ABC News - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 6:30 p.m. (E)
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[0:00] of the war with Iraq.
[0:01] >> Good evening.
[0:02] >> Keeping this city awake if it keeps
[0:04] going on.
[0:14] >> Well, I apologize for that. Uh that was
[0:16] a way for some of our local stations to
[0:18] disengage or re-engage as the case may
[0:20] be. And I thought we were going to go
[0:22] straight to Kuwait. So, we're going to
[0:24] go back to Kuwait now and Mike Vonfra.
[0:25] Mike, sorry for the interruption. Take
[0:27] us through your day.
[0:31] Well, Peter, as I was saying, within the
[0:33] last five minutes, we've had what I
[0:34] believe is the eighth warning sound from
[0:37] the sirens. It's 2:30 in the morning
[0:38] here. If this keeps up, it's going to be
[0:40] a very sleepless night for the people
[0:42] here. It really is nerve-wracking. As I,
[0:44] as you said, it scared the pants off the
[0:46] people here. What they are hoping, I'm
[0:48] sure, is that as the uh US forces make
[0:51] their way across the demilitarized zone,
[0:53] this may come to an end. But for today,
[0:55] there has been uh the uh the the defense
[0:59] uh uh ministry of Kuwait said that there
[1:01] were two missiles that managed to make
[1:03] their way into uh northern Kuwait. That
[1:06] of course was not anticipated. In the
[1:08] end, it didn't do much. Nobody was hurt,
[1:10] but just this constant sirens have
[1:12] really panicked the people here and it's
[1:14] been going on well into the evening and
[1:16] people are having a tough time getting
[1:18] some sleep.
[1:18] >> Thanks, Mike. Appreciate it. Mike von
[1:20] friend who's in Kuwait City and it's
[1:22] true almost every time they've come up
[1:23] in the course of the day somebody's
[1:25] asked them to put on a gas mask in the
[1:26] hotel where they are and go down to the
[1:28] shelters. Now let's go to the White
[1:29] House. Our White House correspondent
[1:30] Terry Moran. Terry, what kind kind of a
[1:33] day may be too general a question for
[1:35] you at the moment? But yes, I be pardon.
[1:39] Oh, we want to go back to John McQuey
[1:40] again. Okay, my apologize. We're going
[1:42] to go back to John McQuey at the
[1:44] Pentagon. John
[1:46] >> Peter u we have been asked to sort of
[1:49] summarize this day and I must say uh US
[1:53] officials say that American ground
[1:55] forces are now poised at the border.
[1:58] Some have already gone across the
[1:59] border. Uh the major offensive by US and
[2:02] British troops is now underway. This is
[2:05] something that American officials have
[2:07] been anticipating for many hours. Uh
[2:11] there has been minimal resistance thus
[2:13] far as the troops begin to pour across
[2:15] that border. Uh and as far as the air
[2:19] campaign is concerned, the United States
[2:21] has borne down in the southern half of
[2:24] Iraq throughout the day. Uh trying to go
[2:27] after targets that may have been missed,
[2:29] the so-called softening of the
[2:30] battlefield, uh preparing the way for
[2:34] this ground invasion. So that is a very
[2:36] brief summary of both the ground and the
[2:38] air war. Okay, John, thank you very much
[2:41] indeed. John McQuey at the Pentagon.
[2:43] We'll get to Terry Moran at the White
[2:44] House uh before too long. Um ABC's Bob
[2:48] Woodruff is with a group of Marines and
[2:50] has been for some time one of the
[2:52] embedded reporters and he is somewhere
[2:54] up near the Kuwaiti Iraqi border as
[2:57] well. Bob,
[3:00] >> things are very rushed. Initially, this
[3:03] invasion was supposed to come out uh
[3:05] come much later, but they moved it up
[3:07] earlier tonight. uh today your time to
[3:11] make it happen a lot sooner and it's not
[3:13] clear exactly why that happened but
[3:14] there is certainly a rush to get this
[3:16] thing moving
[3:17] >> it's quarter to 10 where you are now the
[3:19] US uh Bob has some very sophisticated
[3:22] mine clearing equipment now and before
[3:26] the campaign actually began you hear a
[3:29] lot of talk about minefields in the
[3:30] region
[3:33] >> actually I spoke to an army general
[3:35] actually the general of the third ID who
[3:38] said he had not seen a lot of evidence
[3:40] of Iraqis laying mines, but I can tell
[3:43] you that today we got word early in the
[3:46] morning that there was there were some
[3:48] Iraqis being spotted laying down some
[3:51] mines. And when the engineers looked
[3:54] across the border, they saw they counted
[3:56] just with binoculars about 20 anti-tank
[3:59] mines in the area that we were going to
[4:01] come across. they were very open in and
[4:04] very obvious which means uh they they
[4:07] concluded that they were very hastily
[4:09] laid down. So perhaps in just the very
[4:13] recent couple days or even in recent
[4:15] hours uh they were scrambling to put
[4:18] down some mines when they see exactly
[4:19] where the forces are congregating ready
[4:21] to go in.
