CNN - Iraq War - 2003-03-19 - 11:22 p.m. (E)

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[0:00] seen from this location so far. A tiny

[0:02] handful of taxes, many of them

[0:05] government vehicles. Uh no sign of

[0:08] soldiers out on the streets here at this

[0:10] time, but then no signs of no signs of

[0:13] normal life. The stores are closed.

[0:15] There were vehicles parked at the side

[0:16] of the road. The vehicles that came out

[0:18] earlier on, some of them were screeching

[0:20] around the corners trying to get

[0:21] wherever they were going in a hurry. Um

[0:24] but the only other vehicles apart from

[0:26] the government vehicles and a couple of

[0:27] taxes are a few uh vehicles belonging to

[0:30] television news agencies. They are

[0:32] marked in in bold letters TV to indicate

[0:36] that they belonging to television news

[0:38] organizations. Those vehicles also

[0:40] driving around the city very quiet. Uh

[0:43] there's no wind at this time. The palm

[0:45] trees that line the river here uh are

[0:47] hanging limply. The visibility is not

[0:50] typical for this city. The visibility is

[0:52] quite limited at this time. Still hazy.

[0:54] It seems some of the dirt kicked up by

[0:57] the storms in the last few days is still

[0:58] in the air and the skies overhead

[1:01] clearing a little but still mostly

[1:03] cloudier this time. Aaron,

[1:05] >> it is Nick. Thank you. It is to look at

[1:07] it and to know. It is as if a a terrible

[1:10] thunderstorm came through and passed and

[1:13] now we are waiting for a much larger

[1:16] typhoon to hit the city of Baghdad and

[1:19] the rest of the country of Iraq. It will

[1:21] come, we I think we can be fairly

[1:23] certain first from the air, more cruise

[1:25] missiles, 40 already launched, but at

[1:27] some point ground forces will move in

[1:29] and the bulk of them will come in from

[1:32] Kuwait. They have over the last several

[1:34] days uh units have moved much closer to

[1:37] the border really kissing up against the

[1:40] border and they now stand there in the

[1:42] early morning 7:30 in the in the morning

[1:44] on a Thursday waiting for the order to

[1:46] move. Whether that will come today,

[1:48] tomorrow, the next day, uh we do not

[1:50] know and will not speculate, but we know

[1:52] Walt Rogers is there now. Walt,

[1:58] hello Aaron. Another sign that the

[2:00] battle plan is unfolding here. Again,

[2:02] the US Army is sitting in the extreme

[2:04] northern uh edge of the Kuwaiti desert,

[2:06] very close to the Iraqi border. But the

[2:08] sign that the battle plan is unfolding

[2:10] on the horizon in that direction about 2

[2:13] miles. I can see tanker trucks moving

[2:15] up. These are the support vehicles which

[2:17] will refuel the tanks and the Bradley

[2:20] fighting vehicles when President Bush

[2:22] does give the order for the units to

[2:23] move forward. Let me share a bit of a

[2:25] charming vignette with you that you

[2:27] might enjoy. Aaron, you sitting in the

[2:29] CNN studio and the CNN viewers in the

[2:32] United States and around the world

[2:34] actually knew about the attack on

[2:36] Baghdad. Uh the attempt to assassinate

[2:39] Saddam Hussein before any of the

[2:41] soldiers here in the field knew about

[2:43] it. Everyone at the tip of the spear out

[2:46] there in their Bradley fighting

[2:47] vehicles. Uh they're so removed from the

[2:50] big picture which CNN is reporting that

[2:52] actually we here at CNN were reporting

[2:55] to the soldiers in the field. what was

[2:58] happening. That is the uh air strike and

[3:00] the cruise missile strikes against

[3:01] selective targets in Baghdad before any

[3:04] of the soldiers know it. They have a

[3:06] very focused mission out here. That

[3:08] mission is when the when the orders come

[3:10] to charge, they just fold up the back of

[3:13] those Bradley fighting vehicles, close

[3:15] the hatches on the M1 A1 Abrams tanks,

[3:17] and go forward. Uh John King at the

[3:19] White House a short while ago said it

[3:21] could be yet another 12 hours before the

[3:23] command comes for these troops to move

[3:25] forward. That looks very accurate from

[3:27] where we are. We would probably take two

[3:30] to three hours to move even now. And

[3:32] we're the leading edge. We're the

[3:34] cutting edge. Uh that is the seventh

[3:36] cavalry is the cutting edge here. Uh so

[3:38] it'll be at minimum 2 to three hours

[3:40] before we could roll forward even if the

[3:43] command came now. And then beyond that

[3:46] uh John King was speculating 12 hours.

[3:48] That looks fairly realistic. Over the

[3:50] horizon in that direction uh back to the

[3:53] south is the huge uh third infantry

[3:56] division mechanized infantry with with

[3:58] uh hundreds of tanks um uh 155

[4:02] millimeter paladin guns. They have yet

[4:04] to be brought up. The seventh uh

[4:06] cavalry, the unit with which I've been

[4:08] embedded is the scouting unit. We would

[4:10] be the first out uh into Kuwait when or

[4:13] excuse me into Iraq departing Kuwait.

[4:15] But again, the order has not been given

[4:17] to cross the line of departure. Seventh

[4:20] Cavalry remains in its attack position

[4:22] which is stationary. Aaron,

[4:24] >> uh, just Wald, as briefly as you can,

[4:26] when you walked over to these troops,

[4:28] when you walked over to them and told

[4:30] them what we had been reporting that the

[4:32] the strikes had happened, that the war

[4:35] apparently was on, how did they react?

