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[0:00] Like a switch fast.

[0:14] Lots of excitement in this hall. Lots of

[0:17] excitement in the Republican party

[0:19] ranks. very frankly both wings in this

[0:22] election year lusting after the Ross

[0:25] Perau supporters who have someplace to

[0:26] go or hope to find someplace to go as a

[0:29] result of Mr. Perau announcing that he

[0:31] would not run. Yeah. Yes, indeed.

[0:34] Comments.

[0:41] >> We see pictures here. Live pictures of a

[0:43] rally in Dallas. Perau supporter. You

[0:46] saw the sign there. Ross, you can't

[0:48] quit.

[0:49] >> Let's listen.

[0:50] >> Loyal fan of Ross Perau for a very long

[0:53] time. And she happens to be Bernice

[0:57] Meerson who is Marty Myerson's mother.

[1:01] Would you like to say a few words,

[1:03] Bernice?

[1:12] >> The word I would like to say is this. Do

[1:16] not give up.

[1:21] >> Mother telling Ross not to give up.

[1:23] Let's check in now with Charles Berbower

[1:26] down on the podium who's been gauging

[1:27] some of that Republican reaction.

[1:29] Charles.

[1:30] >> Well, they're all the Republicans and

[1:32] the Democrats trying to figure out

[1:33] precisely where those Perau supporters

[1:36] will go, if indeed they go anywhere. One

[1:38] White House official I talked with today

[1:41] uh described the onion scenario. Let me

[1:43] explain it to you. An onion is of course

[1:45] made up of several layers. And in this

[1:48] scenario, the outer layer is largely

[1:51] soft Democratic voters in the Perau

[1:54] camp. And to some degree, those have

[1:55] already started to peel off. If you look

[1:58] at the latest polls, Governor Clinton's

[2:00] numbers have been rising. Some of that

[2:02] is attributed to the peel off, the peel

[2:04] away of that outer layer from Ross

[2:06] Perau. The second layer would be the

[2:08] soft Republican voters. And the hope, of

[2:11] course, in the Republican camp is that

[2:12] they will now peel back to President

[2:14] Bush. The third layer of that onion is

[2:17] the uncertain one, and no one is quite

[2:19] sure where they will go, whether they go

[2:21] to Clinton or Bush or simply stay away

[2:24] altogether. And even that's not as

[2:26] simple as or that is almost too simple

[2:28] because the description that I got was

[2:30] well really there are 50 onions out

[2:32] there. Consider each state separately.

[2:34] For example, in Massachusetts the soft

[2:36] outer layer is Democratic but in Utah

[2:39] the soft outer layer of the onion is

[2:41] Republican. This is what the two

[2:43] campaigns will now try to do to peel

[2:45] that onion back away from the Ross Perau

[2:49] core of supporters to get as many as

[2:51] they can. One other thought on this. For

[2:54] all the bad times that Ross Perau caused

[2:57] for George Bush and he seemed to really

[2:58] put the Bush campaign into perplexity.

[3:00] For all the bad mouthing that we have

[3:02] heard in past weeks from the Bush

[3:05] campaign. There was none of that today.

[3:07] They had been calling or the Republicans

[3:09] had been calling Ross Perau an autocrat,

[3:12] a tyrant. Today they're calling him a

[3:14] hero for bringing the consciousness

[3:16] higher in this race and then getting out

[3:19] of it. Back to you in the book. Thanks,

[3:21] Charles. And fresh from his latest round

[3:24] in Crossfire, John Cenounu joins us now.

[3:26] John, let's take a look at the

[3:28] Republican strategy here with three men

[3:30] in the race, clearly a 50-state

[3:32] strategy. How does it change now?

[3:34] >> Well, the I don't think the Republican

[3:35] strategy changes as much as I think the

[3:37] Democratic strategy has to change. I

[3:39] think the Democrats came into this

[3:41] convention thinking south south, hoping

[3:43] perhaps to pick up California and New

[3:45] York to add to that and and and hoping

[3:46] that with a little chemistry they'd pick

[3:48] up enough additional votes to get uh

[3:50] enough electoral votes. I think the

[3:51] president was always committed to a

[3:53] broad 50-state strategy. So, in some

[3:55] sense, Ross Perau's dropping out uh

[3:57] makes it a little bit easier for the

[3:59] original Republican strategy to be

[4:01] followed. I think a little harder for

[4:02] the original Democratic strategy to be

[4:04] followed. I was reviewing some of the

[4:05] the comments uh from various

[4:07] administration officials, Republicans,

[4:09] Clayton Yer said it was a 50-state

[4:11] strategy. Now we see it as a 10 to 15.

[4:14] So maybe maybe at least Bush advisers

[4:16] are thinking a little differently.

[4:18] >> No, I think I think when they sit down

[4:20] and look at at what the possibilities

[4:22] are, I think you're going to find a full

[4:24] 50-state strategy. The president has

[4:26] always had some very significant

[4:28] advantages in the South in terms of some

[4:30] of the issues and ideology. I think

[4:31] Governor Clinton tried to blunt that by

[4:33] his selection of a border state

[4:34] Democrat, uh, Senator Gore. I think that

[4:37] was the approach they were taking. I

[4:38] think that's where the ripple is. I

[4:40] think what what the other aspect though

[4:42] with that impact strategy is that the

[4:44] strategy on on campaign rhetoric and

[4:46] campaign comparison changes drastically.

[4:49] You approach a threeperson race very

[4:51] differently than than a two-person race.

[4:53] You can actually run uh pro and con

[4:56] head-to-head. And I think it is less

[4:58] fuzzy, less convoluted, less difficult

[5:00] for the voters. One of the interesting

[5:01] aspects is in terms of negative

[5:03] campaigning because in a three-way race

[5:04] often times the negative campaigning

[5:06] only enures to the benefit of the third

[5:08] the third person involved. Is that going

[5:10] to to heat the campaign up now that

[5:12] one's out?

[5:12] >> Well, frankly, I think that the the

[5:14] Clinton campaign was hoping that the

[5:15] Perau campaign would do the negative

[5:17] campaigning against the president. I

[5:19] think they're going to have to find out

[5:20] now that they're going to have to do

[5:21] their own dirty work if they're going to

[5:22] do any of that. Uh I think in the

[5:24] presidential campaign, you're always

[5:26] going to find positive ads and negative

[5:27] ads. I think there's going to be a mix

[5:28] of that on both sides. In looking at the

[5:31] states again, uh there was some comment

[5:33] about uh uh Texas is now in in the

[5:35] Republican bag. Florida is now in the

[5:38] Republican bag. Is this is this

[5:40] something that Bush can take semi for

[5:42] granted?

[5:42] >> I don't think you should take any

[5:44] campaigning. I don't think the president

[5:45] should take any state for granted. I

[5:47] think he's got to allocate his resources

[5:48] efficiently in all those states and he's

[5:50] got to work hard in all those states. I

[5:52] think he understands that. I think it

[5:54] changes a little bit of the distribution

[5:55] of spending on the Democratic side uh

[5:57] who really have to sit down and figure

[5:59] out where they have a combination with

[6:01] this ticket uh to get enough electoral

[6:03] votes.

[6:04] >> Let's bring Bernie in. Bernie

[6:05] >> John, how can Republicans keep a

[6:07] straight face? I'm thinking about the

[6:09] point Charles Berbar made before he came

[6:11] up here to the booth. How can you

[6:13] Republicans keep a straight face? On the

[6:15] one hand, you're practically blowing

[6:18] kisses at Perau supporters today. Yet,

[6:21] as recently as last week, all kinds of

[6:24] names were being uh sputtered out. The

[6:27] man was being trashed by everybody in

[6:29] the White House and the operatives

[6:30] within the Bush campaign team.

[6:32] >> Bernie, look at the Democratic primary.

[6:34] Same process. Very hot, very heavy, very

[6:37] personalized campaigning in many aspects

[6:39] of it. They come to a convention, they

[6:41] come together, and it's a love fest. It

[6:43] is not at all inconsistent with the

[6:45] American political system. You go hard

[6:47] headto head while you're in combat and

[6:50] then when one candidate either wins or

[6:52] loses or drops out uh you do the proper

[6:54] thing and I think that's what's been

[6:55] done.