[4:22] >> Give us some sense, Bob, of how the guys
[4:24] you're with are doing.
[4:27] >> Well, they're ready to go. I think
[4:28] people are pretty pretty ready. They've
[4:30] been waiting in this desert for a while.
[4:32] There's certainly a certain amount of
[4:34] nervousness on their part. Um when the
[4:37] Scud missiles, what we believe were Scud
[4:39] missiles passed over the top and we had
[4:40] to put chemical gear on. There was quite
[4:43] a bit of apprehension. You know what's
[4:45] coming. You look around, you hear
[4:47] artillery batteries and at first you
[4:49] don't know if it's incoming from the
[4:50] Iraqis or if it's outgoing from the
[4:53] Americans. And in every case we've been
[4:54] able to confirm that they were outgoing
[4:56] from the Americans. there's nervousness
[4:58] but also an excitement to to get in
[5:00] there and try to get this over with.
[5:01] Certainly a lot of these guys, I would
[5:03] say almost all of them want to get it
[5:04] done, get it done quickly and get home
[5:06] to their families.
[5:07] >> Many thanks, Bob. Now, we're joined by
[5:10] uh one of our immensely useful ABC
[5:12] military consultants, General George
[5:14] Dalwan, former NATO commander in uh in
[5:17] Europe. We have a sense, we amateurs
[5:19] today, that things happen to change the
[5:22] original battle plan. Do you think
[5:24] that's true?
[5:25] >> Uh yes, I do. I think that uh the
[5:27] strike, the early strike uh that we had
[5:30] on Baghdad resulted in a necessity to
[5:34] begin the ground attack early. And I I I
[5:38] really must say, Peter, if I may, that I
[5:40] was really taken by the comments of the
[5:42] first uh Marine Division commander, that
[5:44] letter you you wrote as an old armored
[5:47] commander. I can I can side with that.
[5:49] Plus also Mike Siri where he said he's
[5:52] really moving the the tankers and the
[5:54] troops call it haul ass and bypass. So
[5:56] that's not changing. He's moving quite
[5:59] quickly. But I think at the strategic
[6:01] level we we we have we have moved it up
[6:04] and I think that's the agility you need
[6:06] in the plan. You you can't have it
[6:08] scripted. I think you have to go with
[6:10] the flow as they say and what's
[6:12] happening. So we're seeing uh a crossing
[6:15] by the Marines and I believe the third
[6:18] infantry division is also moving at this
[6:21] time and the this is an attempt to try
[6:24] to to get the ground war going. Uh the
[6:26] Turkish decision is
[6:28] >> Can I just ask you a question before you
[6:29] before you leave the battlefield and go
[6:31] up to Turkey? A couple things. Um why do
[6:33] you think it would have changed it? So
[6:35] there was an attack on Baghdad
[6:39] cruise missiles and F-17s up there. Why
[6:41] would that have changed the the the
[6:43] rhythm south?
[6:45] >> Because you had you did have a response,
[6:48] small though it is uh from Iraq. Uh you
[6:52] had uh you had whatever you want to call
[6:54] the missiles, whatever type it was, you
[6:57] had an attack. The the the the chaos in
[7:00] Kuwait uh the uh the possible attack on
[7:05] our own forces that are in now assembly
[7:07] areas waiting across. They're not immune
[7:10] from this. So, in at least my judgment,
[7:13] the decision was made uh to move out of
[7:16] these bunched up assembly areas and
[7:18] cross and begin the ground attack early.
[7:22] Uh I thought it was a good decision,
[7:24] >> but in in truth, the first army, for
[7:26] example, the uh in in in the western
[7:28] side hasn't really moved yet. It's just
[7:30] begun to move as in some respects was
[7:33] originally scheduled. And didn't US
[7:35] forces always know there might be some
[7:37] preemptive strikes by Saddam Hussein
[7:39] sending or by the Iraqis sending
[7:40] missiles across the border? I
[7:42] >> I think so. But again, if placing myself
[7:45] in their position, you don't want to
[7:47] stay in an attack position bunched up
[7:50] along the border very long, particularly
[7:53] if if if there is some shelling. And
[7:55] remember, we heard reports of possible
[7:58] chemical artillery rounds, etc., etc.