[4:39] >> They were sort of dumbfounded. You sort

[4:41] of scratched their heads like, why

[4:43] didn't somebody tell us? Again, that's

[4:45] not their position to get the the

[4:47] overall the big strategic picture which

[4:49] you're reporting so well back there. But

[4:51] our position here is very tactical. That

[4:54] is to say, these units when they go

[4:55] forward see only a very small tactical

[4:58] picture, an immediate objective. They

[5:00] follow a road map and the road map for

[5:02] the seventh cavalry is up to Baghdad.

[5:04] But again, uh there's no indication.

[5:06] They had no indication this was coming.

[5:08] And even the officers in this unit were

[5:10] unaware of what was happening before you

[5:13] were reporting it to that big CNN

[5:15] audience, Aaron.

[5:16] >> Well, thank you. Walt Rogers in the

[5:17] desert and we'll be seeing him a lot in

[5:19] the days ahead. We're certain um much is

[5:22] now starting to unfold, though perhaps

[5:24] not all of it out uh out on the water,

[5:26] the USS Lincoln. Um Kira Phillips is one

[5:30] of the embedded reporters out there. Uh

[5:32] we're trying to get the pictures in. You

[5:34] can see the fighter jets. Um there's

[5:37] some breakup obviously these are live

[5:39] pictures and this is complicated

[5:40] technology.

[5:42] >> Um Kira, are you able to hear me?

[5:43] >> Brian or Aaron, can you hear me Aaron?

[5:46] >> Yeah, we we are able to hear you barely.

[5:48] Go ahead.

[5:51] >> Okay, Aaron, as you're listening to me,

[5:53] Brian is on an F-14 Tomcat right now.

[5:56] I'm going to try and get the guys to uh

[5:59] give you a salute. Uh they just gave me

[6:01] the signal that they are headed off uh

[6:04] off the US Abraham Lincoln here. I I got

[6:07] to tell you it's been a bit confusing

[6:09] because um the plan was for the strikes

[6:12] of course to start later in the day. Uh

[6:15] and now everything has sort of been

[6:17] jumped up at the last minute. As you

[6:18] know, the decapitation strike uh uh was

[6:21] attempted earlier today and now the F-14

[6:25] pilots uh are coming out slowly uh to

[6:27] their jets. Let me see if I can get them

[6:30] TO WAVE. THERE WE GO. We got the pilot

[6:32] to give us a wave.

[6:35] Let's see if I can get the Rio to give

[6:36] us a signal there from the back there.

[6:39] They basically gave me a thumbs up.

[6:42] >> Well, we we uh

[6:44] >> they're watching the uh

[6:46] >> It's hard to see them, but we

[6:48] >> There we go. Did you see that?

[6:49] >> There we did. We were able to see it

[6:50] there. And all we can do and say, and we

[6:53] know we speak for everyone, is we wish

[6:55] them safe flight and safe return. Kira,

[6:58] thanks. Nick Robertson in Baghdad. Nick,

[7:02] Aaron, indeed. Just while we've been

[7:04] talking in the last few minutes, an

[7:06] announcer has appeared on Iraqi

[7:07] television saying that President Saddam

[7:09] Hussein will make an address to the

[7:12] nation, will make a speech in the next

[7:14] few minutes. The announcer has made that

[7:16] announcement several times in the last

[7:17] few minutes. It seems at this stage the

[7:20] Iraqi government responding very quickly

[7:22] to the notion that this decapitation

[7:25] attempt on the Iraqi leader, this target

[7:27] of opportunity um was unsuccessful. We

[7:31] are expecting that. That's what Iraqi

[7:33] television is telling its people at this

[7:35] time to expect an announcement in the

[7:37] next few minutes from the Iraqi leader.

[7:39] We're watching the television here and

[7:41] as soon as it happens, Aaron, we will

[7:43] bring you all the details. Well, and

[7:45] it's it is important for a couple of

[7:48] reasons. It is important for the anyone

[7:52] in Iraq um who might have designs on um

[7:57] defecting on surrendering on uh not

[8:00] fighting a war that's about to unfold to

[8:03] know that Saddam Hussein and his

[8:04] leadership this most feared of people

[8:07] that his government is still intact and

[8:09] and that there are consequences uh

[8:12] perhaps awaiting. Um, and it's

[8:14] important, I suppose, for the Iraqi

[8:15] people to know that as well, that the

[8:17] government, whatever they may think of

[8:19] it, that the government of Iraq is still

[8:20] in place. And this decapitation effort,

[8:23] whatever it was, was not um successful

[8:26] in an absolute sense, that is to say, if

[8:28] if in fact Saddam Hussein appears on

[8:30] television and if it was designed to get

[8:33] him um and if in fact these were not

[8:36] taped pictures, then uh he is still

[8:38] alive. But we'll know that. We'll know

[8:40] that in 15 20 minutes, half an hour

[8:43] whenever he uh goes on TV. Uh and we'll

[8:47] translate what he has to say. Um

[8:50] when he when he does. Uh Wolf is I I

[8:53] think you want me to do this. Wolf is in

[8:55] uh Kuwait. Wolf,

[8:58] thanks Aaron. Uh I want to do a little

[9:00] bit more analysis now on the weaponry

[9:02] that was used in this initial attack

[9:04] against the selected targets in Baghdad.

[9:06] Apparently perhaps elsewhere as well.