[6:56] >> Thank you John Cenudo. Katherine Larry

[6:59] Woods now takes a look at the phenomenal

[7:02] Ross Perau campaign.

[7:09] The Maverick Texan who would be

[7:11] president unofficially entered the race

[7:13] chatting with TV talk show host Larry

[7:16] King in Washington.

[7:18] >> Number one, I will not run as either a

[7:20] Democrat or Republican because I will

[7:21] not sell out to anybody but to the

[7:23] American people and I will sell out to

[7:26] them.

[7:30] Pero's unorthodox leap into the fast

[7:32] lane of presidential politics was a

[7:35] harbinger of things to come. He would do

[7:38] it his way or not at all. His way, as a

[7:41] curious nation would soon learn, had

[7:43] made H. Ross Perau a billionaire, and

[7:46] coring this feisty, self-made man into

[7:49] conventional politicking would not work.

[7:53] >> I don't know what you're talking about.

[7:54] I don't have time to read it. Smiling

[7:56] and confident, Perau began to take his

[7:59] case to the people, turning up on

[8:01] college campuses and television shows

[8:03] ordinarily ignored by the political

[8:06] pros.

[8:07] >> How are you? Good to see you. Nice to

[8:08] see you.

[8:11] >> It didn't seem to matter that the Texar

[8:13] Arcana, Texas native, spoke largely in

[8:16] generalities about what he would do to

[8:18] alter the nation's declining stock at

[8:20] home and abroad.

[8:22] >> Flat tax. The Jerry Brown proposal 13%.

[8:25] >> I have not been able to study that in

[8:27] enough to keep in mind.

[8:29] >> When Ross talked, a great body of

[8:31] Americans listened and joined his team

[8:34] as a labor of love and faith. He would

[8:37] spend an estimated $10 million,

[8:39] financing a campaign that lured odd

[8:42] bedfellows Ham Jordan and Ed Rollins to

[8:45] his side. and mostly volunteers got his

[8:48] name on 24 of 50 state ballots.

[8:52] Almost overnight, Perau pulled alongside

[8:54] President Bush and Democratic frontr

[8:56] runner Governor Bill Clinton in the

[8:58] polls. By June, he had nudged ahead

[9:02] among some of the pollsters. And for the

[9:04] first time in modern history, it

[9:06] appeared Americans were looking at a

[9:08] three-way race. Even the shadow of the

[9:11] little Texan, undeclared and unbossed,

[9:14] cast an uneasy spell over Clinton and

[9:16] Bush's strategy to counter Perau's

[9:19] popularity. But as the media and critics

[9:22] stepped up the pressure to bring Perau

[9:24] out in the open on specific ways he

[9:27] would conduct business differently in

[9:29] Washington if elected, the initial

[9:32] cracks in the good ship Ross began to

[9:34] surface. His public appearances

[9:36] dwindled. Evasion smothered exactitude

[9:40] on the thorny issues troubling voters.

[9:43] Rumors filtered out of Dallas.

[9:45] Dissension was in the ranks. The Bush

[9:47] camp finally sicked Dan Quail on parole,

[9:51] calling him a quote temperamental

[9:53] tycoon," unquote. Others charged he

[9:56] would run roughshot over the

[9:58] Constitution if he was elected

[10:00] president. tell. Then came that slip of

[10:03] the lip comment before the NAACP, which

[10:06] met in Nashville last week. Once

[10:09] referring to blacks as you people in a

[10:12] self-prepared speech, the aftershock

[10:14] seemed to have cracked Perau's

[10:16] foundation. Miffed, uncertain, and fed

[10:19] up. As he privately admitted, Perau

[10:21] became exasperated with his quest at

[10:24] times overruling Ed Rollins and Ham

[10:26] Jordan on critical campaign tactics.

[10:29] Rollins resigned in frustration, taking

[10:32] 10 aids with him. And so the man who

[10:35] seemingly thrived on causes saw cause in

[10:38] mid July to turn and walk away. That

[10:41] decision will be debated for months, but

[10:43] one thing is already apparent. We got

[10:46] ourselves an old-fashioned two-way race

[10:48] again. Larry Woods, CNN New York.

[10:53] >> And more coverage from the Garden right

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[13:45] From Madison Square Garden in New York,

[13:48] the site of the Democratic National

[13:49] Convention, here are CNN's Bernard Shaw

[13:52] and Katherine Crier.

[13:55] >> Welcome back. Well, I guess we don't

[13:56] have to worry about any more of that new

[13:58] math. We're back down to a two-man race.

[14:00] >> The game is over indeed. Bill Clinton

[14:02] awakened this morning still thinking

[14:04] this would be a three-man race. But at

[14:06] 11:00 this morning, Eastern time in

[14:08] Dallas at his headquarters, Ross Perau

[14:11] stepped to the podium and said, "I am

[14:13] not going to run." Two basic reasons

[14:15] cited by him. He said the Democrats

[14:17] meeting here in Madison Square Garden,

[14:19] to use his word, had revitalized

[14:22] themselves. And he said were he to enter

[14:24] this race, the race would end up in the

[14:26] House of Representatives. Perau claiming

[14:29] he wants to do the best for his country.

[14:30] Therefore, he is not going to run.

[14:35] Well, President Bush talked to Ross

[14:38] Perau this morning, held a couple of

[14:40] news conferences from his vacation site

[14:42] in Wyoming. This is what he had to say.

[14:45] So, I would welcome his support and the

[14:47] support of those who have gotten behind

[14:50] him. Uh we share the same principles

[14:53] with many of those people and we're

[14:55] going to work hard to win them over, get

[14:57] their support. Uh but uh it was a good

[15:00] phone call and I uh probably will be

[15:03] talking to uh Mr. Perau again before too

[15:07] long. But I

[15:10] see this as a positive development in a

[15:13] sense because I am convinced that the

[15:16] conservatives who are supporting Ross

[15:19] Bro, the legions of conservative people

[15:22] uh will will end up being with me.

[15:27] >> Just a short time ago. Ken Bod and I

[15:29] from this anchor booth spoke live with

[15:32] Morton Meyers, a longtime Ross Barau

[15:34] supporter and Hamilton Jordan, the

[15:36] remaining co-chair after Ed Rollins

[15:38] resigned yesterday. This is what these

[15:40] two men had to say. First, Meerson,

[15:43] >> it would surprise me greatly if Ross

[15:46] endorsed anybody. I don't think that he

[15:48] would think in those terms. He said

[15:50] during his press conference that when he

[15:52] went into the booth, he'd be a private

[15:53] citizen and who he voted for would be

[15:55] his business. I think that he might uh

[15:58] try to get certain ideas onto the table,

[16:01] but I don't think he will endorse either

[16:03] of the either of the players. I can show

[16:06] you hundreds of calls and faxes from

[16:09] people who say they're going to vote for

[16:11] him anyway. They're glad that they he

[16:13] brought them into the system. Uh I

[16:16] regret people that do feel disappointed

[16:18] and and certainly there are those people

[16:20] out there that that feel that way. I saw

[16:22] on CNN an interview from Sherman Oaks,

[16:25] California, where a group of parole

[16:26] volunteers were disappointed on one hand

[16:29] that he was getting out of the race, but

[16:32] he expressed appreciation that he had

[16:34] brought them into the political process.

[16:35] So, we we'll know in a few days how this

[16:37] all shakes out. But, uh uh we certainly

[16:40] the the unpleasant part of Ross'

[16:42] decision is that some people would be

[16:44] disappointed. I was disappointed as a

[16:47] citizen that he got out. While our floor

[16:49] reporters have been down talking to

[16:51] delegates to determine the effect of

[16:52] this withdrawal on the various regions,

[16:54] Candi Crowley is checking out the effect

[16:56] in the south. Candy,

[16:59] >> Katherine, a little bit of uh history,

[17:01] as in recent history, like a couple of

[17:04] days ago, where a lot of southern

[17:06] delegates were telling us that they were

[17:08] grateful Ross Perau was in the race. The

[17:10] theory then was that Ross Perau could

[17:13] take away some of those conservative

[17:15] southern voters who liked his take no

[17:17] prisoners stance and those were deemed

[17:19] to be Bush voters. There was a feeling

[17:21] that in some states in the south with

[17:23] which have not gone Democrat in many

[17:25] many years would go Democrat this year

[17:27] because of the split. That's the

[17:29] revisionist history. Let me give you the

[17:31] spin from this floor today. And that is

[17:33] that many of the people we have talked

[17:35] to in the southern delegation such as

[17:36] Louisiana and Mississippi, Florida,

[17:38] geographically southern if not uh in the

[17:41] heart southern have said look Perau uh

[17:44] constituents were one thing non-status

[17:47] quo and George Bush is status quo. They

[17:50] see no way that Perau voters even the

[17:53] hardcore are going to go over to George

[17:55] Bush. Senator John Bro of Louisiana we

[17:57] spoke to just a little while ago he said

[17:59] they're going to do one of two things.

