Senator Burns not ready to concede.
[26:41] We just got this statement a few minutes
[26:42] ago. It's a short statement. I'm going
[26:43] to read it. It says, quote, "John Tester
[26:46] ran a good race and has the lead right
[26:48] now, but it is extremely close. The
[26:51] state of Montana has a process in place
[26:54] and it is our obligation to see it
[26:56] through." Now, Wolf, in terms of the
[26:58] numbers, right now, John Tester has a
[27:00] 3,000 vote lead. In order for there to
[27:03] be a recount, the margin of victory has
[27:06] to be within 1/ half of 1%, which would
[27:09] mean 2,000. We understand there are few
[27:11] votes left to be counted.
[27:13] >> The next majority leader in the Senate.
[27:19] >> Unfortunately, we lost that connection
[27:20] at Billings, Montana. We're going to
[27:22] check back with Dan Simon, but uh
[27:24] clearly it's not over yet. As far as
[27:27] Conrad Burns is concerned, the
[27:28] Republican incumbent, he's not ready to
[27:31] concede, even though the indications are
[27:33] that John Tester, the Democrat, will be
[27:35] the next United States Senator from
[27:37] Montana. That brings the Democratic
[27:39] total up to 50. If they eventually are
[27:42] certified the winners in Virginia, that
[27:44] will be 51. The Democrats will be in the
[27:47] majority in the Senate. We know they are
[27:49] already in the majority in the House of
[27:51] Representatives. Coming up next, why did
[27:53] the vote go the way it did? Many exit
[27:56] polls are telling us what was on your
[27:58] mind on election day and where Iraq
[28:00] ranked among the issues you care about.
[28:02] Our senior political analyst Bill
[28:04] Schneider standing by with some answers
[28:06] and conservative assessment. What are
[28:08] the conservatives on talk radio saying
[28:11] about the big Democratic wins? We're
[28:13] going to bring you the latest buzz. I'm
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[31:02] >> Welcome back to the situation room. I'm
[31:04] Will Blitzer on Capitol Hill. Uh let's
[31:07] get back to our top story. The breaking
[31:09] news. Donald Rumsfeld calling it quits
[31:11] as defense secretary. Just a short while
[31:13] ago, President Bush appeared with
[31:15] Rumsfeld and the man tapped to replace
[31:17] him, the former CIA chief Robert Gates.
[31:20] Rumsfeld says he's benefited greatly
[31:22] from the criticism he's received in his
[31:24] tenure as the Pentagon chief. All this
[31:26] coming a day after voters sent a very
[31:29] clear message to the Bush administration
[31:31] about its handling of the war in Iraq.
[31:33] Let's bring in our senior political
[31:35] analyst, Bill Schneider. Bill Wolf, does
[31:38] Donald Rumsfeld's resignation have
[31:40] anything to do with the election? You
[31:42] bet.
[31:45] >> What was the message of this election?
[31:47] Ask the winners.
[31:49] >> Nowhere was the call for a new direction
[31:52] more clear from the American people uh
[31:54] than in the war in Iraq.
[31:56] >> The voters views were clear in our
[31:58] national exit poll. A clear majority of
[32:01] voters said they disapprove of the war
[32:04] in Iraq. Those numbers closely match
[32:06] people's views of President Bush,
[32:08] suggesting that the Iraq war now defines
[32:12] the president. But did it affect the
[32:14] vote? Yes. 59% of voters who disapproved
[32:19] of the war in Iraq said they voted to
[32:22] oppose President Bush.
[32:24] >> The more the president campaigned on the
[32:26] war,
[32:28] the fewer votes the Republicans who
[32:30] supported that got. And that it took its
[32:32] toll on the Republicans. It even took a
[32:35] toll on Republicans who opposed the war,
[32:38] like Senator Lincoln Chaffi, who lost
[32:40] his re-election bid in Rhode Island.
[32:43] Chaffi voted against the war, but
[32:45] anti-war voters in Rhode Island went
[32:47] nearly two to one for Chaffi's
[32:49] Democratic opponent.
[32:50] >> As much as they may have liked Lincoln
[32:52] Chaffy, they wanted to send a message to
[32:53] Bush.
[32:54] >> Message received sort of.
[32:57] >> I believe Iraq had a lot to do with the
[32:58] election, but I believe there's other
[32:59] factors as well.
[33:01] >> What were the voters trying to say?
[33:03] simply this. They want to see US troops
[33:07] begin to withdraw.
[33:10] Starting with Donald Rumsfeld because
[33:13] nearly half of Americans pled last month
[33:16] said they thought the Secretary of
[33:17] Defense should resign. Wolf.
[33:21] >> All right. What a bombshell today, Bill.
[33:23] Thanks very much for that. Let's bring
[33:25] in our senior analyst, Jeff Greenfield.
[33:27] Jeff, give us a little historic context
[33:30] right now to what's happening in uh in
[33:32] Washington DC.
[33:34] >> Well, the question is whether this
[33:35] signals a change not in personnel but in
[33:37] policy. And I couldn't help thinking
[33:38] back to the Vietnam era. Early in 1968,
[33:41] President Johnson had become
[33:43] disillusioned with Defense Secretary
[33:45] McNamera who himself had become
[33:46] disillusioned with the war and prospects
[33:48] for victory. He was also a close friend
[33:50] of Robert Kennedy who was contemplating
[33:52] a challenge. So Johnson replaced
[33:54] McNamera with Clark Clifford, a longtime
[33:57] Washington insider, a veteran political
[33:58] operative for the Democratic Party, and
[34:00] a well-known hawk. At the time, the
[34:02] Pentagon was pushing for 200,000 more
[34:05] troops in Vietnam. They were already a
[34:07] half a million. Clifford took one look
[34:09] at the situation, or rather a long look,
[34:11] and decided the war was unwinable, and
[34:13] within a short amount of time convinced
[34:14] the president to change course, go for a
[34:17] bombing hall temporary, go for
[34:19] negotiations, and of course, not seek
[34:21] re-election. The question to this time
[34:23] is whether the appointment of Robert
[34:25] Gates signals some kind of decision that
[34:28] they have already decided to change
[34:29] policy, wait for the recommendations of
[34:32] the Jim Baker Lee Hamilton Iraq security
[34:34] group and realize that they could not
[34:36] implement any kind of substantive change
[34:38] in Iraq policy with one of the
[34:40] architects of the present policy, Donald
[34:42] Rumsfeld. Please introduce
[34:45] >> Is there is there a sense that you're
[34:47] getting that the Vietnam analogy and I
[34:50] know it's a lot of people have been
[34:51] making those comparisons is applicable
[34:54] right now Jeff because this is the last
[34:57] two years of the Bush administration uh
[35:00] and this president clearly can't get
[35:01] himself reelected even if he wanted to.
[35:04] >> For a while I was one of those who
[35:06] didn't think there was an analogy. there
[35:08] was no draft and therefore much less
[35:09] political pressure uh on a president. Uh
[35:12] the the casualties while awful are a
[35:15] fraction of what they were in Vietnam.
[35:16] But the analogy I think is is best
[35:20] captured by a famous song of the Vietnam
[35:22] era, waste deep in the big muddy. Uh
[35:25] Americans do not like in long wars when
[35:28] they can't see either a clear path to
[35:30] victory or progress. as has often been
[35:33] said by its critics, this now has gone
[35:34] on just about as long as American
[35:36] participation uh in World War II. Um and
[35:39] and the sense that things were not
[35:41] getting any better is so pervasive that
[35:43] as you know, Wolf, in this recent
[35:45] election, you had Republican after
[35:47] Republican, including some of the
[35:48] stalwart supporters of Iraq like Chris
[35:51] Shay saying, "Maybe we need a change of
[35:52] course, maybe we need a new Secretary of
[35:54] Defense." And that's where I think the
[35:56] analogy is applicable. Wolf,
[35:58] >> we're going to continue this
[36:00] conversation. And uh Jeeoff, thanks very
[36:02] much. Uh coming up soon uh here in the
[36:04] situation room, the former Secretary of
[36:06] State Henry Kissinger. He knows a great
[36:08] deal about wartime elections and their
[36:10] fallout. He'll join us in the next hour
[36:12] to talk about the Rumsfeld resignation,
[36:14] the Democratic takeover of the House.
[36:17] And up next, the rough morning after for
[36:19] Donald Rumsfeld and for President Bush.
[36:22] Is the Pentagon chief's resignation
[36:23] enough to satisfy those angry voters out
[36:26] there? Paul Begal and Babe Buchanan.
[36:28] They're standing by for our strategy
[36:30] session. Much more of our election
[36:32] coverage live from Capitol Hill. You're
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[39:25] >> The winds of change are howling here in
[39:28] Washington right now. Not only do the
[39:29] final election results signal a power
[39:32] shift to Democratic hands in the House
[39:33] and possibly the US Senate as well. The
[39:36] Bush administration also signaling a
[39:38] possibly big shift on Iraq with the
[39:41] Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's
[39:43] resignation. Joining us now for today's
[39:45] strategy session, Democratic strategist
[39:48] Paul Begala and Republican strategist
[39:50] Babe Buchanan. And uh Paul, let me start
[39:52] with you. Uh would it have made any
[39:55] difference in this election, do you
[39:56] believe, if Rumsfeld would have
[39:58] resigned, let's say a week ago?
[40:01] >> Yes. Uh even better for the Republicans
[40:03] if it had been a few months ago. And we
[40:05] saw all across the country Democrats
[40:07] pressing Republicans saying Donald
[40:09] Rumsfeld should resign and Republicans
[40:11] being in the awful position of being
[40:12] disloyal to their president who has
[40:14] helped them enormously over the years.
[40:16] Uh or hurting themselves politically. Uh
[40:18] the president, if he was going to make
[40:20] this change, should have done it a long
[40:21] time ago. Worse still, though, he went
[40:24] out of his way to mislead the country.
[40:25] Just a few days ago, he was asked and he
[40:27] didn't just say his usual response,
[40:29] well, he's doing a good job or I have
[40:30] confidence in him. He said he's going to
[40:32] be here for the next two years. when he
[40:34] made that statement, he was already
[40:36] interviewing Bob Gates to take his job.
[40:38] That's going to hurt Mr. Bush's
[40:39] credibility terribly in the future.
[40:41] >> Don't I I think a lot of people uh Babe
[40:43] Buchanan will agree that the president
[40:45] was caught in uh shall we say a little
[40:48] bit of a fib there.
[40:49] >> There's no question. There's no question
[40:51] he was. But I I think what the American
[40:53] people are concerned about really right
[40:54] now is is we have the first step. They
[40:57] obviously they've rejected the
[40:59] president's leadership. They've rejected
[41:01] his Iraqi policy. They've even rejected
[41:04] Republican leadership across the board
[41:06] and and but and so what did the
[41:08] president do? He receives the message.
[41:09] He says, "Okay, with Iraq, obviously a
[41:11] key issue. Let's get started." Donald
[41:14] Rumsfeld's the face of stay the course.
[41:16] Move him out. It gives both Repsats and
[41:20] the American people the feeling that
[41:21] maybe he's open-minded some changes
[41:23] here. That's the first step, but they're
[41:25] looking for the second one. and and and
[41:28] Paul, so what do you think happens now
[41:30] as far as Iraq's strategy is concerned?
[41:33] Because uh as you know, Robert Gates,
[41:35] the the man designated to be the next
[41:37] defense secretary, he's got a little bit
[41:39] of a different reputation than Donald
[41:42] Rumsfeld has.
[41:43] >> Well, absolutely. He comes out of a long
[41:45] career in public service, but
[41:47] particularly the Bush one
[41:49] administration. And of course, President
[41:50] Bush's father and Donald Rumsfeld were
[41:53] famous and uh pretty intense rivals in
[41:56] their younger days. And so now it looks
[41:58] like the triumph of the father over over
[42:00] Don Rumsfeld yet again. Of course, it
[42:02] was the father who became president, not
[42:03] Mr. Rumsfeld. Uh but I have to tell you,
[42:05] I think the president's missing an
[42:07] opportunity here. I'm sure Mr. Gates is
[42:08] a lovely man. I don't know enough about
[42:09] him to pass any kind of intelligent
[42:11] judgment on him. But he could have, the
[42:13] president could have today named Joe
[42:15] Lieberman, the Democrat turned
[42:17] independent senator from Connecticut,
[42:19] very strong supporter of the war. And
[42:22] yet he was Al Gore's running mate. And
[42:24] the Connecticut voters just re-elected
[42:26] the Republican governor yesterday, Jod
[42:27] Re. She could then put a Republican in
[42:30] there and give Republicans control the
[42:31] Senate for another year or so. He missed
[42:34] an easy opportunity to both be
[42:35] bipartisan, but also help his political
[42:38] team at the same time. It's a rare
[42:40] opportunity. And I I I really for my
[42:42] sake I'm glad he missed it for my
[42:43] party's sake, but I was intrigued that
[42:45] he didn't take that option.
[42:46] >> All right, let's shift gears and talk
[42:48] about Virginia right now, Baby Buchanan,
[42:50] because it it would appear that the
[42:53] outcome in that state will determine
[42:55] whether the Democrats or the Republicans
[42:56] are the majority in the United States
[42:58] Senate. It looks as of right now with
[43:01] about 7,000 votes an advantage for the
[43:05] challenger Jim Webb as opposed to George
[43:07] Allen. Uh what do you make? Should
[43:09] George Allen demand that kind of recount
[43:12] or should he just call it a day?
[43:14] >> You you know this is a very tough call.
[43:17] First of all, you you've invested what
[43:19] 1520 million in this effort. You
[43:21] obviously don't want to walk away when
[43:22] you're not sure the results. I think if
[43:24] it's not enormously burdensome this here
[43:26] in in Virginia, it's all electronic. I
[43:29] don't see it's it's you have a right to
[43:31] have a recount, but I would like it not
[43:33] to go to the courts. I think we just
[43:34] have a legitimate recount and stop
[43:36] there. But uh you know you could have if
[43:39] this thing were to flip and ended up
[43:41] George Allen winning it. You're going to
[43:42] have resentment going on across this
[43:44] country. It's going to be deeply felt as
[43:46] if we stole the Senate and uh the Senate
[43:49] the Senate, not only the that particular
[43:51] seat, but the Senate itself.
[43:53] >> What do you think, Paul?
[43:54] >> Yeah, I think Bay makes a good point.
[43:55] Senator Allen presumably still has a
[43:58] desire for a political future. He
[43:59] stumbled desperately just a few months
[44:01] ago. uh dummies like me were seeing him
[44:02] as a very serious candidate for the
[44:04] presidency and now he's on the verge of
[44:06] being an ex United States senator, but
[44:07] he's young and he still has a chance, I
[44:10] think, to have a serious career ahead of
[44:11] him. This period of time will define him
[44:14] probably even more than his years in the
[44:15] Senate. If he pushes the his
[44:18] commonwealth and our country through a
[44:19] long difficult court battle the way that
[44:21] Bay is telling him not to, and I wish he
[44:23] would listen to B, it'll hurt him
[44:25] politically terribly. And guess what?
[44:27] He's going to lose. You're not going to
[44:28] pick up 7,000 votes in a recount. It's
[44:31] just not going to happen. So, but I'm
[44:32] sure he's got a lot of pressure from
[44:34] national Republicans saying save the
[44:35] Senate. Well, the time to save the
[44:36] Senate was yesterday when the votes were
[44:38] being cast. Not now in a recount.