[8:01] and uh there were some at least right or
[8:04] wrong burning of oil fields and this is
[8:07] I think an intermediate objective of
[8:09] some of our initial forces. So uh I I
[8:13] think that uh that the decision to move
[8:15] early I thought was a was was a proper
[8:17] one. It wasn't as smooth or as scripted
[8:20] as we would like but I I I I truly think
[8:23] it was realistic. Let me ask I I don't
[8:25] know if you've seen the British report,
[8:27] the pool report that we get from our
[8:28] reporters today, but Royal Marine
[8:30] commandos today were involved in their
[8:31] largest operation since the Faulland war
[8:34] and their part of this attack in
[8:36] southern Iraq and it may be the British
[8:39] Marines who have captured Kaser if they
[8:41] say if if it's correct on the on the
[8:43] Shatal Arab there. Do you know can you
[8:46] tell us how the British and the
[8:47] Americans would coordinate in there? I I
[8:49] think there is clearly unity of command
[8:52] and there will be liaison officers
[8:54] between both the British forces and and
[8:57] the US Marine forces and uh
[9:00] communications links between the two
[9:02] very tightly coordinated and I I think
[9:05] some of the reports we're hearing about
[9:07] protecting the unit on our flank is is
[9:10] part of that coordination.
[9:11] >> Interesting. Now, you did want to say
[9:12] something about the northern part of the
[9:14] country and the fact that the Iraq that
[9:15] the Turks are now to give the US at
[9:17] least overflight rights. It's very
[9:18] interesting because as as you as you
[9:21] know an integral part of the earlier
[9:24] plan was a northern axis and the uh
[9:28] delay or at least the refusal of Turkey
[9:30] to give permission to move ground forces
[9:33] into that area I think was a major had a
[9:36] major impact on the overall plan. Now
[9:40] that we can move air through the
[9:43] airspace of Turkey I think that's going
[9:46] to be significant. I'm not I don't know
[9:48] the war plan, but I would predict you're
[9:50] going to see some movement uh by air of
[9:53] forces into the Kurdish area, and you're
[9:56] going to see that pretty quickly.
[9:57] >> And by this, do you mean paratroopers,
[9:58] or do you mean people who will land on
[10:00] the airfields in Kurdish Iraq?
[10:02] >> Uh I I think you'll see people that will
[10:04] land on the airfield in Kurdish Iraq. As
[10:06] you know, that really then puts some of
[10:08] the key objectives north of Baghdad uh
[10:11] within pretty good uh distance or short
[10:14] distance from the Kurdish area. So I
[10:16] think you may see some of that and uh I
[10:19] I was very much interested in the basing
[10:22] that we've received though I know we
[10:24] have not a large coalition as you as you
[10:27] mentioned several times on the ground
[10:29] but the Bulgarians and the Romanians
[10:31] have opened up key bases in Romania and
[10:34] Bulgaria uh to be used in this trans
[10:37] shshipment of of units and forces across
[10:40] Turkey. So all of that I think is going
[10:42] to come into play.
[10:43] >> And and is that the kind of facility in
[10:45] Eastern Europe for example in Bulgaria
[10:47] and in Romania which gives special
[10:49] forces the opportunity to jump off from
[10:51] anywhere the commanders think necessary?
[10:53] Uh absolutely and other and also big
[10:56] logistical uh uh resupply can come
[11:00] through there and trans shshipment of
[11:02] men and material and that's right on the
[11:04] Black Sea and I think it's extremely uh
[11:08] extremely useful uh for the uh for the
[11:10] forces in coming in from the north.
[11:13] >> Okay, I very much appreciate it. Nice to
[11:14] have you, General. Please don't go
[11:16] anywhere. Um we talked to Don Daylor
[11:18] just a few minutes ago live. He did in
[11:20] the course of today manage to put
[11:21] together a videotape package for us of
[11:24] what the day has been like with 101st.
[11:26] And here it is.
[11:28] >> One minute, Lieutenant Colonel Steven
[11:30] Brookke was trying on his protective
[11:32] gear. The next minute, he was using it.
[11:36] >> Part of the brigade had just made it
[11:37] back to camp with the heavy equipment
[11:39] they were supposed to be preparing for
[11:41] combat when the air raid sirens went
[11:43] off.
[11:44] >> They ran for the bunkers and squeezed
[11:46] in. What the hell is this? Marine.
[11:48] >> As his men huddled in their cramped
[11:50] shelters, Colonel Brookke went bunker to
[11:53] bunker to make sure they were okay.
[11:55] >> We're going to take care of each other
[11:56] now.
[11:58] >> Chemical detectors have been placed
[11:59] around the camp within moments of the
[12:01] alert. They registered no gas.
[12:04] >> Come here.
[12:06] >> Check you out.