[18:01] They're going to vote for Clinton or

[18:02] they're going to stay home. That of

[18:04] course is the view from this floor. And

[18:06] you have to remember that this is a a a

[18:09] group of the true believers who uh are

[18:12] not about to say anything about Bill

[18:14] Clinton. I I w anything bad about Bill

[18:16] Clinton. I will tell you that Senator

[18:17] Bro believes that these voters are there

[18:20] for Clinton to attract. He believes

[18:22] tonight is a very big deal. He says he

[18:24] spoke to Governor Clinton earlier today

[18:26] and quote, "Clinton is as nervous as a

[18:28] cat." John Bro said what he advised

[18:30] Clinton was to stress the middle of the

[18:33] road platform that the Democrats now

[18:35] have and the feeling that they are now

[18:37] more towards the middle and therefore it

[18:39] can attract those voters. Back to Bernie

[18:41] in the booth.

[18:43] >> Thank you Candy. Everybody in this hall

[18:45] has an opinion about what Ross Perau

[18:47] said today and certainly each opinion is

[18:50] valid down there in the floor. Let's go

[18:52] to the western region. Gene Randall has

[18:54] been talking to delegates from that part

[18:56] of the United States. Well, Bernie,

[18:58] certainly California is the key to the

[19:00] West and it is a key to Democratic

[19:02] chances in November.

[19:03] >> In a poll based on a three-man field

[19:05] last week in California, Bill Clinton

[19:07] stood at 31%, George Bush at 29%, Ross

[19:11] Perau at 28%. Given the margin of error,

[19:14] a virtual dead heat. The state's

[19:16] Democratic chairman, Phil Angelites,

[19:17] tells me it'll take a special Clinton

[19:19] campaign effort to convince Perau voters

[19:21] in California they should now turn to

[19:23] Bill Clinton as their new agent of

[19:25] change. Angeliti says for now at least,

[19:28] Perau's decision has cleared the air,

[19:30] giving Bill Clinton a clear opportunity

[19:32] to define himself to the American people

[19:34] and especially to Ross Perau's voters as

[19:36] the only remaining candidate of change

[19:38] in the field. Bottom line in California,

[19:40] it would have been tough for Bill

[19:41] Clinton with Ross Perau in the field.

[19:43] It'll be tough for Bill Clinton with

[19:45] Ross Perau out of the field. In

[19:47] Colorado, a state legislator told us

[19:49] there is an opportunity for Clinton's

[19:51] people to go after Ross Perau's

[19:52] grassroots organization. But he told us,

[19:54] and this is important, it'll take a

[19:56] door-to-door approach to do that,

[19:58] personal politicking. In the state of

[20:00] Washington, we heard much the same

[20:02] thing. One delegate told us it is the

[20:04] beginning of a long, tough process for

[20:06] the Clinton campaign. Ross Perau's

[20:09] decision, the consensus here, not to

[20:11] run, gives Bill Clinton an opportunity,

[20:13] but one he must skillfully exploit in

[20:15] the weeks and months ahead.

[20:17] >> Catherine,

[20:18] >> thanks, Jean. Now, let's hear the mood

[20:20] in the Midwest here in this hall.

[20:22] Deborah Potter. Deborah. Katherine, the

[20:24] mood in the Midwest, much as elsewhere,

[20:26] is to make the best of this. Before the

[20:28] announcement that Ross Perau was

[20:29] dropping out, delegates freely admitted

[20:31] that they felt better in a three-way

[20:33] race. They thought they had a better

[20:34] chance. They thought Ross Perau was

[20:36] drawing support from George Bush in the

[20:38] Midwest. Now, they're saying at least to

[20:41] some extent, they hope they can get

[20:43] those voters over because those voters

[20:45] were dissatisfied voters and

[20:47] particularly in states like Illinois and

[20:49] and Michigan where unemployment is well

[20:51] above the national average, where farm

[20:54] income has plummeted under the Reagan

[20:55] and Bush administrations. They say,

[20:58] these Democrats say that they believe

[21:00] they can reach out to those disaffected

[21:02] voters because there's no way they're

[21:04] going to go back to George Bush. In the

[21:06] words of the state party chairman in

[21:07] Michigan, Perau was a way station, a

[21:10] safe haven on the way off the Titanic.

[21:12] As he put it, there's no way they'll go

[21:14] back to a sinking ship. The question, of

[21:16] course, will they go anywhere or will

[21:18] they stay home? In Illinois, one member

[21:20] of Congress said, "This is win-win for

[21:22] us because if they stay home, they were

[21:24] Bush voters who won't vote. If they come

[21:27] over to us, of course, we strengthen our

[21:29] hand." So, the question out here is, can

[21:32] Bill Clinton tonight appeal to those

[21:34] Perau voters? I can tell you in my

[21:35] section of the floor already there are

[21:37] handlettered signs going up. Welcome

[21:39] Perau supporters. Bernie

[21:43] >> Deborah

[21:44] let's go to the northeast now and call

[21:46] in Frank Sesno for an idea of what

[21:49] people are saying in that part of the

[21:50] country.

[21:51] >> Well in the Northeast there's no way

[21:53] you're going to find a long face at this

[21:55] convention. This is Bill Clinton's night

[21:56] and the Democrats night and there's no

[21:58] one here who wants anybody Ross Perau

[22:00] especially to reign on the parade.

[22:02] Nonetheless, people concede that this

[22:04] very very substantially changes the

[22:06] mathematics. In Connecticut, for

[22:08] example, a state that uh continues to

[22:10] reel from the recession that has really

[22:12] clobbered the Northeast, uh Ross Perau

[22:15] was seen taking that state in a poll

[22:17] just a couple of weeks ago. In state

[22:19] after state throughout the Northeast,

[22:20] New York included, it's been a very

[22:22] tight, close three-way race up until

[22:25] just a few weeks ago. But that dynamic

[22:27] has been changing. So what do they say?

[22:29] In Connecticut, for example, the sort of

[22:31] state where Ross Perau had great appeal

[22:33] and where Bill Clinton is make a making

[22:35] a particular pitch, a wealthy state, a

[22:38] suburban state, a middle class state to

[22:40] talk to the delegates here. They insist

[22:42] that uh Bill Clinton is still very much

[22:44] in it. A Democrat hasn't taken

[22:46] Connecticut, for example, since 1968 in

[22:48] the presidential race. They see some

[22:50] real openings. The real estate market

[22:52] has been clobbered, and Bill Clinton is

[22:54] talking change, change, change. will

[22:56] hear it here tonight. And the delegates

[22:58] here anyway say they believe they hope

[23:00] that will appeal and have broad appeal

[23:02] in this election campaign. Maybe it's

[23:04] wishful thinking, but they're sure

[23:05] putting a good face on it. Back to the

[23:07] boot.

[23:09] >> Thanks, Frank. Well, during the week,

[23:10] our Jeff Lock has been traveling around

[23:12] the Midwest across the state of Oklahoma

[23:15] of late trying to gauge the mood. Well,

[23:16] he's been checking in at various Perau

[23:18] volunteer headquarters today and now

[23:20] he's in War, Oklahoma. Jeff

[23:23] >> Katherine, our week-long tour of

[23:24] Oklahoma is now about complete. We have

[23:27] been in big towns and small towns all

[23:29] over this country. Tonight, we are in

[23:31] Wara, Oklahoma, the smallest town on our

[23:34] tour, but we have the largest group so

[23:36] far. We've convened something of a town

[23:38] meeting here in War to get a sense for

[23:40] what's going through their minds. As you

[23:42] mentioned earlier today at Ross Perau

[23:44] headquarters in downtown Oklahoma City,

[23:47] it was not a happy scene there. Perhaps

[23:49] you can see the pictures of folks

[23:51] sitting around the monitors and watching

[23:54] as Ross Perau shocked many of them. That

[23:57] woman in particular there uh shocked

[23:59] them by announcing that he was

[24:01] withdrawing. The phones began to ring uh

[24:04] as soon as that announcement was made at

[24:06] Perau headquarters with various Perau

[24:08] folks saying that they wanted him to

[24:10] continue the race. They were very upset

[24:12] and disappointed in this crowd. Tonight

[24:14] we have some Perau volunteers and

[24:17] supporters who um well I don't know I'll

[24:19] let them speak for themselves. Ma'am,

[24:21] give me a sense for what went through

[24:22] your mind when you heard he was leaving

[24:24] the race.