[44:40] >> Paul Begala and Babe Buchanan, thanks to
[44:42] both of you very much. And as you saw
[44:44] earlier, Bill Schneider and Jeff
[44:46] Greenfield, all of them are part of the
[44:47] best political team on television. And
[44:49] remember, for the latest campaign news
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[48:19] spent his day in New York listening to
[48:22] talk radio. Alan,
[48:24] >> that's right, Wolf. The radio was
[48:25] buzzing today with calls from Democrats
[48:27] and Republicans, liberals, and
[48:29] conservatives, all wanting to share
[48:30] their glory or their grief. After
[48:33] speaking with their votes yesterday,
[48:35] Americans today were speaking their
[48:36] minds on talk radio.
[48:39] It's gratifying to see the Americans
[48:42] finally wake up.
[48:44] >> On liberal talk radio network Air
[48:46] America, Mark from Oakland was gloating.
[48:49] >> It was just one of the most
[48:52] >> incredible and wonderful feelings.
[48:54] >> Your your point is
[48:55] >> we've got our we've got our we we've
[48:57] we've made the first step. We've got our
[48:59] country back.
[49:01] >> Democrats were pumped up on talk radio
[49:03] today, energized, feeling new power to
[49:05] demand change.
[49:06] >> You're with John Gambling. Good morning.
[49:08] New York's Republican leaning talk show
[49:10] host John Gambling got an earful from
[49:12] some Democratic callers this morning.
[49:14] >> Bush wake up now. Do you have the
[49:17] message? Couple of them called and said
[49:19] they didn't think he has the message.
[49:22] >> We have said that we do not want stay
[49:24] the cost anymore. We do not want
[49:27] Rumsfeld. We want a new foreign policy
[49:30] in Iraq. We want someone to listen to
[49:33] us. I think that the Democrats have no
[49:35] intention of working with the
[49:36] Republicans for the next two years. What
[49:37] they're going to try to do is impeach
[49:40] the president.
[49:41] >> Ladies and gentlemen,
[49:42] >> the president apparently was listening.
[49:44] An hour later, Derek from Brooklyn got
[49:46] part of his wish when the president
[49:48] announced Donald Rumsfeld was resigning.
[49:51] >> It was a day for Republicans to lick
[49:53] their wounds.
[49:54] >> I'm really sad for this country. I'm a
[49:56] very disappointed conservative today.
[49:59] But amid the complaints, one Republican
[50:01] caller, Moren, reminded fellow party
[50:04] members to keep the loss in perspective
[50:06] by recognizing the blessings of
[50:08] democracy.
[50:09] >> Yeah, we're disappointed, but chins up.
[50:11] We decide our destiny. We can vote in
[50:14] this country.
[50:16] >> When you hear the passion that people
[50:17] have for politics on talk radio, it
[50:20] really makes you wonder why more
[50:22] Americans simply don't vote. Wol,
[50:26] >> good question. Uh, Alan, thanks very
[50:27] much. Up next, we'll get reaction to the
[50:29] election and to the Rumsfeld
[50:31] resignation. And it isn't confined
[50:33] necessarily to talk radio. Bloggers,
[50:35] both conservative and liberal, have
[50:37] plenty to say about what's going on.
[50:40] Also coming up, my interview with Nancy
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[50:44] first woman speaker of the house. Can
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[53:51] >> Returning now to our top story. The
[53:53] Defense Secretary of the United States
[53:55] Donald Rumsfeld stepping down. The news
[53:57] uh is being greeted around the world,
[53:59] but how is it being greeted online? Our
[54:02] internet reporter Abby Tatton standing
[54:04] by with some details. Abby
[54:05] >> Wolf and of course it's a day of
[54:07] celebrations for liberal bloggers online
[54:09] about their gains in the House and also
[54:12] from conservatives some of those urging
[54:15] wholesale change in House Republican
[54:17] leadership. That's how the day started
[54:18] and then with the news about Donald
[54:20] Rumsfeld the conversation changed a
[54:22] little bit online and it's the timing of
[54:25] the decision as much as the decision
[54:27] itself that is being discussed out
[54:28] there. One of these to talk about this
[54:30] liberal think progress. They're pointing
[54:33] out that the president told reporters
[54:35] last week that Rumsfeld would not be
[54:37] stepping down and they're linking to the
[54:38] news conference today when the president
[54:41] said that he did that to get reporters
[54:43] to move on to another topic. He did not
[54:45] want to inject a major decision on the
[54:48] war into the final days. And that's been
[54:50] questioned by some like James Joiner, a
[54:52] conservative outside the beltway who's
[54:54] asking, well, isn't that exactly the
[54:56] kind of information that would have been
[54:58] useful to voters in the final few days?
[55:00] But the decision is also getting support
[55:02] from some conservatives online from the
[55:05] National Review calling it very
[55:06] decisive. Michelle Markin and other
[55:08] conservatives saying that this proves
[55:10] he's not the stubborn cowboy that some
[55:12] people sometimes accuse him of. But for
[55:14] the liberals at my DD, this is a site
[55:16] that's been supporting anti-war
[55:18] candidates throughout this election
[55:20] cycle. But Matt Stal saying the Bush ad
[55:22] administration knew exactly what the
[55:24] election was about and that is why
[55:26] Donald Rumsfeld is out of office. Wolf.
[55:28] >> All right, Abby. Thank you very much. Up
[55:30] next, Jack Cavern returns with your
[55:32] email. The question of the hour, what
[55:34] should the Democrats priorities be in
[55:36] Congress? We're live on Capitol Hill and
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[58:49] >> the question this hour is, what should
[58:50] the Democrats priorities be in the new
[58:53] Congress? In uh 07, Jeff in Yellow
[58:56] Springs, Ohio writes, "Now that the Dems
[58:57] have ridden a wave of voter discuss with
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[59:11] they waste time trying to vilify
[59:13] Republicans with hearings, etc., they're
[59:15] going to end up ticking off the voters.
[59:17] And as we saw last night, the voters can
[59:19] and do show their annoyance at the
[59:21] polls. Mike writes, "Jack, the first and
[59:23] most important thing the Democrats need
[59:25] to do is impeach George Bush so this
[59:28] nation of ours can get back on the right
[59:30] track." Joe in Kentucky, Jack, the first
[59:32] priority of the new House should be to
[59:34] bring back the 5-day work week. The
[59:36] speaker should give notice that all
[59:37] votes will be taken on Friday of each
[59:40] week. It's time to give the people the
[59:42] right work ethic for the overpay that
[59:44] they now receive. Mark in New Jersey,
[59:46] immigration, immigration, immigration,
[59:49] immigration in that order. James, the
[59:51] day after the election, I haven't heard
[59:53] anyone talking about the genius of Carl
[59:55] Rove. I have three words for Mr. Bush.
[59:58] Touchdown, George. Touchdown. And
[60:01] Richard Galino, Ohio, the Democrat's
[60:03] first priority should be to become the
[60:05] minority party again in 2008. Wolf
[60:08] >> Jack, thank you. And to our viewers,
[60:10] you're in the situation room where new
[60:12] pictures and information are arriving
[60:14] all the time. Standing by CNN reporters
[60:17] across the United States and around the
[60:18] world to bring you today's top stories.
[60:21] Happening now, the aftershock from an
[60:24] election earthquake. Defense Secretary
[60:26] Donald Rumsfeld resigns and a lame duck
[60:28] president apparently picks a
[60:30] replacement. Will there be a change of
[60:32] course in Iraq? Big changes ahead in
[60:35] Congress where Democrats clean house.
[60:37] I'll have a special interview with Nancy
[60:39] Pelosi, slated to serve as the first
[60:41] woman speaker of the House. And a
[60:44] seessaw struggle for control of the
[60:46] Senate. One last race still too close to
[60:48] call. We'll take you to the battleground
[60:50] in Virginia. I'm Will Blitzer live on
[60:53] Capitol Hill, epicenter of this election
[60:55] upheaval. You're in the situation room.
[61:14] A ground swell of voter outrage shakes
[61:17] the foundations here on Capitol Hill and
[61:19] rocks the White House. The first pillar
[61:21] to fall, Defense Secretary Donald
[61:23] Rumsfelt stepping down amid public anger
[61:26] over the Iraq war. President Bush picks
[61:28] a replacement, but Democrats feel they
[61:30] can now call the shots. At least many of
[61:33] them. Only one seat may stand in the way
[61:35] of their control of the US Senate, but
[61:37] it's still a cliffhanger in Virginia.
[61:40] Takeover of the House already in the
[61:42] works. I'll speak with the Democratic
[61:44] leader Nancy Pelosi. She's set to become
[61:46] America's first female speaker. Standing
[61:49] by our senior Pentagon correspondent
[61:51] Jamie McIntyre, CNN's Michael Wear in
[61:54] Baghdad. But let's begin with our White
[61:56] House correspondent, Suzan Malvo. Suzan,
[61:59] >> well Wolf, as you know, Don Rumsfeld is
[62:01] out. Bob Gates is in. It is really a
[62:03] stunning turnaround for this president,
[62:05] at least publicly. The news broke just
[62:08] before the press conference uh occurred
[62:10] in the East Room. Blackberries were
[62:12] buzzing. Uh we had some hint of
[62:14] something a foot when White House
[62:16] officials refused to actually rule out
[62:18] the possibility that there'd be a major
[62:20] announcement and a personnel
[62:21] announcement. And that of course uh is
[62:23] when the news broke. The president
[62:25] making that news in the East Room. And
[62:27] of course the reason why this was so
[62:29] surprising, it was just a week ago that
[62:31] the president in a print interview
[62:33] outright rejected the possibility of
[62:35] Rumsfeld stepping down saying he would
[62:37] take him uh through the remainder of his
[62:40] second term. But that of course is not
[62:42] happening. President Bush acknowledged
[62:44] that he was less than forthcoming with
[62:46] reporters today, saying that he and
[62:48] Rumsfeld actually had a series of
[62:50] meetings about the possibility of him
[62:52] stepping down and that it wasn't until
[62:54] Sunday in Crawford when he met with his
[62:56] potential replacement.
[62:59] >> In this time of war, the president
[63:00] relies on the Secretary of Defense to
[63:02] provide military advice and direct our
[63:04] nation's armed forces as they engage our
[63:06] enemies across the world.
[63:09] Secretary of Defense must be a man of
[63:11] vision who can see threats still over
[63:14] the horizon and prepare our nation to
[63:16] meet them. Bob Gates is the right man to
[63:19] meet both of these critical challenges
[63:21] for six years. Uh it's been quite a
[63:24] time. It it recalls to mind the
[63:28] statement by Winston Churchill something
[63:30] to the effect that I have benefited
[63:33] greatly from criticism
[63:36] and at no time have I suffered a lack
[63:39] thereof
[63:43] and Wolf President Bush saying that the
[63:45] reason why he wasn't forthcoming about
[63:47] Runsfeld potentially stepping down he
[63:49] didn't want to influence the midterm
[63:51] elections and interfere with the
[63:53] political climate here. But of course,
[63:56] Wolfe, this is really part consiliatory,
[63:58] but also partly a political calculation
[64:00] as well. Republican strategists as well
[64:03] as friends of the White House and even
[64:04] some lawmakers quietly going to the
[64:07] White House suggesting that they needed
[64:08] to do something dramatic. They needed to
[64:10] do it quickly, that the elections
[64:12] essentially was a referendum on the
[64:14] president in his Iraq war. Wol.
[64:16] >> All right, Suzanne. Thanks very much.
[64:18] For almost half a dozen years, Donald
[64:20] Rumseld worked his will at the Pentagon.
[64:22] But voters angry over the war in Iraq
[64:24] have now made their will clear. Let's go
[64:26] live to our senior Pentagon
[64:28] correspondent, Jamie McIntyre. Jamie,
[64:30] what does the defense secretary's
[64:32] departure actually mean for the
[64:34] management of the war in Iraq? Well, it
[64:36] means a couple of things. Wolf. One, of
[64:38] course, is it's a consiliatory gesture
[64:40] to Democrats on the Hill who had been
[64:42] calling for Rumsfeld's resignation for
[64:44] quite some time. It also obviously does
[64:46] clear the decks, provides, in the
[64:48] president's words a chance for a fresh
[64:50] perspective on what's going on in Iraq.
[64:52] And by selecting Bob Gates as the new
[64:56] defense secretary, assuming he's
[64:57] confirmed, it gives more credence to the
[64:59] Iraq study group of which he was a
[65:01] member, which has been studying, getting
[65:03] briefings, trying to come up with
[65:05] options for a major course correction.
[65:06] Without Rumsfeld at the helm, the
[65:09] chances for a major change in policy are
[65:11] greater because uh you won't have
[65:13] Rumsfeld arguing for uh the current
[65:16] policy which he continues to believe is
[65:18] the right one.
[65:19] >> And what's the buzz in the corridors
[65:21] over there at the Pentagon? I'm sure it
[65:23] must it must have caused quite a jolt.
[65:25] >> Yeah, big surprise. Nobody saw this
[65:27] coming as far as I can tell. most of the
[65:29] uh rum key rumald aids who came in this
[65:31] morning were in meetings with him and he
[65:33] didn't give a clue that this was up
[65:35] until about midm morning when he started
[65:36] to uh to brief some of the senior
[65:38] people. So a big shock particularly
[65:40] because President Bush had just given
[65:42] him another uh endorsement.
[65:45] >> Jamie McIntyre, thank you very much. So
[65:47] what impact will the departure of Donald
[65:49] Rumsfeld and the political turnabout
[65:51] here in Washington have on the war in
[65:53] Iraq? Let's turn to CNN's Michael Wear.
[65:55] He's joining us live from Baghdad.
[65:58] What's the likely reaction going to be
[66:00] first of all in the Iraqi government of
[66:03] the Prime Minister Nuriel Maliki?
[66:07] >> Well, Wolf, I mean, clearly the Iraqi
[66:10] government has no influence over the
[66:13] appointments within the US
[66:15] administration. Indeed, the
[66:16] administration makes it very clear that
[66:19] Iraq itself is a sovereign government. I
[66:22] mean really they're just going to have
[66:24] to accept this obviously and they're
[66:26] going to have to work with whomever is
[66:28] in the position that has now seen
[66:33] being filled. Wol,
[66:35] >> what about the insurgents uh or the
[66:38] terrorists or those uh who who
[66:41] presumably might say, you know what,
[66:44] this is a victory for uh for the
[66:46] insurgency, those who are against the
[66:48] United States. It's a sign of American
[66:51] weakness that could cause potentially
[66:53] some serious ramifications.
[66:57] >> Oh, certainly. I think you will see the
[67:00] insurgent propaganda campaign attempt to
[67:02] capitalize on this in any way it can. I
[67:06] mean, it's leapt on every opportunity
[67:08] that has come its way in the past. And
[67:11] as we are well aware, they monitored
[67:14] this election very closely. So the
[67:17] aftershocks as seen with the departure
[67:19] of Secretary Rumsfeld will have
[67:21] registered out in the insurgency and
[67:23] they'll very clearly start including
[67:25] that now in their information operations
[67:29] or propaganda
[67:30] >> and there was a strong message sent from
[67:32] Washington. Don't misread what is
[67:35] happening because US resolve according
[67:36] to the White House still remains strong
[67:39] in dealing uh with the insurgency
[67:42] dealing with the the war in Iraq. Uh on
[67:44] a day-to-day basis though as you talk to
[67:47] US troops and you've been embedded with
[67:49] a lot of US military personnel over
[67:51] these past 3 years plus. Uh what what do
[67:54] you sense they're saying to themselves
[67:57] as they are on the front lines actually
[67:59] fighting this war?