[12:06] >> 30 minutes later, the all clear was
[12:09] given. As a sign of the increased
[12:11] tensions, hours after the first air raid
[12:13] siren sounded, the soldiers were running
[12:15] towards the bunkers again with no air
[12:18] raid sirens. This time, the word had
[12:20] spread that more missiles were on their
[12:21] way. It was merely a rumor, but it
[12:24] showed the high level of anxiety at
[12:26] camp. Vehicles and weapons were
[12:28] abandoned until the word was passed it
[12:31] was a false alarm. On this day when they
[12:33] were supposed to ready their vehicles
[12:35] and weapons for war, the 101st Airborne
[12:39] found itself on the defensive. Don
[12:42] Daylor, ABC News, Camp New York, Kuwait.
[12:46] >> Now, let's uh change from the war
[12:47] against Iraq to the war against
[12:49] terrorism for a moment. FBI officials
[12:50] are looking for a man. There's a on the
[12:54] lookout, be on the lookout warrant for
[12:55] him all over the United States who may
[12:57] be, as he's described to us, another
[12:59] Muhammad Ata. That's the man who led the
[13:01] hijackings on September the 11th. This
[13:04] particular man uh carries many passport.
[13:07] ABC's Pierre Thomas is that's his his
[13:10] name. Adnan El Shukra Juma is his name
[13:13] and among among his passports. I believe
[13:16] Pierre Thomas is Saudi and a couple of
[13:18] others as well. What more do we know
[13:19] about him and why are they so concerned?
[13:21] >> Peter, they're extremely concerned
[13:22] tonight and let me be very specific. He
[13:25] is thought to be an al-Qaeda field
[13:26] commander. He's a pilot who once lived
[13:29] in Saudi Arabia. He's also thought to
[13:31] have trained in Afghanistan under 9/11
[13:34] planner Ramsay bin Alshe. The FBI is
[13:37] also investigating whether he was a part
[13:39] of a plot involving Jose Padilla, a
[13:42] so-called dirty bomb plot. And sources
[13:45] say that he has been identified by
[13:47] Khaled Shake Muhammad, the alleged 9/11
[13:50] hijacker planner and mastermind. Peter.
[13:52] >> Okay. Now, uh, do we know how his name
[13:55] suddenly popped up into either computers
[13:57] or into the middle of intelligence
[13:59] circles?
[14:00] >> Peter, what we're told is that his name
[14:02] recently came up as part of an overseas
[14:04] investigation. They went to Khaled Shake
[14:06] Muhammad, asked him about this
[14:08] particular individ individual and he was
[14:10] identified by Khaled Shake Muhammad as
[14:12] one of his main operatives.
[14:14] >> And on the general terrorist alert in
[14:17] the country today, any change since
[14:19] yesterday? Well, Peter, you saw across
[14:21] the country massive security. They're
[14:24] stepping up the security at police
[14:26] locations throughout the country. And
[14:27] also today, the FBI began a campaign to
[14:30] interview 15,000 Iraqi Americans over
[14:33] the next 3 weeks.
[14:34] >> Are these people they've gone out um and
[14:36] actually gone to find for themselves or
[14:38] have they asked Iraqis and I think you
[14:41] said there about 15,000 living in the
[14:42] country, they've asked them to come in
[14:43] and be interviewed. What's the How does
[14:45] the process work?
[14:46] >> Well, it's supposed to be a voluntary
[14:48] interview. They contact these people.
[14:49] They asked them if they will allow uh
[14:52] the FBI to come and talk to them. But
[14:54] again, even though it's voluntary,
[14:56] they're trying to get information about
[14:57] potential attacks. They also say that
[14:59] they want to warn these people and tell
[15:01] them to report any hate crime activity.
[15:03] But the real reason they're doing these
[15:05] interviews is to try to get any hint of
[15:07] terrorism in the US.
[15:08] >> And in various places today, I'm not
[15:10] sure it was all here, Iraqi officials in
[15:12] this and other countries have been told,
[15:14] you can stay here if you want and tell
[15:16] us everything you know about the Saddam
[15:17] Hussein regime. If not, go back to Iraq.
[15:19] Is that correct?
[15:20] >> Well, overseas they did that, Peter. The
[15:22] approach here in the United States will
[15:24] be a bit more subtle than that. But some
[15:26] people that they have identified as
[15:28] being Sodom Hussein sympathizers. They
[15:30] are going to either ask to leave the
[15:31] country or they're going to say, "We're
[15:33] watching you and we know that you
[15:35] support Saddam Hussein."
[15:36] >> Okay. Many thanks, Pierre Thomas. We'll
[15:38] come back to you throughout the evening,
[15:39] of course. But to continue this uh this
[15:41] war against terrorism reporting, ABC's
[15:43] Brian Ross is still with us. There was a
[15:46] there was an arrest today. I believe in
[15:48] France and a seizure, right?
