CBS News - Pennsylvania primary - 1984-04-10

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[0:01] Tonight's CBS late movie Magnum,

[0:03] followed by Mloud, will begin

[0:05] immediately following a CBS News special

[0:07] report on today's Pennsylvania primary.

[0:28] CBS News coverage of campaign 84

[0:30] continues tonight. The Pennsylvania

[0:32] primary. Reporting from CBS News

[0:35] election headquarters in New York. Here

[0:37] is Dan Rather.

[0:38] >> Good evening. The Fritz Blitz punched

[0:41] out Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson tonight

[0:43] in the Pennsylvania primary. Walter

[0:45] Montdale playing the lead role as

[0:46] Pennsylvania's Rocky Balboa and winning

[0:49] the sequel to his last big win last week

[0:52] in New York. Tonight's prize, the

[0:54] biggest cut of the 172 convention

[0:56] delegates chosen. And Montdale did it by

[0:59] running well even in the big city turf

[1:01] of Jesse Jackson and Gary Hart's own

[1:03] front lawn among the young and the

[1:05] restless in suburbia and running

[1:07] extremely well most everywhere else in

[1:09] Pennsylvania. The numbers from

[1:10] Pennsylvania tell the story. With 69% of

[1:13] the precincts reporting now, the winner,

[1:16] Walter Montdale's lead over second place

[1:18] Gary Hart, is about 46% to 34% with

[1:21] Jesse Jackson running a strong third,

[1:23] but a definite third. Now, there is a

[1:26] separate contest for the 172 delegates

[1:29] at stake today in Pennsylvania. The vote

[1:32] on that, the vote count is going much

[1:34] more slowly, but based on districts from

[1:36] which a significant number of returns

[1:37] have come in, here is how some of the

[1:40] 172 delegates chosen today in

[1:41] Pennsylvania are being uh proportioned.

[1:44] Uh Montdale with an overwhelming lead in

[1:47] the delegates we estimate coming out of

[1:49] Pennsylvania based on the fact that his

[1:52] win in Pennsylvania in the popular vote

[1:55] uh is by such a wide margin. We'll have

[1:57] more about the delegate count a little

[1:59] later on in the broadcast, but anyway

[2:01] you cut it, delegate count or popular

[2:03] vote, another big round for Walter

[2:05] Montdale, another big chill for Gary

[2:07] Hart in this last of the Eastern Frost

[2:10] Belt Industrial States. The last big

[2:12] contest for about a month. Bob Schiffer

[2:14] now has more on a victory that seems to

[2:16] be based on a big win for old alliances

[2:18] over new ideas.

[2:21] Montdale wedged in a trip to Ohio this

[2:23] afternoon, but he hustled back to

[2:24] Philadelphia tonight as the size of his

[2:26] victory was becoming known. He told

[2:28] reporters at the airport that voters who

[2:30] waited until the last minute to make up

[2:32] their minds were the ones who made the

[2:34] difference.

[2:34] >> This was very close a few days ago. I

[2:37] believe we've had our debate. I think

[2:38] the voters of Pennsylvania listened to

[2:40] that debate and decided uh rather

[2:43] heavily to vote for me.

[2:44] >> Our CBS News New York Times voter survey

[2:47] backed up Montdale's analysis. The

[2:49] survey showed that half the people who

[2:51] voted today did not make up their minds

[2:53] until this past week. And the largest

[2:55] block of those who decided late went for

[2:58] Montdale. The economy was the only issue

[3:00] that really mattered in this state where

[3:02] closed steel mills and hard times in the

[3:04] mining industry have left unemployment

[3:06] near double digits. Three4s of the

[3:09] people we questioned said unemployment

[3:11] or helping poor people were the issues

[3:13] that most concern them. And nearly half

[3:15] the people we questioned said either

[3:17] they or someone in their family had been

[3:19] out of work and looking for a job over

[3:22] the past year. Gary Hart's strategist

[3:24] said last week he had to broaden his

[3:26] base beyond the young, upwardly mobile

[3:29] crowd he usually attracts, but he was

[3:31] unable to do so. He still did well among

[3:34] more affluent voters and college

[3:36] graduates, but here they were not as

[3:38] large a segment of the vote as they were

[3:40] in states such as Connecticut, where

[3:41] Hart won. Jackson again got his support

[3:44] almost exclusively from blacks. He

[3:46] attracted only 4% of the white vote.