[68:02] Well, Wolf, as someone here in Baghdad,
[68:04] be it the soldiers, be it people from
[68:07] the State Department, be it contractors,
[68:09] be it anyone involved with the US
[68:11] mission here, the big question now is
[68:13] what will this mean to us here on the
[68:16] ground? Is this going to be a shift? I
[68:18] mean there's been many schools of
[68:20] thought within military circles,
[68:22] political circles, within strategic
[68:25] analytical circles about the path for
[68:28] this war, about assessing the true
[68:30] nature of this war, what the problems
[68:33] really are and how to address them. So
[68:35] they'll be asking, does this change
[68:37] that? Is this a signal of any kind of
[68:40] shift in policy or in thinking? And most
[68:43] urgently, one wonders what the generals
[68:46] must be thinking. They'll now be
[68:47] wondering what will happen if they ask
[68:49] for more troops. If they ask for a
[68:51] different kind of composition of their
[68:53] forces, who's going to decide? Is there
[68:56] a clear policy line? Everyone's going to
[68:59] be asking themselves these kinds of
[69:00] questions. What does it mean, Wolf?
[69:03] >> Michael Wear reporting for us from
[69:04] Baghdad. Michael, thank you. Let's go to
[69:06] Jack in New York with the Cavern File.
[69:08] Jack,
[69:09] >> we took a whipping last night and we
[69:12] understand that. That was former House
[69:14] Majority Leader Tom Delay. He says the
[69:17] Republicans lost the majority in the
[69:19] House because not enough of them came
[69:21] out to vote and because GOP leaders
[69:23] didn't tell the voters what they stood
[69:25] for. A delay went as far as to say,
[69:27] quote, "The Democrats didn't win, the
[69:30] Republicans lost," unquote. He added,
[69:32] "The Democrats voted against Republicans
[69:35] because of the war in Iraq." But he says
[69:37] he holds out hope for the future and
[69:39] thinks that if the GOP members fight for
[69:41] what they believe in, the public will
[69:43] support them and they'll have the chance
[69:45] to take back the house in 2008. Delay
[69:48] resigned after being indicted on state
[69:50] moneyaundering charges in Texas. And CNN
[69:53] projects that Democrat Nick Lamson won
[69:55] the hammer's former congressional seat
[69:57] uh in that district in Texas. The
[70:00] question is this then Tom Delay says the
[70:02] Democrats didn't win, the Republicans
[70:04] lost. Is he right? Email us at caertdity
[70:08] file at CNN.com or go to
[70:10] cnn.com/cafertyfile.
[70:12] Wolf.
[70:13] >> All right, Jack. Thank you. Up ahead,
[70:15] Capitol Hill cliffhanger. The plot
[70:17] thickens over who will control the US
[70:19] Senate as the Virginia Senate race lies
[70:22] undecided still. Also, Nancy Pelosi
[70:25] poised to become the first ever female
[70:27] speaker of the House. I'll speak with
[70:29] her one-on-one about the privilege and
[70:31] the perils of the Democrats newly
[70:33] acquired power. and resignation
[70:35] ramifications. Might Donald Rumsfeld's
[70:38] departure signal a major turning point
[70:40] for the war? I'll ask the former
[70:42] Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. He's
[70:44] standing by live. Stay with us. You're
[70:46] in the situation room.
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[73:31] >> I'm Wolf Blitzer. We're live on Capitol
[73:33] Hill. A generation ago, he helped
[73:35] preside over another unpopular war that
[73:38] was in Vietnam. He helped see it through
[73:40] to its conclusion. And joining us now,
[73:42] the former national security adviser,
[73:44] the former Secretary of State, Dr. Henry
[73:46] Kissinger. Dr. Kissinger, thanks for
[73:48] coming in.
[73:49] >> Good to be here.
[73:49] >> What do you make of this bombshell?
[73:52] We'll start off with Donald Rumsfeld's
[73:54] resignation today on this the day after
[73:57] the election.
[74:00] Well, Ramsfeld is a great patriot
[74:03] and he must have decided that he was
[74:06] drawing too much fire
[74:09] too difficult to carry out his task
[74:14] and that he wanted to provide a
[74:16] possibility for different perspective
[74:20] facts change
[74:23] because the conclusion from the
[74:25] electorate from the American people who
[74:27] voted is that this war was very
[74:29] unpopular. An enormous amount. It was in
[74:32] effect a referendum on the war and on
[74:33] the Bush presidency
[74:36] >> except that uh there certain objective
[74:39] conditions which
[74:42] don't necessarily respond to what the
[74:44] vote is. We we don't want a Taliban in
[74:48] Iraq. We don't want terrorists to be
[74:51] trained in Iraq.
[74:53] >> That looks to a lot of voters out there,
[74:55] a lot of Americans that that's exactly
[74:57] what's happening. despite the enormous
[74:59] the enormous initiative, the enormous
[75:01] effort underway.
[75:03] >> But there's no doubt what the president
[75:06] has asked for a reassessment and he's
[75:10] asked the Baker Commission to make a
[75:12] report and all of us who are concerned
[75:15] with foreign policy and with bipartisan
[75:17] foreign policy will approach that effort
[75:20] with sympathy and with an attitude that
[75:23] we'll try to support it. How does the
[75:26] United States, the Bush administration
[75:28] right now convince the insurgents, the
[75:32] terrorists out there that they're not
[75:34] winning? Because a lot of them are going
[75:36] to conclude by the way the American
[75:38] public voted repudiating the president's
[75:40] policy in effect and by the decision of
[75:42] Rumsfeld who was one of the architects
[75:44] of this war to step down. They they
[75:46] inevitably are going to conclude they're
[75:48] winning.
[75:49] >> Well, that's the problem. That's the
[75:51] problem in any guerilla war that the
[75:54] guerillas think that just as long as
[75:56] they can keep themselves from losing
[75:58] eventually they'll win because the
[76:01] support for the effort will will
[76:03] disappear. That is the dilemma and our
[76:07] national debate has to be conducted on
[76:10] the premise of facing the consequences
[76:13] of whatever decision we You see the you
[76:15] see the similarities you have to see the
[76:17] similarities between now and Vietnam.
[76:20] >> Well, there was a different in Vietnam.
[76:24] In Vietnam, there was a functioning
[76:25] government in Vietnam in the period of
[76:29] the war that uh the administration which
[76:32] I served inherited because we didn't
[76:34] start that war. We inherited it from a
[76:37] previous administration.
[76:39] In the period we inherited, there was
[76:41] very little guerilla war. It was mainly
[76:44] a regular conventional war and we were
[76:48] gaining in that guerrilla war in that uh
[76:51] conventional war. So uh Vietnam was an
[76:55] aspect of the cold war. This is an
[76:58] aspect of a guerilla war and of a uh
[77:02] terrorist effort. They're not the same
[77:04] situation. How does the Democratic
[77:07] victory in the House of Representatives
[77:09] and maybe even in the United States
[77:11] Senate impact the final two years of the
[77:14] Bush administration in waging uh this
[77:17] policy, this war in Iraq? Well, these
[77:20] wars or no war can be won if it isn't
[77:24] conducted on a bipartisan basis whatever
[77:26] the election is because when the country
[77:28] gets divided then the enemy is bound to
[77:32] uh believe that he only has to hold on.
[77:35] Now the fact that there has been a
[77:38] democratic victory makes the need for
[77:41] bipartisanship even more urgent. But uh
[77:45] both parties have to keep in mind that
[77:48] after the next presidential election,
[77:50] the legacies of whatever happened now
[77:53] will still be with us. So that we should
[77:56] try to establish a bipartisanship not
[77:58] only for two years but for a
[78:02] considerable period of time to see us
[78:04] through this crisis. In Bob Woodward's
[78:06] new book, State of Denial, he reports
[78:08] extensively and he and what he says is
[78:10] your extraordinary influence inside the
[78:12] White House that you meet regularly with
[78:14] the president and the vice president to
[78:16] offer advice. You're here in Washington.
[78:19] May I ask you if you've met with the
[78:21] president or the vice president on this
[78:23] trip to give them some advice?
[78:26] >> No, I haven't met uh and I don't come to
[78:29] Washington to volunteer advice,
[78:31] >> but they ask you for it. When I am
[78:33] asked, I uh I offer advice, but I've
[78:37] literally just arrived and the first
[78:39] person second person I've seen here.
[78:41] >> So, you're giving us advice, right?
[78:42] >> It's you.
[78:44] >> Will you be heading over to the White
[78:46] House?
[78:46] >> Uh, probably tomorrow.
[78:48] >> Probably tomorrow. And
[78:49] >> but not to see the president.
[78:50] >> But without going into too much
[78:52] confidentiality, in a nutshell, can you
[78:55] share with our viewers what you think
[78:57] the administration should be doing at
[78:59] this critical moment right now?
[79:03] I think the administration should do
[79:06] substantially what the president today
[79:08] said he would do. Emphasize
[79:10] bipartisanship and not just in rhetoric
[79:13] but in practice. Secondly, to try to get
[79:16] an assessment of the situation that a
[79:20] group of responsible people support and
[79:24] then to design a policy that achieves
[79:28] as many of the objectives as our public
[79:30] wants. And if we find we cannot achieve
[79:33] all of these to tell the public honestly
[79:37] uh as I know they will want to do why
[79:40] for the sake of their children and for
[79:42] the sake of their own security some
[79:45] modifications have to be carried out and
[79:47] what the what the public seems to have
[79:51] asked for yesterday.
[79:53] >> We'll leave it right there Dr. Kissinger
[79:55] as usual. Thanks very much for coming
[79:56] in.
[79:57] >> Pleasure to see you.
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[83:07] Always outspoken Bill Maher on the
[83:09] elections winners and losers. Larry King
[83:11] tonight.
[83:17] And this just coming into the situation
[83:19] room. Another uh pickup for the House
[83:21] Democrats in a race that was dominated
[83:23] by debate about the war in Iraq.
[83:25] Democrat and Iraq War veteran Patrick
[83:27] Murphy has won the congressional seat in
[83:30] Pennsylvania's eighth district outside
[83:32] Philadelphia. He defeated Republican
[83:34] incumbent Mike Fitzpatrick. Murphy
[83:36] portrayed Fitzpatrick as being willing
[83:38] to go along with President Bush. Another
[83:41] major pickup for the Democrats in the
[83:43] House. One day after election day, a
[83:46] Capitol Hill cliffhanger continues in
[83:48] Virginia. The two men carry the fate of
[83:50] the Senate on their shoulders right now.
[83:52] And in Montana, one man claims victory
[83:55] while his opponent so far refusing to
[83:57] concede. We'll have more on that
[83:59] showdown out west in a moment from CNN's
[84:01] Dan Simon in Billings, Montana. But
[84:03] first, let's go to CNN's Brian Todd.
[84:05] He's watching the dramatic developments
[84:07] unfold in Virginia from the state
[84:09] capital in Richmond. Brian
[84:12] Wolf. Tonight, 24 hours after you
[84:14] brought everyone the news that this was
[84:15] all unfolding. Almost 24 hours later, we
[84:18] have a situation where the Republican
[84:20] Republican incumbent Senator George
[84:21] Allen is on the verge not only of losing
[84:24] his seat, but of losing the
[84:25] Republicans's majority in the Senate.
[84:27] Mr. Allen, we have not heard from him
[84:28] today. We have heard from members of his
[84:30] staff. They all seem to be girding for a
[84:32] recount. Uh they they say that uh they
[84:35] are going to respect this process as it
[84:37] goes forward as the precincts and
[84:39] everything is being canvased right now
[84:40] to make sure the votes are tallied
[84:42] correctly, but they are uh making
[84:44] statements uh to to indicate that they
[84:47] believe there were some irregularities
[84:48] in this vote. They had some of their
[84:50] attorneys speak at a news conference
[84:51] earlier today. They're giving all
[84:53] indications that they will contend this
[84:55] vote very very closely. James Webb, on
[84:58] the other hand, Democrat, is basking in
[85:00] what he believes is a victory. His
[85:02] margin right now is only about 7,000
[85:04] votes. That's less than 1% of the entire
[85:07] vote in this state. But Mr. Webb is
[85:09] already acting like a senator elect and
[85:11] uh we will see in a couple of weeks when
[85:13] this recount uh comes to comes to pass
[85:15] and it likely will uh what will develop.
[85:17] Wolf.
[85:18] >> All right, Brian, thanks very much. I'll
[85:20] continue to watch it with you. Let's go
[85:21] to the other nailbiter out there, the
[85:23] Senate race in Montana. Their victory is
[85:26] being claimed, but it's not yet
[85:27] officially declared. CNN's Dan Simon
[85:30] joining us now with the latest. Dan
[85:33] >> Wolf, while CNN and others are declaring
[85:35] John Tester the winner in this race,
[85:38] Senator Conrad Burns not ready to throw
[85:40] in the towel. Uh a few minutes ago, uh
[85:42] we received a statement from Senator
[85:44] Burns and it says, quote, "John Tester
[85:47] ran a good race and he has the lead
[85:49] right now, but it is extremely close.
[85:51] The state of Montana has a process in
[85:54] place and it is our obligation to see it
[85:56] through. There are still votes out there
[85:58] that deserve to be counted." Well, in
[86:00] terms of where we are right now with the
[86:02] vote, uh CNN has Mr. Tester leading by
[86:05] about 3,000 votes. In order for there to
[86:08] be a recount, the margin of victory has
[86:10] to be within 1/ half of 1%. That would
[86:13] put it at only 2,000 votes. So, at this
[86:16] point, if the numbers hold up, uh John
[86:19] Tester will be the next senator from the
[86:21] state of Montana. Earlier today, uh he
[86:23] declared victory. He called on Senator
[86:25] Burns to concede, but at this point, uh
[86:27] he's not willing to do just that. Wolf,
[86:29] back to you.
[86:30] >> We'll stay on top of this story as well,
[86:31] Dan. Thanks very much. And coming up,
[86:33] the woman who would become the first
[86:35] female speaker of the house. She's
[86:37] reacting to Donald Rumsfeld's
[86:39] resignation, Nancy Pelosi, telling us
[86:42] just how she feels about that and a lot
[86:44] more in my special one-on-one interview
[86:46] with her. And in other Rumsfeld
[86:49] reactions, how are members of the US
[86:50] military responding to the defense
[86:53] secretary's intention to depart his
[86:55] post? Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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[88:30] Tonight, a big win for Democrats. The
[88:33] campaigns are over, but the politics
[88:35] continues. CNN breaks down your votes
[88:38] and the battle for Congress. Plus, live
[88:40] the view from Iraq. CNN Tonight,
[88:43] beginning 7 Eastern.
[88:46] >> It's been an election earthquake as
[88:48] Democrats win control of the House and
[88:50] may yet do the exact same thing in the
[88:52] Senate, set to take over one of the most
[88:54] powerful positions in the country, is
[88:56] Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi of
[88:58] California, currently the House Minority
[89:01] Leader. I sat down with her for a
[89:03] one-on-one interview just a little while
[89:05] ago.
[89:08] >> Thanks very much for joining us. I don't
[89:09] know whether to call you madam speaker
[89:11] designate or what's the formal title
[89:13] till you're actually sworn in as speaker
[89:15] what January 3rd
[89:16] >> well this week still Nancy
[89:19] >> no I'm not going to call you Nancy but
[89:20] the president when he spoke with you on
[89:22] the phone this morning he called you
[89:24] >> he called me speaker elect but
[89:25] technically the caucus still has to act
[89:28] once they act and then it's the speaker
[89:30] is a constitutional officer elected by
[89:33] the house of representatives so that
[89:35] happens in the first week of January
[89:37] >> I'll call you congresswoman for the time
[89:39] But there'll be plenty of time later to
[89:40] call you speaker. It's it's obviously a
[89:43] historic moment. A woman becoming
[89:46] speaker of the House of Representatives.
