CBS News - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 5 p.m. (E)

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[0:04] This CBS News special report is part of

[0:07] our continuing coverage of America at

[0:10] War

[0:12] from CBS News headquarters in New York.

[0:14] Here is Dan Rather.

[0:17] >> 5:00 p.m. in the East, the United

[0:19] States, 100 a.m. Friday in a newly hit

[0:22] Baghdad. Among the top headlines at this

[0:24] hour, US forces launched a second round

[0:27] of air strikes on Baghdad, setting

[0:29] several buildings on fire, sending a

[0:31] huge plume of black smoke over a lot of

[0:34] the city. The Pentagon says Republican

[0:37] Guard barracks on the outskirts of

[0:38] Baghdad were among the targets. Iraqi

[0:41] radio says Saddam Hussein's family home

[0:43] was hit, but with no casualties. No

[0:45] confirmation of that. In the skies over

[0:47] the Persian Gulf state of Qatar,

[0:50] American F-15s and F-16s could be seen

[0:53] roaring through the night on their

[0:54] classified missions where they were

[0:56] going to hit what we do not know. To the

[0:59] south, CBS News correspondent John

[1:01] Roberts with the First Marine Division

[1:03] reports it has crossed the border from

[1:05] Kuwait into Iraq. By south, I mean, of

[1:08] course, south well south of Baghdad. The

[1:10] Pentagon cautious that this is not the

[1:14] start of the big allied ground push or

[1:16] for that matter the big aerial push.

[1:19] They say that is still to come, the

[1:21] so-called shock and awe phase of the

[1:23] campaign. At the White House, President

[1:26] Bush met with his cabinet today. He

[1:28] expressed thanks to US troops for their

[1:30] sacrifice. And in Britain, Prime

[1:32] Minister Tony Blair is addressing his

[1:34] nation. Let's listen to some of what he

[1:36] has to say. On Tuesday night, I gave the

[1:39] order for British forces to take part in

[1:41] military action in Iraq. Tonight,

[1:44] British servicemen and women are engaged

[1:46] from air, land, and sea. Their mission

[1:49] to remove Saddam Hussein from power and

[1:51] disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass

[1:53] destruction.

[1:55] I know this course of action has

[1:57] produced deep divisions of opinion in

[1:59] our country. But I know also the British

[2:02] people will now be united in sending our

[2:05] armed forces our thoughts and prayers.

[2:08] They are the finest in the world and

[2:10] their families and all of Britain can

[2:12] have great pride in them.

[2:14] The threat to Britain today is not that

[2:17] of my father's generation.

[2:20] War between the big powers is unlikely.

[2:22] Europe is at peace. The Cold War already

[2:24] a memory.

[2:26] But this new world faces a new threat.

[2:30] of disorder and chaos born either of

[2:34] brutal states like Iraq armed with

[2:36] weapons of mass destruction or of

[2:38] extreme terrorist groups. Both hate our

[2:42] way of life, our freedom, our democracy.

[2:46] My fear deeply held based in part on the

[2:49] intelligence that I see is that these

[2:51] threats come together and deliver

[2:53] catastrophe to our country and our

[2:56] world.

[2:57] These tyrannical states do not care for

[2:59] the sanctity of human life. The

[3:01] terrorists delight in destroying it.

[3:05] Some say if we act we become a target.

[3:08] The truth is all nations are targets.

[3:11] Bali was never in the front line of

[3:13] action against terrorism. America didn't

[3:15] attack al-Qaeda. They attacked America.

[3:19] Britain has never been a nation to hide

[3:22] at the back. But even if we were, it

[3:25] wouldn't avail us.

[3:27] Should terrorists obtain these weapons

[3:29] now being manufactured and traded around

[3:31] the world, the carnage they could

[3:34] inflict to our economies, our security,

[3:37] to world peace would be beyond our most

[3:40] vivid imagination.

[3:42] My judgment as prime minister is that

[3:44] this threat is real, growing, and of an

[3:48] entirely different nature to any

[3:50] conventional threat to our security that

[3:52] Britain has faced before.

[3:55] For 12 years, the world tried to disarm

[3:57] Saddam after his wars in which hundreds

[4:00] of thousands died. UN weapons inspectors

[4:04] say vast amounts of chemical and

[4:06] biological poisons such as anthrax, VX

[4:10] nerve agent, and mustard gas remain

[4:12] unaccounted for in Iraq.

[4:15] So, our choice is clear. Back down and

[4:19] leave Saddam hugely strengthened or

[4:22] proceed to disarm him by force.

[4:25] retreat might give us a moment of

[4:27] restite, but years of repentance at our

[4:30] weakness would, I believe, follow.

[4:34] It is true Saddam is not the only

[4:35] threat, but it is true also, as we

[4:38] British know, that the best way to deal

[4:41] with future threats peacefully is to

[4:43] deal with present threats with resolve.

[4:47] Removing Saddam will be a blessing to

[4:50] the Iraqi people. 4 million Iraqis are

[4:53] in exile. 60% of the population

[4:55] dependent on food aid. Thousands of

[4:57] children die every year through

[4:59] malnutrition and disease. Hundreds of

[5:02] thousands have been driven from their

[5:04] homes or murdered.

[5:06] I hope the Iraqi people hear this

[5:08] message. We are with you. Our enemy is

[5:11] not you, but your barbarous rulers. Our

[5:15] commitment to the post Saddam

[5:16] humanitarian effort will be total. We

[5:19] shall help Iraq move towards democracy

[5:22] and put the money from Iraqi oil in a UN

[5:25] trust fund so that it benefits Iraq and

[5:29] no one else.

[5:31] Neither should Iraq be our only concern.

[5:33] President Bush and I have committed

[5:35] ourselves to peace in the Middle East

[5:38] based on a secure state of Israel and a

[5:41] viable Palestinian state. We will strive

[5:44] to see it done.

[5:46] But these challenges and others that

[5:48] confront us, poverty, the environment,

[5:51] the ravages of disease, require a world

[5:54] of order and stability.

[5:57] Dictators like Saddam, terrorist groups

[6:00] like Alqaeda threaten the very existence

[6:04] of such a world.

[6:06] That is why I've asked our troops to go

[6:09] into action tonight.

[6:11] As so often before, on the courage and

[6:15] determination of British men and women

[6:17] serving our country, the fate of many

[6:21] nations rests. Thank you.

[6:24] >> British Prime Minister Tony Blair

[6:26] addressing the British people.

[6:29] Now, we'll go to CBS News correspondent

[6:33] and our national security correspondent

[6:35] David Martin at the Pentagon. David,

[6:38] let's review where we are and where this

[6:40] appears to be going.

[6:42] you know, after all day sort of chasing

[6:45] all of the details of a very large

[6:47] military operation, you can finally sort

[6:50] of step back and and try and see uh the

[6:53] big picture. And let me see if I can

[6:54] relate it to you, at least as I

[6:56] understand it. Uh first place, let's

[6:58] take the uh the air campaign. We have

[7:01] not yet seen the great shock and awe air

[7:04] campaign that uh we had talked about in

[7:07] the weeks leading up to this uh to this

[7:09] war. Uh the strikes on Baghdad to date

[7:13] have been relatively small. There was

[7:15] the strike last night which involved

[7:16] about uh uh 36 cruise missiles and uh a

[7:20] couple of 2,000lb bombs in an effort to

[7:23] uh uh get Saddam and the senior

[7:25] leadership. And then there was a strike

[7:27] uh uh today our time again when darkness

[7:30] fell in Baghdad which only involved

[7:31] about two dozen cruise missiles against

[7:33] four targets in Baghdad which is really

[7:36] uh pretty minor stuff compared to the

[7:39] hundreds of cruise missiles that had

[7:41] been talked about uh in the run-up to

[7:43] this uh war. What's going on here is uh

[7:48] that they are just keeping a little

[7:51] pressure on while they conduct secret

[7:54] negotiations which the secretary of

[7:56] defense referred to publicly today. He

[7:58] said they were in uh communication with

[8:01] members not just of the regular army but

[8:03] of the Republican guards and the special

[8:06] republican guards, Saddam's most loyal

[8:08] troops defending Baghdad. So they are

[8:11] not taking out all the targets they

[8:13] could take out in Baghdad while these

[8:15] negotiations are going on. And I'm sure

[8:18] a part of the negotiations

[8:20] uh is uh the American side saying u you

[8:24] see those two dozen cruise missiles that

[8:26] came in well multiply that by 10 and

[8:29] you'll see what's going to happen if you

[8:31] don't surrender. Uh so that's what's

[8:33] going on up uh around Baghdad. And uh

[8:37] the the shock and awe campaign, if you

[8:39] will, has not been uh called off. It's

[8:42] it's simply been delayed. And the ground

[8:45] campaign has now been put in front of

[8:47] the air campaign. That's an exact

[8:49] reversal. It used to be that uh first we

[8:52] were going to have the air campaign to

[8:53] soften up Iraqi defenses and then the

[8:56] ground campaign would uh kick off. But

[8:58] uh now that we've come down to it, it's

[9:00] so clear that the Iraqi defenses are so

[9:04] soft uh that they don't need much

[9:06] preparation from the air. And the ground

[9:08] campaign u is you might say already in

[9:12] progress, but the what you would call

[9:14] the full tilt invasion of Iraq has not

[9:18] yet begun, but that is just hours away.