[24:25] >> Well, I just wish he could have stayed

[24:27] longer or would have.

[24:29] >> Why?

[24:30] >> Well, he has done so much for the

[24:32] political scene as far as I am

[24:35] concerned. He's awakened a lot of people

[24:37] to things that we can take care of that

[24:39] we have just let slide by before.

[24:41] >> Ma'am, your thoughts? I was disappointed

[24:44] that he withdrew from the race, but I

[24:47] think uh he has uh made them aware in

[24:52] Washington that the natives are just

[24:55] getting a little bit restless.

[24:57] >> You're restless. Who are you leaning

[24:59] toward?

[25:00] >> I have not decided yet.

[25:02] >> Do you have a leaning at this point?

[25:04] >> Yes, Clinton and Gore. Because of Gore.

[25:07] >> Because of Gore. Tell me more. Well, I

[25:09] just respect him a little more than I do

[25:11] Clinton.

[25:13] >> Okay, let's move across. We've got

[25:14] another gentleman over here I know who's

[25:16] a Perau backer and we've got folks

[25:18] backing different folks in this audience

[25:19] tonight. Uh disappointment.

[25:22] >> Yes, obviously stayed in.

[25:25] >> Do either of the candidates who are

[25:27] still in have anything that would

[25:29] attract you?

[25:31] >> Not as much as I would like. I would

[25:33] probably go with Bush now though.

[25:35] >> Okay. We wanted to give uh the

[25:37] descending view here. Uh uh sir, I know

[25:40] we talked earlier and we indicated that

[25:42] uh perhaps you had more negative

[25:43] feelings about Mr. Perau and more

[25:45] positive feelings about him leaving the

[25:47] race. Uh what goes through your mind

[25:48] about him?

[25:49] >> Well, I don't think that a billionaire

[25:51] can represent the common people. I don't

[25:53] think he has a lot in common with people

[25:55] like us. He has claimed to be an

[25:58] outsider and he's not an outsider. He

[26:00] had 72 meetings with Richard Nixon. We

[26:03] spent a little time in Germany getting

[26:04] rid of the Nazis, and I'm glad to see

[26:06] him go back to Texas where he belongs.

[26:08] >> Okay. I I I detect that's about the

[26:10] nastiest thing you could say to somebody

[26:11] in Oklahoma. Uh where where are you

[26:14] leaning? Are you leaning anywhere else?

[26:15] >> Uh I'm not leaning. I'm for Clinton and

[26:18] Gore.

[26:18] >> Okay. I want to get to a few more Perau

[26:20] backers. Stike, follow me over here. Uh

[26:24] where do you go now? You supported Ross

[26:26] Perau. I take it that was a move, a

[26:28] major leap for you. Uh are you

[26:30] registered Democrat? Yes.

[26:33] >> Um I'm disappointed that Pearl did pull

[26:36] out of the race, but I feel like that if

[26:37] he's opened our eyes, made us more aware

[26:40] that we need to pay attention to the

[26:42] candidates, to what they're standing

[26:44] for, and make our decision based on what

[26:46] their their feelings are and what

[26:49] they're going to do for America rather

[26:50] than standing behind a particular party.

[26:54] >> Um

[26:55] >> I would ask you also, ma'am, do you feel

[26:57] he's gone for good now? Is he out at the

[26:59] at our campaign headquarters this

[27:01] morning? There was a lot of sentiment

[27:02] that perhaps he could be talked back

[27:04] into it. He was talked into it once. Do

[27:06] you think so? And should he be talked

[27:07] back into it?

[27:08] >> I think he should be talked back into

[27:10] it, but I don't believe he'll consent to

[27:12] and I'm very disappointed because I've

[27:14] been a supporter since day one.

[27:17] >> Okay. The word from Oklahoma among

[27:19] Perau's supporters. That is the latest

[27:21] from here. We'll be checking in

[27:22] periodically throughout this evening

[27:24] with this this town meeting in War,

[27:26] Oklahoma. For now, I'm Jeff Lock, CNN,

[27:28] reporting live from War.

[27:31] >> Pretend you are Bill Clinton. What would

[27:34] be going through your mind? How would

[27:35] you be feeling now as you approach

[27:38] coming into this hall and delivering

[27:40] your nomination speech, accepting your

[27:42] party's nomination? We just heard Candy

[27:44] Crowley quote, "Senator John Brew of

[27:46] Louisiana saying Bill Clinton is nervous

[27:49] as a cat." For an idea of what this

[27:51] night will look like, let's go down to

[27:52] our podium guy, Charles Berbar.

[27:56] Well, that cat has a few more hours to

[27:58] sit on his nerves, uh, Bernie, because

[28:00] there is other business to attend to

[28:02] here at the Democratic convention.

[28:04] Governor Jim Florio of New Jersey is at

[28:07] the podium now. There's a series of

[28:09] speakers uh laying out elements of the

[28:12] Clinton agenda, on the economy, on the

[28:14] environment, on education, all kind of a

[28:18] warm-up to the main event which will

[28:20] come later this evening. Uh there will

[28:23] be some other speakers that we will hear

[28:25] from. Governor Wilder of Virginia,

[28:27] Congressman Gart of Missouri, Senator

[28:28] Mitchell of Maine, and then at about

[28:30] 8:00, Senator Barbara McCowsky of

[28:33] Maryland will place in nomination the

[28:35] name of her Senate colleague Albert Gore

[28:38] to become the vice presidential nominee

[28:40] of the Democratic Party. There will be

[28:42] or there was at least a second

[28:44] nominating petition submitted. Former

[28:47] Massachusetts Governor Endicott Peabody

[28:49] submitted his name. He gathered up the

[28:51] 300 at least necessary signatures and

[28:54] submitted his name to be nominated for

[28:56] vice president. Uh former Governor

[28:58] Peabody has withdrawn that uh petition.

[29:00] He will get a few minutes to speak to

[29:02] explain why he thinks the vice president

[29:04] should be elected separately from the

[29:06] president. And then Kathy Vic, the

[29:09] secretary of the convention, will start

[29:11] with that roll call. Alabama, she will

[29:13] say, and Alabama, we are told, will pass

[29:15] to Tennessee. Tennessee the home state

[29:17] of Senator Gore. and Tennessee will move

[29:19] that the senator be named the vice

[29:22] presidential nominee by acclamation and

[29:24] it's doubtful that there will be much

[29:25] opposition to that. We'll then hear from

[29:27] Senator Gore. We'll hear from Governor

[29:30] Clinton. The balloons will fall from the

[29:31] rafters and we'll all go home. Bernie,

[29:35] >> thank you very much, Charles. When we

[29:36] come back, William Schneider and Ken Bod

[29:39] have been working the telephones.

[29:40] They've been buzzing through the halls

[29:42] and we'll hear what they have to report.

[29:44] And a bit later, one of the three who

[29:46] helped Governor Clinton select his vice

[29:47] presidential running mate, Vernon

[29:49] Jordan.

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[32:35] >> well. I I'm sorry. I just can't get over

[32:39] these Republicans who through everything

[32:41] but satchel charges under Ross Perau's

[32:43] bed have been doing so every since he

[32:46] became a factor. And now Ken Bod and

[32:49] Bill Schneider, everybody is running

[32:52] after Perau supporters.