[9:08] Joining us, our CNN military analyst,

[9:10] retired GR, US Army General Wesley

[9:13] Clark, the former NATO commander, as

[9:15] well as the former Secretary of Defense,

[9:17] William Cohen. First to you, General

[9:18] Clark, these uh Tomahawk cruise missiles

[9:22] that were used, one of the great

[9:23] advantages of them is that they can be

[9:25] fired from a great distance away.

[9:27] They're very precise and obviously they

[9:30] don't have any pilots involved. As a

[9:32] result, uh no US casualties are going to

[9:35] be inflicted. But in your experience

[9:37] with these Tomahawk cruise missiles, if

[9:39] they're going after a decapitation

[9:41] target, a specific group of leadership,

[9:43] how effective, how reliable can they be

[9:46] in this kind of mission?

[9:48] >> Well, there are they are exceptionally

[9:50] reliable and um they do take time to

[9:53] program and plan the use, but obviously

[9:56] that was done and they're very very

[9:57] accurate. Now, uh they have a particular

[10:00] warhead capability on them. They're good

[10:03] at certain types of targets. Other types

[10:05] of targets they're not as good at. But

[10:07] for the targets that they're good at,

[10:09] they are very, very good indeed. And the

[10:11] thing you have to remember is because

[10:13] there is no pilot in there, you don't

[10:15] need to clean up the air defenses before

[10:17] you can come in safely. They could

[10:19] launch another strike. They could launch

[10:21] another strike after that. Uh and if you

[10:24] place yourself in the mind of the Iraqis

[10:26] and ask, you know, what what is this

[10:29] coming after us? uh we're talking about

[10:31] one decapitating strike. There could be

[10:33] a whole series of of surprises in store

[10:36] for the Iraq leadership thanks to these

[10:38] cruise missiles.

[10:40] And Secretary Cohen, as we try to assess

[10:43] the role of the F-17A,

[10:46] these stealth fighters that were

[10:47] apparently used in this initial strike

[10:49] as well. Uh these are the strikes that

[10:51] are these are the planes that are

[10:52] supposedly invisible to radar. They were

[10:55] used very effectively during the first

[10:57] Pers Persian Gulf War, but I assume

[10:59] they've been dramatically improved over

[11:01] the past 12 years.

[11:02] >> Actually, they were used very

[11:04] successfully also in the war in Kosovo,

[11:06] which General Clark was intimately

[11:08] involved. They're nearly invisible. No

[11:11] aircraft is fully invisible, but uh the

[11:14] uh near invisibility coupled with

[11:16] nighttime capability makes them very

[11:18] very difficult, if not almost impossible

[11:20] to detect. uh but uh the u the avionics

[11:24] no doubt have been upgraded. Uh the

[11:25] technology is actually quite old. These

[11:27] were u fighter aircraft and bombers that

[11:30] were developed way back in 50s and 60s

[11:32] technology. But uh in terms of the

[11:35] avionics and the precision munitions

[11:37] obviously that has been substantially

[11:38] upgraded but um we have a saying that

[11:42] the uh the our air force owns the night

[11:44] but we also will own the day. uh we will

[11:47] take down their air defenses and so

[11:49] within a matter of a few days uh it

[11:51] should be very evident that these

[11:53] aircraft u the non-stalth aircraft as

[11:56] well as the stealth bombers will be

[11:57] flying with without much of a threat

[12:00] other than artillery being rained upon

[12:02] them from below but uh we should own the

[12:04] skies both day and night soon

[12:07] and Secretary Con as you were speaking

[12:09] we were showing our viewers the

[12:10] department of defense video that was

[12:12] released from that destroyer where the

[12:14] that cruise missile was launched from a

[12:17] destroyer. We're not sure where that

[12:18] destroyer is, whether it's in the Red

[12:21] Sea, whether it's in the Persian Gulf,

[12:23] where it was, but uh this is part of the

[12:26] combined strategy. The Navy directly

[12:28] involved, the Air Force, the Army, the

[12:30] Marine Corps, the Coast Guard as well.

[12:32] Well, uh, let me bring back General

[12:34] Clark as you take a look at the

[12:36] improvements in in all branches of the

[12:38] US military working together under

[12:40] General Tommy Franks, the commander of

[12:42] the central command, the chief planner

[12:44] of this operation. Things have improved

[12:46] dramatically as far as cooperation

[12:49] between the various branches of the US

[12:51] military.

[12:52] >> They they really have because we've had

[12:54] a number of experiences where we've

[12:56] learned our lessons the hard way. I mean

[12:58] we we learned an enormous amount from

[13:00] the first Gulf War and at after that we

[13:02] recognized that all the services had to

[13:04] have precision weaponry in Kosovo. We

[13:06] learned the importance of the army and

[13:08] the air force and the navy working

[13:09] together. We learned to planned big

[13:11] operations. We put that practice uh into

[13:14] effect in Afghanistan where we took the

[13:16] unmanned aerial vehicles and we linked

[13:18] them in with better command and control

[13:20] to the strike targets and we put special

[13:22] operations forces on the ground to help

[13:24] guide the weaponry. All of those lessons

[13:26] are going to be on display and going to

[13:29] be very very effectively used here in

[13:31] this campaign against Iraq. Wolf

[13:36] Secretary Cohen, uh, the F-17A is this

[13:39] stealth fighter we talked about just a

[13:41] few moments ago, but there's obviously

[13:43] the B2 stealth bombers which have a

[13:45] significantly improved capability. No

[13:48] indication they've been used yet as far

[13:50] as any strikes uh as far as this initial

[13:53] burst of activity, military activity,

[13:55] but presumably they will be used.