[9:20] Uh what you're seeing now is uh the uh

[9:24] the preparation of the uh battlefield

[9:27] clearing out uh Iraqi observation posts

[9:31] and any trench lines or other obstacles

[9:33] that are on the uh Iraqi side of the

[9:36] border. The Marines are already in uh

[9:39] Kuwait. I don't know if we've had a

[9:41] report yet from John Roberts, but he's

[9:43] with the First Marine Division and

[9:46] reporters there are are saying that they

[9:48] are already inside. Uh

[9:50] >> Excuse me, David. I hate to interrupt

[9:51] you, but um it would be confusing for

[9:53] our viewers while you were away checking

[9:55] your sources, doing what reporters do,

[9:57] doing your leg work. We had an extended

[10:00] series of reports from John Roberts with

[10:02] the US Marines inside Iraq.

[10:05] >> Well, then I'll leave the Marines alone.

[10:07] Let's let's uh let's uh concentrate on

[10:10] the uh the army, the uh the third

[10:12] infantry division. The reason I think

[10:15] that their uh push into Iraq has been uh

[10:18] accelerated is the desire to get to

[10:22] those oil fields before they're torched.

[10:24] Uh at the briefing this morning, uh the

[10:27] Secretary of Defense said that he had

[10:30] seen a report that three or four were

[10:33] torched. Well, that's uh that's

[10:34] relatively minor damage if certainly if

[10:37] you compare it to what happened to the

[10:38] oil fields in Kuwait when the Iraqis

[10:40] pulled out of Kuwait 12 years ago. So

[10:43] they have they are moving up the uh the

[10:46] uh ground campaign in order to get to

[10:48] those oil fields and then uh hopefully

[10:52] in the meantime further uh surrender

[10:55] negotiations will uh produce a a sort of

[10:58] rolling surrender northward so that the

[11:00] the third infantry division and the

[11:02] 101st airborne division can can just

[11:05] sort of leaprog up to Baghdad without

[11:07] encountering any stiff resistance.

[11:10] That's the plan. We'll of course uh uh

[11:13] see if it works. Now on uh casualties

[11:16] and losses, I am still not aware of any

[11:21] uh American uh servicemen who have been

[11:24] killed or wounded in this operation. Uh

[11:27] we we have now have two helicopters that

[11:30] I I know of that have gone down. Uh

[11:33] they've both gone down uh on hard

[11:35] landings. uh one uh so hard that it

[11:39] could not fly again and had to be

[11:40] destroyed in place. The other an Apache

[11:43] helicopter uh also went down with a hard

[11:46] landing in Iraq, but that could fly

[11:49] again and uh was able to get back to a

[11:53] safe area. That helicopter may have been

[11:57] uh brought down by enemy fire. It had an

[11:59] onboard uh fire which forced it to land

[12:02] and it's not clear whether the onboard

[12:04] fire was called caused by small arms

[12:07] fire from the ground or whether it was

[12:09] simply a problem on board the aircraft.

[12:12] So that's the uh the latest from here.

[12:15] >> David, I want to go back to something.

[12:17] Uh as far as I can make out, this is

[12:19] breaking news that there are these what

[12:22] I will call backdoor negotiations

[12:24] underway.

[12:25] >> Yeah. uh with uh the Iraqis, including

[12:28] uh some in the uh elite Republican

[12:30] guards. Can you expand on that some? And

[12:32] do we know whether that's happening with

[12:34] people close in in around Saddam Hussein

[12:36] himself?

[12:38] >> I don't know how how close it is to his

[12:41] inner circle. Of course, uh we're still

[12:43] trying to figure out if that cruise

[12:45] missile attack of the night before

[12:47] killed his inner circle. So I doubt that

[12:49] they're going on with the uh uh the

[12:51] inner circle who seem to have uh gone to

[12:53] ground either one way or the other. Uh

[12:56] so I think what we're talking about here

[12:58] is is the commanders of individual uh

[13:01] Republican guards divisions or brigades

[13:04] uh uh general officers uh people of that

[13:08] rank. Um

[13:10] >> David, excuse me. Excuse me for one

[13:12] moment.

[13:13] >> Got it. And we're going to go to Kuwait

[13:15] City and Mark Phillips where there's

[13:16] another gas attack alert. We don't know

[13:18] whether it's attack but the alert. Mark

[13:20] Phillips, are you there? Gas mask and

[13:22] all.

[13:23] >> Yes, I am, Dan. It's just an alert this

[13:26] time. The sirens started their warbling

[13:29] whale here about 30 seconds or so ago.

[13:32] Uh, we've gone these gas masks again.

[13:34] >> Excuse me, Mark, if you'd be kind

[13:36] enough, please, to hold that microphone

[13:37] up. That That's it.

[13:39] >> All right.

[13:39] >> Better.

[13:40] >> Okay. As I say, this is the sixth time

[13:42] today that we've been under one of these

[13:44] alerts. You can, I'm sure, hear the uh

[13:46] sirens wailing uh in the background. Uh

[13:49] we haven't yet had any kind of impact

[13:51] either on this one or any of the earlier

[13:53] ones in Kuwait City itself. Although

[13:56] there was one reported hits hit on the

[13:59] outskirts of Kuwait. Uh the sixth time

[14:02] today that this harassing attacks uh

[14:05] have happened. Uh we have received uh

[14:09] news of about eight of eight missiles

[14:12] having been launched in the direction of

[14:15] Allied forces in Kuwait and in the

[14:17] general direction of Kuwait City and one

[14:20] the last one two missiles flying down

[14:22] the coast in the general direction of an

[14:24] oil refinery we now know uh just south

[14:27] uh of Kuwait city itself. Uh it's almost

[14:30] become routine here for these things to

[14:32] happen. Uh but there's a real danger and

[14:34] a sense of uh complacency. The sirens

[14:37] have stopped now. We'll be under this

[14:39] alert and we'll just stand by here to

[14:41] report to you uh if in fact this turns

[14:43] out to be something more than just a

[14:46] scare. Dan,

[14:47] >> uh Mark Phillips, any panic in Kuwait

[14:49] City?

[14:52] >> There isn't any panic. Uh there's a lot

[14:54] of excitement of course when this

[14:55] happens and with each successive uh

[14:58] going over again of this routine, people

[15:00] uh seem to know what to do more quickly.

[15:04] We dawn our masks more quickly. People

[15:06] head to various shelters around the town

[15:08] more quickly. I will say though that not

[15:11] everybody in this town is protected in

[15:13] the same way that we are uh in this

[15:16] population here of just over 2 million.

[15:19] Basically twothirds of the people here

[15:21] are foreign workers. Many of them coming

[15:23] from the Philippines or from India and

[15:26] Pakistan and Sri Lanka. They aren't

[15:28] equipped uh with this kind of equipment.

[15:31] Uh earlier indications today were that

[15:34] they hadn't been very well trained.

[15:36] There hadn't been drills here uh telling

[15:38] people where to go. But each time this

[15:41] has happened today, the streets empty

[15:43] out a little more quickly and people

[15:45] seem to find shelter somewhere or other.