[15:49] >> A seizure of a piece of luggage at a
[15:52] train station in Paris. Uh authorities
[15:54] in France believe they may have
[15:55] disrupted the plot to use Ryson or other
[15:58] poisons against US targets in France or
[16:01] Italy. They'd had this particular selfch
[16:03] check locker in the train station under
[16:05] surveillance for many days and uh they
[16:08] hoped somebody would come to pick up the
[16:09] luggage. That never happened. They
[16:11] seized it on Monday. They've done
[16:12] chemical analysis, Peter, and they now
[16:14] believe that the Ryson found in that
[16:16] luggage matches Ryson found in raids
[16:18] late last year and early this year in
[16:20] London.
[16:21] >> They believe this is one big sale that
[16:23] is operated based in Paris and was
[16:26] connected loosely to al-Qaeda and also
[16:28] to the Alansar group which operated in
[16:30] northern Iraq. Follow all that. That's
[16:32] the group that President Bush was
[16:33] alleging was connected to Saddam Hussein
[16:35] and al-Qaeda. Although this is a group
[16:37] that really detests Saddam Hussein.
[16:39] Before you go on, before we go on to
[16:40] that for a second, remind us how
[16:42] dangerous Ryson is.
[16:43] >> Extremely dangerous. It's a It's made
[16:44] from caster beans, but it's a small
[16:46] amount. It's not really used as a weapon
[16:48] of mass destruction, but more suitable
[16:50] for individual poisonings or
[16:52] assassinations. Nevertheless, highly
[16:54] toxic and uh thought to be in the hands
[16:56] of al-Qaeda operatives. They found two
[16:58] vials of that, also two bottles of a
[17:00] black powder used in explosives and one
[17:03] bottle of material that had traces of
[17:05] cyanide. So, a a deadly brew was
[17:07] intended there. Apparently,
[17:08] >> it's also a reminder today, is it not,
[17:10] of even the people who've been critical
[17:11] of the war effort have been extremely
[17:13] important and cooperative in the
[17:14] campaign against terrorism.
[17:15] >> Absolutely. The terrorism coalition was
[17:17] depends highly on France and Germany and
[17:21] they have led the way in many ways in
[17:22] disrupting al-Qaeda cells operating in
[17:24] Germany and France that had targeted the
[17:27] US. So that continues. There is, as we
[17:29] reported before on World News, some
[17:31] strains on that terror coalition because
[17:33] of the prospects of the war with Iraq.
[17:35] But nevertheless, the the French
[17:37] continue to lead the way in disrupting
[17:39] some of these terrorist cells.
[17:40] >> Many thanks, Brian. Brian Ross on the
[17:42] campaign against terrorism while we're
[17:44] while we're still overseas. Uh even as
[17:46] you recall, President Bush's approval
[17:48] rating in terms of handling the war in
[17:50] the United Nations has gone up in the
[17:51] last several days. There continues to be
[17:53] a huge body of opinion and and despite
[17:55] too the coalition of the willing that
[17:57] the administration has talked about
[17:58] today, there's a huge body of public
[18:00] opinion in other parts of the world that
[18:02] thought and may still think indeed that
[18:04] this war is a very bad idea. With a
[18:07] report on that today, here's ABC's Dean
[18:09] Reynolds.
[18:11] >> WE WANT IT.
[18:13] >> They failed to keep the war from
[18:14] starting, but demonstrators took to the
[18:16] streets today in groups large and small
[18:18] in this country and abroad. THE WHOLE
[18:21] WORLD IS WATCHING,
[18:22] >> hoping to end it as quickly as possible.
[18:24] >> This war IS GOING TO BE THE LAST.
[18:26] >> Downtown San Francisco was tied in knots
[18:29] by bands of robing protesters clashing
[18:31] with police this morning.
[18:35] >> Hundreds were arrested.
[18:39] >> Philadelphia's protesters numbering in
[18:41] the dozens demonstrated in the rain. And
[18:43] a steady downpour fell on the war's
[18:45] opponents in the nation's capital, too.
[18:47] >> We're going to live through this. The
[18:48] Iraqis won't. It's totally worth it.
[18:50] >> There were protests in Austin near where
[18:52] one of the president's daughters attends
[18:54] college and similar scenes at state
[18:56] capitals in Michigan and in New
[18:58] Hampshire. Students walked out of
[19:00] classrooms in colleges and high schools.
[19:03] These were in Chicago. I don't think
[19:05] Bush is going to listen to any of this,
[19:06] but we want someone to hear us. Most of
[19:09] the demonstrators in this country said
[19:10] they were angry with the president and
[19:12] were not trying to undermine American
[19:14] troops, but get them home safely.
[19:17] Overseas though, the US armed forces
[19:20] were seen as agents of a grand scheme to
[19:22] impose America's will on the Middle
[19:24] East.
[19:24] >> American and British troops get out of
[19:26] Iraq.
[19:27] >> Thousands marched in Egypt, which gets
[19:29] more US foreign aid than any country but
[19:31] Israel.