[89:48] Uh what is the impact? What does that
[89:50] mean for you?
[89:51] >> Well, what it means for our country, I
[89:53] think, is something very important. The
[89:54] Congress of the United States, as you
[89:56] know, Wolf, is an institution steeped in
[89:59] history and tradition. Uh for a woman to
[90:01] break through what I call the marble
[90:03] ceiling here is something quite
[90:05] remarkable. It sends a message that
[90:08] women can do anything.
[90:09] >> And do you feel a special responsibility
[90:11] knowing that historically this has never
[90:13] happened in our country before that a
[90:15] woman becomes the speaker of the house?
[90:17] >> I do. I feel a very special
[90:19] responsibility. I feel a responsibility
[90:21] to have the most most honest and open
[90:23] Congress, to have a Congress that has
[90:26] civility as its hallmark, bipartisanship
[90:29] in our debate, in our deliberations, and
[90:32] fiscal soundness of as a woman would
[90:35] would want to have not heaping mountains
[90:37] of debt on future generations. And as
[90:39] the first woman speaker, I would want to
[90:42] conduct myself, perform my duties in a
[90:44] way that would be sure that it wouldn't
[90:45] be too long before we'd have another
[90:47] woman speaker of the house. puts a
[90:49] little added pressure on you. But we'll
[90:51] get back to that. Let's talk about the
[90:52] news of the day. Lots of news, but we'll
[90:54] start with Donald Rumsfeld. Bombshell
[90:57] announcement only a few days ago. The
[90:59] president said he was doing a fantastic
[91:02] job together with the vice president,
[91:04] Dick Cheney. Is this what you wanted
[91:06] Rumsfeld to step down?
[91:07] >> Yes. Well, there were two major
[91:09] interventions since the president's last
[91:12] uh re reaffirmation of his support for
[91:14] Secretary Rumsfeld. One was of course
[91:17] the vote and the voice of the American
[91:19] people yesterday rejecting the uh stay
[91:22] the course policy of the president in
[91:24] Iraq and just before that the voice of
[91:27] the military in the army navy air force
[91:30] mer uh marine corps uh times uh saying
[91:34] that Rumsfeld must go to use their words
[91:37] uh the president got the message thank
[91:39] heavens and I think it's s uh signals a
[91:43] new change I hope uh for the better in
[91:46] Iraq.
[91:46] >> What do you think is of his designated
[91:48] successor, the former CIA director,
[91:50] Robert Gates?
[91:52] >> Well, this is a matter for the Senate uh
[91:54] to deliberate on and the president has
[91:56] proposed uh they will confirm and and I
[92:00] very much look forward to the hearings
[92:02] on that nomination.
[92:03] >> But fundamentally, do you think there
[92:05] will be a real change in US policy
[92:08] toward Iraq or this is simply changing
[92:10] the cast of characters? Will the
[92:12] president in other words do what you
[92:14] want him to do?
[92:15] >> Well, first of all, the president is the
[92:17] commander-in-chief. Donald Rumsfeld and
[92:21] whoever he the president appoints or is
[92:24] confirmed to Gates in this case is an
[92:26] employee of the president. So the policy
[92:28] is the president's the imple
[92:30] implementation of the policy as Mr.
[92:33] Rumsfeld and that's why I think it was
[92:35] very important for him to go.
[92:37] >> If the president pursues the current
[92:39] policy as you call it stay the course
[92:41] which he no no no longer uses that
[92:43] phrase. One option would be in the House
[92:46] of Representatives the power of the
[92:48] purse to cut funding for the war in
[92:51] Iraq. Is that on the table?
[92:53] >> Not really. We would never have
[92:54] >> Why isn't it on the table?
[92:56] >> Well, because our troops are in harm's
[92:57] way. Uh they have been set sent there
[92:59] whether you agree with the policy or
[93:01] not. And I certainly did not agree with
[93:04] uh the resolution to go to war. Uh we
[93:06] would not withhold our funding for the
[93:08] troops there.
[93:09] >> So what what can the House of
[93:11] Representatives do as you with you as
[93:13] speaker if the president over the next
[93:15] two years continues the strategy the
[93:18] policy as is? Well, what we have done,
[93:20] the House and Senate now, majority, a
[93:22] Democratic majority in the Senate, I
[93:24] anticipate uh Senator Reid and I, the
[93:27] Democratic leader there, have put forth
[93:30] some uh principles for uh solving the
[93:33] problem in
[93:34] >> you can make recommendations basically,
[93:36] but but there's not much more. If you're
[93:37] not going to use the power of the purse,
[93:39] there's not much more that you could do.
[93:41] You could do some oversight.
[93:42] >> Well, the oversight will be very
[93:44] important because then the truth would
[93:46] be revealed. But remember that stay the
[93:48] course has with it whether the president
[93:50] changed the slogan. He hasn't changed
[93:52] the strategy or the approach. And on the
[93:55] stay the course also implies staying the
[93:58] course of having a one party policy in
[94:00] Iraq. Even his own Republicans in some
[94:03] cases are deserting him on this. So it I
[94:06] think the interest of our national
[94:07] security in protecting the American
[94:09] people and bringing stability to the
[94:11] region and to honoring the the our
[94:13] commitment to our troops, we need a
[94:15] different approach and in the extending
[94:18] the hand of partnership to the
[94:20] president, not partisanship, but
[94:22] partnership to say let's work together
[94:24] to come to some common ground where we
[94:27] can solve the problem in Iran.
[94:28] >> Can you work with this president?
[94:30] because he was asked at the news
[94:32] conference earlier today about some
[94:33] things you've said of him. Our Suzan
[94:36] Malvo asked the very pointed question of
[94:38] the president quoting some of the
[94:40] remarks a liar misleading the country.
[94:42] >> I never called the president a liar. I
[94:45] never called him that.
[94:46] >> But but you have a problem working with
[94:48] this president. Is all that in the past
[94:50] now? Are you ready to start a fresh in
[94:52] working as the incoming speaker?
[94:55] >> Absolutely. You know, the campaign is
[94:57] over. Democrats are ready to lead,
[95:00] prepared to govern and absolutely
[95:02] willing to work in a bipartisan way and
[95:05] partnership, not partisanship, with the
[95:07] Republicans in the Congress and with the
[95:09] president of the United States.
[95:10] >> The vice president said the other day,
[95:12] uh, the president has made clear what
[95:13] his objective is, its victory in Iraq,
[95:16] and full speed ahead on that basis, and
[95:18] that's exactly what we're going to do.
[95:20] Uh, do you consider that statement that
[95:22] was pre-election still operable? I would
[95:25] say to the vice president that it's a
[95:27] little too late for full speed ahead.
[95:29] We've been in Iraq three and a half
[95:30] years, longer than the US was in Europe
[95:33] during World War II. So full speed
[95:35] ahead, I don't think so. Uh right now,
[95:38] again, we need a new direction uh that
[95:40] brings stability uh to the region and
[95:43] makes the American people safer.
[95:44] >> The uh power that you will have as the
[95:47] majority is subpoena power when you
[95:50] conduct your investigations, your
[95:52] oversight. Uh, you said on Meet the
[95:54] Press back on May 7th, well, we will
[95:56] have subpoena power. Investigation does
[95:58] not equate to impeachment. Investigation
[96:01] is the requirement of Congress. It's
[96:03] about checks and balances. Tell us how
[96:06] you plan on pursuing using this subpoena
[96:09] power.
[96:10] >> Well, first of all, there's said to us
[96:12] that, do the Democrats want to get even
[96:14] now that we're in the majority? We're
[96:16] not about wanting to get even. What we
[96:18] want to do is to help the American
[96:19] people get ahead, not to get even with
[96:22] the Republicans. And so as we go forward
[96:24] with our hearing process, which is the
[96:27] normal checks and balance responsibility
[96:29] of Congress, it will be to what is in
[96:32] furtherance of passing legislation that
[96:35] makes the policy better, that improves
[96:36] the lives of the American people. Uh in
[96:39] order to make important decisions, you
[96:41] have to base them on facts. That's the
[96:43] only way your judgment.
[96:44] >> So you'll use that subpoena power. Well,
[96:46] you subpoena power is a last resort. We
[96:49] would hope that there would be
[96:50] cooperation from the executive branch in
[96:53] terms of uh uh investigating the uh
[96:56] intellig pre-war intelligence. I don't
[96:58] know what those those decisions will be
[97:00] made by our caucus uh with the wisdom of
[97:03] the committees of jurisdiction. They may
[97:04] or may not be a priority. We're a brand
[97:06] new caucus. We have many new excellent
[97:09] members coming in and we will establish
[97:11] our priorities together. Uh but we will
[97:14] not abdicate our responsibility as the
[97:16] first branch of government, article one,
[97:18] the legislative branch, and our checks
[97:20] and balances responsibility.
[97:22] >> I I asked the question about subpoena
[97:24] power because the vice president once
[97:25] again made clear he if if you subpoena
[97:27] him, he's not necessarily going to play
[97:29] ball. I have no idea that I'm going to
[97:31] be subpoenaed, he said the other day.
[97:32] And obviously we'd sit down and look at
[97:34] it at the time, but probably not in the
[97:36] sense that the president and the vice
[97:37] president are constitutional officers
[97:39] and don't appear before the congress.
[97:42] Well, as you know, uh, President Ford
[97:44] did and he wasn't subpoenaed because he
[97:47] came without a subpoena. But why are we
[97:49] even talking about this? We're so far
[97:51] from that. We're at a place where we're
[97:53] here about the future. Uh, whatever
[97:56] information we need to make the future
[97:57] better, to go forward, whether it's to
[97:59] protect our country, to end our
[98:01] engagement in Iraq, uh, to make our
[98:03] economy fair, whatever it is, we need to
[98:06] move toward energy independence, I might
[98:08] add. uh that's that's where our
[98:10] priorities are and information is
[98:12] central to that. So we would have uh
[98:16] hearings to obtain information.
[98:18] >> As we speak right now, the majority in
[98:20] the House will be the Democrats. Right
[98:22] now it looks like the Democrats have an
[98:24] excellent chance in the Senate as well,
[98:26] assuming that Virginia goes to Jim Webb.
[98:29] It's still uh unclear, but if it does,
[98:32] the Democrats will be the majority in
[98:34] the Senate. Here's what you said on 60
[98:35] Minutes back in October. This election
[98:37] is about them. this is a referendum on
[98:39] them. Making them lame ducks is good
[98:42] enough for me.
[98:43] >> Well, that was an answer to their
[98:45] question about impeachment. I said
[98:47] impeachment is off the table. Uh that
[98:50] making the president a lame duck, that
[98:52] is to say, not a president with uh uh
[98:55] total power where there is no
[98:58] congressional questioning, oversight or
[99:00] hearings about his policy when there
[99:02] should be. Uh so we now will work
[99:05] together. The campaign, as I said, is
[99:06] over. We're ready to lead, prepared to
[99:08] govern, and look forward to working with
[99:10] them.
[99:10] >> We're almost out of time, but a a couple
[99:12] of housekeeping questions. The majority
[99:14] leader in the new Congress, we know
[99:16] Steny Hoyer wants it. John Murtha, an
[99:19] outspoken critic of the war in Iraq,
[99:21] wants it. Who do you want to be the
[99:23] majority leader?
[99:24] >> I haven't finished counting the votes
[99:26] from last night. We don't even know how
[99:27] many Democrats we have. We know it's in
[99:29] the mid to high 20s. Uh when we know who
[99:31] we are as a caucus, we can move forward
[99:33] with those races. Uh but right now uh
[99:36] right now we're not at a place where I
[99:38] would even talk about such.
[99:39] >> So you're not ready to endorse or
[99:41] support anyone at this point.
[99:42] >> I I don't even know completely who's
[99:44] running there. All kinds of ambition
[99:46] emerges uh after you win a majority as I
[99:49] am learning and so when we see all of
[99:51] that we'll go forward. But I will say
[99:52] though on the uh both of them have
[99:54] served our party very well. Uh Steny
[99:56] Hoyer I've known since we were interns
[99:58] and uh Senator Brewster's office here
[100:00] when I'm from Maryland as you know. And
[100:02] then um uh Jack Murtha performed a great
[100:06] service uh to the country in blowing the
[100:09] whistle on this war one year ago.
[100:10] >> And finally, can we assume that the
[100:12] ranking members now the minority members
[100:14] of the various committees will
[100:16] automatically step up and become the
[100:18] chairman of those committees?
[100:20] >> Well, again, that will be a decision of
[100:21] the House Democratic Caucus. merit,
[100:24] seniority, uh, diversity, and the
[100:27] support of the caucus are some of the
[100:29] criteria that are spelled out in our in
[100:32] our own rules. Um, most of them, I
[100:35] think, will pro go forward, but it I
[100:38] can't speak for the entire caucus.
[100:40] >> What about the intelligence committee?
[100:42] >> What about it?
[100:42] >> Do you think Jane Harmon would be the
[100:44] appropriate chair? Alsie Hastings would
[100:47] be the appropriate chairman. What you
[100:48] have to understand about the
[100:49] intelligence committee is this the
[100:51] speaker of the house and the minority
[100:53] leader on the first day of Congress
[100:55] appoint a whole new intelligence
[100:58] committee each term. Sometimes they
[101:00] reappoint the same people, sometimes
[101:02] they don't. But there is no seniority on
[101:04] the intelligence committee.
[101:05] >> Well, let me just congratulate you and
[101:07] wish you the best of luck. This is going
[101:09] to be an exciting ride. We started off
[101:10] that you're going to be the first woman
[101:12] to be the speaker of the house. So, you
[101:14] have an enormous amount of
[101:15] responsibility that comes with the job a
[101:17] little bit extra because you're making
[101:19] history.
[101:19] >> Well, I appreciate you're saying that
[101:20] and I think one of my first uh acts as
[101:24] post election will be to become a
[101:26] grandmother for the sixth time. We're
[101:27] anxiously awaiting the birth of our
[101:29] grandchild who's due uh the first week
[101:31] in November. So, uh a good omen we get
[101:35] ready for our new grandbaby as we get
[101:36] ready for a new Congress.
[101:38] >> Well, we we'll wish you only the best on
[101:40] that front as well.
[101:40] >> As well, thank you. Thank you, Wolf. And
[101:43] up next, the Virginia Senate race. The
[101:45] Senate's balance of power spins on the
[101:47] close contest. Our senior legal analyst,
[101:50] Jeffrey Tubin, will take us there and
[101:52] walk us through what's going on. Also,
[101:56] our senior political correspondent,
[101:57] Candy Crowley, will join us uh to uh
[101:59] prime the pump for 2008. All that coming
[102:02] up in our 700 p.m. Eastern hour. Stay
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[105:41] on, Lou? Well, thank you very much.
[105:44] Coming up at 6 p.m. Eastern here on CNN,
[105:46] we'll have the very latest on the
[105:48] resignation of Defense Secretary Donald
[105:50] Rumsfeld. We'll also be reporting on the
[105:52] likelihood of a recount in the Senate
[105:54] race in Virginia, a race that will
[105:56] determine who controls the US Senate.
[105:59] And Americans sending a powerful message
[106:02] to elected officials as the war on the
[106:05] middle class is escalating. Voters
[106:06] demanding an increase in the minimum
[106:08] wage, new measures to protect private
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[106:27] Lou, before I let you go, what do you
[106:29] make of this notion that there's
[106:30] probably going to be a recount in
[106:32] Virginia, about 7,000 votes separating
[106:35] George Allen and Jib Webb right now? Uh,
[106:38] is this a good idea for uh for you for
[106:41] Senator Allen to be asking for such a
[106:43] recount?