[15:48] Mark Phillips in Kuwait City where

[15:49] there's another alert. Uh, eight

[15:52] missiles have been directed toward

[15:54] Kuwait City and Northern Kuwait in

[15:56] general during the day. At least two of

[15:59] them believed to been knocked down by US

[16:01] Patriot missiles. We don't know whether

[16:02] it was the so-called pack three, the

[16:04] most advanced Patriot missile or some

[16:06] others, but at least two of the eight

[16:08] are believed to been knocked down by the

[16:10] Patriots and perhaps more. One came down

[16:13] with a sort of anticlimactic thud in the

[16:15] general area of some US Marines earlier

[16:16] in the day. No casualties anywhere,

[16:19] nothing, no damage had even been done uh

[16:21] by the Scud. Uh we don't know it was a

[16:23] Scud by whatever missile it was fired

[16:25] out of Iraq. Now, we're going to go back

[16:27] to the Pentagon uh because uh David

[16:30] Martin, our national security

[16:31] correspondent, uh has been doing leg

[16:34] work, doing telephone work, and was just

[16:36] unloading a motherload of uh new

[16:39] information. David, we were talking

[16:41] about this information that the

[16:42] Secretary of Defense uh had mentioned uh

[16:46] that some uh deals were in the process

[16:49] of perhaps being cut. This raises the

[16:51] possibility rightly or wrongly in some

[16:53] people's mind. They may be saying, "Wait

[16:55] a minute, didn't we go through this

[16:56] before? We thought victory, total

[16:59] victory, nothing but victory and

[17:01] complete victory uh was the goal this

[17:03] time. Now we hear the Secretary of

[17:05] Defense talking about, well, we're

[17:07] thinking of striking some deals.

[17:10] Well, the the goal is regime change. Um,

[17:14] and uh so that does not require you to

[17:16] defeat the military uh in depth. Um if

[17:21] if they want to uh uh change sides, that

[17:24] that's fine with the United States. And

[17:27] what's been going on here for months

[17:29] really is a psychological warfare

[17:32] campaign uh directed at the officers of

[17:35] the Republican guards and the special

[17:38] Republican guards. Uh intelligence

[17:41] officers have made uh uh cold phone

[17:43] calls to the homes of uh some of these

[17:46] uh uh commanding uh generals uh telling

[17:50] them they should defect or calling the

[17:52] families and and saying, you know, if

[17:55] your life could be so much better if

[17:57] your husband would uh uh just come over

[17:59] to our side. Uh they would send uh

[18:02] emails. Um, so they've been in in

[18:05] contact for quite some time and I think

[18:08] that uh when the the secret history of

[18:12] uh this war is written, we are going to

[18:14] find that there was a lot uh going on uh

[18:18] in the way of CIA operations inside uh

[18:22] Iraq um on leading up to this war. And

[18:27] uh in particular, I would think that

[18:29] that that operation last night in which

[18:32] the uh US suddenly got uh uh good

[18:35] intelligence on the whereabouts of

[18:37] Saddam Hussein was a CIA operation. And

[18:42] I'll bet you it was a fairly gutsy CIA

[18:44] operation if uh if someone for the CIA

[18:47] was able to uh lay eyes on Saddam

[18:50] Hussein and and report his whereabouts.

[18:52] David, I know you believe as strongly as

[18:54] I do that one should never let one's

[18:56] skepticism lap over uh and harden into

[18:59] cynicism, but when you say uh we know

[19:02] that was good information, I don't think

[19:04] we know yet how good the information

[19:06] was. I take your point, it probably was

[19:07] gathered uh in some gutsy way and it was

[19:11] good reason to believe, but we haven't

[19:12] confirmed uh that the people who were

[19:16] advertised as being there were actually

[19:18] there.

[19:19] >> That's true. Um and actually you would

[19:21] have to say that uh during the course of

[19:24] this day uh optimism uh that

[19:30] Saddam Hussein and his senior leaders

[19:33] were at that place has has not collapsed

[19:36] but it's decreased. if if uh people were

[19:39] a seven on a scale of 10 uh at the

[19:42] beginning of the day that uh in the

[19:44] belief that they really did get him or

[19:46] some of his senior leaders, I think

[19:48] we're probably down to a a five or a six

[19:51] or maybe even a four depending on who

[19:53] you talk to. Some so some of the some of

[19:55] the uh the glow has gone off that

[19:58] strike, but the verdict is still out on

[20:00] on who they got in that. Well, indeed,

[20:02] in fact, the verdict is still out on

[20:03] whether Saddam Hussein appeared uh on

[20:06] live television via videotape, and

[20:08] there's still some skepticism, some

[20:10] questioning about, well, was that one of

[20:12] his doubles or Saddam Hussein himself?

[20:14] David, you raised an interesting point

[20:16] about the negotiations. You think when

[20:17] the history of this period is written

[20:19] that we will find out that there were a

[20:21] lot of things going on behind the scenes

[20:23] trying to get uh the Iraqis to give up

[20:27] at least those outside at least those

[20:30] outside the extreme inner circle of

[20:32] Saddam Hussein. And u retired Air Force

[20:36] General Perry Smith is uh also a

[20:38] distinguished military historian. And uh

[20:41] General Smith, you raise a possible

[20:43] parallel with Mussolini in Italy during

[20:46] World War II. There was a long

[20:48] negotiation and it wound up uh with the

[20:51] Italians capitulating. The Italian army

[20:53] actually surrendered to us even though

[20:55] Kessle Ring who was the military

[20:57] commander for the Germans and the

[20:58] Italians didn't want them to do it. It

[21:00] was after Mussolini had been deposed,

[21:02] but there was a surrender. There had

[21:04] been a lot of combat up to that time,

[21:05] but we negotiated a surrender. There may

[21:07] be some similarities here historically

[21:09] between that situation in Italy toward

[21:11] the end of World War II and what we see

[21:13] here.

[21:13] >> And uh for those who weren't alive at

[21:15] the time or weren't of me memory of age,

[21:17] I was alive in a memory age, but I knew

[21:19] nothing of this or very little of it.

[21:21] What happened? The Italian army looked

[21:23] at the reality of the battlefield and

[21:24] said there's nothing but slaughter and

[21:26] carnage for us and we want to surrender.

[21:29] Whereas bonito Mussolini, the fascist

[21:31] leader of the country was saying you

[21:33] know stand up for the greater honor and

[21:35] glory of Italy. The army negotiated a

[21:37] backroom deal, if you want to call it

[21:39] that, and uh well, the rest is history.

[21:42] Mousolini was slain by his own people.

[21:44] >> They were indeed. And in fact, the

[21:46] Italian army switched and in some cases

[21:48] fought on our side against the Germans

[21:50] at the very end.

[21:53] >> Let me ask you, General, we have a few

[21:54] minutes here before the cutaway.

[21:56] In your judgment, what's the story of

[21:58] the day?

[22:00] >> The story of the day is what everybody's

[22:02] asking. I've been doing some radio

[22:03] interviews, Dan. Why aren't these armed

[22:05] men who are up there in this vulnerable

[22:07] positions, why aren't they going

[22:08] forward? What's holding them back? And I

[22:10] think the answer is we don't want to

[22:12] send them too early. We want to make

[22:14] sure that when they go forward, they're

[22:16] in the best possible shape. So, there

[22:17] has to be a bit of an air campaign ahead

[22:20] of this major operation that easily

[22:23] could take place at first light or at

[22:25] first light in another another day or

[22:26] two. Uh so it's where it's been for a

[22:30] while. The so-called shock and all

[22:32] campaign, both the air section of that

[22:35] and the ground section are still to

[22:37] come. Could come in hours, but could be

[22:40] delayed for another day or two.

[22:41] >> That's correct. And the shock and all

[22:43] will be air power, special forces, and

[22:46] ground power all working in combination.

[22:48] And it's going to be pretty shocking.

[22:50] And it's going to be a fast run for

[22:52] Baghdad as we go forward because so much

[22:54] of the preliminary work's been done as

[22:56] far as surrendering units, isolating

[22:58] units, working out the the uh the lines

[23:02] of communications, getting the field set

[23:04] up, getting the intelligence. There's a

[23:06] lot of work that's been done ahead of

[23:07] time, and when they go, they're going to

[23:09] be really ready. Thank you, General.

[23:12] Well, at this hour, we're soon to be 25

[23:16] minutes. We're about 23 minutes after

[23:17] the hour of 5:00 here in the eastern

[23:19] part of the United States. And it's

[23:21] clear uh that although the Persian Gulf

[23:25] War, the new Persian Gulf War is still

[23:27] in its early stages, uh this much that

[23:30] was advertised turns out to be true.

[23:33] It's nothing like the start of the Gulf

[23:36] War one. It's starting much more

[23:39] gradually than had been widely expected.