[32:53] >> It's absolutely frantic. Here's the

[32:55] president on vacation. He's going

[32:56] fishing. He rushes in. He makes

[32:58] telephone calls. He has a press

[32:59] conference. They are frantically trying

[33:00] to get the Perau supporters and they

[33:02] really are up for grabs because George

[33:05] Bush said the Perau supporters are

[33:06] conservatives. I call them recovering

[33:08] Bushaholics. Most of them voted for

[33:10] George Bush, but they're very angry

[33:11] because they feel betrayed by George

[33:13] Bush. George Bush wants them back. On

[33:15] the other hand, they do feel betrayed.

[33:16] They want change. And Bill Clinton

[33:18] thinks he has a chance to get them.

[33:19] They're both going after them at the

[33:21] same time and it's frantic.

[33:22] >> We don't know what the uh Democrats are

[33:24] going to do tonight about this. Bill

[33:26] Clinton, we know there are just very few

[33:28] opportunities left for the Democrats to

[33:29] have a crack at the Perau people in this

[33:31] convention. Bill Clinton's speech

[33:33] embargoed till delivery. So won't say

[33:35] any more about it than just this. There

[33:37] is no mention of Ross Perau in this

[33:39] speech right now. So if you hear it

[33:41] tonight in the speech, folks, that means

[33:43] they've added it since they released

[33:44] this speech.

[33:45] >> One quote.

[33:46] >> Yeah. There there is one thing that I

[33:48] think is interesting about the Perau

[33:49] phenomenon. In a way, this is the

[33:51] triumph of professional politics. You

[33:53] know, Perau was a businessman. He wasn't

[33:55] a politician. His followers were

[33:57] volunteers. They weren't professionals.

[33:59] Now, in a way, the system won. Uh,

[34:01] professional politicians. Perau wouldn't

[34:03] listen to them. And there's something

[34:05] very sad about this because, you know, a

[34:07] lot of Americans hate professionalism.

[34:09] They don't want to be governed by

[34:10] professional politicians. They don't

[34:12] want professionals running their

[34:13] campaigns. They want room for

[34:15] volunteers, for citizen politicians, for

[34:17] amateurs, for activists. And the failure

[34:20] of the Ross Perau campaign says

[34:22] something very sad about our politics.

[34:23] two points. I think that as long as Ross

[34:26] Perau was a factor, in a sense, he

[34:28] provided cover for Bill Clinton, that

[34:30] cover is gone now. Now he's right in the

[34:33] middle with George Bush. Another point,

[34:36] I think that retail politics, nose

[34:38] tonose, hand-tohand campaigning,

[34:40] doorbell ringing, will be just as

[34:42] important as spending millions for

[34:44] television advertising. Well, you know,

[34:46] Bernie, I think what we're going to see

[34:48] is a lot fewer people vote now than

[34:51] would have voted if Ross Perau were in

[34:53] this thing. Unless something happens. I

[34:54] mean, we're we're in a very pregnant

[34:56] moment right now. We don't know whether

[34:57] these volunteers are going to accept

[34:59] this decision, try to keep him on the

[35:00] ballot or what have you. But if, in

[35:01] fact, he's out,

[35:02] >> I think we're going to be back to a

[35:03] standard turnout like we've had in the

[35:06] past few elections, which means fairly

[35:07] low turnout. Well,

[35:08] >> it was interesting in reading some of

[35:09] the comments today from the Bush uh

[35:11] officials. One of them was, well, Perau

[35:14] silenced Clinton for a couple of months

[35:15] and really had the focus. And yet, the

[35:18] reverse has been true building up to the

[35:20] convention that all of a sudden, Bill

[35:21] Clinton, as as Bush and Perau took each

[35:23] other on, had a voice for issues, had a

[35:25] voice to act presidential, got away from

[35:28] the fight with George Bush. Did that uh

[35:30] did that help him out in the long run?

[35:32] >> Well, yes. I mean, the focus has

[35:33] certainly been on Bill Clinton here and

[35:35] coming up to the convention. What

[35:36] typically happens to independent and

[35:38] third party candidates is they get

[35:39] ignored over the summer. That was

[35:41] beginning to happen to Perau. We have

[35:43] the convention, the Democratic

[35:44] convention now. We have the Republicans

[35:45] next week. Usually third party and

[35:47] independent candidates decline over the

[35:49] summer because no one's paying them any

[35:51] attention. I think Ross Perau is really

[35:53] did contribute to major changes in

[35:55] American politics. Ken said it. We're

[35:57] going to have more volunteerism. Look at

[35:58] the way he changed the use of the media.

[36:00] He has made a difference in our politics

[36:02] and we're going to see it this year.

[36:03] With Pearl going out, does this

[36:05] campaign, the head-to-head between Bush

[36:08] and Clinton and Gore and Quail, does

[36:10] this campaign become nasty quicker?

[36:13] >> Yes, my view is it does. I think in a

[36:16] three-man race, it's more difficult to

[36:18] discover if you attack one fellow, are

[36:20] you going to get the support that's

[36:22] peeled off or is your opponent, your

[36:23] third opponent, going to get that kind

[36:24] of support? This time I think it's going

[36:27] to be right back to the same pattern of

[36:29] politics we've seen before which again I

[36:30] think is going to contribute to people

[36:32] being turned off and turnout continue to

[36:35] go down

[36:35] >> and rather

[36:36] >> these are radical predictions that he's

[36:37] making only a few hours after pros is

[36:39] out of this

[36:39] >> look at the tenor of this convention

[36:40] it's all been bush bashing about how

[36:42] terrible the status quo is and what is

[36:44] George Bush what are his options he can

[36:46] argue that things are pretty good but

[36:47] who believes that he can argue that he's

[36:49] the candidate of change but that doesn't

[36:50] sound too credible or he could say my

[36:52] opponent is unacceptable

[36:53] >> and interestingly enough it also looks

[36:55] like the Bush administration is going to

[36:56] pick up the campaign schedule and begin

[36:58] their activities prior to Houston,

[37:00] certainly prior to Labor Day to take on

[37:02] Bill Clinton.

[37:03] >> If George Bush waits until after the

[37:05] Republican convention, if Bill Clinton

[37:08] and Al Gore come out of this hall

[37:09] slashing and burning, Bush is going to

[37:11] suffer.

[37:12] >> And you know where he's going? He's

[37:13] going to the South. He says, "Let them

[37:15] go to the West. The South is my base. He

[37:17] wants to consolidate the South."

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[39:50] Ross Perau, as we know, at 11:00 Eastern

[39:52] time roughly today, announced that he

[39:54] would not run for president of the

[39:56] United States. Yesterday, his co-chair

[39:58] Ed Rollins announced that he was pulling

[40:01] out and with him he took many key people

[40:03] he had brought on board. Today, Ed

[40:06] Rollins limped back to Washington. At

[40:08] National Airport, he was asked whether

[40:10] he would support a Republican or a

[40:13] Democrat.

[40:15] >> They've had a pretty good week. Uh I I

[40:17] don't think that Bill Clinton uh has has

[40:19] to worry about any distractions uh at

[40:21] this point in time. I mean, he has to

[40:22] worry about giving a good speech tonight

[40:24] to top Jesse Jackson's and Mario Cuomo.

[40:26] But but my sense is that he uh he's had

[40:29] a very good week and and I think their

[40:30] campaign is together and I think that

[40:32] they're they're prepared for uh uh a

[40:35] good fall campaign. I I think that

[40:36] they're ahead of of the Bush campaign

[40:38] that obviously still has some uh some

[40:40] problems and and so I I I don't think

[40:43] that this in any way, shape, or form uh

[40:44] takes anything away from their efforts.

[40:46] >> Where do you go? Where do you go now?

[40:47] >> Big pardon?

[40:48] >> Are you more inclined to support? I

[40:49] >> I'm I'm a Republican. I mean, obviously

[40:51] I would have supported the president

[40:52] before. it was just that there was

[40:54] another option and and I and I thought

[40:55] that Mr. Perau and the movement uh was

[40:58] an opportunity to change the American

[40:59] political system and that's why I got

[41:00] into it. Uh I I'm a Republican. I

[41:03] obviously have some disappointments in

[41:04] some of the things that the president

[41:06] has done as have a lot of other

[41:07] Republicans, but I'm that's

[41:09] that that that's my home. That's where I

[41:11] go back to. So

[41:12] >> meaning you will support President Bush.