[19:32] >> The American occupation of Iraq is the
[19:34] occupation of the entire Arab world.
[19:39] >> There were clashes with police in Soul,
[19:41] South Korea. Anger over the war could be
[19:43] seen in Japan, in the Philippines, and
[19:46] in Australia, all US allies. In Jordan,
[19:50] the government said this must stop or
[19:52] protesters will be dealt with swiftly
[19:54] and harshly. A huge crowd confronted the
[19:56] US embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, and
[19:59] big anti-American protests were recorded
[20:01] in Berlin, as well as in Moscow.
[20:03] Protesters were there too in the shadow
[20:05] of London's Big Ben today, just a few
[20:07] feet from where the British Parliament
[20:09] approved their nation's military role in
[20:11] the conflict.
[20:13] And in Paris tonight, the strains over
[20:16] this war were vividly on display as a
[20:18] crowd mounted an attack on a symbol of
[20:20] America. Not an embassy, a McDonald's.
[20:24] Dean Reynolds, ABC News, Chicago.
[20:27] >> McDonald's always gets it when uh when
[20:29] people are angry at America. It is the
[20:31] ubiquitous symbol of America in so many
[20:32] parts of the world. Now, it's also
[20:34] happening here in New York City as well
[20:36] as in many other parts of the country
[20:38] today. ABC's Chris Cromo is in New
[20:40] York's Time Square. Chris,
[20:43] >> hello Peter. Uh, we're here at Times
[20:45] Square. As you just said, it's quiet
[20:46] now, but what made this protest very
[20:49] interesting is how quickly it started.
[20:51] At first, there were a couple of dozen
[20:52] people in the rain protesting, and it
[20:54] soon grew to hundreds and then closer to
[20:57] a thousand to maybe 2,000. And it was
[21:00] also interesting in how it was done as
[21:01] almost of a strategic attack protest.
[21:04] They came from the south and from the
[21:06] north, squeezing the police in the
[21:08] middle, right between 42nd and 43rd
[21:10] Street. Three blocks below, three blocks
[21:13] above. They were shouting, "This is what
[21:15] democracy looks like." But soon it
[21:18] turned from peaceful protest into anger
[21:21] and disruption. But to give the police
[21:23] their credit, they held themselves in
[21:25] check and acted very reasonably. more
[21:28] repelling force than actively engaging
[21:30] the crowd. When you talk to these people
[21:33] once the anger subsided, the main point
[21:35] with them seemed to be that they don't
[21:37] understand what the war is about. They
[21:39] were saying no blood for oil, but that
[21:42] was a little bit of a simplistic
[21:43] explanation. Once you went beyond that,
[21:45] they were more in terms of puzzled about
[21:48] why we're at war than having problems
[21:49] with the specific reasons.
[21:52] >> Okay, thanks. Anything else, Chris,
[21:54] there that you say it's gone quiet now,
[21:55] has it?
[21:57] Well, there are still about a thousand
[21:59] people below 42nd Street in organized
[22:02] protest, but the police are marching
[22:04] them downtown slowly.
[22:06] >> Okay, many thanks, Chris Cuomo, and
[22:08] undoubtedly one of our local stations
[22:09] will follow them downtown. By the way,
[22:10] no blood for oil from many people who
[22:13] are opposed to the war is is not
[22:15] complicated at all. They believe the
[22:17] United States wishes to occupy Iraq in
[22:19] the long term to have the oil just to to
[22:22] we understand why they wear those little
[22:23] buttons, no blood for oil. Um, now we're
[22:26] going to go back out uh uh to the region
[22:29] again. You saw a little while earlier or
[22:31] you heard a little while earlier, Mike
[22:32] Surere. Uh he is, I think I mentioned
[22:35] before, a former Marine from California.
[22:37] He went overseas with the Marines. He's
[22:38] been with the battalion company Fox 25
[22:42] uh ever since they were deployed
[22:44] overseas. And here is a report that he
[22:46] put together a little earlier.
[22:50] There's no indication of any chemical
[22:52] weapons being used at this time, but we
[22:54] are in full chemical suits. And before
[22:57] we launched the invasion, we had to dawn
[22:59] our masks at least six times over a
[23:02] 4hour period. We are with the fifth
[23:04] Marine regiment now approximately 2
[23:08] miles inside.
[23:10] We just crossed the border. We are in
[23:12] southern Iraq. They're trying to get as
[23:14] far north as they can before the moon
[23:16] gets too bright.