[23:41] That's one thing. Uh the slow start uh

[23:45] reflects uh the enormous psychological

[23:49] component as US officials continue to

[23:51] bombard the Iraqis with leaflets, make

[23:54] these disrupting telephone calls, and as

[23:56] we've now heard from David Martin,

[23:58] actually uh the United States government

[24:00] is involved with some negotiations with

[24:02] the Iraqis about the Iraqi army at least

[24:05] about possibly surrendering. Uh the

[24:08] bombardment of selected Baghdad targets

[24:10] has happened twice. once last night and

[24:12] then with a little more force uh today,

[24:14] but still the overall tremendous aerial

[24:18] campaign has uh yet to appear. Now,

[24:22] you're watching CBS News coverage of

[24:24] America at war. Want to tell you that

[24:26] we've been continuously on the air since

[24:28] uh the early morning hours when it

[24:30] became clear that US ground forces were

[24:33] beginning to move and in subsequent

[24:35] hours, we've had the attack on Baghdad.

[24:37] We've had Scott P, our CBS news

[24:39] correspondent, reporting of a helicopter

[24:41] attacks inside Iraq. We've had Jim

[24:43] Axelrod report about the Third Infantry

[24:46] Division ground attacks. And we've had

[24:49] uh John Roberts with the Marines inside

[24:50] Iraq. CBS News coverage will continue in

[24:53] a moment.

[25:06] Pardon me for just a moment. We're

[25:08] gathering ourselves here. CBS News

[25:11] coverage of the war in Iraq rolls on now

[25:13] as we reach 5:25 in the afternoon in the

[25:16] eastern part of the United States. Jane

[25:18] Clayson is in Flemington, New Jersey

[25:20] with some more domestic reaction to the

[25:23] war's onset. Jay,

[25:26] >> Dan, we're about an hour and a half

[25:27] outside New York City. as you say,

[25:29] Flemington, New Jersey. It's a small

[25:31] town, about 8,000 people. We've spent

[25:33] this morning here gauging reaction,

[25:35] getting a sense of how people feel about

[25:37] the start of the war. There's been a lot

[25:39] of activity in Flemington over the last

[25:42] uh 24 hours. I think we have some

[25:44] videotape to show you last night here in

[25:46] Flemington. There was a peace rally and

[25:50] there was also um a peace demonstration.

[25:52] And there was also a rally, a show of

[25:54] support for President Bush and for the

[25:57] war in Iraq, members of the Veterans of

[26:00] Foreign Wars, neighbors, friends, young

[26:02] and old, took part. People were quite

[26:04] opinionated and heated at at times on

[26:06] both sides. But interestingly, Dan, once

[26:09] people here heard about the first

[26:10] strikes in Baghdad, this town pulled

[26:13] together. And today, I can tell you that

[26:16] people collectively here are holding

[26:17] their breath in solidarity with the

[26:19] troops that are fighting right now. uh

[26:22] in in Iraq. Let me introduce you to you

[26:25] quickly, Dan. Uh Michael Proapas, he

[26:27] owns the cafe here on Main Street in

[26:29] Flemington. We've been here all morning.

[26:31] Michael, tell us how the feeling has

[26:33] shifted here in the last 24 hours.

[26:35] >> Well, from a business point of view, we

[26:38] will be quiet one moment, hectic the

[26:41] next moment. It's very

[26:44] hard to expect anything to be at a

[26:47] normal pace. Is there a sense of

[26:50] anxiety, would you say, in town?

[26:52] >> Yes, there is. Yes.

[26:53] >> And a sense of fear. You're so close to

[26:55] New York City.

[26:56] >> Yes.

[26:58] We're You can see people's face that

[27:00] they're not they're uncertain of what's

[27:03] to be expected.

[27:04] >> Mhm. I can also tell you, Dan, I just

[27:06] spoke with one father here uh a few

[27:09] minutes ago, and his son is a Marine

[27:12] somewhere in Kuwait. I asked him how

[27:14] he's holding up uh in these moments

[27:17] after the the air strikes in Iraq and he

[27:20] told me well he broke down and he told

[27:21] me that his biggest fear is chemical

[27:24] weapons. He says he can accept

[27:26] conventional warfare but it's the

[27:27] chemical weapons the biological weapons

[27:29] that keeps him up at night. Bottom line

[27:32] here from Main Street Cafe, from Michael

[27:34] to the rest of the folks here in the

[27:36] cafe, American flags are flying high

[27:39] proudly on this very very solemn day in

[27:42] America. Dan

[27:43] >> Shane, thanks. And tell Michael there at

[27:45] the cafe at when this some of the smoke

[27:47] clears is like to drop by for coffee and

[27:50] maybe half a donut or so.

[27:52] >> Okay, we'll do. We'll do.

[27:53] >> Jane Clayson reporting from New Jersey.

[27:58] The US ground operation is now in better

[28:01] context. We're talking about the ground

[28:02] operation inside Iraq, the one reported

[28:04] on by CBS News White House correspondent

[28:07] John Roberts, who's now detached in a

[28:09] combat correspondent inside Iraq. John

[28:12] Roberts was with a Marine reconnaissance

[28:14] outfit inside Iraq. Uh he said they had

[28:17] not engaged in any contact, which is to

[28:19] mean any any firefight. One group of

[28:22] Marines, not with John, uh had done some

[28:24] shooting earlier in the day, and they're

[28:26] believed to have been some Iraqi

[28:27] casualties from that. We don't know the

[28:29] full details. The US Army Third Division

[28:31] Infantry has moved inside Iraq at least

[28:34] a bit and so have some British ground

[28:36] forces. None of this to be confused with

[28:38] special forces or special operations.

[28:40] These are in effect full force units.

[28:42] But that does not mean that the full

[28:45] force ground invasion has started yet.

[28:47] Well, one of the reasons if you're

[28:49] saying to yourself, why did they go into

[28:51] Iraq if it isn't run to Baghdad and to

[28:53] get this thing done? Well, part of it is

[28:56] protection of the force, force

[28:57] protection. If you stay in a static

[28:59] position, the Iraqis might launch

[29:01] artillery or some missile. So force

[29:04] protection may have dictated may have

[29:05] dictated to some of the commanders

[29:07] particularly Tommy Franks who's the

[29:09] overall US commander of this mission uh

[29:12] to get up and move move inside Iraq and

[29:14] push the Iraqis back a little bit also

[29:16] to do a little reconnaissance in there

[29:18] still preparing for the overall big

[29:20] ground invasion which is at uh seemingly

[29:23] at least hours and maybe as General

[29:25] Smith said a few while ago maybe won't

[29:27] come until tomorrow perhaps wouldn't

[29:29] even come until Saturday and David

[29:31] Martin has revealed that there are some

[29:33] u back channel negotiations underway

[29:35] trying to get at least portions of the

[29:37] Iraqi army to surrender. So that's one

[29:40] reason that the air attack has been uh

[29:42] so particularly focused on certain

[29:44] targets and has not been full throttle.

[29:48] We're going to pause with our CBS News

[29:50] coverage of America at War.

[30:06] This CBS News special report is part of

[30:08] our continuing coverage of America at

[30:11] War.

[30:13] From CBS News headquarters in New York,

[30:16] here is Dan Rather.

[30:18] >> And here are some of the latest

[30:19] headlines. The United States launched a

[30:21] second air strike against Baghdad today.

[30:23] CBS News correspondent David Martin says

[30:26] the quote precision and quote bombing

[30:28] targets uh included Republican Guard

[30:30] positions and other so-called command

[30:33] centers. David Martin reports there are

[30:35] backdoor negotiations underway trying to

[30:38] convince Iraqi troops to desert Saddam

[30:40] Hussein. Of course, the United

[30:42] States-led forces would uh like to get

[30:44] an overall surrender of the Iraqi

[30:46] military. US and British troops have

[30:49] captured the small Iraqi town of Om

[30:51] Casar. It's a very small port town right

[30:53] on the border between Kuwait uh and uh

[30:57] Iraq, not to be confused with the larger

[30:59] Iraqi port of Bashra, which is to the

[31:01] north uh and to the east. CBS News

[31:04] correspondent John Roberts reports the

[31:06] First Marine Division has crossed over

[31:08] from Kuwait into Iraq. Roberts is with

[31:10] them. He's filed reports from inside

[31:12] Iraq. He reports that the early part of

[31:15] the Marine uh incursion there, invasion,

[31:18] if you want to use the word, uh has met

[31:21] no active resistance. That's the

[31:24] situation at the moment. Baghdad was hit

[31:26] again today. It was hit heavier than it

[31:28] was last night. But again, the US is at

[31:30] some pains to say that it's still not a

[31:33] shock at all aerial campaign that only

[31:35] specific targets uh were hit, including

[31:39] one what is believed to be elite

[31:40] Republican Guard outfit. Scott P, CBS

[31:43] News correspondent with 60 Minutes 2, is

[31:45] on the Iraqi border uh where there was

[31:47] some active firing earlier in the day.