[106:43] >> Well, it's I I think in human nature
[106:46] terms and political terms, it is uh it's
[106:49] understandable. At the same time, we are
[106:52] being told by uh everyone from Common
[106:54] Cause to to e- voting machine experts uh
[106:58] that it's going to be a very difficult
[107:00] recount and could be uh tanamount to
[107:03] another Florida 2000 uh in Virginia this
[107:06] time. So, uh, you know, personally,
[107:08] Wolf, I would urge, uh, Senator Allen,
[107:11] and I would say this if the roles were
[107:13] reversed between he and James Webb, uh,
[107:15] I think the gracious and, uh, caring
[107:18] thing for this country would be, uh, to
[107:20] exceed to the will of the people and
[107:22] forego the recount. As difficult as that
[107:24] may be for him. This is a time in our
[107:27] country's history, Wolf, I, truly
[107:29] believe it's it's a time for
[107:30] graciousness. It's a time for class and
[107:33] forbearance of self-interest
[107:35] >> because the Republicans will argue it's
[107:37] not just Senator Allen's seat that's at
[107:39] stake. It's the Republican majority in
[107:41] the United States Senate. I think
[107:43] there's something else at stake as I I
[107:45] am in animating here, Wolf, and that is
[107:48] uh it's for the good of the country and
[107:50] it would be nice uh to see George Allen
[107:53] set a uh a solid foundation for the for
[107:56] the future uh for his future, for the
[107:59] Republican party's future, and for the
[108:00] good of the country uh and to forego
[108:02] that recount. Lou is going to be coming
[108:05] up right at the top of the hour and then
[108:06] he's going to be staying with us
[108:07] throughout our 700 p.m. hour as well.
[108:10] Lou working a little bit harder, but
[108:12] he's a young guy. He can certainly do
[108:13] that. Lou, thanks very much.
[108:16] >> Man, partner, it was great being with
[108:18] you throughout the election day and
[108:20] night and morning. Uh, you're the best.
[108:23] >> Well, thank you very much, Lou. We'll
[108:24] see you at the top of the hour. See you
[108:26] at 7:00 p.m. Eastern as well. Lou Dos,
[108:29] uh, coming up, let's check in with Zayn
[108:31] for a quick check of some other stories
[108:33] making news. Sing
[108:34] >> Wolf. For the first time in six years,
[108:36] the Supreme Court has heard oral
[108:38] arguments in a landmark abortion case.
[108:40] Justices today heard lawyers for the
[108:41] Bush administration and abortion rights
[108:43] groups debate the constitutionality of a
[108:45] federal law banning certain late term
[108:48] abortions. It's unclear how the court
[108:50] will rule or when. At one point, an
[108:52] anti-abortion protester was removed from
[108:54] the court chambers when he tried to
[108:55] disrupt proceedings.
[108:58] Life in prison for six murders in
[109:00] Maryland. That's the sentence delivered
[109:02] today to convicted sniper Lee Boyd
[109:04] Malvo, now 21. Malvo was one of two men
[109:07] found guilty of a three-week shooting
[109:09] sniper spree that terrorized suburban
[109:11] Washington DC. In all, 13 people were
[109:14] shot in the 2002 rampage. Malvo pleaded
[109:17] guilty last month to carrying out the
[109:19] spree with companion John Alan Muhammad,
[109:21] who's already been convicted.
[109:24] Israeli leaders have expressed regret of
[109:26] the deaths of civilians during an attack
[109:28] on Gaza today. 18 people, including
[109:30] eight children, were killed in the
[109:31] Israeli artillery barrage on a densely
[109:34] populated neighborhood. They were
[109:35] members of a prominent Palestinian
[109:37] extended family. The angry exiled leader
[109:40] of Hamas called off a ceasefire.
[109:42] Militants called for attacks on
[109:43] Americans. Hamas leaders in Gaza quickly
[109:46] distanced themselves from those calls.
[109:48] Wol,
[109:49] >> thanks very much, Zane, for that. Up
[109:51] ahead, what really happened yesterday?
[109:53] The former House Majority Leader Tom
[109:54] Delay says, and I'm quoting now, the
[109:56] Democrats didn't win, the Republicans
[109:58] lost. Jack Caferty asks, is he right?
[110:01] We're taking your email. And next, he's
[110:03] been their boss for 6 years. How are the
[110:05] armed forces taking news that Donald
[110:08] Rumsfeld is resigning? We'll check with
[110:10] the military blog. Stay with us. You're
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[113:09] >> Wolf, the former House Majority Leader,
[113:11] Tom Delay, crawled out of the woodwork
[113:13] this morning and made the following
[113:15] pronouncement. The Democrats didn't win,
[113:18] the Republicans lost. Do you think he's
[113:20] right in that assessment is the question
[113:22] we asked. Jonathan in Glen Falls, New
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[113:25] in the mix anymore. Or isn't he one of
[113:27] the main reasons that the GOP got
[113:29] slaughtered last night? Why is anyone
[113:32] giving this scandalous weasel any
[113:34] airtime at all? Deb writes from
[113:36] Wimberly, Texas. The Republicans lost
[113:38] because of those just like Tom Delay.
[113:41] The Democrats won because Americans are
[113:43] desperate for change and want some sort
[113:45] of hope for our future. Middle America
[113:48] and many others in this crazy world have
[113:50] lost a lot because of the neocons's
[113:52] fascist views of all of us. Tom Delay
[113:55] and his gerrymandering and his outright
[113:56] pandering to special interests have
[113:58] harmed many lowerincome Texans like my
[114:01] family. I hope Mr. Delay crawls back
[114:04] into the swamp he crawled out of so I
[114:06] never have to look upon his lizard face
[114:08] again. Jennifer in Ponttoalk,
[114:11] Mississippi. Tom Delay is right. It is
[114:13] certainly a great loss for us and it
[114:15] will make it harder for the president to
[114:17] get Congress to pass vital bills. Even
[114:19] though I'm a woman, I believe that men
[114:21] should be the leaders and I dislike the
[114:23] idea of a madam moderator in the House.
[114:26] Sue in Clarksville, Georgia, the
[114:28] Republicans didn't win. Neither did the
[114:29] Democrats. America won. It's time to
[114:32] realize our political parties need to
[114:34] work together for the welfare of America
[114:36] and not for the individual parties.
[114:37] That's the message Americans sent to
[114:39] Congress last night. And Chris in
[114:41] Warden, Illinois writes, "Jack, when the
[114:42] Cardinals won the World Series, you
[114:45] didn't hear the Tigers saying, "Oh, the
[114:46] Cards won just because we lost." That is
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[114:51] email here, you can go to
[114:52] cnn.com/cafertyfile
[114:54] and read some more of these online.
[114:56] Wolf.
[114:57] >> All right, Jack. Thank you. So, what are
[114:59] members of the United States military
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[118:30] resignation? And our internet reporter
[118:31] Jackie Shakar is monitoring the
[118:34] situation online. Jackie, what are you
[118:35] seeing?
[118:36] >> Wolf, we're starting to see reaction
[118:38] just coming in. We've got some from the
[118:40] front lines in Afghanistan from a sailor
[118:43] who's actually helping out with the US
[118:44] Army on the ground wondering about the
[118:46] overall change in leadership, not just
[118:48] Runsfeld leaving, but the Democrats
[118:50] coming in and wondering if this means
[118:52] now the development of an exit strategy.
[118:55] Really just curiosity and wonderment at
[118:57] this point. It's a little early to get
[118:58] reaction coming out of Iraqi blogs on
[119:00] the front lines or servicemen on the
[119:02] front lines just because the news broke
[119:03] so late in the day for them. But we are
[119:05] getting plenty of military bloggers here
[119:06] in the United States that are reacting.
[119:08] This is a a soldier who served in
[119:10] Romani. He was a sniper and he's now
[119:13] recovering from some wounds in New
[119:14] England. But he says this is a
[119:15] double-edged sword for him that for
[119:17] somebody who supports the war that uh
[119:19] it's tough to see the architect of the
[119:22] war depart. Now, we've also got Jim
[119:24] Hansen, or James Hamson, rather, who
[119:26] goes by Uncle Jimbo. He bugs at
[119:28] blackfive.net. He's retired special ops,
[119:30] and he's actually very angry at
[119:32] President Bush. He says, why not make
[119:34] this Runsfeld announcement before the
[119:36] election? Instead, he managed to
[119:38] alienate some moderate Democrats and
[119:40] Republicans who would otherwise be
[119:41] supportive of the war on terror, and
[119:43] he's very, very angry at the president
[119:45] for waiting on that one. And we've also
[119:47] got uh Patriot, who's an anonymous uh US
[119:49] Army. He 34 years old, blogging at a
[119:52] solders's perspective, talking about
[119:53] Robert Gates coming in, how it's
[119:55] actually going to be good to have
[119:55] somebody with military experience
[119:57] stepping in and somebody with the
[119:59] intelligence experience of the CIA, but
[120:01] they're saying if it wasn't somebody who
[120:02] was military, Wolf, that Romsfeld was a
[120:04] good one.
[120:06] >> Jackie, thank you very much. And we'll
[120:08] be back in 1 hour and much more of our
[120:10] coverage coming up. In the meantime,
[120:11] let's go to Lou in New York. Lou,
[120:13] >> thank you. Wolf. Tonight, Defense
[120:15] Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has abruptly
[120:17] resigned one day after the Democrats
[120:20] seize control of the House of
[120:21] Representatives and apparently the US
[120:24] Senate as well. But will President Bush
[120:26] change US strategy in Iraq? We'll have
[120:29] complete coverage for you here tonight.
[120:31] And Democrats celebrate their victory in
[120:33] the House and they are obviously on the
[120:35] verge of winning the Senate as well.
[120:37] Democrats say they will launch a bold
[120:40] series of reforms in their first 100
[120:42] hours. We'll have that story a great
[120:45] deal more straight ahead here tonight.
[120:49] >> This is a special edition of Lou Dos
[120:51] tonight. America Votes 2006 live from
[120:55] CNN's election headquarters in New York.
[120:57] Here now, Lou Dos.
[121:00] >> Good evening everybody. President Bush
[121:02] today announced the resignation of
[121:03] Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and he
[121:06] admitted the Republican party received
[121:08] what he called a thumping in the
[121:10] election. President Bush acknowledged
[121:12] that the Democratic victory indicates
[121:14] voters are unhappy about the progress of
[121:17] the war in Iraq. The Democrats now
[121:19] control the House of Representatives for
[121:21] the first time in 12 years. They also
[121:24] stand a strong chance of soon winning
[121:26] the Senate. Only one Senate seat remains
[121:30] uh too close to call. A projected winner
[121:33] not in place yet. The battle in Virginia
[121:35] between Senator George Allen and James
[121:38] Webb. Suzan Malvo reports from the White
[121:40] House tonight on the sudden resignation
[121:43] of the defense secretary. Dana Bash
[121:45] reports tonight from Capitol Hill on
[121:47] Democratic reaction to Donald Rumsfeld's
[121:50] resignation and their ambitious plans to
[121:52] introduce new legislation. And Jamie
[121:54] McIntyre reports from the Pentagon on
[121:56] whether US strategy in Iraq is likely to
[121:59] change after this election. We'll also
[122:02] be talking with three of the country's
[122:04] brightest political analysts. We begin
[122:06] with Suzan Malvo at the White House.
[122:09] Suzan,
[122:10] >> well Lou, Donald Rumsfeld is out. Bob
[122:12] Gates is in. It really was a stunning
[122:15] turnaround. It had much of Washington in
[122:16] disbelief. That news breaking of
[122:19] blackberries buzzing right before the
[122:20] president's news conference in the East
[122:22] Room this afternoon. It was just last
[122:24] week. President Bush in print interviews
[122:27] reassured reporters that Don Rumsfeld
[122:29] was here to stay through the remainder
[122:31] of his term. Uh, President Bush today
[122:33] making a public announcement saying in
[122:35] fact that the opposite was true and he
[122:37] did acknowledge that he had been less
[122:39] than forthcoming with reporters that in
[122:41] fact he and Rumsfeld had had a series of
[122:43] discussions about the potential for him
[122:45] stepping down and it was on Sunday that
[122:48] the president met with Rumsfeld's
[122:50] possible replacement. by sending she a
[122:53] demand for
[122:55] >> in this time of war. The president
[122:56] relies on the secretary of defense to
[122:58] provide military advice and direct our
[123:00] nation's armed forces as they engage our
[123:03] enemies across the world.
[123:06] Secretary of Defense must be a man of
[123:07] vision who can see threats still over
[123:10] the horizon and prepare our nation to
[123:12] meet them. Bob Gates is the right man to
[123:15] meet both of these critical challenges.
[123:19] And President Bush said that he did not
[123:21] actually uh acknowledge that he was
[123:23] thinking about replacing Rumsfeld
[123:25] publicly because he didn't want to
[123:26] inject a major decision in the campaign,
[123:28] that it wasn't political. But Lou, of
[123:30] course, part of the decision was
[123:32] pragmatic, part of it was consiliatory,
[123:34] and a big part also political. Uh this
[123:37] uh election was widely seen as a
[123:38] referendum on the Iraq war and the
[123:40] president and quietly quietly the
[123:42] Republican strategists as well as
[123:44] lawmakers who were telling the White
[123:46] House they needed to do something
[123:47] dramatic and to do it quickly. Lou
[123:53] >> it's been quite a time. It it recalls to
[123:56] mind the statement by Winston Churchill
[123:59] something to the effect that I have
[124:02] benefited greatly from criticism.
[124:06] And at no time have I suffered a lack
[124:09] thereof.
[124:12] >> And Lou, of course, Bob Gates will have
[124:14] to go through a process, the Senate
[124:16] approving him, and that Senate
[124:18] composition could change depending on
[124:20] the kind of information we get perhaps
[124:22] the next couple of weeks, whether the
[124:23] Democrats as well will take control of
[124:26] that chamber. Lou,
[124:27] >> thank you very much. Susan Malvo from
[124:29] the White House. The resignation of
[124:31] Donald Rumsfeld is unlikely to lead to
[124:33] any major changes in US strategy in
[124:36] Iraq, at least in the short term. Nearly
[124:39] 150,000 of our troops are fighting
[124:40] insurgents and terrorists in Iraq. Jimmy
[124:43] McIntyre reports from the Pentagon now.
[124:46] Jimmy, just what effect, if any, will
[124:48] the resignation of the defense secretary
[124:50] have on the management, the conduct of
[124:53] this war? Well, Lou, it's interesting
[124:55] that President Bush said in his private
[124:57] conversations with Rumsfeld that
[124:58] Rumsfeld himself admitted that the war
[125:01] in Iraq needed a fresh perspective. He
[125:04] said that uh Rumsfeld himself
[125:06] understands that Iraq is not working
[125:09] well enough, fast enough. Uh and that
[125:11] played into President Bush's decision to
[125:14] replace his embattled defense chief. He
[125:17] claims even before he knew the results
[125:19] of Tuesday's elections. Uh Rumsel always
[125:22] said he served at the pleasure of the
[125:23] president and as he was leaving said
[125:26] that he felt the war on terror was
[125:28] misunderstood.