[13:56] They've been moved closer to the theater

[13:59] as well. Uh talk to our viewers a little

[14:01] bit about this B2 and what they're

[14:03] capable of doing. Well, the B2 is

[14:06] capable of flying all the way from Konis

[14:08] or continental United States all the way

[14:10] to Iraq, being refueled several times

[14:13] along the way. Uh carrying uh at least

[14:17] 16 precisiong guided bombs that can hit

[14:20] their targets with absolute precision.

[14:23] Uh and so they can fly long distances.

[14:26] They have a very small crew of of two uh

[14:30] and are enormously successful and have

[14:33] been successful in in our campaigns.

[14:36] >> I'm sorry.

[14:37] >> And and uh I I want to just to bring

[14:40] back General Clark. Uh those B2s, they

[14:42] were they were flying from the

[14:44] continental United States, but we're not

[14:45] told they have been moved closer to the

[14:47] theater to Diego Garcia in the Indian

[14:49] Ocean where they've got these hangers

[14:51] that can that can accommodate the B2.

[14:53] This is a dramatic development as far as

[14:56] this potential war is concerned.

[14:58] >> It is Wolf because this enables us to

[15:00] put more aircraft over the target area.

[15:04] The turnaround time is less. So the US

[15:06] Air Force that's flying these aircraft

[15:08] is going to be able to turn the

[15:10] aircraft. It's going to save fatigue on

[15:12] the crew and so it it's a real

[15:14] efficiency measure in terms of use of

[15:16] the aircraft.

[15:18] What do you think, Secretary Con, of

[15:20] this strategy that we now see unfolding

[15:23] here uh in the past couple hours and a

[15:25] limited military strike, Tomahawk cruise

[15:28] missiles, F-17A stealth fighters, but

[15:31] now an apparent pause as the US prepares

[15:34] for the next wave of activity. A pause

[15:37] that presumably will result in Saddam

[15:39] Hussein, if Iraqi television and radio

[15:41] are correct, Saddam Hussein making a

[15:43] statement to his own people. What do you

[15:45] make of this strategy? Well, again, uh

[15:48] much depends upon the information and

[15:50] intelligence that the president had at

[15:51] his disposal. Uh he obviously wanted to

[15:54] take advantage of any opportunity he had

[15:57] to to launch a strike against Saddam in

[15:59] his uh uh in his inner circle to the

[16:01] extent that that was unsuccessful.

[16:04] That's the first shot. There are many

[16:05] more to come. Secondly, they may be

[16:07] waiting in terms of the sequencing of

[16:09] the forces in terms of the weather

[16:11] clearing so that the ground forces can

[16:13] act nearly simultaneously along with the

[16:16] helicopters, low-flying helicopters as

[16:18] well as all of the precision aircraft.

[16:20] So, uh it may have to do with the the

[16:23] battle plan as such. This was simply an

[16:25] opportunity that was seized, may not

[16:27] have worked out, but it's uh the shape

[16:29] of things to come. in the shape of those

[16:31] things to come, a very heavy raining of

[16:34] 3,000 or more missiles in a very short

[16:36] period of time with combined air, land,

[16:39] and sea forces.

[16:42] >> All right, Secretary William Con, the

[16:43] former defense secretary, thanks very

[16:45] much. We'll be standing by speaking to

[16:47] you and General Clark as well, our CNN

[16:49] military analyst. Back to you, Aaron.

[16:51] >> Thank you. And we are hearing now from

[16:53] Iraqi TV that Saddam Hussein will in

[16:56] fact go on the air address the country

[16:58] whether that um he has rarely if ever

[17:01] done live TV for security reasons but

[17:04] he's going to make some statement on

[17:05] Iraqi TV and we expect that shortly but

[17:08] it has not if I heard the the

[17:10] information correctly it has not

[17:12] happened yet. We are in an odd by our

[17:15] thinking at least odd in between moment

[17:18] where something has started. It is

[17:20] absolutely correct to say that the war

[17:23] against Iraq is underway, but as former

[17:26] Secretary of Defense Con said, the shock

[17:30] and awe, this raining down of 3,000 or

[17:33] so cruise missiles, that is the

[17:35] beginning of the massive battle plan,

[17:38] the sequencing to use the military term,

[17:41] has not yet started and may not start uh

[17:44] for many hours to come. John King talked

[17:46] about 12 hours. Jamie McIntyre earlier

[17:49] talked 24 to 48 hours and General Clark

[17:52] said that would neither be a problem nor

[17:55] a particular surprise. They want to do

[17:57] this on their time when it is when the

[17:59] weather is best when everything is in

[18:01] shape when all of the ships and all of

[18:03] the planes and all of the soldiers are

[18:05] ready to go. John King's at the White

[18:07] House. John.

[18:08] >> Well, Aaron, the senior official who

[18:09] spoke who I spoke to a while ago who did

[18:12] say he thought it would be about 12

[18:13] hours, perhaps more before you would see

[18:15] any major military operation underway. I

[18:17] asked what would happen in the meantime.

[18:18] This official said, "We will watch, we

[18:20] will listen, and we will learn." So

[18:22] certainly more developments to come.

[18:24] Quiet here at the White House now after

[18:26] a dramatic day, the signature moment of

[18:28] the Bush presidency, of course. And as

[18:29] we watch Daybreak in Baghdad and as we

[18:31] have an apparent lull in the military

[18:33] activities, I want to bring back some of

[18:35] the words the president did speak

[18:37] earlier tonight. He said that a selected

[18:40] targets had been attacked tonight. But

[18:41] the president also warned the American

[18:43] people, in his words, that this could go

[18:45] longer and more could be a longer and

[18:47] more dangerous operation than many had

[18:49] predicted.