[31:49] Scott, uh what's going on there now?

[31:54] Well, at this moment, Dan, I can report

[31:56] that it's all quiet on the southern

[31:58] front, but I wouldn't expect that to

[32:00] last very long. Certainly, the tempo of

[32:02] what we've seen this evening has

[32:04] decreased mightily. I'm still hearing

[32:07] some artillery being fired on occasion

[32:09] over my shoulder. That's Iraq right

[32:12] behind me. But earlier this evening, you

[32:14] just had rolling thunder of artillery.

[32:17] Big 155 mm howitzers firing continually

[32:22] into Iraq. Big MLRS, multiple launch

[32:25] rocket system rockets being fired into

[32:28] Iraq and and literally shaking the earth

[32:31] with their power. What started all of

[32:34] this as nightfell here was a helicopter

[32:37] assault very near the position where I

[32:39] am. And we have some video tape of that

[32:41] helicopter assault. Even our night

[32:43] vision camera could not make out the

[32:45] outlines of the helicopter, but when it

[32:47] launched its Hellfire missiles, you

[32:49] could see those fly, and they would fly

[32:51] for about 6 seconds and then hit their

[32:54] targets.

[32:58] All in all, we counted about nine

[33:00] Hellfire missiles fired from what was

[33:03] apparently one American attack

[33:05] helicopter.

[33:07] The region where the missiles were being

[33:09] fired included a communications tower

[33:13] which was on a hill behind me. We expect

[33:16] that when the sun rises here tomorrow

[33:18] that tower will be gone. This has all

[33:20] seemed to be mostly a scout and cavalry

[33:23] exercise. Dan moving across the border

[33:27] to probe the enemy defenses to take out

[33:30] as many enemy observation posts as

[33:33] possible and as you have said this

[33:35] evening to prepare the ground for a

[33:37] later invasion. Just off to my right and

[33:41] in front of me is an array of American

[33:43] forces, American armor. British forces

[33:46] are off to my left. Iraq is behind me.

[33:49] We have not seen a large movement of all

[33:53] of this armor yet. So, we believe that

[33:56] what we've been experiencing over the

[33:57] last six hours or so has been an attempt

[34:00] to look at the Iraqi force on the

[34:03] ground, test their defenses, soften

[34:06] those defenses, and prepare the ground

[34:08] for a later invasion. Dan,

[34:10] >> you will. When you point to your left,

[34:12] you are pointing to the east.

[34:16] You said that some forces were to

[34:18] >> Dan, this

[34:19] >> go ahead.

[34:22] >> Uh that that's correct. Uh it's it's

[34:25] actually this battlefield where we've

[34:27] been reporting from uh all all afternoon

[34:30] uh is just loaded with troops and armor.

[34:33] Uh it it it covers an arc all the way

[34:37] across the Kuwaiti border. Of course, we

[34:39] don't want to be too specific about

[34:41] where we are because of operational

[34:43] security. Suffice to say that we are

[34:45] right on top of the Iraqi border. The

[34:47] armor has come forward and is standing

[34:49] by. It is ready. We saw a lot of

[34:52] American troops today who were sitting

[34:54] inside their tanks, sitting inside their

[34:56] armored personnel carriers waiting for

[34:59] word to go forward. Uh that word

[35:01] obviously has not come quite yet, but it

[35:03] could come at any time.

[35:05] >> And Scott, we don't want to give up

[35:06] anything with security. When you said

[35:07] the Marines are to your left, that would

[35:09] be to the east of where you are. and

[35:12] some US Army troops are to the west of

[35:14] where you are.

[35:17] >> That's essentially correct, uh, Dan. Uh,

[35:19] the, uh, in fact, I'm now hearing the

[35:22] howitzers going off again. You might be

[35:24] able to hear those in the background.

[35:26] Uh, I believe Jim Axelrod reported

[35:28] earlier this evening that elements of

[35:30] the third infantry division were firing

[35:33] their howitzers. And I believe that

[35:36] those are 155 mm howitzers we're

[35:39] hearing. And I'm hearing a large noise

[35:41] coming at me right now.

[35:44] It is another helicopter. Uh it is dark

[35:48] here obviously and I can't make out the

[35:49] helicopter. I don't know if it's an

[35:51] attack helicopter or not. We have seen

[35:53] quite a few attack helicopters attacking

[35:56] the position just immediately behind me,

[35:59] but we will know more about what this is

[36:01] all about in a couple of minutes, I'm

[36:02] sure.

[36:03] >> Thank you, Scott P. live from the Kuwait

[36:05] Iraqi border. We go now to Senator John

[36:07] Warner in Washington. Uh, Senator, what

[36:11] can you tell us about these back channel

[36:12] negotiations that uh with Republican

[36:15] Guard officials that uh our

[36:17] correspondent David Martin has been

[36:18] reporting?

[36:20] >> Dan, I've been on the floor of the

[36:22] Senate now for 4 hours managing the

[36:25] debate which just moments ago concluded

[36:29] with a unanimous vote by the Senate of

[36:32] the United States in support of the

[36:34] president, the men and women of the

[36:35] armed forces and their families. So I

[36:38] don't have anything to add to your your

[36:41] question there.

[36:42] >> Well, I know that uh you of course are

[36:44] kept a breast of things uh consistent

[36:46] with security. Did the United States get

[36:49] Saddam Hussein last night to your

[36:51] knowledge?

[36:52] >> Um Dan, we have received briefings here

[36:56] during the course of the day. We are

[36:57] about to receive another one here in an

[36:59] hour, but uh we have no facts to add to

[37:03] that situation. It would be my strongest

[37:07] recommendation that only the information

[37:09] that comes from the Department of

[37:12] Defense uh should be regarded as the

[37:14] credible answer to that question.

[37:17] Senator, you said you just came out of a

[37:19] long debate about support. How did that

[37:21] go? Give us some highlights and

[37:23] lowlights. Well, it was a very strong

[37:25] debate, probably uh close to 40 to 50

[37:28] senators and there'd be others debating

[37:30] with it later on today. Uh but it it

[37:34] clearly showed across the aisle strong

[37:38] support and that's owing to our majority

[37:40] leader Frist and Senator Dashel. He

[37:44] united in writing this resolution. and I

[37:46] had a hand in it too with Senator Levan

[37:49] of the Armed Services Committee and

[37:52] we're very heartened by the

[37:54] reconciliation of the Senate of the

[37:56] United States unanimously behind our

[38:00] president and the men and women of the

[38:01] armed forces and their families.

[38:03] >> And it was unanimous vote, Senator,

[38:05] >> that is correct. Republican Senator John

[38:08] Warner, who is chairman of the Armed

[38:09] Services Committee, thank you for being

[38:10] with us this evening.

[38:12] >> Thank you, Dan. Thank you for your hard

[38:13] work on this important subject. Thank

[38:16] you very much, Senator. After fighting

[38:18] Saddam Hussein for more than 12 years,

[38:20] the United States last night targeted

[38:22] him directly, trying to kill him. Now,

[38:26] you know, Saddam Hussein, anybody's ever

[38:28] been around him knows that the very

[38:30] essence of this man is survival,

[38:33] personal survival. He's lived a life

[38:35] dedicated to the proposition uh that if

[38:38] he survives, he wins. You may have heard

[38:41] him make the argument that he believed

[38:43] he had won Gulf War uh the first Gulf

[38:46] War because he remained in power. He was

[38:49] still there. Never mind if you will, he

[38:51] didn't say this of course, but never

[38:53] mind that literally tens of if not

[38:56] hundreds of thousands of his own people

[38:58] were killed or maimed. So to understand

[39:01] Saddam Hussein, one must understand how

[39:03] deep in his marrow is the survival

[39:06] instinct. and he will sometimes play the

[39:08] fox, sometimes play in his own mind at

[39:10] least the proverbial line, anything to

[39:12] survive. He's never had to fight for

[39:15] survival as he is in these hours. Now,

[39:18] with that in mind, Anthony Mason takes a

[39:20] look at this man who is now dead on in

[39:23] the crosshairs of a enormous US

[39:28] military. Anthony,

[39:29] >> Dan, of course, the last look we had at

[39:31] Saddam was apparently in the early hours

[39:33] of this morning, our time, last night,

[39:35] actually in the morning, Iraqi time. He

[39:37] looked puffy in in those images. He

[39:39] looked somewhat pale on Iraqi

[39:41] television. So, the question is, was

[39:43] that the real Saddam? We heard from

[39:45] Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld this

[39:47] morning, Secretary of Defense, rather

[39:48] Don Rumsfeld, who said there is debate

[39:50] about that. White House spokesman Ari

[39:52] Fleer said, "We've reached no

[39:54] conclusions. We do know that officials

[39:56] have been studying this tape and the

[39:57] voice patterns very carefully. We also

[39:59] know that Saddam has doubles, at least

[40:01] three of them, who serve as decoys at

[40:03] times and have been used frequently. So,

[40:05] was this one of them? Saddam wore thick

[40:08] rimmed glasses that you see there. Now,

[40:10] that's unusual for a man as vain as

[40:11] Saddam, and some people say they've

[40:13] never seen him appear in those before.