[125:29] But by selecting Bob Gates, the former
[125:32] CIA chief, Bush appears to be signaling
[125:35] that he's going to be giving more weight
[125:37] to the recommendations of the Iraq Study
[125:39] Group headed by former Secretary of
[125:41] State Jim Baker and former Congressman
[125:43] Lee Hamilton. Gates was a member of that
[125:46] group and he as part of that received
[125:49] briefings from US commanders uh in Iraq
[125:51] and had a good handle on where the
[125:53] recommendations of that group were
[125:54] going. But Rumsfeld's departure was
[125:57] greeted both by Republicans and
[126:00] Democrats as something that was an
[126:02] opportunity for a fresh start and in a
[126:05] way it was smart politics as well
[126:07] because it puts uh the onus takes away
[126:10] an issue for the Democrats and puts the
[126:12] onus on them to cooperate on the way
[126:14] ahead in Iraq. So I think we will see
[126:16] some kind of course correction in the
[126:17] days and weeks ahead. Lou,
[126:19] >> thank you very much. Jamie McIntyre from
[126:21] the Pentagon. Insurgents in Iraq have
[126:23] killed two more of our troops. A Marine
[126:26] killed in Alanbar province west of
[126:28] Baghdad. A soldier killed near Kirkook
[126:31] in northern Iraq. 2,839
[126:36] of our troops have now been killed.
[126:38] 21,572
[126:40] of our troops wounded. Of those, 9,820
[126:44] seriously.
[126:46] Turning to the outcome of the election
[126:48] and the new balance of power in
[126:50] Congress. In the House, the Democrats
[126:52] are now in control with a net gain of 29
[126:56] seats, giving them a 229
[126:59] seat position. The Republicans had a net
[127:02] loss of 28 seats and in the Senate, a
[127:04] net gain of five seats, for the
[127:06] Democrats, giving them 50 seats. The
[127:09] Republicans have had a net decline of
[127:11] five seats, leaving them with only 48.
[127:15] But control of the Senate hangs on one
[127:17] race that remains undecided. All eyes
[127:20] now on Virginia as Democratic challenger
[127:22] James Webb holds on to a slight lead
[127:25] over incumbent Senator George Allen.
[127:27] We'll be going live to Virginia later
[127:29] here in this broadcast. And Democrats
[127:32] believe voter anger and frustration with
[127:34] the president's conduct of the war was a
[127:35] major factor behind their victory.
[127:38] Democrats say the resignation of Donald
[127:40] Rumsfeld is an important first step, but
[127:42] they say the Bush administration must do
[127:44] far more to address voter concerns about
[127:46] the war. Dana Bash reports from Capitol
[127:49] Hill.
[127:51] >> Democrats call their election night
[127:53] sweep a mandate for change in Iraq.
[127:56] >> Nowhere was the call for a new direction
[127:58] more clear from the American people uh
[128:01] than in the war in Iraq.
[128:03] >> They didn't have to wait long to see the
[128:05] spoils of their victories. Just as
[128:07] Democratic leaders sat down for a
[128:09] celebratory photo op, they got the news.
[128:11] Donald Rumsfeld was fired. It will give
[128:14] a fresh start to finding a solution uh
[128:17] to Iraq rather than staying the course.
[128:21] >> If the vote of last night
[128:24] from all over America
[128:28] didn't accomplish anything but this, it
[128:30] was a good night.
[128:31] >> But beyond the Rumsfeld bombshell,
[128:33] Democrats all but acknowledged even with
[128:35] control of the House and maybe the
[128:37] Senate, there is only so much they can
[128:39] do to change Iraq policy. the president
[128:42] is the president of the United States. I
[128:44] hope that he will listen to the voices
[128:46] of the people and that again putting
[128:49] aside partisanship and looking to a
[128:51] partnership uh to to end this war.
[128:54] >> That's part of the double-barreled
[128:56] approach set by the presumptive House
[128:58] Speaker. A pledge for bipartisanship
[129:00] along with a firm promise to push for
[129:02] new policies. Beyond Iraq, Nancy Pelosi
[129:05] has an ambitious agenda. In the first
[129:08] 100 hours, she wants to raise the
[129:10] minimum wage to 725 an hour, enact
[129:13] recommendations from the 911 commission,
[129:16] cut interest rates for student loans,
[129:18] try to lower prescription drug prices
[129:20] under Medicare, and more. Democrats also
[129:23] promise new strict oversight of the Bush
[129:26] White House. But the woman whose new
[129:28] caucus will be made up of many
[129:29] conservative Democrats from red
[129:31] districts also tried to allay concerns
[129:34] about her liberal roots. I know
[129:37] understand my role as leader of the
[129:39] Democrats, but even more important than
[129:41] that, I very very very much respect that
[129:45] I will be the speaker of the house, not
[129:47] of the Democrats.
[129:50] Now, Pelosi will of course have to deal
[129:52] with Republicans here too once they sift
[129:54] through the wreckage of their losses.
[129:56] Several angry rank and file Republicans
[129:59] said today that its party lost its way
[130:02] and that the Republicans got what they
[130:04] deserved. And a few of those
[130:05] Republicans, Lou, say that they're going
[130:07] to run for leadership positions because
[130:09] it's time for a change there, too. Lou,
[130:12] >> Dana, thank you very much. Dana Bash
[130:13] from Capitol Hill. Joining me now,
[130:16] Republican strategist Ed Rollins, former
[130:18] White House political director, Errol
[130:19] Lewis, columnist at the New York Daily
[130:21] News, and editorial board member and
[130:24] Democratic strategist, Democratic
[130:25] National Committee member, Robert
[130:27] Zimmerman. I I think it's only
[130:29] appropriate, Robert, we begin with you
[130:30] tonight. uh congratulations on what uh
[130:33] it was an overwhelming victory.
[130:34] >> On behalf of my party, I thank you.
[130:37] >> Now, how much of that is uh that victory
[130:40] is to the credit of the party and how
[130:42] much of it is, do you think uh uh blamed
[130:46] appropriately upon the Bush
[130:48] administration and a Congress,
[130:50] congressional leadership that failed to
[130:52] meet the expectations of voters? You
[130:54] know something? With all the frustration
[130:55] and all the anxiety about the Bush
[130:57] agenda, the bottom line is if you didn't
[130:59] have a Democratic party that was
[131:01] prepared to be a 50-state party, we
[131:03] would not have been competitive. I
[131:04] really have to give credit to Howard
[131:06] Dean and Rahm Emanuel and Chuck Schumer
[131:08] in their sele and their selection of
[131:10] candidates and in Dean strategy of
[131:12] building a Democratic party that was
[131:13] competitive in 50 states. It wasn't just
[131:16] the victories that we had, it's where we
[131:17] won them in states that really were for
[131:20] many years off limits. single Democratic
[131:22] incumbent
[131:23] >> lost his or her seat.
[131:25] >> That's exactly right.
[131:25] >> I mean, that's remarkable, Ed
[131:26] Rollinsson.
[131:27] >> That's that's unbelievable. And and I
[131:29] think I think to their credit, uh, you
[131:31] know, first of all, the absurdity to me
[131:33] is, as I've said on this show many
[131:34] times, why the president allowed them to
[131:37] dictate the agenda. And if he was
[131:40] willing to dump Rumsfeld, which
[131:42] obviously he was willing to do today,
[131:44] why didn't he do it two months ago? Why
[131:46] didn't he give uh uh Republicans an
[131:48] opportunity to basically say things were
[131:50] going to be different in a second term?
[131:51] And I think that may have made some
[131:53] difference. It certainly would have
[131:54] changed the overall dynamics, but to
[131:55] wait till today to do this and to
[131:57] basically mislead the press last week on
[131:59] doing this convinced a lot of voters
[132:01] that he was trying to sell the war and
[132:03] he couldn't sell the war and nothing was
[132:05] going to be any different. And he forced
[132:06] a lot of Republicans to run under that
[132:08] banner and that was a destructive
[132:10] banner. When you say basically mislead
[132:13] the press last week, uh
[132:14] >> told him he was keeping Rumsville to the
[132:16] end. And that's that's not an honest
[132:17] statement.
[132:18] >> It's not. And I think that maybe uh it
[132:20] could also be framed as a straight out
[132:22] lie. Uh you have to give him credit for
[132:24] being candid about the fact he lied, but
[132:26] he straightforwardly lied. Uh Errol, let
[132:28] me ask you this. This uh this election
[132:31] uh has produced obviously euphoria on
[132:34] the part of the Democratic party, some
[132:35] dispondency amongst Republicans. uh
[132:38] where does it move us uh in terms of the
[132:41] common good, the national interest uh in
[132:43] in the interests that are that are most
[132:46] uh uh important that is the quality of
[132:48] life for middle class Americans, a
[132:50] standard of living uh these basic
[132:53] issues.
[132:53] >> Well, there are there are some of those
[132:55] that are going to get dealt with
[132:56] allegedly in the first 100 hours and
[132:57] it'll be good to see whether or not we
[132:58] finally get some progress on the minimum
[133:00] wage. What the president said by way of
[133:02] offering an olive branch in his press
[133:03] conference today suggested that he might
[133:05] uh help move it along. So that that'll
[133:08] affect 7 million people right off the
[133:10] bat. So there could be some progress
[133:12] right in in that area. But there are
[133:14] other issues like stem cell research
[133:15] that really haven't been fought out. You
[133:17] know, the the uh the Senate race out
[133:19] Missouri
[133:20] >> in Missouri arguably the margin of
[133:22] victory for the Democrat there, Clare
[133:23] Macascal, was pretty much the same as an
[133:25] initiative on stem cell research, but
[133:27] that's not a national consensus. That's
[133:29] not a national battle. and we'll see if
[133:31] some of these other things get moved on
[133:33] or if indeed this becomes yet another
[133:35] fight over the conduct of the war in
[133:37] Iraq.
[133:37] >> Okay. Our uh our panel will be with us
[133:40] throughout the broadcast uh as we
[133:42] examine the issues and the events of the
[133:44] day. We'll also be joined here later.
[133:47] Two retired military commanders who have
[133:49] publicly called for Donald Rumsfeld's
[133:51] resignation in criticism of his conduct
[133:54] of the war uh in Iraq. Christine Romans
[133:57] joins us here to report on voters
[134:00] powerful message to Washington DC about
[134:02] the escalating war on the middle class
[134:04] and will the Democratic victory make it
[134:07] easier for President Bush to push his
[134:09] amnesty agenda for illegal aliens
[134:11] through Congress? We'll have that
[134:13] special report and the battle to control
[134:15] the US Senate hanging in the balance.
[134:18] Senator George Allen, Democratic
[134:19] challenger James Webb,
[134:22] they're tied almost. We'll have a live
[134:25] report for you from Richmond, Virginia.
[134:26] Here next. Stay with us.
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[137:11] Welcome back to our special election
[137:13] coverage tonight. President Bush today
[137:16] at a news conference said recent
[137:18] success, as he put it, on achieving
[137:20] border security will bring the new
[137:23] Congress aboard when he presents his
[137:25] comprehensive immigration reform
[137:27] proposals.
[137:30] show me progress on the border and then
[137:32] we'd be interested in talking about
[137:34] other aspects. Well, there is progress
[137:36] being made on the on the border in terms
[137:37] of security and I would hope we can get
[137:38] something done. It's a vital issue. It's
[137:40] an issue that there's an issue where I
[137:42] believe we can find some common ground
[137:44] with the Democrats.
[137:46] >> In fact, the president saying it's going
[137:48] to be much easier to get through his uh
[137:50] comprehensive immigration reform with a
[137:52] Democratic Congress than it was with a
[137:54] Republican Congress. But in the states
[137:57] that must deal with illegal immigration
[137:59] each and every day, voters are taking a
[138:01] much firmer line. And a new balance of
[138:04] power in Congress may bring new federal
[138:06] action on illegal immigration. Despite
[138:09] the president's position, Casey Wyan
[138:11] reports tonight on efforts in Arizona
[138:13] and Colorado to restrict the flow of
[138:15] taxpayer money to illegal aliens. Lisa
[138:18] Sylvester reports tonight on how illegal
[138:21] immigration reform will fare in a new
[138:24] Congress. We begin with Casey Wy in Los
[138:26] Angeles. Casey
[138:28] >> Lou, despite the Democratic takeover of
[138:30] Congress, most lawmakers who support
[138:32] strong border security survived the
[138:35] midterm elections
[138:38] >> to have papers to vote.
[138:39] >> San Diego Republican Brian Bily's
[138:42] message of border security first
[138:44] delivered a convincing victory over
[138:46] Democrat Francine Busby, who infamously
[138:48] told an audience of immigrants, "You
[138:50] don't need papers for voting. Illegal
[138:52] immigration is an issue that um you just
[138:55] can't ignore and you can't look the
[138:57] other way and you darn well shouldn't be
[138:59] rewarding them with uh an amnesty or
[139:01] with voting.
[139:02] >> Fellow Border Security Californians Ed
[139:04] Royce and 2008 presidential candidate
[139:07] Duncan Hunter also won easily. Michael
[139:10] McCall and Ted Poe from Texas retained
[139:12] their seats as did Colorado's Tom
[139:14] Tenredo and Iowa's Steve King. However,
[139:17] a Minuteman Project endorsement failed
[139:19] to save Indiana's John Hostettler and
[139:22] Arizona lost border security advocate
[139:24] Randy Graph and apparently JD Hworth
[139:26] who's refusing to concede despite a
[139:28] preliminary four-point deficit. Illegal
[139:31] immigration was by far the most
[139:32] important issue to Arizona voters. They
[139:34] passed Propositions 100, denying illegal
[139:37] alien felony suspects bail 102, barring
[139:40] them from collecting punitive damages in
[139:42] civil lawsuits. 103 declaring English
[139:46] Arizona's official language and 300
[139:48] restricting state funded adult education
[139:51] and child care to citizens and legal
[139:53] residents. All received more than 70% of
[139:56] the vote.
[139:57] >> This is not a silver bullet. It's not
[139:59] going to solve the problem. Uh but it
[140:02] definitely helps.
[140:03] >> Colorado's referendum disallowing
[140:05] illegal alien wages as a business
[140:06] expense is narrowly ahead. and another
[140:09] measure ordering the state to sue the
[140:10] federal government to enforce its own
[140:12] immigration laws easily passed. Now,
[140:15] it's clear border security hawks still
[140:17] have plenty of political power. Illegal
[140:20] immigration was the number one issue for
[140:22] California voters and they reelected
[140:24] proborder security governor Arnold
[140:26] Schwarzenegger in a landslide. Lou,
[140:28] >> thank you very much. Casey Wyan from Los
[140:30] Angeles. President Bush may believe that
[140:33] the new Congress will approve his
[140:35] comprehensive immigration reform
[140:37] proposals, but there are indications the
[140:39] president's plan to give amnesty may
[140:42] still face considerable congressional
[140:44] hurdles. Lisa Sylvester reports.
[140:49] >> The Democratic pickup of House seats may
[140:51] not be enough to guarantee passage of
[140:53] comprehensive immigration reform pushed
[140:56] by the president and the open borders
[140:58] advocates because of the numbers. You're
[141:01] still going to need 60 70 Republicans in
[141:04] the House, 10, 20 Republicans in the
[141:06] Senate.
[141:07] >> It's not a given that those votes are
[141:09] there. Many of the Democratic newcomers
[141:11] in the 110th Congress are more
[141:13] conservative on immigration than the
[141:15] 109th Congress. Democrats in close races
[141:19] who took a tough stand on border
[141:20] enforcement include Missouri's Claire
[141:22] McKascal and Pennsylvania's Jason
[141:25] Altmire. Not a single Democrat ran for
[141:28] reelection promising a big amnesty, a
[141:31] guest worker program, or flooding uh
[141:34] middle class jobs with foreign workers.