[3:49] Philadelphia's black mayor Wilson Good

[3:51] endorsed Manddale, but the endorsement

[3:53] apparently had no impact on black

[3:55] voters. Even so, Good insisted he was

[3:58] not surprised.

[3:59] >> I've said all along that I felt that

[4:00] Walter Montdale would win by between

[4:03] five and 10 points. I've also said that

[4:06] I felt that he would receive about 25%

[4:09] of the black vote. Uh there's nothing

[4:10] which I thought uh would happen and did

[4:13] not happen.

[4:14] >> Whatever the case, Jackson is carrying

[4:16] the city of Philadelphia tonight and if

[4:19] he were not in the race, it would be a

[4:21] complete route in Walter Montdale's

[4:23] favor because among the Jackson voters

[4:25] that we questioned, they said that their

[4:28] second choice would be Walter Montdale

[4:29] by almost two to one over Gary Hart.

[4:32] Dan, thank you, Bob. In a moment, we'll

[4:34] be back with the candidates to ask them

[4:36] a perhaps hard question. Where do they

[4:38] go from here?

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[6:05] >> Walter Montdale now has won three of the

[6:07] six largest states holding contest in

[6:09] this election season. By CBS News

[6:12] estimates he has more than half the

[6:13] delegates needed for nomination. At the

[6:16] San Francisco Democratic nominating

[6:17] convention this summer, 1,967

[6:21] votes needed to be nominated. We

[6:23] estimate that from all sources all over

[6:25] the country what's happened thus far.

[6:27] Manddale has passed the 1,00 plateau.

[6:30] This includes uh what we know about what

[6:33] he gathered in Pennsylvania today. Hart

[6:35] 571, Jesse Jackson 146. Montdale with a

[6:39] commanding lead, not necessarily a

[6:41] decisive lead yet, but a commanding lead

[6:44] in the delegate count. Earlier this

[6:45] evening, we asked Mr. Montdale if he

[6:47] didn't think it was time for Gary Hart

[6:49] to withdraw so the party could unite

[6:51] behind Montdale.

[6:53] No, I think that's uh for Gary Hart to

[6:56] decide. By no means is he out of this

[6:59] race. Nearly 50% of the delegates are

[7:02] yet to go. We have several major states.

[7:04] Uh the debate will, I'm sure, carry on.

[7:07] I think that's uh his choice and I

[7:09] assume he's going to continue the fight

[7:11] and it may well go right into uh the

[7:13] convention.

[7:14] >> Have you talked to him about

[7:15] withdrawing? No, I wouldn't do that. And

[7:18] uh I wouldn't I would consider it uh

[7:20] presumptuous on my part. And uh if he uh

[7:23] I would guess that he feels he's still

[7:26] got a good chance here and he'll want to

[7:28] carry on and uh that's his right.

[7:30] >> Don't you now think that you on the road

[7:32] to having enough votes on the first

[7:34] ballot in San Francisco to have this

[7:36] thing tied up before the convention?

[7:38] >> No, I think there's a chance. I would

[7:40] say that after tonight. In other words,

[7:42] this is a very important victory and and

[7:45] I think this now gives me a chance to do

[7:47] it.

[7:48] >> That's a change though. up to between

[7:50] New Hampshire and tonight. You've been

[7:51] saying you thought this thing would go

[7:52] right to the convention floor

[7:53] >> and and it may well, but I think now

[7:56] I've got a chance, just a chance that if

[7:58] I can continue to make this debate as I

[8:01] have and gain the support of the public

[8:03] as I've been doing, uh that I've got a

[8:06] chance now to uh to win this nomination

[8:08] and go into that convention possibly

[8:11] with enough votes to assure nomination.

[8:13] I'm not sure of that, but I think I now

[8:14] have a chance. Um, haven't you already

[8:17] cast yourself as what the president no

[8:19] doubt will call the cutandrun party and

[8:22] he has cast himself as the one who

[8:23] stands up to the Cubans and the Soviets

[8:25] in Central America and elsewhere?