[40:15] One thing, one other thing that has the

[40:17] US suspicious, and that is this.

[40:18] According to the Associated Press, um an

[40:21] AP military source said that military

[40:24] intelligence has been picking up signs

[40:26] that uh Saddam and his senior leadership

[40:28] were either incapacitated or out of

[40:31] communication with their battlefield

[40:33] commanders for a time. But as others

[40:35] have pointed out, whether or not that

[40:37] was in fact Saddam on television uh in

[40:39] the early hours of the morning, there

[40:41] may still be the real Saddam out there

[40:43] somewhere. Dan

[40:44] >> Anthony Mason, you may want to note,

[40:46] those of you who are riding along with

[40:48] us here, that the Iraqi military has

[40:50] appeared uh unable to muster a co a

[40:55] coordinated response to the air attacks

[40:58] last night and today. uh that would uh

[41:02] raise the possibility that whether

[41:04] Saddam Hussein is alive or hurt or dead.

[41:09] Uh that one mission is already pretty

[41:11] far along and that is decapitating,

[41:14] disconnecting, if you will, his ability

[41:16] to communicate with his people as a

[41:18] whole and perhaps more importantly key

[41:21] members of his bath party, the Stalinist

[41:23] operation that has helped keep him in

[41:25] power and with his own military

[41:27] commanders. Now with all that in mind,

[41:28] let's go to our CBS News consultant and

[41:31] expert on this region of the world,

[41:33] Fuadami, professor at John's Hopkins

[41:35] University. Uh Fuad, good to see you

[41:37] again. Uh can Iraq rule itself without

[41:41] Saddam?

[41:43] >> Well, that's a that's a fundamentally

[41:45] and this is raised by the by the

[41:46] question of the secret negotiations with

[41:48] some of these commanders of of uh these

[41:52] Republican Guard and others. I don't

[41:54] think we're going to opt for Saddamism

[41:56] without Saddam. I don't think we just

[41:58] will decapitate Saddam and then leave

[42:00] the apparatus in place. There are

[42:03] extensive lists, perhaps maybe even up

[42:04] to 2,000 people who will be wanted uh by

[42:08] uh military tribunals in uh in in the

[42:12] aftermath of this war. So, we may

[42:14] negotiate with the Iraqis. We may allow

[42:16] them the chance to surrender, but I

[42:18] don't think we're going to cut a deal

[42:19] with them. We've always asked this

[42:21] question about societies that are ruled

[42:23] by dictators. Can they survive their

[42:25] dictators? They survive them. They are

[42:27] better governed in their aftermath. They

[42:29] hold together. And so I think good

[42:31] riddance to him when he is removed. I

[42:34] think they will be the rudiments there

[42:35] in place for a better order for the

[42:38] Iraqis.

[42:40] >> Provided he's still alive.

[42:42] >> Yes.

[42:43] >> You know Iraq well in the ancient city

[42:46] of Babylon. And I'm reminded uh what a

[42:50] mystical image Babylon forms in the

[42:54] minds of many Arabs uh throughout the

[42:58] world. But is it possible Saddam Hussein

[43:01] can pull an Osama bin Laden and that is

[43:04] fade into the population particularly up

[43:06] near Tit where he was born and make it

[43:09] very difficult not impossible to find

[43:11] him?

[43:11] >> Well, I love this question because I

[43:13] actually have a very straight answer to

[43:15] this one. I think the right analogy for

[43:18] Saddam Hussein is not going to be Osama

[43:20] bin Laden, but it's going to be a man

[43:23] named Nuri Sed who governed Iraq. He was

[43:25] the strong man of Iraq in 1958 when the

[43:28] Onion regime when the monarchy was

[43:31] overthrown and the crowd caught up with

[43:33] Nur on July 15, 1958 found him in the

[43:38] streets dressed in a woman's abaya and

[43:40] they cut him to pieces. I think

[43:42] fundamentally for Saddam there is no

[43:45] escape. He rules a country that hates

[43:47] him. He rules a country that 70 to 80%

[43:50] of it are people who are unalterably

[43:53] opposed to him and would wish to see him

[43:55] done. There's really no no room for him

[43:58] to escape. There is no Tora Bora.

[44:00] There's no Karachi. There is no there's

[44:02] no country into which he could somehow

[44:05] flee. I think his people will find him

[44:07] if we don't ourselves uh take care of

[44:10] him.

[44:11] >> Fouad Ajami speaking to us live from our

[44:14] Washington bureau. Thanks Fuad. We're

[44:15] going to go now with CBS News

[44:17] correspondent Byron Pittz who is

[44:19] somewhere in northern Kuwait at an air

[44:21] base which we will not describe further.

[44:23] Byron.

[44:26] >> Well Dan, we're at a US air base uh not

[44:30] far from the Iraqi border. Uh we're here

[44:32] with a Marine attack helicopter squadron

[44:35] from Camp Pendleton,

[44:38] Camp Pendleton, California, HMLA 169,

[44:41] the Vipers. Dan, thus far this evening,

[44:43] we have had five

[44:47] alarm alerts. What that means is five

[44:50] times a siren has sounded and everyone's

[44:52] been ordered to rush to one of the

[44:54] bunkers here. According to the military,

[44:56] what that means is five times this

[44:58] evening, the radar has picked up some

[45:00] indication of a bomb uh headed in this

[45:03] direction. As a precaution, we've all

[45:06] been told to assume the worst and assume

[45:09] that that bomb might contain chemical

[45:11] weapons. Thus, all of us are required to

[45:14] wear these mop suits, these chemical uh

[45:16] weapon suits. Also, we're required to

[45:18] keep our gas mask close by. When the

[45:21] siren goes off, each of us has about

[45:23] nine seconds to put on our gas mask,

[45:25] which we do, and then make our way to

[45:27] the uh shelter. You put your hood on,

[45:30] you zip up. There's a buddy system here.

[45:32] So, I'm matched with my colleague from

[45:34] CVS News, Chuck Rainey. We go over

[45:36] together. Marines go over

[45:39] >> together uh and they map up each other.

[45:43] >> I'm sorry, Dan. You asking me a

[45:44] question?

[45:49] >> Double check that. Go ahead, Byron.

[45:53] >> Oh, yes, sir. Sorry. At this point that

[45:57] we have hit five of those alerts. Again,

[45:59] an indication of exp of an of a bomb in

[46:02] this vicinity. Earlier, a number of us

[46:04] heard at least two explosions off in the

[46:07] distance. The military told us, quote,

[46:09] "A bomb exploded in the vicinity, but

[46:12] nothing directly close. No damage to any

[46:15] of the equipment here. None of the

[46:17] Marines have been injured. HMLA 169, the

[46:21] Vipers, they will provide close air

[46:24] support for Marines on the ground with

[46:26] their Cobra attack helicopters. They

[46:28] have a weapon system that includes the

[46:29] Hellfire rocket, which can uh take out

[46:32] tanks, the tow missile system, which

[46:34] they would use against light armored

[46:36] vehicles, and a a system called the

[46:39] Fchette rocket. it it's a a rocket that

[46:42] will go out, explode over the

[46:43] battlefield and release shrapnel,

[46:45] killing or maming anyone on the ground.

[46:48] So Dan, that is the situation here at

[46:50] this point. We've had five of those uh

[46:52] alerts each time. Everyone moves

[46:55] quickly. Uh either you walk fast or you

[46:57] run to get there. We spend anywhere from

[47:00] 10 to 15 minutes, in one case, 45

[47:02] minutes in the bunkers before we're

[47:04] finally given the all clear to return.