[41:13] >> I'll vote for the president. Um do

[41:15] >> you expect to be u asked back into the

[41:18] fold? I I I I I think I've been

[41:20] excommunicated and uh I I I don't know

[41:22] how long I have to have to say my

[41:24] prayers before I get back in, but that's

[41:26] irrelevant. I'll I'll I'll I'll support

[41:28] him and I'll vote for Republicans. I've

[41:29] always said I'll help Republicans

[41:31] >> back here in Madison Square Garden.

[41:33] Frank SNO is in the Connecticut

[41:35] delegation.

[41:36] >> Indeed, I am. Bernie, and I'm talking

[41:38] with Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster.

[41:40] It's your job to look at the numbers and

[41:41] crunch the numbers. Every delegate here,

[41:43] whether they want to put a good spin or

[41:44] bad on it, says this very much changes

[41:47] the mathematics of this here to for

[41:49] imagine three-way race. In your

[41:51] estimation, your analysis, how?

[41:53] >> Well, I think it changes it greatly.

[41:55] Take a deep breath. But the first thing

[41:57] to know is if you take the perau core

[42:00] voters right down to that reducible

[42:02] margin, the 34 of them basically say, I

[42:07] don't particularly love Clinton and I

[42:09] don't particularly love Bush. So the

[42:11] idea that they're there to be scooped up

[42:13] easily is not is not a fact. It's going

[42:16] to take a lot of work. What Clinton has

[42:18] going for him, he has the message of

[42:20] change which will help him. And the

[42:22] people have reached an opinion on the

[42:24] economy and the economy is not working.

[42:27] Tonight, Bill Clinton has a chance to

[42:29] reach them on the economy as well as who

[42:32] he is. Drive south though for a minute

[42:34] and in throughout the southern states,

[42:35] delegates and political uh hard ballers

[42:38] I've been talking to here say they've

[42:39] been depending upon Ross Perau to take a

[42:42] solid 20% of the vote, preferably the

[42:44] conservative white vote that's presumed

[42:46] to go to Bush. And now that's not going

[42:48] to happen, which puts Clinton's campaign

[42:51] in much more of an uphill climb.

[42:53] >> Well, I think the whole electoral map

[42:55] changes because you take the West Coast

[42:58] and that goes towards the Democrats at

[43:00] this stage of the game. The South's

[43:02] going to be a little bit harder, but

[43:03] you've got the right ticket to put put

[43:05] together the South, and I think that

[43:07] makes a lot of difference.

[43:08] >> But the bottom line is this makes this a

[43:10] much tougher campaign for Clinton. What

[43:12] do you think he needs to do? You said

[43:14] the word change a couple of times. What

[43:15] message needs to come to connect with

[43:17] these undecided?

[43:18] >> I think as much as anything, he has to

[43:20] let them know who he is, where he comes

[43:22] from, and give them a sense of what

[43:24] he'll do on the economy. They want to

[43:26] change. He can reach them. The other

[43:28] thing is George Bush has a steep uphill

[43:31] uh fight and let me simply say he's

[43:34] reaching in for the emperor's new

[43:35] clothes. They know that there's no suit

[43:38] there.

[43:38] >> Thanks for the spin, doctor.

[43:40] >> Let's go back to the booth and Bernie.

[43:45] >> Uh, how can I put this? Before El Gore

[43:48] could get the right to address these

[43:50] delegates tonight to deliver his

[43:52] acceptance speech and become the

[43:54] Democrat's vice presidential nominee, he

[43:57] had to go through a couple clearances.

[44:00] When we come back, Katherine Crier will

[44:02] be talking with Vernon Jordan, one of

[44:05] the men advising Governor Clinton as to

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[46:04] From Madison Square Garden in New York,

[46:06] the site of the Democratic National

[46:08] Convention, here are CNN's Katherine

[46:10] Crier and Bernard Shaw.

[46:13] >> Welcome back. And joining me now, the

[46:15] former head of the National Urban League

[46:16] and one of three committee members that

[46:18] assisted Bill Clinton in choosing his

[46:20] vice presidential nominee, Senator Al

[46:22] Gore. Mr. Jordan, it's a logical choice

[46:25] to many that Al Gore from the South

[46:27] would be part of the ticket in a

[46:29] three-way race. What about now? Now that

[46:31] Ross Perau is pulled out, make any

[46:33] sense?

[46:33] >> I don't think that it uh makes any

[46:35] difference. This decision was not based

[46:37] on uh geographical preference. It was

[46:41] based on two things.

[46:44] Who would best succeed to the presidency

[46:48] in the event that that awful thing would

[46:51] happen? uh that criteria was applied to

[46:56] Al Gore. And the second was

[46:57] compatibility. I've seen them together.

[47:00] The chemistry works. Uh they're friends.

[47:03] They care about the same things and they

[47:05] coincidentally come from the same area.

[47:08] Well, one might be a little skeptical

[47:10] about uh that being a complete answer

[47:12] because certainly in this particular

[47:14] race, you're looking at a situation

[47:15] where the Republicans have held the

[47:17] South now for three elections where Ross

[47:19] Perau is certainly very strong in that

[47:21] area and many say those two would

[47:23] offbalance each other. The Gore Clinton

[47:25] Clinton Gore ticket can come in and take

[47:27] the South and that made a lot of sense.

[47:30] Was that not a factor at all?

[47:32] >> I don't think that that was a fact at

[47:34] all. I think the factors were those two

[47:36] skepticism notwithstanding that outline

[47:38] that he wanted uh a vice president who

[47:42] could in his mind and in the mind of the

[47:44] nation succeed him in that awful event

[47:48] and secondly he wanted a a running mate

[47:50] with whom he felt comfortable and

[47:53] compatible. Uh those were the overriding

[47:56] issues. I do not believe that the south

[47:59] could be the main criteria for his

[48:02] selection because the south is just a

[48:04] part of the nation. I also think that

[48:06] regional uh basis a regional basis for

[48:11] making a vice presidential decision is

[48:13] now gone out of the window. As a

[48:15] southerner myself, I really believe that

[48:18] uh the selection of air go says to all

[48:20] of us that the civil war is over and

[48:23] that we really are one nation under God.

[48:26] >> All right. But looking back at the

[48:28] South, one more question. Can the

[48:30] Clinton Gore ticket carry Dixie now that

[48:32] Ross Perau is out of the race?

[48:35] >> I assumed in my own mind that Ross Perau

[48:38] would fade at some point. He's faded

[48:40] earlier than I had anticipated and uh it

[48:44] was always clear to me that this ticket

[48:46] could carry the nation and in the

[48:49] process carry the South. I thought it

[48:51] was true before Ross Perau got out and I

[48:53] think it's true today.

[48:54] >> There are blocks of voters that we talk

[48:56] about consistently, the women voters,

[48:58] the minority voters. We heard from Jesse

[49:01] Jackson, we heard from Charlie Wrangle.

[49:03] We heard from Maxine Waters saying why?

[49:06] Well, minorities not considered and

[49:07] certainly with Maxine a minority or a

[49:09] woman. Why why weren't at least those

[49:11] names floated among the

[49:13] >> they were considered. Uh we started out

[49:15] with a list of 40 people that was a

[49:17] narrowed list and I'm not going to tell

[49:20] you who was on that narrowed list. But

[49:22] as a minority, as a black, as one who

[49:25] cares and who has spent his life dealing

[49:27] with diversity, I am satisfied with this

[49:30] ticket.

[49:30] >> Well, take us through the evaluation

[49:31] process because certainly the country is

[49:33] trying to to get to know Al Gore. if

[49:35] they don't to understand the process.

[49:37] What was it that turned the tide for him

[49:39] in your opinion?

[49:40] >> Well, that question you'll have to ask

[49:42] the governor. Uh our job

[49:44] >> You made advice. You gave advice to the

[49:46] governor.

[49:46] >> No, we gave information basically and

[49:48] research. The ultimate decision

[49:52] uh was with the governor, Mr.

[49:54] Christopher, Governor Cunan. And I did

[49:56] not say Governor Clinton, you have to

[49:58] take Al Gore or you have to take so and

[50:01] so or so and so. We said here are the

[50:05] people here that you wanted us to look

[50:06] at. Here they are and here are their

[50:09] ideas. Here is their background and the

[50:13] decision is yours. And I can tell you

[50:18] truthfully

[50:19] without fear of contradiction that it

[50:22] was his decision. And I'm really proud

[50:23] of that because it's the most important

[50:26] decision that he's had.