[141:36] Not one. It would be the height of
[141:38] cynicism for the Democrats to turn
[141:39] around and do that. We have to assume
[141:41] that while we lost some moderate
[141:43] Republicans, we gained some moderate
[141:44] Democrats. The biggest challenge for
[141:47] opponents of a guest worker amnesty plan
[141:49] will be the House leadership change.
[141:52] Congressman James Sensen Brener, a
[141:54] strong opponent of a comprehensive
[141:56] immigration plan, will likely be
[141:58] replaced by Representative John Conurs,
[142:01] who is a strong advocate for the
[142:03] comprehensive approach. Indiana's John
[142:05] Hostettler, who chaired the immigration
[142:07] and border security subcommittee and
[142:10] opposed open borders, lost his race. His
[142:13] position could be filled by
[142:14] Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee,
[142:16] another ardent supporter of the
[142:18] comprehensive plan.
[142:20] At least for now, it doesn't appear that
[142:22] Democrats are willing to revisit the
[142:24] immigration issue anytime soon. House
[142:26] Democrats put out a list of the issues
[142:27] they will tackle first. Middle class
[142:30] concerns top the agenda, and the guest
[142:32] worker amnesty plan was not included,
[142:34] Lou.
[142:35] >> And of course, the importation of cheap
[142:37] uh uh foreign labor is chief among those
[142:40] concerns for the middle class. Thank you
[142:42] very much, Lisa Sylvester. Uh let's turn
[142:45] now, if I may, to our panel. Uh well,
[142:48] first of all, I mean, what's your
[142:49] reaction? Do you think that uh the
[142:51] Democrats are going to make uh uh the
[142:53] amnesty agenda uh their own?
[142:55] >> Uh I think they're going to take their
[142:57] own approach to it. I think they're it's
[142:58] going to be very much more lenient than
[143:00] what we saw in the last Congress because
[143:01] while some moderate Democrats got
[143:03] elected by being tough on border
[143:04] security, there are many more people and
[143:06] we just saw some of their faces in the
[143:07] Black Caucus, in the Hispanic caucus, uh
[143:09] who have very deep attachments to uh pro
[143:13] uh open borders
[143:15] >> and uh those open borders amnesty
[143:17] advocates. Uh, in point of fact, uh,
[143:20] doesn't sound like they're paying a lot
[143:22] of attention here, Robert Zimmerman, to
[143:24] what happened, uh, to this Republican
[143:26] Congress, ignoring the will of the
[143:27] people.
[143:28] >> I think, Earl, you're underestimating
[143:29] the Democratic the new de the new
[143:31] Democratic members of Congress and also
[143:32] the agenda of the Democratic Congress.
[143:34] Border port security has been one of the
[143:36] top priorities. Putting in place the
[143:38] 9/11 Commission recommendations has been
[143:40] critical, and you're not going to see a
[143:42] Democratic Congress ignore or be for
[143:45] open borders and open ports. the
[143:46] president tries to push through this
[143:48] with Democrat support, he might as well
[143:50] move in Pelosy's office, the speaker's
[143:51] office, because he's going to have no
[143:52] support from Republicans who feel that
[143:54] he basically led them over the cliff
[143:56] yesterday and he might as well just pack
[143:58] his bags cuz the next two years he'll
[144:00] have no Republican support on any major
[144:01] issues. I wonder if many members of the
[144:03] House of Representatives particularly
[144:04] and I think he less led them over the
[144:06] cliff than uh push them toward that
[144:08] cliff uh on issues like uh comprehensive
[144:12] immigration reform where he aligned with
[144:14] 31 Democrats in the Senate to get his
[144:16] legislation through.
[144:17] >> I think there's a lot of nashing of the
[144:18] teeth and a lot of second guessing today
[144:20] of of the strategy or lack of strategy
[144:22] in this campaign.
[144:23] >> I think also the bottom line is even his
[144:25] strategy for the fence along the Mexican
[144:27] border turned out to be deceitful.
[144:28] Neither the money nor the legislation's
[144:31] been put in place to implement that
[144:32] bill.
[144:33] >> Robert Zimmerman, thank you very much.
[144:35] We'll be back with these three gentlemen
[144:36] throughout the broadcast. Next, how the
[144:38] middle class fared in this election and
[144:41] the results of the Virginia Senate race
[144:44] still in the air. Control of the Senate
[144:45] hanging in the balance. We'll have a
[144:47] live report for you from Virginia. And
[144:49] just last week, President Bush voiced
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[144:53] Today, his Secretary of Defense is
[144:56] Adios. We'll hear from two former
[144:58] military commanders who've been calling
[145:01] for his resignation. Stay with us.
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[147:23] beginning 7 Eastern.
[147:28] Voters across this country vented their
[147:30] frustration, their anger, and they sent
[147:33] a very strong message to Washington. In
[147:35] ballot initiatives all across the
[147:37] country, voters fought back to gain
[147:39] ground in the war on the middle class.
[147:41] Christine Romans reports.
[147:45] What voters did here will make a big
[147:48] difference here. The message doesn't get
[147:50] louder or clearer than this. Six more
[147:53] states raise the minimum wage. A clear
[147:56] majority of states declaring the federal
[147:58] wage of 515 an hour is simply not enough
[148:02] for working families.
[148:03] >> The minimum wage has eroded to uh the
[148:06] lowest level adjusted for average wages
[148:09] in about a half a century. The business
[148:12] community has long opposed higher
[148:14] minimum wages, preferring instead low
[148:16] taxes and less regulation.
[148:18] >> When you increase the minimum wage, you
[148:21] increase the cost of doing business. And
[148:22] that that's kind of tough.
[148:24] >> Voters overwhelmingly disagreed. And in
[148:28] 10 states this fall, they offered a
[148:30] sharp rebuke of last year's unpopular
[148:32] Supreme Court decision, which allowed
[148:35] private homes to be raised for
[148:37] commercial development. They basically
[148:39] say that the government can't take
[148:40] property for economic development. So,
[148:42] they can't take your house and turn it
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[148:49] further, requiring compensation for
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[149:12] all of these people have better
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[149:16] at least to me and that is when when the
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[149:34] uh you know, we're going to see some
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[149:39] Congress uh led by the Democrats awakens
[149:42] to the the needs of middle class
[149:44] Americans. Christine, thank you very
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[152:41] Tonight, control of the Senate hangs in
[152:43] the balance on the outcome of the
[152:45] Virginia Senate race between George
[152:47] Allen and James Webb. Almost 24 hours
[152:51] after the polls close, there still is no
[152:53] winner. Ed Henry is in Richmond,
[152:55] Virginia, and has the latest for us. Ed,
[152:57] are you starting to see a lot of lawyers
[152:59] roll into town?
[153:01] >> Oh, yeah. On both sides. Lou, in fact,
[153:03] these candidates, as you know, were
[153:04] already on a collision course. Charges
[153:06] of racism and sexism flying back and
[153:08] forth. But now both sides are in fact
[153:10] bringing in the lawyers, getting ready
[153:12] for the possibility of this getting even
[153:14] uglier now that so much is at stake,
[153:17] control of the US Senate itself. The
[153:19] Democrat Jim Webb now has a lead of
[153:21] about 7,000 votes and he's trying to
[153:23] create an aura of inevitability. He's
[153:25] calling himself senator elect. He's
[153:26] making preparations to land himself a
[153:28] capital office. But just in case, he has
[153:31] started gathering volunteers and lawyers
[153:33] to prepare for the possibility of a
[153:35] bitter recount fight. Senator Allen,
[153:37] meanwhile, conceded nothing uh last
[153:39] night on election night. Uh said that
[153:41] the vote counting has to continue. He
[153:43] has his own team of lawyers and
[153:44] strategists. It's led by Ed Gillespie,
[153:46] the former Republican National Committee
[153:48] chairman. He's a veteran of the 2000
[153:50] recount uh fight down in Florida. Uh at
[153:53] this point, what we're seeing is a
[153:54] statemandated review uh of the official
[153:57] vote count. That is not decided by
[153:59] either campaign. That was already in
[154:00] place. It goes on for about a week. For
[154:02] now, the Allen camp is leaving open the
[154:05] possibility of a recount down the road,
[154:07] but all signs are starting to point uh a
[154:10] lot of Democrats saying they don't think
[154:12] Allen will have a recount, really a case
[154:14] to launch a recount fight after that.
[154:17] And even Republicans privately
[154:19] suggesting that they really don't think
[154:20] at this point, barring some major
[154:22] development in in some sort of a voting
[154:25] uh miscue or something, uh the bottom
[154:27] line is most people are expecting that
[154:28] at some point the senator will in fact
[154:31] concede.
[154:32] Thank you very much. Ed Henry from
[154:34] Richmond, Virginia. What's happening in
[154:36] Virginia and problems in a number of
[154:38] other states confirms some of the worst
[154:40] fears of voting activists about e voting
[154:43] machines. Kenny Pilgrim reports.
[154:48] >> In Virginia, a tight race and no voter
[154:50] verified paper trail. It's something
[154:52] voter activists have been warning about
[154:54] all along. over 75% of the votes that
[154:57] were cast uh yesterday uh in Virginia
[155:00] were cast on machines that do not
[155:02] provide an independent means of
[155:03] verification. So there's no way to do a
[155:06] really meaningful recount. Um if uh
[155:10] Senator Allen requests a recount, uh all
[155:13] he can get is a reprint.
[155:15] >> Virginia based activists say efforts to
[155:17] enact paper trail legislation failed
[155:20] last year. There's no evidence of how
[155:22] the voter originally voted, what their
[155:24] intent was. All we have is an electronic
[155:26] record that you just look at the
[155:28] printouts from the machines and total
[155:30] those up and make sure that you didn't
[155:32] miss any machines. So that's why it's
[155:34] it's really a reti. It's not a recount.
[155:37] >> Activists warned of this and worse, the
[155:40] use of widespread electronic voting
[155:42] across the country had sporadic problems
[155:45] and a few hot spots. In Kyhoga County,
[155:48] Ohio, with a checkered history of
[155:50] electronic voting, the problems were not
[155:52] entirely worked out.
[155:54] >> The ballot has been cancelled,
[155:56] >> but election officials managed the
[155:58] problems well.
[155:59] >> They're trying to send a technician out
[156:00] here.
[156:01] >> In Maryland, also long lines.
[156:03] >> Our machines are never perfect, and uh
[156:06] some of them did give some of the judges
[156:08] a harder time, but overall, we seem to
[156:10] be doing very well. Denver had hour-long
[156:13] lines by mid-afternoon because of
[156:15] problems with electronic registration.
[156:17] Several jurisdictions in numerous
[156:19] states, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana,
[156:22] North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and
[156:24] South Carolina, moved to keep polls open
[156:27] later to accommodate voters. In Florida,
[156:30] Republican Vern Buchanan's win over
[156:32] Democrat Christine Jennings less than
[156:34] 400 votes appears to be headed for a
[156:36] recount. and that would also face
[156:38] technical problems because of the
[156:40] touchscreen technology without a paper
[156:42] trail.
[156:43] >> Thank you very much, Kitty. Joining us
[156:46] now to discuss what is to be done about
[156:48] the turmoil, the uncertainty in
[156:51] Virginia, Shelley Pingry. She is the
[156:53] president of the voter advocacy group,
[156:55] uh, among other things, the group Common
[156:57] Cause, and our senior legal analyst,
[157:00] Jeffrey Tubin. Uh, Shelley, let me turn
[157:02] to you. Is there any prospect you in
[157:05] your judgment that Virginia could turn
[157:07] into the 2006 version of Florida 2000?
[157:11] >> Well, I think it is. I actually think
[157:13] it's the poster child for what's wrong
[157:15] with electronic voting in this country.
[157:17] You may have a recount called for here.
[157:19] And in fact, as some of your earlier
[157:20] spokespeople said, all they're going to
[157:22] get is somewhat of a retalling. There's
[157:24] going to be a tremendous amount of
[157:25] frustration. And I think it will add to
[157:27] the cry of why don't we have electronic
[157:29] voting machines with paper trails that
[157:31] you can verify.
[157:32] >> Uh Jeffrey Tubin, we just heard Ed
[157:35] Henry's report. You just heard what
[157:37] Shelley Pingry said. Uh what are the
[157:39] prospects?
[157:40] >> Well, uh Allen clearly has the legal
[157:42] right to ask for a recount. But what
[157:44] we've learned just last year in Virginia
[157:47] is that not much happens in a recount
[157:49] with these kind of machines. There was a
[157:52] recount in the attorney general's race
[157:53] last year. It took a very long time. It
[157:56] went from election day the first week of
[157:58] November to December 22nd. But it only
[158:01] shifted 37 votes because it's not, as
[158:04] Kitty's report suggested, it's not a
[158:06] real recount. It's simply looking at the
[158:08] numbers that were already printed and
[158:11] just checking that you got the right
[158:13] numbers. You're not looking at ballots.
[158:14] >> Uh Shelley, let me ask you this. I if
[158:17] are we basically because there is no
[158:19] what's called verified uh uh voter paper
[158:22] trail voter verified uh paper audit
[158:25] trail uh are we basically in the
[158:27] situation where we're going to be
[158:28] reliant upon the manufacturers of those
[158:30] machines to say you know these are good
[158:32] numbers these are bad numbers the votes
[158:34] were accurately tall
[158:36] >> yeah and what a horrible position to be
[158:38] in I mean you already have there's a
[158:40] high level of voter distrust in this
[158:41] country and uh we can't get inside the
[158:44] machine in fact most people state we
[158:45] know more about what goes goes on inside
[158:47] of gambling machines than we do in our
[158:48] electronic voting machines.
[158:50] >> Uh Jeffrey Tubin, how in the world I
[158:53] mean u you know there are all sorts of
[158:55] considerations in this but without that
[158:57] verified paper audit trail we're sort of
[159:00] up a creek here.
[159:01] >> This is the another reflection of what
[159:03] went on in Florida in in 2000.
[159:05] Government spends money on things that
[159:08] people pressure government to spend
[159:09] money on. There's no real constituency
[159:11] for elections. It's the the benefits are
[159:14] too general. There's no advocacy group.
[159:16] There's no labor union. There's no
[159:17] business that says you must spend money.
[159:19] So, they do it on the cheap and they do
[159:21] it badly.
[159:22] >> Uh on the cheap, just about $2.5 billion
[159:25] for the Help America Vote Act. All that
[159:27] spread around all of these districts. Uh
[159:30] but I understand cheap by Washington
[159:31] standards. That's cheap. Uh Shelley,
[159:34] Common Cause going to be pushing hard uh
[159:36] to make sure we don't uh well, we're
[159:39] going to run into problems without
[159:40] question, but that uh we run into far
[159:43] fewer problems in 2008. Well, it could
[159:46] be again a significantly close
[159:47] presidential election. We don't want to
[159:48] see a vote count like we did in 2004.
[159:51] And there were many problems at the
[159:53] polling places, particularly with
[159:54] electronic voting machine. So, we're
[159:56] going to work very hard. We have a
[159:57] website called GetItStraight by 2008.
[160:00] And we're encouraging people to start
[160:01] fighting now to to fix these machines
[160:03] and fix many of the problems at the
[160:04] polling place.
[160:05] >> That's get itstraight208.org.
[160:09] >> That's right. Get it straight by 2008.
[160:11] >> By 2008. All right. Great, Charlie.
[160:13] Thank you very much, Jeffrey. As always,
[160:15] good to see you again. It's just been a
[160:16] few hours this
[160:18] >> morning, noon, and night.