[18:52] In this conflict, America faces an enemy

[18:55] who has no regard for conventions of war

[18:58] or rules of morality.

[19:01] Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops

[19:03] and equipment in civilian areas

[19:05] attempting to use innocent men, women,

[19:08] and children as shields for his own

[19:10] military. A final atrocity against his

[19:14] people.

[19:15] Mr. Bush promised to use the full might

[19:18] and the full resources of the United

[19:19] States military in prosecuting this war.

[19:21] And as we wait to see what the next

[19:23] phase is, we obviously are focused on

[19:25] the tactical things before us. the

[19:27] attack tonight, the battle damage

[19:28] assessment, whether Saddam Hussein or

[19:30] any major Iraqi leaders were in fact

[19:32] killed in that strike. Also though,

[19:34] Aaron, as we watch Daybreak in Baghdad,

[19:35] it will be interesting as Daybreaks in

[19:37] other key capitals around the world.

[19:39] This war and this president's policy of

[19:41] preeemption is quite controversial

[19:43] around the world as he prosecutes this

[19:44] war and issues the key orders in the

[19:46] hours and days to come. He also will

[19:48] have to deal with significant political

[19:50] fallout around the world. And one of the

[19:51] things that all of us will be watching

[19:54] beyond the military uh uh plan that

[19:57] unfolds is how will it unfold in the

[19:59] streets of Arab capitals and um in truth

[20:03] how it's going to unfold in the streets

[20:05] of the United States. We went to as a

[20:07] country to a higher state of alert the

[20:09] other night after uh the president's

[20:11] ultimatum and there is as you know

[20:14] enormous concern about homeland security

[20:16] and the relationship between a possible

[20:19] terrorist attack in this country what

[20:22] Gene reserve who covers such matters for

[20:24] us uh the other night chillingly to our

[20:26] ear chillingly described as almost

[20:30] certainty uh an attempt at a terrorist

[20:32] attack. Uh Kira Phillips is on the USS

[20:35] Abraham Lincoln um this morning. At

[20:38] least this morning for her. Kira,

[20:44] >> Eric, can you hear me? Okay.

[20:45] >> Yeah, I hear you good. Go ahead.

[20:49] >> All right. I apologize. As you can

[20:51] imagine, it's really hard to uh hear you

[20:53] and even hear myself here on the flight

[20:56] line. The F-14 that you just saw take

[20:59] off. I'm not going to give you full

[21:00] names at this point. And I'm going to

[21:02] stick with call signs. That was Crunchy

[21:04] and Rico taking off in that jet. Uh,

[21:06] prior to that, it was Panto and Sully,

[21:09] the first jet to launch off the USS

[21:11] Abraham Lincoln as this campaign against

[21:14] Iraq has begun. This is what I can tell

[21:17] you right now. Operation Southern Watch

[21:20] is still in effect. These jets that are

[21:22] launching off the USS uh Abraham Lincoln

[21:25] are conducting regular operations with

[21:27] Operation Southern Watch. Of course, at

[21:30] any moment those jets could be called in

[21:33] to fly over Baghdad. As you know, uh

[21:35] Aaron, this is a very difficult time for

[21:37] me right now because there's a lot of

[21:39] information that I know, a lot of

[21:40] classified information, and so I've got

[21:43] to be really careful about what I say

[21:45] right now. But what I can tell you is

[21:47] that things are in full swing right now.

[21:49] Uh F-14s are the first strike fighter

[21:52] pilots to launch off at US Abraham

[21:54] Lincoln. You can see the other aircraft

[21:56] uh getting ready uh uh loading up,

[21:59] getting ready to go. The radar jammers,

[22:01] the Prowlers have also uh launched off

[22:03] the USS Abraham Lincoln. Um I've got to

[22:07] stick to pretty much the basics right

[22:09] now. I can tell you uh they'll be once

[22:12] uh heading over Baghdad. Aaron, they'll

[22:14] be going for pretty obvious targets, uh

[22:17] military targets, uh government

[22:19] buildings. you know about the

[22:21] decapitation air strike that already

[22:23] took place uh with the hopes of getting

[22:25] Saddam Hussein before uh additional

[22:28] bombs had to be dropped. But at this

[22:31] point um that's what I can tell you

[22:33] right now F-14s uh in full force. The

[22:36] Tomcatterers launching off the USS

[22:39] Abraham Lincoln right now uh as this

[22:41] conflict with Iraq has begun. Aarin

[22:44] >> Kira, thank you very much. Kira Phillips

[22:45] is aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. Um,

[22:48] and just to do a bit of translating if I

[22:50] can some of that. This is a remarkable

[22:53] technology that allows uh these

[22:55] correspondents to file from the middle

[22:58] of of oceans from remote places in

[23:00] northern Iraq from the Kuwaiti desert.

[23:03] Um, and sometimes it's not a perfect

[23:06] technology. As I heard her, these are

[23:09] the routine flights that have been going

[23:10] on for some time into southern Iraq,

[23:13] into the no-fly zone of southern Iraq.

[23:15] There has been an increase in these, a

[23:18] 30% or more increase in these in recent

[23:20] weeks as they soften up if you will. Uh

[23:23] the air defenses in that part of Iraq.

[23:26] Uh this is this is has been going on in

[23:29] many respects for years, but it has gone

[23:32] on far more intensively in recent weeks.