[50:27] >> Certainly it would be his decision. He

[50:28] he looked at the three of you as

[50:30] advisors on this issue. What was your

[50:33] advice to him?

[50:34] >> Our advice was here they are governor

[50:37] >> and uh we talked about pros and cons

[50:40] obviously but I did not. Warren

[50:43] Christopher did not and Matlin Cunan did

[50:45] not say Gore is your man as opposed to X

[50:49] being your man. That decision was made

[50:51] by the governor.

[50:52] >> All right. What were the cons of Al

[50:53] Gore?

[50:54] >> Uh they're obvious. You've seen him.

[50:57] He's uh he's able.

[50:58] >> Know the cons? He's articulate. You said

[51:00] you've got pros, but what was what were

[51:02] the negatives?

[51:03] >> I had no negatives. Uh and I have none

[51:06] now. He is our nominee and I think that

[51:09] this uh this new generation of young

[51:12] Americans who happen to be from the

[51:14] south are going to care the nation and

[51:16] they're going to care my native sound.

[51:18] >> Any concern about older voters? You've

[51:20] got you've got a young white moderate

[51:23] southern ticket here. Many say it's now

[51:26] sort of the baby boomers over the World

[51:28] War II generation. How does this ticket

[51:30] appeal and were you were you concerned

[51:32] at all not only in terms of of possibly

[51:34] the region but in terms of age and

[51:36] balancing

[51:36] >> and given what I think to be the

[51:38] disenchantment of America with the

[51:40] current administration and I think that

[51:42] George Bush created the parole

[51:44] candidacy. I think the parole candidacy

[51:47] is a is a direct result of uh ineptitude

[51:51] of the ineptitude of this

[51:52] administration. Uh, so I think that

[51:55] older voters will not look at these two

[51:58] bright people with experience. They've

[52:00] been in office for a very long time and

[52:02] I don't think they're going to look at

[52:04] them as unable to lead this nation.

[52:07] >> What about Tippergore? Uh, many looked

[52:10] at Hillary. She's been receiving some

[52:12] criticism concerned about this working

[52:14] woman who may or may not have have at

[52:16] least perceivedly spent time enough time

[52:18] with the family. And yet here was Tipper

[52:20] who personified for many family values.

[52:23] Was this a response to Dan Quay?

[52:24] >> Yeah. Our job was not to uh evaluate

[52:28] spouses or to do research on spouses.

[52:31] Our job was to recommend uh to the

[52:34] governor uh potential candidates for

[52:37] vice president and that's what we did.

[52:39] >> What about the likes of Lee Hamilton,

[52:41] certainly Senator Bob Kerry, Harris

[52:43] Warford, some of the other names that

[52:46] were that were floated up to the last

[52:48] minute. all very able Americans

[52:51] any one of whom in my judgment and I

[52:54] believe in the governor's judgment uh

[52:56] could have served very aly as vice

[52:58] president. Uh to sum it up that was one

[53:01] choice, one telephone call and one

[53:04] affirmative answer.

[53:07] >> There are some that look at this ticket

[53:10] and say why was it not reversed?

[53:14] Why did Al Gore choose not to run this

[53:16] time? Wouldn't it be a better ticket? Is

[53:17] that going to hurt Bill Clinton at all?

[53:19] >> I don't think it's going to hurt Bill

[53:20] Clinton at all. Al Gore made a decision

[53:22] not to run for president. Bill Clinton

[53:24] made a decision to run for president.

[53:27] And when he got to the vice presidential

[53:28] selection process, he asked Al Gore and

[53:31] Al Gore said yes.

[53:34] >> This is a new strategy to take on two

[53:36] from the same region, two men who some

[53:38] describe as mirror images of one

[53:40] another. What does the Democratic ticket

[53:43] have to do? This ticket to expand

[53:45] nationally to to appeal to the

[53:47] electorate as a whole?

[53:48] >> Well, this uh convention behind us here

[53:51] is not just made up of southerners. All

[53:53] 50 states are here. Uh it's a very

[53:55] diverse group. Uh and it seems to me

[53:58] that it says something about the nation

[54:00] that we could set aside geographical uh

[54:03] criteria and go for the best in the

[54:06] party. I think we've done that. Uh we

[54:08] are proud of it and I think it's a

[54:10] winning ticket.

[54:11] >> Well, you're also hearing though from

[54:12] the likes again of Jesse Jackson and

[54:14] others that the traditional base may be

[54:16] being ignored. The cities labor workers

[54:19] that that oldtime Democratic politics is

[54:23] changing and this ticket reflects that.

[54:25] Is that true?

[54:25] >> But as I look out over this group, I see

[54:27] labor there. I see women there. I see

[54:30] blacks there very much involved in this

[54:32] campaign. Very much involved in this

[54:34] process. They're all Democrats. They're

[54:36] all under the tent. Uh, and I don't see

[54:40] any peculiar difference uh from now as

[54:45] uh uh as in the past. I think that uh I

[54:48] think it's going to be just fine.

[54:50] >> All right. Well, Vern and Jordan, thanks

[54:51] very much for coming in and sharing your

[54:53] views with us. And coming up, Virginia

[54:55] Governor Doug Wilder will be speaking to

[54:57] the delegates. Stay with us.

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[56:57] >> Tomorrow, why did Perau fail? How does

[57:00] America feel about it? On Morning News.

[57:02] Later, she pushed family values before

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[57:07] Gore on Crier and Company. All tomorrow

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[57:25] The name of the governor from the

[57:27] Commonwealth of Virginia is Doug Wilder.

[57:30] When this convention first started,

[57:32] there were all kinds of question marks

[57:34] about whether or not Governor Wilder

[57:36] would speak. earlier in an interview on

[57:37] CNN, he indicated that he told Chairman

[57:40] Ron Brown that he came here not wanting

[57:42] any favors or anything like that, wasn't

[57:44] expecting anything. And uh we had the

[57:47] governor, you remember the interview, we

[57:48] had him here in the booth and he said,

[57:50] "No, Ron Brown, nobody's told me when

[57:52] I'm going to speak or anything."

[57:53] >> And better yet, on top of all of that,

[57:55] provided some of the the more

[57:57] interesting controversy when his name

[57:58] was being bantied about as a possible

[58:00] Ross Perau running mate. And of course,

[58:03] uh he came up and spoke with you. didn't

[58:05] quite deny that rumor at least Monday

[58:08] night.

[58:08] >> No, did not. But as we were talking to

[58:10] the governor about how he was being

[58:12] treated, many Virginia delegates didn't

[58:14] like their seats and still don't like

[58:16] them. While I was doing the interview,

[58:18] our executive producer, Bob Fern, told

[58:21] me the time that he would be speaking. I

[58:23] said, "Governor, we've just been told

[58:24] that you're speaking on Thursday." Ron

[58:27] Brown, the chairman of this party, was

[58:29] watching that interview. He was

[58:30] embarrassed. got him on the phone as I

[58:33] recall right after you spoke with him,

[58:36] cleared that matter up, made sure that

[58:38] Governor Wilder knew he was on the list.

[58:42] >> And before he starts speaking very

[58:43] quickly, this man has concerns about

[58:45] Bill Clinton and Al Gore and where

[58:47] they're taking the party, let's see if

[58:49] he keys on some of those concerns in

[58:51] this address.

[58:53] I'm proud to be a part of a new

[58:55] commitment

[58:57] to restoring hope and opportunity

[59:01] to all Americans.

[59:04] And who is the embodiment

[59:07] of this new hope and opportunity?

[59:11] But our nominees for president and vice

[59:14] president, Bill Clinton and Al Gore,

[59:21] who are the trustees of the American

[59:24] dream.

[59:25] It is a dream long in the making, but

[59:29] too long denied to many of us.

[59:33] Just last week, I returned from

[59:36] subsaharan Africa. There are many people

[59:40] and sites that I will never forget.

[59:43] But one place I visited on my first full

[59:46] day will haunt me forever.

[59:50] On the island of Gore

[59:52] off the coast of Sineagal,

[59:55] I toured the most notorious slave house

[59:58] of West Africa.