[47:06] The Marines return to their space. We

[47:09] return to our job. These mobs suit dans,

[47:12] everyone, all of the troops who are at

[47:14] the border making their way into Iraq

[47:17] tonight have similar uniforms on these

[47:21] mobs suits. These chemical weapon suits

[47:23] meant to protect them if chemical

[47:25] weapons are used in this fight. Dan

[47:28] >> Byron Pittz reporting live from an

[47:29] airfield somewhere in North Kuwait. uh

[47:31] northern Kuwait uh where the US Marine

[47:34] unit with with the nickname Vipers waits

[47:37] to provide close helicopter inair

[47:39] support to advancing Marine units. Now

[47:42] CBS News correspondent John Roberts uh

[47:45] has reported earlier in the day, we may

[47:47] have him up shortly for all I know again

[47:49] from inside Iraq with a Marine ground

[47:53] reconnaissance unit. They had uh they

[47:56] encountered no opposition. Therefore,

[47:58] they didn't have to call for helicopter

[48:00] and for that matter fixed wing air

[48:02] support, which is of the kind that Byron

[48:05] Pit is standing by with not too far

[48:07] away. We want to turn now to retired US

[48:12] Air Force General Perry Smith. Harry,

[48:14] uh, General, I have a question for you.

[48:16] But before that, thought occurs to me.

[48:19] There was a school of thought that said

[48:21] the last Gulf War, the first Gulf War

[48:24] was the last war of the machine age, and

[48:27] that this is the first big war of the

[48:32] information age. When we hear about

[48:34] these leaflets being dropped, radio

[48:36] communications intercepted and all kinds

[48:39] of back channel psychological warfare

[48:41] going on including getting the army

[48:44] possibly to surrender. That may be true.

[48:46] What do you think?

[48:47] >> That's true in that dimension, but it's

[48:48] also true in the targeting and the

[48:50] technology relating to airplanes because

[48:52] of information. We're able to retarget

[48:54] bombers for instance with bunch of bombs

[48:56] hanging on these airplanes. the pilots

[48:59] can get a target at the very last minute

[49:00] and retarget each one of those bombs to

[49:03] go at the right place at the very last

[49:04] time. So, it's not just psychological

[49:06] operations where information is

[49:08] important, information warfare, but it's

[49:10] a whole fusing of intelligence and

[49:12] getting information from the sensor to

[49:15] the shooter very quickly. And that is is

[49:18] another very powerful part of the story.

[49:20] >> General, let's talk about the big ground

[49:22] push, the main ground invasion. uh while

[49:26] reconnaissance and uh force protection

[49:28] ground units have already gone into

[49:30] Iraq, the major ground invasion, the

[49:32] full force of it is not hit.

[49:35] Give us an analysis of when you think

[49:37] that is most likely to occur and is it

[49:40] likely to occur under darkness or in the

[49:42] daylight?

[49:43] >> Well, I I don't want to predict what

[49:44] we're going to do, but I would like to

[49:46] talk in kind of generic terms about

[49:47] darkness and and light. If you are going

[49:50] against a strong enemy and you have very

[49:53] good night vision capability and that

[49:55] enemy doesn't, then it's much to your

[49:57] advantage to go at night. If you're

[49:59] going against a weak enemy, then there

[50:02] is advantages of going in the daytime

[50:04] because one of the problems of going at

[50:05] night is even though you have night

[50:07] vision goggles, it's easier to get

[50:09] disoriented. It's easy to get confused

[50:11] on whether it's an enemy tank or it's a

[50:13] a friendly tank, it's it's harder for

[50:15] the air guys to differentiate. And so

[50:18] you're going to have more likelihood of

[50:19] friendly fire at night than you are in

[50:21] the daytime. So as a result of that, the

[50:23] commander, General Franks, has to make

[50:25] the decision. Is it better to go at

[50:27] night or is it better to go in the

[50:28] daytime? It's a fairly close call

[50:30] between the two uh as we go forward. So

[50:33] that's the decision process they're

[50:34] going through and they'll make that

[50:36] decision. Probably have already have

[50:37] made that decision and we're just going

[50:39] to have to see how it comes out.

[50:41] General, would you agree or disagree

[50:42] that the so far as we can look ahead,

[50:46] the next most critical time for viewers

[50:49] to be alert and be watching would be

[50:51] roughly between 9 and 10 p.m. Eastern

[50:55] time tonight or 8 to 9 the central time

[50:58] zone because uh that's when we attacked

[51:02] the first time Baghdad uh the other

[51:05] night and uh that's a time of evening

[51:09] when we would uh it's still dark in

[51:14] Baghdad about to get light we could

[51:16] still use the stealth bombers and so do

[51:19] you agree or disagree well that would be

[51:22] at least among the key hours to watch

[51:24] between 9 and 10 Eastern time. That

[51:26] would be roughly what? Between 4 and

[51:29] 6:00 in the morning in Baghdad.

[51:30] >> If you look historically, Dan, Hours

[51:32] have almost always been very very early

[51:35] in the morning. Hours in D-Day, Hours in

[51:38] the in the Pacific. So that's the kind

[51:40] of historical thing. Early early in the

[51:42] morning so you can take advantage of the

[51:43] full day of light to get the most combat

[51:46] power out there and make the most

[51:48] progress. But General Franks may want to

[51:50] deceive somebody. He may decide no,

[51:52] they're expecting it then they might go

[51:54] at another time. But I I think uh this

[51:56] this evening could be pretty interesting

[51:58] or if not this evening perhaps tomorrow

[52:00] evening. Date line the United Nations

[52:03] Iraq says that it will ask the UN

[52:05] Security Council to respond to the

[52:07] US-led war. I now quote uh the Iraqi

[52:11] state u statement. It calls the attack

[52:14] an illegal act of aggression by a quote

[52:17] terrorist state. That quote terrorist

[52:19] state is in the Iraqis opinion the

[52:21] United States of America. Iraq is also

[52:24] demanding that the US be held

[52:25] accountable before international

[52:27] tribunals for trying to assassinate

[52:29] Saddam Hussein in the first hours of the

[52:32] war. Iraq's UN mission is urging all

[52:34] countries to strongly condemn the war

[52:37] and for people around the world to

[52:38] demonstrate against what it calls quote

[52:40] colonialism, domination, and imperialism

[52:43] quote unquote. Let me pause and say

[52:45] there may be people who say, "Well, you

[52:47] shouldn't be reporting that kind of

[52:48] thing." But the essence of a free and

[52:51] democratic country, uh, is that citizens

[52:53] are entitled to information, even

[52:55] information that may irritate them, uh,

[52:58] to give a full picture. This is what the

[53:00] Iraqis are saying. This is what they're

[53:02] asking for at the UN. What their chances

[53:04] are of getting uh, the UN Security

[53:06] Council to respond to this remains to be

[53:09] seen. John Roberts has filed this report

[53:12] after crossing the border from Kuwait

[53:15] into Iraq in one of the southernmost

[53:16] points uh with the First Marine

[53:19] Division. Let's take a listen and look.

[53:22] >> We have just crossed the border into

[53:25] southern Iraq. Uh we are the the lead

[53:27] element of of what will be a a major

[53:30] push into Iraq from the southern. And uh

[53:34] this was supposed to happen, I should

[53:35] tell you, not until about 10:00 your

[53:38] time, 6:00 a.m. our time, but it all got

[53:40] pushed ahead. And and this push across

[53:43] the border into southern Iraq was

[53:45] followed by some pounding artillery

[53:47] barges. Shells were falling at the rate

[53:49] of of 1 second for 30 minutes at a time.

[53:52] And there were at least three of those

[53:53] before we pushed across the border. We

[53:55] had been staged about 10 kilometers uh

[53:58] south of the Kuwaiti side of the border.

[54:00] But just a few moments ago, Dan, the US

[54:02] Marines pushed across the border into

[54:04] southern Iraq.

[54:05] >> What is the objective of this Marine

[54:08] ground operation inside Iraq? because of

[54:10] operational security. I can't too talk

[54:12] too much about uh what will be coming up

[54:15] in the in the next few hours, but

[54:17] sufficient to say, Dan, I think it's

[54:18] been well reported that one of the main

[54:20] objectives of uh US forces when that

[54:23] once they get inside Iraq is to secure

[54:25] the southern oil field, the Romela oil

[54:27] fields, to make sure that Saddam Hussein

[54:30] does not make good on on what

[54:32] intelligence said was a threat to blow

[54:33] those oil fields. Uh, so that will be

[54:36] one of the main objectives is to get a

[54:38] hold of those and and and then of course

[54:40] obviously the ultimate objective is

[54:41] going to be to to get to Baghdad.