[23:35] And that's what these it these planes

[23:39] are involved in. and they are not yet

[23:41] involved in what the president referred

[23:44] to as the broad attack

[23:48] that will begin in some at some point um

[23:53] some point today or some point tomorrow

[23:55] at some point of the US military's

[23:57] choosing when the military decides the

[24:00] time is right in Kuwait for us now is

[24:03] Cristian Amanur Christian

[24:07] >> Erin as you know the United States had

[24:09] hoped to have two fronts, not only the

[24:11] front leaving from Kuwait here, but also

[24:14] a northern front from Turkey. That

[24:16] wasn't possible because the Turkish

[24:18] parliament voted against so far allowing

[24:20] US troops to be based there. In any

[24:22] event, she CNN's Jane Araf is in

[24:25] northern Iraq quite close to the Turkish

[24:27] border. Jane, what is going on over

[24:29] there? And do the Kurds expect to make

[24:32] any move down towards Baghdad or indeed

[24:34] towards any of the strategic targets

[24:37] around your area? For instance, oil

[24:39] fields and the like roughly.

[24:45] >> Well, again, we just talked about some

[24:46] of the extraordinary technology that

[24:48] we've been using around this uh area as

[24:50] we try to bring you all the news. Jane

[24:52] was coming to us by video phone from

[24:54] Dohook in northern Iraq, but we seem to

[24:57] have lost that capability right now.

[24:58] We'll get back to it as soon as

[25:00] possible. In the meantime, Walt Rogers

[25:03] is one of our correspondents who comes

[25:05] to us via satellite dish in Kuwait with

[25:08] I believe it's the cavalry there.

[25:10] Walter,

[25:13] hello Christian. Nice to talk to you

[25:15] again. The situation here with the

[25:17] Seventh Cavalry along the northern

[25:19] Kuwaiti border with Iraq, we should tell

[25:22] you, is no change of plans despite the

[25:25] selective air strikes uh against

[25:27] Baghdad. An army source told me a short

[25:30] while ago, this is not meaning this does

[25:32] not mean there will be any hastening of

[25:34] the ground movement forward. At this

[25:36] point, the Seventh Cavalry is in what's

[25:39] called an attack uh position, but it has

[25:42] not received orders to cross um the the

[25:45] the line of of departure yet. What that

[25:48] means is that the army is going to be

[25:50] sitting here probably at least another

[25:53] 12 hours. Uh they have a plan. That plan

[25:56] was to hold back until they got orders

[25:58] from the Pentagon, orders from the White

[26:00] House. Nothing that happened in Baghdad

[26:03] has changed that plan at all. Uh it

[26:06] would take at least 3 hours if the

[26:07] orders came through uh immediately right

[26:10] now for this unit to move forward. Uh

[26:12] and there's no indication it's going to

[26:14] come. Again, an a soldier with whom I

[26:16] spoke a short while ago said the the

[26:19] orders remain very constant here. Again,

[26:21] they have not changed their plan. Some

[26:23] speculation is could be at least another

[26:25] 24 hours before the huge land armada

[26:29] which is sitting over that horizon back

[26:31] there. the uh uh third mechanized

[26:33] infantry division, the third division of

[26:35] the US Army will be coming forward.

[26:37] There was one indication that the time

[26:40] is drawing closer. Earlier along the

[26:42] horizon, we did see um 5,000galon

[26:46] tankers. Those are needed, of course, to

[26:48] fuel the tanks and the Bradley armored

[26:50] fighting vehicles. They're moving close

[26:52] to us, but we are with the Seventh

[26:54] Cavalry, and the Seventh Cavalry is the

[26:57] leading edge of an attack. No indication

[26:59] that attack is coming soon. Despite what

[27:01] happened in Baghdad, the army says their

[27:03] orders remain the same. They are to sit

[27:06] in this extreme uh northern position up

[27:08] against the Iraqi border, but not to go

[27:11] forward. Christian

[27:14] Walter, thanks. And of course, Walter

[27:16] had mentioned that the unit that he's

[27:18] with there didn't even know that the

[27:19] opening stages of this campaign had

[27:21] begun because each uh unit that the

[27:24] reporters are with have their own narrow

[27:26] field of vision. there. We're going to

[27:28] go again now to northern Iraq and try to

[27:30] get hold of Jane Araf who's in Dohook.

[27:33] And as we were saying, the Americans had

[27:35] hoped to use northern Iraq as a northern

[27:37] front. That has not yet been possible.

[27:40] Jane, is there any indication about what

[27:42] is expected from where you are and

[27:44] whether the Kurds or any kind of

[27:46] military activity is expected

[27:48] particularly to move down towards any of

[27:50] the oil fields or any of the strategic

[27:52] locations in the north?

[27:56] Well, Christianne, the Kurdish military

[27:58] has been operating in the airfields and

[28:00] along positions obviously along the

[28:02] Turkish border and the Iraqi border

[28:04] along with select groups of American

[28:06] military just behind us. And as you

[28:08] pointed out, we're in the city of

[28:09] Dohook, one of the major cities in

[28:11] northern Iraq and the closest Kurdish

[28:13] controlled city next to Mosul, the

[28:15] second biggest Iraqi city. There is a

[28:19] mountain, this a lookout point for

[28:21] Kurdish military. American soldiers are

[28:23] believed to be known to be there as

[28:26] well. Now the big fear of course of

[28:28] Kurdish officials and the Kurdish

[28:30] military has been Turkish troops coming

[28:32] in. That seems to have been diffused for

[28:34] now that there areians of Kurdish

[28:37] Keshmega. Those are fighters who

[28:40] literally translated as those who fear

[28:41] death ranged along the Turkish border.