[160:19] >> Well, you did a wonderful job. Thank you
[160:21] very much, Jeff. Just ahead, two of the
[160:23] military's most outspoken critics of the
[160:25] defense secretary join me to discuss his
[160:27] resignation, the war in Iraq, and what
[160:30] these decisions, what effect they may
[160:32] have on our men and women in uniform,
[160:34] and the Democratic 100hour plan. Will it
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[162:57] any errors in the conduct of the war in
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[163:02] about strategy. Joining me now, uh, two
[163:05] retired military commanders who have
[163:07] called for the resignation of the
[163:09] defense secretary, Colonel Thomas Hams,
[163:11] who served in Iraq with the US Marine
[163:13] Corps, Major General Paul Eaton. He'll
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[163:17] There he is. Uh, who led the US training
[163:20] of Iraqi police and security forces. Uh,
[163:23] and loud and clear. Thank you very much.
[163:25] We thank you to We thank you both for
[163:27] being here. Let me start out with you uh
[163:29] Tom Hams. Uh this decision to resign
[163:32] coming as it does now, what is the
[163:34] likely impact first uh on our troops in
[163:38] Iraq and Afghanistan?
[163:41] >> I think the key is going to be how they
[163:43] resp how the the administration uses
[163:46] this. If they use it to change the
[163:47] strategy so it's effective and to
[163:49] provide equipment for the troops both in
[163:51] country and training, it's very
[163:53] positive.
[163:54] All right. Uh, General Eaton.
[163:57] >> Hey, Lou. Great to be with you again.
[163:59] Uh, it's going to energize the troops.
[164:01] It's going to energize the Pentagon. In
[164:02] fact, it's already started. The feedback
[164:04] that I'm getting is that, uh, the energy
[164:07] levels, uh, have just popped in the
[164:09] Pentagon. Now, when you say the energy
[164:11] levels have just popped, uh, as you
[164:14] know, I've been on this broadcast
[164:16] extremely critical of our generals, uh,
[164:18] the Pentagon, uh, the general staff, uh,
[164:21] because, uh, in many cases, they have
[164:22] been inserted into, uh, domestic as well
[164:26] as international political issues. Uh,
[164:28] they have asked the American people for
[164:30] patience while not procuring uh, victory
[164:33] nor enunciating a strategy. Are we going
[164:35] to see a real substantive difference in
[164:37] the uh in the actions of the of the
[164:40] general staff?
[164:42] >> Lou, I think that one of the outcomes of
[164:44] the election that we've just gone
[164:45] through and the fact that we're changing
[164:47] to a very reasonable man, this Robert
[164:50] Gates is uh is a man of considerable uh
[164:53] professional background, positive, and
[164:56] he's a he's a reasonable man. Uh, I
[164:59] expect to see generals and men of all
[165:01] ranks testify before Congress on what
[165:04] they really need, where they really want
[165:06] this thing to go. So, I see it as a
[165:08] liberating influence for uh for the
[165:11] uniform military.
[165:13] >> Uh Tom Hams, as uh General Eaton just
[165:16] said, uh there are very few uh men and
[165:20] or women who have served this country uh
[165:23] with with greater distinction than Bob
[165:26] Gates. He is just enormously respected.
[165:29] Uh is is it your sense that he will be
[165:33] able working as he has with the Iraq
[165:35] study group uh the group being led by
[165:38] the former Secretary of State James
[165:39] Baker uh Congressman Lee Hamilton uh to
[165:43] make a profound difference uh within
[165:45] this administration on the conduct of
[165:46] the war. Whether that means a a strategy
[165:49] for victory or a strategy for
[165:51] withdrawal.
[165:52] >> I think he can make a difference. He's
[165:54] certainly got the background uh with his
[165:55] background in human intelligence. He
[165:57] should understand more clearly the human
[165:59] aspects of this war which are the
[166:00] critical aspects. It's going to be
[166:02] whether he then chooses to really
[166:04] mobilize the Pentagon, use that
[166:06] enthusiasm and put it on a wartime
[166:07] footing or not.
[166:09] >> And give us your best judgment
[166:12] militarily. Uh uh General Eaton, should
[166:14] this country prepare for a greater
[166:17] engagement in Iraq uh or should it begin
[166:21] a uh an acceleration, if you will, just
[166:24] to give you two options here, an
[166:26] acceleration of withdrawal and bringing
[166:30] more Iraqis online as we do so?
[166:34] >> Well, a great question. Uh we need to uh
[166:37] change the the method that we're dealing
[166:39] with the problem in Iraq. certainly not
[166:41] back away from it. We cannot accept a
[166:44] failed state. And the single greatest
[166:47] factor that we've got to get after aside
[166:49] from the political solution with the
[166:52] Iraqi government is the Iraqi security
[166:54] forces. We had a Lieutenant Colonel Doug
[166:57] Olivan publish a uh an article in
[167:00] military review, a distinguished review,
[167:02] and this man's got an approach at
[167:04] dealing with the Iraqi security forces
[167:06] very different from what the
[167:08] administration has been doing. Tom Hams,
[167:12] I'm going to have to give you the last
[167:13] word. We're out of time.
[167:16] I think that uh we have to stay stay and
[167:20] win because if we don't there's too
[167:22] large a disaster potential in the Middle
[167:24] East and if we are going to discuss
[167:26] withdrawal we have to discuss what the
[167:28] impact is of the potential for a greater
[167:30] Sunni Shia civil war with experts from
[167:33] the Middle East.
[167:34] >> Colonel Hamus General Eaton we thank you
[167:36] both for being here. Appreciate it.
[167:38] >> Thanks Lou.
[167:38] >> Thank you very up next here the
[167:40] situation room with Wolf Blitzer. Wolf
[167:42] >> thanks very much Lou. Uh we're going to
[167:44] check more into the situation involving
[167:46] Donald Rumsfeld. Was in an about face
[167:49] stepping down as defense secretary.
[167:50] We'll find out what the impact is and
[167:53] what will be the impact on the war in
[167:55] Iraq. Also, the presumed speaker of the
[167:58] house, Nancy Pelosi. She's had some
[168:00] sharp words for the president in the
[168:02] past. Can she actually work with him
[168:04] right now in Washington? I'll ask her.
[168:06] Plus, getting in line for the White
[168:08] House. One election's over, but now the
[168:10] title fight is about to begin. And the
[168:13] key to the control of the Senate lies in
[168:15] Virginia. Will there be a recon? All
[168:18] that coming up. And Lou Dobs himself
[168:20] will be joining us throughout our 7 p.m.
[168:23] hour. Lou, I'll see you in a little
[168:24] while. Looking forward to it, Wolf.
[168:26] Thank you very much. And a reminder now
[168:28] to vote on our poll. What was the
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[168:33] yesterday? The war in Iraq, corruption
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[168:42] next, a cliffhanger in Virginia, control
[168:44] of the Senate, and the president's
[168:46] amnesty agenda for illegal aliens, the
[168:49] future uncertain. We'll be talking about
[168:51] those issues and more with our panel.
[168:53] Stay with us
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[171:08] >> Outspoken Bill Mah on the elections
[171:10] winners and losers. Larry King tonight.
[171:15] Well, this may have been a Democratic
[171:17] victory, but uh no one does victory like
[171:20] uh two New York congressmen, many close
[171:23] races across the country, but two
[171:25] congressional matchups in New York City,
[171:28] anything but close and anything but tame
[171:31] in the result. In fact, they were
[171:32] nothing less than monumental blowouts.
[171:35] Congressman Charlie Wrangle, the
[171:37] incoming chairman of the House Ways and
[171:39] Means Committee, reelected with only
[171:42] only 94% of the vote. And Congressman
[171:46] Jose Serran, he is uh New York City
[171:50] Congressional District is right next to
[171:51] Wrangles. He won a re-election with a
[171:55] slightly more impressive 96% of the
[171:58] vote. Uh, back with me now, Ed Rollins
[172:00] and Errol Lewis and Robert Zimmerman.
[172:02] Uh, I suppose there's some folks in
[172:04] Virginia who would like to have seen
[172:05] that margin apply to that Senate race.
[172:09] What's your instinct tell you, Arl?
[172:10] We're going to see um are we going to
[172:12] see a recount or do you think that uh
[172:15] Allen uh will be gracious and uh simply
[172:19] concede?
[172:19] >> Allan would be wise to be gracious.
[172:20] There's almost no scenario where he can
[172:22] win. You have close to 8,000 votes uh
[172:24] separating the two candidates. And if
[172:26] you look just a year ago, there was a
[172:28] similarly close race, a much closer race
[172:30] actually. There's only a couple hundred
[172:31] votes in the attorney general's race.
[172:33] And um after the count, only 37 votes
[172:36] swapped. So it's fair to say and and
[172:38] keep in mind,
[172:39] >> you can imagine the pressure uh that
[172:41] Allen is under from the Republican party
[172:43] because that Senate uh does hang in the
[172:45] balance control.
[172:46] >> But there's this thing called reality. I
[172:48] mean, the absentee votes have already
[172:49] been counted. There's no there's no new
[172:51] information coming in. Ed
[172:52] >> Rollins, I would I would agree. I would
[172:54] do it quick. First, I want to make one
[172:55] comment about wrangles. That 95% is what
[172:57] his new t tax rate is going to be for
[172:59] all you rich guys. He'll split 95%
[173:02] between him and
[173:03] >> I'm not letting you get away with that.
[173:04] >> I think I think any impression that we
[173:08] are are sore losers and that we not that
[173:10] I I I think we go through the process
[173:12] process needs to be over in a few days
[173:13] and then we move on. We don't challenge
[173:15] it. We don't challenge it in the courts.
[173:17] Uh the country will feel that the
[173:19] Republicans are trying to steal this and
[173:20] I think it'll just really do us in. You
[173:22] know, I think that George Allen gracious
[173:24] scenario pretty much passed. That that
[173:26] strategy disappeared several months ago.
[173:27] So, don't count on George Allen being
[173:29] gracious. What I do enjoy watching is Ed
[173:31] Gillespie, the former Republican
[173:33] National Chairman and Enron lobbyist now
[173:35] advocating that every vote be counted.
[173:38] Where were they about counting votes in
[173:39] Florida back in 2000? I'm impressed by
[173:41] their newfound faith in democracy.
[173:43] >> You know, I don't know about you bitter
[173:45] about Ed. Ed, Robert, just you know,
[173:48] you've got you have that warm feeling.
[173:50] I've got that the healing process after
[173:52] that bitter campaign election. We're
[173:54] coming together.
[173:55] >> We just beat Katherine Harris by
[173:57] a,100,000
[173:59] votes and they want to still stop it.
[174:00] >> And on behalf of Charlie Wrangler, we're
[174:02] not going to quickly get 100% of the
[174:03] vote.
[174:04] >> Well, you know, those aspirations are
[174:07] what makes this country great.
[174:08] >> We do our best.
[174:09] >> All right, we'll be back here in just a
[174:10] moment. Still ahead, final thoughts from
[174:12] our panel, the results of tonight's
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[176:35] >> Let's start with the results of our
[176:37] poll. 34% of you responding that the war
[176:39] in Iraq was the deciding factor in your
[176:42] vote in yesterday's election and uh
[176:45] coming in close behind corruption in
[176:47] government and the issue of illegal
[176:49] immigration. Let's turn to our panel for
[176:51] some final thoughts. Errol, the where do
[176:54] you think the country is now after going
[176:56] through this election? the the the
[176:58] overwhelming victory by the Democrats uh
[177:00] is nationwide.
[177:02] >> There's a chance now, I think, for the
[177:03] Democrats, and they had said that they
[177:05] were going to do this, to allay those
[177:07] fears, to say, "We're not crazy. We're
[177:09] not going to triple your taxes. We're
[177:11] not going to yank the troops out
[177:12] tomorrow, but to govern responsibly.
[177:14] It's an opportunity in the next two
[177:16] years to show what they can do as we go
[177:18] into the next presidential season."
[177:20] >> Do you think they're going to be able to
[177:21] pull it off?
[177:21] >> I I you know, my my sense is uh it's
[177:24] going to be a big test. Uh we're going
[177:25] to come back at them full boore. Uh we
[177:27] think there's a lot of these seats we
[177:29] can get back. Uh we've got a big
[177:31] defense. We got a lot of Senate seats up
[177:33] in 2008. It's a presidential year.
[177:36] Presidential politics will start in
[177:37] about 2 weeks. Uh so we're not going to
[177:39] let them rest on their laurels. I don't
[177:41] think you have to worry about that. With
[177:42] a 20 seat margin of maybe 20, maybe a
[177:44] little bit higher at the end of the day.
[177:46] Democrats are going to be very focused
[177:48] on protecting and building upon that
[177:50] majority. And you're going to see Nancy
[177:52] Pelosi as speaker and chairman like
[177:54] Charlie Wrangle at Ways and Mean be very
[177:57] conscious of governing from the center,
[177:59] protecting middle inome working
[178:00] families, protecting middle class tax
[178:02] cuts. You're going to see a Democratic
[178:04] party that does reflect the country.
[178:06] Remember where
[178:07] >> thinks they've got to get them before
[178:08] they can be protected.
[178:09] >> Let me tell you something. Look at where
[178:11] our new me look at where the new members
[178:12] came from. Look at the fact the
[178:13] Democratic Party is now a 50state party.
[178:16] >> The center of San Francisco though is
[178:18] not exactly the center of the country.
[178:20] Pelosi is very conscious of being
[178:22] speaker of the house. So that tactic
[178:24] didn't work in the campaign. It's not
[178:25] going to work now.
[178:26] >> We'll see.
[178:27] >> Ed's going to try cuz he enjoys
[178:29] >> he's not giving up on that one. Yeah.
[178:30] >> Well, let's that that is really the
[178:32] fundamental issue. Uh I I don't know how
[178:35] you all feel, but I I truly believe that
[178:37] yesterday's election was about saying a
[178:40] loud voice that was not fractured uh uh
[178:43] by special interest wedge issues. Uh but
[178:46] basically middle class America saying
[178:48] we're not going to be ignored in
[178:50] Washington DC. Uh you can play your
[178:52] partisan games, your special interest
[178:53] games. You can try to slice and dice us
[178:55] into socioeconomic demographic groups,
[178:58] but we're going to speak. Do you think
[179:00] that message is truly taken to heart by
[179:03] the Democratic leadership?
[179:04] >> I don't I don't think it is to tell you
[179:06] the truth and I worry about it. I mean,
[179:07] when you see when you look at some of
[179:09] the pocketbook issues that they they
[179:10] have pledged to, they're going to be
[179:11] done with those in the first 100 hours
[179:13] by and large. The question will be what
[179:14] do they do with things like the basic
[179:16] corruption question earmarks tens of
[179:19] thousands of these these oneshots that
[179:21] are just dropped all over. very easy for
[179:22] you to figure that out because speaker
[179:24] Speaker elect Pelosi has already put
[179:26] forward proposed legislation to address
[179:28] that issue and to put forward lobbying
[179:30] reform. The issue is this the fact that
[179:32] Democrats have this majority in the
[179:35] House and Senate which by the way in
[179:36] this show I predicted several months ago
[179:38] let me remind you Ed reflects the fact
[179:40] that we have heard that voice of the
[179:42] middle class and we're responding to it.
[179:43] the you get the last word.
[179:45] >> What this proves is it's not election
[179:46] proof Congress anymore. And just as we
[179:48] lost yesterday, you can lose very
[179:49] quickly if you get out of touch with the
[179:51] where the country is.
[179:52] >> Say that again cuz I just love this.
[179:54] >> Not an election proof Congress. Not an