[54:44] >> You're watching continuing CBS News

[54:47] coverage of America at War. Dan Rather

[54:50] at CBS News World Headquarters.

[55:03] Dan Rather back at CBS News World

[55:05] Headquarters in New York. Steven Black,

[55:07] who's a former um armament inspector

[55:11] inside Iraq. You know the country pretty

[55:13] well. You know the people and the

[55:15] geography. You've been listening and

[55:18] watching. What strikes you the most

[55:20] about what we've been reporting over the

[55:22] last 3 or four hours? Well, the thing

[55:24] that I have big questions about are

[55:25] these references to hitting Saddam's

[55:27] resident.

[55:32] >> We interrupt CBS's coverage of America

[55:34] at War to bring you up to date on some

[55:35] events right here at home. At this hour,

[55:37] there is a peace rally going on in

[55:39] downtown Nashville at the federal

[55:41] courthouse. News Channel 5's Barry

[55:42] Simmons is there. Barry,

[55:47] in the past hour, several hundred

[55:49] people. Let's give you a look. Right in

[55:50] front of the US courthouse, you can see

[55:52] the signs. There are a lot of armbands.

[55:55] People are wearing armbands with yellow

[55:57] uh ribbons signifying their their

[56:00] support and their their opposition to

[56:02] the war. Let's give you a look for our

[56:03] mobile sky cam. You can see the extent

[56:06] they chose the US courthouse uh to send

[56:09] a message to the federal government that

[56:11] they feel that this war is unjust. Now,

[56:14] for the past hour, we have heard a lot

[56:16] of horns. You could probably hear some

[56:18] of them. they are in support of this

[56:20] opposition. Uh, also one thing we have

[56:23] noticed is that there are a lot of

[56:24] security around here. In addition to the

[56:27] US courthouse, there are some Metro

[56:29] Police officers, also some on uh mounted

[56:31] horses. They are here just to keep an

[56:33] eye on things, but so far Amy, we have

[56:35] not seen anything uh that's looks like

[56:38] it's going to cause any trouble. Back to

[56:40] you.

[56:40] >> All right, quite a crowd there at this

[56:41] hour. Thanks very much, Barry Simmons

[56:43] reporting. News Channel 5's Dana Kay is

[56:45] on assignment with the 1001st in Kuwait.

[56:47] Just a short time ago, News Channel 5's

[56:49] Vicky Yates got a chance to speak to

[56:51] her.

[56:52] >> We are embedded with the Rocket and and

[56:54] we don't see any other journalists. I

[56:55] mean, this is our group and this is the

[56:57] group of soldiers we travel with. And

[57:00] again, I feel very protected with them

[57:01] and very safe and um very ready to

[57:05] continue on.

[57:06] >> As far as the soldiers are concerned,

[57:07] what is the best case scenario? what

[57:09] could happen that would make them come

[57:10] home quickly

[57:12] >> to get into Iraq and accomplish their

[57:16] mission and uh make sure that uh the

[57:19] people of Iraq can be free and that uh

[57:24] we come home with absolutely no American

[57:26] casualties. The soldiers here are ready

[57:30] to get this over with and get home.

[57:34] Dana Kay on assignment with the 101st.

[57:37] Families of Fort Campbell soldiers are

[57:38] keeping their eyes on all the action.

[57:40] News Channel 5 Sabril Bennett is in

[57:42] Clarksville tonight. Sabril, is everyone

[57:44] gathered around the TV? I can imagine

[57:45] that's just what they're doing.

[57:47] >> There are TVs everywhere. If you take a

[57:49] look around at Ruby Tuesday on Fort

[57:50] Campbell Boulevard and the TV is on here

[57:52] and people are watching, trying to pay

[57:54] attention to what's going on. Now, a

[57:55] little while ago, I spoke to Fort

[57:57] Campbell officials on the phone, and

[57:58] they said at this point, it is their

[58:00] belief and understanding that the 101st

[58:02] has not been any in any contact with the

[58:05] enemy. They are also watching the media

[58:06] to find out what's going on because

[58:08] information is coming quicker through

[58:09] the television than it is at this point,

[58:11] coming through their sources. Now, they

[58:13] are honoring the orange alert, which is

[58:14] nationwide right now. The only gates

[58:16] that are open are gates 4, 7, and 10.

[58:19] They are taking every security measure.

[58:20] If you try to get on post, your car will

[58:22] be thoroughly searched. you'll be

[58:24] stopped so that they make sure that

[58:25] everything is safe here. But at this

[58:27] point, all eyes are on the television.

[58:29] Everyone's just waiting and watching.

[58:30] Amy,

[58:31] >> all right, thanks very much, Sabril.

[58:32] Sabril Bennett reporting tonight. The

[58:34] war is prompting a lot of changes here

[58:35] at home. News Channel 5 Scott Couch is

[58:37] live out on Interstate 24 at Vessel's

[58:39] Lane to tell us what those changes are.

[58:41] Scott,

[58:42] >> Amy, big changes announced today by

[58:44] Metro Police. You know, in a city this

[58:45] size, it's not uncommon to maybe see a

[58:47] half dozen cars out on the side of the

[58:49] interstate that are broken down. Let's

[58:51] roll some videotape we shot earlier

[58:53] today and I'll try to further explain

[58:54] those changes. Now, for years, Metro

[58:56] Police have been pretty lenient. If your

[58:58] car broke down, they'd give you several

[59:00] days before they would tow it. Not

[59:02] anymore. Brand new ball game. Because of

[59:04] concerns over homeland security, Metro

[59:06] Police say if your car is broken down,

[59:09] they will tow it away just as quickly if

[59:11] they see it as long as you're not there.

[59:14] So, if you don't want your car towed,

[59:16] don't leave it sitting on the side of

[59:17] the road.

[59:20] It's like the troops are overseas

[59:22] fighting. They're protecting us here at

[59:24] home. And him to do something like that

[59:26] made me feel a whole lot better that,

[59:27] you know, they are watching out for us.

[59:29] >> Amy, motorists we talked to this

[59:31] afternoon were very, very supportive. So

[59:33] far, Metro Police are the only ones

[59:35] doing this. The first of many changes

[59:37] here locally since the war broke out.

[59:39] Amy,

[59:39] >> thanks a lot, Scott. Let's get a quick

[59:41] check of the weather now with chief

[59:42] meteorologist Ron House. Ron,

[59:43] >> well, thanks Amy. 74 degrees now in

[59:45] Nashville. Our sky cam picture shows

[59:47] that some clouds have moved in. Storm

[59:49] target 5 shows a fairly large area of

[59:51] rain back to our northwest. A few little

[59:54] showers have been kind of drifting

[59:55] through our area and it for a while we

[59:58] thought we might have some severe

[59:59] thunderstorm activity this afternoon,

[60:01] but the severe thunderstorm watch has

[60:02] been cancelled. Looks like some more

[60:04] showers tomorrow then dry for the

[60:06] weekend. Amy,

[60:07] >> thanks very much, Ron. That's our time

[60:08] for now. We now return you to CBS's

[60:10] coverage of America at War.

[60:12] >> CBS News headquarters in New York. Here

[60:15] is Dan Rather.

[60:17] >> Light is fading at 6 p.m. in the eastern

[60:19] part of the United States. It's dark 2

[60:22] a.m. in Baghdad. Top stories of this

[60:24] hour include CBS News national security

[60:27] correspondent David Martin reports back

[60:29] channel negotiations are underway and

[60:31] have been for some time with some Iraqi

[60:34] officers including what are said to be

[60:36] commanders of some of the most uh elite

[60:39] military units Saddam Hussein has. No

[60:41] indication of how those negotiations are

[60:43] going. some indication that that may be

[60:46] one reason that US ground forces already

[60:48] inside Iraq are not uh doing all they

[60:51] can to advance deeper further into the

[60:54] country. One possible reason the US

[60:56] message to the Iraqi commanders with

[60:59] whom they're negotiating, save

[61:01] yourselves, break with Saddam and

[61:03] cooperate with Allied forces. View them

[61:05] as an army of liberation, not an army of

[61:09] occupation.