[23:18] Okay, we know from this is now 6:15 GMT
[23:23] time. We know approximately 12 hours
[23:26] ago. Some Okay, that's a BM. We're
[23:29] through the BM through another BM. We
[23:31] did have a report that an estimated 30
[23:34] Iraqis surrendered at the border about
[23:37] 11 hours ago to one of the
[23:39] reconnaissance patrols as they were
[23:41] making their way and scouting the border
[23:46] for over 12 hours. We've had four gas
[23:49] masks and chemical warnings where we've
[23:51] had to go to full gas mask and full
[23:53] chemical gear. Although there's been no
[23:55] confirmation of any chemical weapons so
[23:58] far, there have been three or four
[23:59] missile launchings that have made us all
[24:01] d our gear and take cover. Uh, and I
[24:04] think those were the incidents that led
[24:07] up to us doing an early invasion. Once
[24:09] they figured we were on the line on the
[24:11] border and started firing missiles and
[24:13] intelligence indicated that there were
[24:15] tanks up there, the decision was made to
[24:17] go about 12 hours earlier than planned.
[24:21] Uh I would estimate that we're going
[24:23] about 20 mph which is pretty good speed
[24:25] at night. It is nighttime now and with
[24:28] all the indications there's a full moon
[24:29] has come up now and we are trying to
[24:31] move as quickly as we can before the
[24:33] moon gets too much higher. It
[24:34] illuminates our position. We are having
[24:36] a hard time having the other vehicles
[24:38] keep up with us because they are running
[24:40] into ditches and ravines. They're using
[24:43] their night vision goggles and are
[24:44] moving as quickly as they can. We are
[24:47] spread out across the desert. uh all
[24:49] kinds of tanks, armored assault vehicles
[24:52] and uh Humpies with uh uh anti-tank
[24:56] weaponry on it. So it is a it has a bit
[24:58] of a rush across the desert. I look to
[25:01] my left, I look to my right, I can see
[25:03] the shadows of vehicles just in the
[25:04] moonlight. I cannot give you our
[25:07] location. Uh the main thing though is we
[25:09] got through we got through we breached
[25:11] the line went through the concertina
[25:13] wire and got through rather quickly and
[25:15] did not get any opposition until just
[25:17] about 15 minutes ago. We're still moving
[25:19] forward here
[25:21] as we accelerate. I may have to get
[25:23] under cover here maybe engaging a couple
[25:25] of the tanks here. This is Mike for ABC
[25:28] News.
[25:30] >> This is what General Jawan discovered.
[25:31] Uh Mike on the move and moving very
[25:34] quickly about 25 or 30 mph today, which
[25:37] if you think about it is being done
[25:38] wearing night vision goggles with the
[25:40] driver uh going over natural obstacles
[25:42] on the ground uh as they go across the
[25:45] line of departure into Iraq. Not a very
[25:48] uh easy challenge or a very difficult
[25:51] challenge for people in the field at
[25:52] this point. Just a a couple of other
[25:54] issues here about the degree to which
[25:57] people were surprised by this. on board
[25:59] the USS Cowpens which is at sea today.
[26:01] We just had a dispatch saying that they
[26:03] fired 11 Tomahawk missiles from the ship
[26:05] and many of the crew members on board
[26:07] actually woke up when the tomahawk
[26:08] missiles were being fired. So it will
[26:10] tell you how few people were privy to
[26:12] that attack on the leadership compound
[26:15] as it has been described in Baghdad. Um
[26:17] earlier today speaking of Baghdad and
[26:19] speaking of the opposition to the war
[26:21] which you've just seen, we had a chance
[26:22] to talk to Dr. Hans Blicks, uh, the
[26:24] Swedish diplomat who was in charge of
[26:26] the chemical and biological weapons
[26:28] inspection program in Iraq. He dropped
[26:30] by here to the newsroom a little while
[26:31] ago. And here is a brief excerpt of our
[26:34] conversation. Then
[26:37] >> we did not find any weapons of mass
[26:39] destruction. They may be there. Our
[26:41] analysis shows that it's possible, but
[26:43] our analysis do not show that it that
[26:45] they necessarily have it. Uh, so we
[26:48] would all like to have certainty about
[26:50] that. And now that we have gone out and
[26:52] the US is going in, uh we do hope that
[26:54] the specialists who the United States
[26:55] are bringing that they will bring
[26:57] clarity about it. I
[26:58] >> want to ask you one instinct question,
[27:00] >> please.
[27:00] >> Having been through everything you've
[27:02] been through, do you think there are
[27:04] weapons of mass destruction somewhere in
[27:06] Iraq?
[27:07] >> It would be strange if they did not have
[27:08] it. On the other hand, seeing the Iraqi
[27:10] conduct when they have been almost
[27:13] frantic lately and showering us with
[27:15] letters and and explanations and
[27:17] explorations of how do you dig up,
[27:19] measure antrax in the ground, etc. It's
[27:22] puzzling. Of course, there's only been
[27:24] one truth at any given time in Iraq and
[27:26] that's the one set by Saddam Hussein.