[28:44] Now they say obviously they are prepared

[28:46] to fight Iraqi forces but so far there's

[28:48] no sign of Iraqi forces here along the

[28:51] line of what would be the front line

[28:54] Iraqi government controlled territory

[28:57] few kilometers away all quiet they say

[29:03] Jane thanks and you're breaking up just

[29:05] a little bit so we will come back to you

[29:07] a little bit later as we continue to

[29:09] monitor this situation from various

[29:11] vantage points around Iraq and inside of

[29:13] Iraq And right now we're going to go

[29:15] back to Aaron in Atlanta.

[29:17] >> Cristian, thank you very much. Uh we're

[29:19] waiting for a statement from the Iraqi

[29:21] president Saddam Hussein that we expect

[29:23] to see on Iraqi television shortly. We

[29:25] saw a moment ago that the Spanish Prime

[29:27] Minister Anzour would uh be addressing

[29:31] the people in his country. Spain was one

[29:34] of the co-sponsors of the resolution

[29:35] that never was that second resolution at

[29:38] the UN. He has been a staunch supporter

[29:40] of President Bush's and the policy and

[29:43] was with the president in the Azors uh

[29:45] for that summit with Prime Minister

[29:47] Blair on Sunday and he'll talk to his um

[29:51] his people uh as well. Jamie McIntyre is

[29:54] at the Pentagon. Jamie.

[29:56] >> Well, just to recap a little bit about

[29:58] what we know here as we've been piecing

[29:59] this all together throughout the night.

[30:01] Uh this was a Tomahawk cruise missile

[30:04] strike and a strike by F-17 stealth

[30:07] fighters at targets in Baghdad and uh

[30:11] and south of Baghdad. Here we see one of

[30:13] the cruise missiles fired from the USS

[30:15] Donald Cook which was in the Red Sea. Uh

[30:18] there were also missiles fired from a

[30:20] submarine in the Red Sea and an Eegis

[30:22] cruiser in the Persian Gulf. More than

[30:24] 40 cruise missiles uh total were

[30:27] scheduled to be launched in this attack.

[30:30] Jamie, I need to interrupt you here.

[30:31] Nick Robertson, what are you hearing in

[30:33] Baghdad?

[30:34] >> Aaron, the air raid siren going off here

[30:37] again in Baghdad. This is about 2 hours

[30:39] and 20 minutes after the initial air

[30:41] raid siren went off. From what I am told

[30:43] here, uh, this is an air raid siren. Not

[30:46] giving me all clear, but an air raid

[30:48] siren warning that a raid is coming. The

[30:50] siren there.

[30:53] >> Well, and actually winding down. Just

[30:55] winding down as I speak to you, Aaron.

[30:57] Well, we Yeah, but we were actually,

[30:59] Nick, we were able to hear some of that

[31:01] as we were able to hear uh some of the

[31:04] anti-aircraft fire uh a couple of hours

[31:06] ago. Just stay on the line and we're

[31:08] probably 10 minutes or so away from

[31:10] hearing whatever the Iraqi president has

[31:12] to say. Um Jamie, I interrupted you

[31:15] abruptly. I hope not rudely. Uh why

[31:18] don't you go ahead and pick it up where

[31:19] you were?

[31:20] >> I was just say we saw some of the cruise

[31:21] missile strikes that were launched. Uh

[31:23] in addition, F-17 stealth fighters. Uh

[31:27] this was what what one Pentagon official

[31:29] called a target of opportunity, a

[31:32] location where it was believed that very

[31:34] senior Iraqi leadership was located,

[31:37] including uh an official says Saddam

[31:39] Hussein. The hope was that they would be

[31:42] able to uh take out some of the Iraqi

[31:44] leadership, including perhaps Saddam

[31:46] Hussein, and uh vastly simplify the task

[31:50] of trying to prosecute this war against

[31:53] Iraq. Um, at this point we still don't

[31:55] know the results of the strike. Uh, it

[31:57] was something that was planned at the

[31:59] last minute, essentially signed off by

[32:01] President Bush at the White House this

[32:03] evening and carried out even though uh

[32:05] the plans for the start of the uh the

[32:08] war that was supposed to be a very

[32:10] robust start uh did not call for those

[32:12] plans to start tonight. So

[32:15] >> Jamie, go ahead.

[32:16] >> I'm sorry, Jamie. Is the news lid on at

[32:19] the Pentagon?

[32:20] >> You know, the Pentagon never has a lid.

[32:22] It's not like the White House where they

[32:23] put a lid on and everybody goes home. At

[32:25] the Pentagon, people just kind of drift

[32:27] out at the end of the day. There's

[32:28] always somebody here. And for instance,

[32:30] unlike the White House where they kick

[32:32] the reporters out at a certain hour and

[32:34] tell them to go home. Uh you can stay

[32:36] here at the Pentagon all night. There's

[32:37] always somebody here.

[32:38] >> Now, let me ask the question, let me

[32:40] come at it u in the opposite direction.

[32:42] Do you have any sense that in the next

[32:44] few hours u we are going to be reporting

[32:48] from the Pentagon the beginning of a

[32:50] major operation? Is there any activity

[32:52] there that suggests to you that that's

[32:54] going to happen?