[60:00] This place of human horror, the day

[60:04] filled with the same stale dread as

[60:08] Oshwitz,

[60:10] was the hallway of no return,

[60:12] where millions of Africans

[60:15] passed on their way to cargo ships.

[60:18] In the ominous hallway,

[60:21] I saw the endless ocean through their

[60:24] eyes and felt those pangs of

[60:27] hopelessness,

[60:29] fear, and despair. In the compound, I

[60:33] saw how human beings were stuffed into

[60:37] pins, inspected and priced like animals,

[60:41] branded like cattle, and packed into the

[60:45] holes of ships. I heard how families

[60:49] were separated and assigned numbers to

[60:52] take the places of their name. I felt

[60:55] the stigma of the women who were abused

[60:58] by their captives, the hopelessness of

[61:01] men who were holed up in water- fil

[61:04] caves because of their resistance and

[61:07] the terror of the so-called

[61:09] uncontrollable

[61:11] as they themselves were fed to the

[61:14] shocks. Upon hearing their horror and

[61:18] seeing their inhuman condition, I

[61:21] couldn't help but feel their anger and

[61:24] hopelessness. But I felt something more.

[61:28] Despite all of this inhuman suffering

[61:32] and despite the pain and evil that it

[61:34] lost, there is a bit of irony as go was

[61:39] yet another conduit for admission to a

[61:43] new land. While I was feeling empty for

[61:48] those who were forced to pass through

[61:50] this spot, I also felt pride for my

[61:56] ancestors and for all who had passed

[61:58] through and had the special place they

[62:01] have in our history. For they overcame

[62:05] obstacles that most workers have never

[62:08] seen and rose up as mighty builders.

[62:11] They raised families, taught values, and

[62:15] helped to build a mighty nation. For

[62:18] they were the true builders of America.

[62:21] And without knowing their tale, the

[62:24] story of this land is incomplete.

[62:27] Who could have known when my ancestors

[62:30] stepped off of sh slave ships with

[62:33] chains on their ankles that they were

[62:36] coming to a land of promise. Irish

[62:39] peasants, Jewish refugees,

[62:42] Hispanic laborers, and Asian boat people

[62:45] have been aware of a better tomorrow for

[62:47] their prosperity once having reached

[62:50] these shores. As I toured Africa, I

[62:54] could not help but flash back to my own

[62:57] past. I was reminded of how I was born

[63:02] into a segregated society. how even

[63:05] after I served my country in Korea on

[63:07] the front line, I had to leave my own

[63:10] state to attend law school and how

[63:14] despite all of the obstacles put in my

[63:16] place, I was able to make a good living,

[63:20] raise three wonderful children, and with

[63:23] the support of open and fair-minded

[63:26] Virginiaians, become the nation's first

[63:29] elected Africanamean governor.

[63:37] And that was done in a place

[63:40] once called the cradle of the

[63:42] Confederacy.

[63:44] Well, now many people say that Virginia

[63:46] can no longer build and create and that

[63:49] Americans can no longer build and

[63:51] create. But we, the descendants of the

[63:54] builders, know they're wrong. It is the

[63:57] duty and the birthright of all Americans

[64:00] to live up to our forefathers greeds in

[64:02] their works. They did not live off the

[64:05] fat of the land, but off the sweat of

[64:08] their brows, and an America willing to

[64:11] rest on its laurels will soon become a

[64:14] nation of the complacent and of the

[64:17] cynical. It then falls to our party to

[64:21] fight for the building and to find a new

[64:24] purpose that unites us all. Abraham

[64:27] Lincoln knew it. We as a nation surely

[64:30] shall perish unless we are united as a

[64:34] people. We Democrats understand that

[64:37] America is at its best with a government

[64:41] that fights for the rights of all of its

[64:44] people and makes a clear purpose that

[64:47] unites us all. A nation that can fight a

[64:51] brutal war to end slavery cannot be

[64:55] frightened by poverty.

[64:57] A nation with the moral authority to

[64:59] declare civil rights for all of its

[65:02] citizens cannot be afraid of lingering

[65:05] racial tensions. We've come too far and

[65:09] we've seen too much and the limits of

[65:12] our progress are defined only by the

[65:15] limits in our character.

[65:18] We are obliged to stand for an agenda

[65:20] for our future and to fight for that

[65:23] agenda. No matter what our polling data

[65:26] or consultants tell us, we must fight

[65:29] against complacency. Whatever the

[65:31] source, George Bush has not led America

[65:35] forward.

[65:37] Sadly, he has led us in circles and

[65:41] sometimes setting the clock back on our

[65:44] progress. The Bush administration has

[65:47] failed. And not just because George Bush

[65:51] is too liberal or too conservative.

[65:54] Rather, it's been a question of trust.

[65:57] George Bush may be willing to do

[65:59] whatever it takes to win again. And when

[66:03] he was asked as to why he deserves

[66:06] another term as president of the United

[66:09] States, he said, "That's the same

[66:12] question Bob asked me this morning."

[66:17] And his answer, we've got to finish what

[66:20] we started. Well, what did he start?

[66:24] Nothing. And what did he finish?

[66:27] Nothing. We cannot allow George Bush to

[66:33] be a failure for America. He can be his

[66:36] own failure.

[66:38] Democrats have led our country to

[66:41] victory in two world wars, created a

[66:44] system for peace in the United Nations,

[66:47] and stood up for Soviet aggression

[66:49] through the establishment of NATO. We

[66:52] must continue to bear any burden, any

[66:55] cause to expand freedom in our world. As

[66:59] a mature democracy and world leader, we

[67:02] have an obligation to play a very vital

[67:05] role and we cannot sit back and allow

[67:09] those persons to do other things. We are

[67:12] in a position of leadership and we need

[67:14] to show that progress around the world.

[67:18] Democrats have always been for progress.

[67:22] Africa, Latin America, Eastern Europe,

[67:25] Southeast Asia, or anywhere else.

[67:28] Helping those people will not help work

[67:31] against us. And we need to do this. We

[67:33] must encourage and take pride in these

[67:36] gains. And let us not forget that their

[67:39] fight was once our fight. Our freedom at

[67:43] home is at risk. An economy stifled by

[67:46] debt and policies that reward the

[67:49] privileged few. And for the last dozen

[67:52] years, the Republicans have had that

[67:54] trickle down. Nothing new. It's been

[67:57] trickling down ever since Warren G.

[67:59] Hardy. We are not going to have that in

[68:02] our country because we are going to

[68:04] elect our people at the state house at

[68:09] the courthouse. But the most important

[68:12] thing, we are going to elect Bill

[68:14] Clinton and Al Gore to the White House

[68:17] 1992.

[68:18] God bless you. Thank you for the

[68:20] opportunity to be here with

[68:24] >> Ken Bod and Bill Schneider. Uh, Governor

[68:27] Wilder State, Virginia has not gone

[68:29] Democratic since 1964.

[68:32] >> In fact, it was the only state that did

[68:34] only southern state that did not go for

[68:35] Jimmy Carter in 1976. It's one of the

[68:37] most conservative southern states, which

[68:39] makes Doug Wilder's election as governor

[68:41] remarkable. Only 18% black. and Wilder,

[68:43] a black man, is the only elected black

[68:46] governor in any state in this century

[68:48] and in Virginia.

[68:50] >> You know, there was that was a

[68:51] surprising speech to me in a little in

[68:53] in a way. I'm wondering when the

[68:57] Democrats are going to begin to tell us

[68:58] about Bill Clinton. They've telling us

[69:01] again and again why we wouldn't why the

[69:03] people of this country shouldn't be for

[69:04] George Bush, but they haven't sold us

[69:06] Bill Clinton at this convention yet.

[69:09] We're certainly going we're certainly

[69:10] going to get an allimp important sale

[69:12] from from the man himself a bit later

[69:14] this evening. We're going to take a

[69:15] short break. We'll be right back.

[69:36] What if we could make all the clean air

[69:38] and water we need?

[69:39] >> What if there was enough food for

[69:41] everyone?

[69:42] >> What if we understood the aging process?

[69:45] >> What if we cared so much about education

[69:48] we made the most of every mind?

[69:51] >> What if research in space made life

[69:53] better on Earth?

[69:55] We're helping to build space station

[69:57] freedom, the next step in space

[69:59] exploration and a new way to look at the

[70:02] home planet.

[70:06] >> If you would take a star and put it next

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