[27:27] >> That's a very good point. You had a huge
[27:29] amount of experience with the Iraqis.
[27:30] Did you ever think you knew Saddam
[27:31] Hussein at all? No, we never met him.
[27:34] And I think that he probably figures
[27:36] himself as a sort of emperor of
[27:37] Mesopotamia and that that he would not
[27:40] uh descend to talk to lowly creatures
[27:43] like an a chief inspector.
[27:46] >> It's in some respects is one of the
[27:48] phrases of the day. Dr. Huns, the only
[27:50] truth in Iraq is Saddam Hussein's truth.
[27:52] And of course, it is that which the
[27:54] United States is going to make every
[27:56] effort now to change. Um, a brief review
[28:00] of some of the other days developments
[28:02] coming along in the moment, but the
[28:03] third infantry division, I'm told, is
[28:05] now on the move. And Jack McQuey at the
[28:07] Pentagon has some sense of precisely
[28:09] what's happening in the field. Jack,
[28:11] >> Peter, when the third infantry moves, it
[28:14] is the heart of the American force. Uh,
[28:17] that and the Marine Corps, of course,
[28:19] the two columns that are likely to move
[28:21] north uh in north towards Baghdad. So
[28:25] when the third infantry finally goes,
[28:27] you have this uh massive attack force,
[28:30] lots of helicopters and tanks, uh the
[28:32] heaviest and the toughest that the US
[28:34] has right now. Uh and they are what is
[28:37] called the tip of the spear. So when
[28:40] they are moving, the offensive on the
[28:42] ground has really begun.
[28:43] >> Now I have a note handed to me, Jack,
[28:45] that says there major explosives and
[28:46] bombing reported in Iraq as they go
[28:49] forward. Can you tell us more? Um, I
[28:52] can't, Peter. Uh, one can certainly
[28:54] imagine what that is, but I do not have
[28:57] the facts as to what it is. When a a
[29:00] division like this starts moving, it
[29:01] puts its Apache helicopters out in
[29:03] front. Uh, and anything that gets in
[29:06] their way, they start uh hammering. Uh,
[29:09] in addition to that, there is some
[29:11] closeair support that has been working
[29:13] around the city of Basra uh all day and
[29:16] into the night uh trying to soften that
[29:19] part of the battlefield. for the
[29:21] advancing forces
[29:22] >> in your building. Jack, do they believe
[29:24] that um Kaser, which is just one of the
[29:26] port cities just below Basra, has
[29:28] actually been captured either by the
[29:30] British or by the US.
[29:32] >> They are refusing to comment. Peter, um
[29:36] there has been a dispute between the
[29:38] press and central command for the last
[29:40] several hours. Uh Tommy Franks has been
[29:43] upset with uh some of the things that
[29:45] have been reported in the press and he
[29:47] is stopping providing us with details.
[29:49] Okay, thanks very much John McCarthy.
[29:51] That's Colonel Tommy Franks in Qatar at
[29:53] the commanding officer of the entire
[29:55] operation. This is ABC News continuing
[29:58] live coverage of the war with Iraq.
[30:09] I'm Peter Jennings at ABC News
[30:11] headquarters in New York. You are seeing
[30:13] what would normally be for some parts of
[30:15] the country. ABC's World News Tonight.
[30:16] But as you can tell, our coverage has uh
[30:19] been continuing for many hours and will
[30:21] continue for many hours more. But just
[30:24] to begin this particular period at 7:00
[30:26] Eastern time, um 4:00 in the Pacific
[30:31] time zone, a brief review of the day's
[30:34] developments and the US war against
[30:36] Iraq. As of now, US and British forces
[30:39] launched a new round of cruise missile
[30:41] attacks at government facilities in
[30:44] Baghdad. They were launched both from
[30:46] the Persian Gulf and from the Red Sea,
[30:49] both by ships and by submarines, both by
[30:52] the American forces and by the British
[30:55] forces as well. And then US-led forces
[30:58] in Kuwait launched a ground assault
[30:59] against Iraq. We've most recently heard
[31:01] that the Third Infantry Division has
[31:03] begun to move within the last few
[31:05] moments. There are or last few minutes
[31:07] anyway. And there are reports denied by
[31:10] Iraq and not confirmed by US command
[31:13] that the Iraqi port town of Um Kaser,
[31:15] which is just below Basra on your map
[31:17] there, has been captured. That's the FA
[31:19] Peninsula as they call it there. That is
[31:21] Iraq's only access to the sea. US
[31:25] artillery units, we do know from Kuwait
[31:27] and on the line of departure, as it's
[31:29] called, fired on Iraqi positions during
[31:31] this initial assault and we are told
[31:33] from our reporters in the field there
[31:34] was reportedly not much opposition. The
[31:38] US is still updating and trying to
[31:40] assess the damage.