[32:55] >> No. In fact, we've been giving every

[32:57] indication that that's not going to

[32:59] happen, including, as I said, several

[33:01] senior officials who I've reached at

[33:03] home told me essentially they would not

[33:05] be at home if they this was what they

[33:08] called they're calling it a day. The

[33:10] first day of the war, they've tagged as

[33:12] a day. And several officials told me,

[33:14] quote, "This is not a day."

[33:18] Um,

[33:19] so just again Jamie,

[33:24] the sense is that we could be many hours

[33:27] and very possibly a day or more from the

[33:32] beginning of the shock and awe.

[33:34] >> Yeah, it's it's very likely that when

[33:36] that happens, it'll start at night uh in

[33:38] order to take advantage of the the

[33:40] advance the military has at night, the

[33:42] cover that night provides. Uh, and so I

[33:46] would expect that we're at least until

[33:47] the next nightfall before you'd see the

[33:49] beginning of a major major bombing

[33:51] campaign that's supposed to have more

[33:53] than uh 3,000 cruise missiles and

[33:56] precisiong guided bombs raining down on

[33:58] Baghdad uh in to create this shock and

[34:01] awe. But again, if it turned out uh that

[34:04] they had seriously damaged the

[34:05] leadership uh and that something else

[34:07] happened in Iraq, they may want to wait

[34:09] and see what the effect is of this

[34:11] strike.

[34:12] Well, we're going to find out possibly

[34:15] some of the effect of it in a few

[34:17] minutes when Saddam Hussein goes on TV.

[34:19] Though, what we would expect, he'll

[34:21] he'll appear on the TV channel that is

[34:23] owned by one of his sons, Uday Hussein.

[34:28] Um, these speeches tend to be very full

[34:32] of verbiage. Um, certainly he will

[34:34] attempt to rally the country, rally the

[34:37] military. his mere presence is important

[34:40] in how this day plays out in in Iraq.

[34:43] Um, it was just before 10:00 Eastern

[34:47] time that Nick Robertson began

[34:49] reporting. I I guess it was probably

[34:50] closer to 9:30, 9:35 Eastern, Nick

[34:53] Robertson began reporting that there was

[34:55] anti-aircraft fire. Um, some explosions

[34:59] uh that he was able to hear. We have

[35:01] some tape of that now that we're able to

[35:03] look at. Um, if we can if we can put

[35:07] that up.

[35:27] These are the first time that we've seen

[35:29] these pictures.

[35:32] You can see the explosions in the

[35:33] background in the distance.

[35:38] It was just before daybreak

[35:41] in Baghdad. You see the flashes

[35:45] in every earlier picture we had seen out

[35:47] of there. All we had been able to see

[35:50] was the anti-aircraft fire going up, the

[35:52] tracer fire going up to the sky. And so

[35:54] in just a span of 40 seconds is about

[35:57] how long that tape went. We were also

[35:59] able to see, as you look at Baghdad this

[36:02] morning, Thursday morning for them as we

[36:04] approached midnight here in the east, um

[36:06] the first time we were able to see any

[36:09] thing that had come down, any explosions

[36:11] that had come down as Jamie McIntyre has

[36:14] been reporting two cruise missile uh

[36:17] targets, one to the south of Baghdad, an

[36:20] attempt to in the in the jargon of the

[36:23] military decapitate, go after the

[36:25] leadership of Iraq, a target of

[36:27] opportunity.

[36:28] something a decision the president

[36:30] signed off on um early in the evening

[36:33] 6:30ish if I remember John King's

[36:35] reporting 6:30 or so in the evening he

[36:38] gave the go-ahad

[36:40] um after the intelligence uh came in I'm

[36:42] sorry go ahead say that to me again

[36:46] okay thank you uh the president um

[36:49] signed off early this evening went back

[36:51] to the residence talked to his speech

[36:52] writer said it is time to go to work and

[36:55] go to work they did 10:15 Tonight, the

[36:58] president went on national television to

[36:59] tell the country that the opening

[37:01] stages, to use his words, the opening

[37:03] stages of the disarmament of Iraq was

[37:06] underway and made clear that it was

[37:09] simply that, the opening stages of what

[37:11] will be a broad attack that will begin

[37:14] sometime down the road. Christian

[37:16] Amanpor and Wolf Blitz are both in

[37:18] Kuwait City. This will be a central and

[37:21] important place over the next several

[37:23] days.

[37:27] Go ahead, Christian

[37:28] >> Wolf. Um, and Aram, let's talk a little

[37:31] bit about the allies of the United

[37:33] States, Britain and Spain. We have been

[37:35] told and certainly why reports are

[37:37] saying that Prime Minister Tony Blair

[37:40] was awoken or at least informed after

[37:42] midnight British time that these attacks

[37:45] had been brought forward. We're not sure

[37:47] whether this was a surprise to him or

[37:49] not. But what we do know is consistent

[37:51] with what our reporters Jamie McIntyre

[37:53] and others from the Pentagon have been

[37:55] saying. We believe that the British had

[37:57] not expected the full uh initial launch

[38:00] of this war to begin uh right after the

[38:03] deadline. And uh we are not sure when or

[38:06] whether we're going to hear from Tony

[38:07] Blair or indeed people at the British

[38:09] Defense Ministry. So far they have given

[38:11] no statement about what's going on. We

[38:14] understand that in Spain, the prime

[38:16] minister of Spain, Aznar, who is also an

[38:18] ally in this campaign, although has not

[38:19] committed military forces, is also going

[38:22] to address his people. Uh, as we know,

[38:24] of course, today there have been several

[38:26] activities out here in terms of military

[38:28] activities. Uh, US forces and British

[38:31] forces have attacked artillery batteries