[8:26] >> No. As a matter of fact, I think there's

[8:28] a very strong case that what he has done

[8:30] has strengthened the Cubans and the

[8:33] Soviets far more than would have been

[8:35] the case because he's undermined the

[8:38] moral appeal of our position. When you

[8:41] abandon human rights, when you look the

[8:44] other way, when these death squads are

[8:45] occurring, that strengthens our enemies.

[8:48] I just don't think there's any question

[8:49] about it. They really don't know what

[8:51] they're doing down there.

[8:53] >> In spite of a downbeat day at the polls

[8:55] in Pennsylvania, Gary Hart seemed upbeat

[8:58] in Denver tonight as he looked to the

[9:00] future.

[9:01] >> Uh, Senator, good evening. Thanks for

[9:02] being with us. Walter Montdale told us

[9:04] tonight he now feels that he has a

[9:06] chance a chance to wrap up the

[9:08] nomination before the convention opens.

[9:10] What do you think?

[9:11] >> I don't believe so. Uh I think this as

[9:14] as each of us has described it in the

[9:16] past a marathon. It'll go all the way. I

[9:18] believe that I will have a majority of

[9:20] the delegates going into the convention,

[9:22] but that may not be apparent even by

[9:24] early June. We'll wait and see.

[9:26] >> Well, have you given any thought to

[9:28] getting out and trying to unite the

[9:29] party behind Walter Montdale?

[9:31] >> No, no, no, of course not. Uh, in fact,

[9:33] the calendar in the second half of this

[9:34] nomination race uh is very very

[9:36] favorable towards my candidacy. We move

[9:38] into my part of the country. We we move

[9:40] west, we move southwest, we move south.

[9:43] The hardest states for us have been the

[9:44] industrial northeastern states where Mr.

[9:47] Montdale's labor strength and his uh

[9:50] ties with the political establishment

[9:51] clearly gave him a great boost.

[9:54] >> Does this loss in Pennsylvania

[9:56] drastically uh hurt your ability to

[9:57] raise money?

[9:58] >> No, not at all. We've had extremely good

[10:01] success uh throughout the ra the last

[10:04] three or four weeks in direct mail and

[10:06] direct solicitation and in fact our

[10:08] fundraisers feel very very positive

[10:10] about our ability to finance this

[10:12] campaign as we move along. As you know,

[10:14] Mr. Montdale's campaign is now being

[10:15] financed almost exclusively by political

[10:18] action committee funds through

[10:19] independent committees. And I think the

[10:21] differences in the in the style of of

[10:23] financing will become an issue as we

[10:25] move along. Also, we have just come

[10:27] through the worst part of this race for

[10:29] this campaign. We started out very fast

[10:31] in the early primaries and caucuses. We

[10:33] won 15 of those primaries and caucuses

[10:35] to date and um I am the principal

[10:38] contender to Mr. Manddale. He's now had

[10:41] his best states and our best states

[10:43] remain aheaded for us. So, we're very

[10:45] upbeat about this race.

[10:47] >> Thank you very much, Senator Hart.

[10:48] >> Thank you, Mr. Rather. We'll hear from

[10:50] Jesse Jackson about his plans after a

[10:52] bit. With images of the candidates

[10:54] changing as the campaign rolls along,

[10:56] Bruce Morton looks at what the campaign

[10:58] managers have in mind as their

[11:00] candidates seek some breathing room.

[11:02] Bruce.

[11:03] >> Dan. The images voters have of the

[11:05] candidates have already changed a lot.

[11:07] Now the campaigns have some time to draw

[11:09] breaths and think about what other

[11:11] changes they want to make. We asked some

[11:13] of the campaign handlers what they

[11:15] wanted to do now that the one a week

[11:16] grind is over. Here's what they said.

[11:19] First item in the Montdale camp, rest

[11:21] the candidate. Hasn't had a day off,

[11:23] they said, since New Hampshire. Lots of

[11:25] 15-hour days lately. Rest the candidate.

[11:28] Second, raise the amount of money

[11:30] they're allowed to raise under the

[11:31] spending limit with wins in New York and

[11:33] Pennsylvania. That'll be easy. Third,

[11:35] give Montdale's campaign some beef, some

[11:38] genuine positions. Working women have

[11:40] tended to be for heart. In Pennsylvania,

[11:42] Montdale came out strongly in favor of

[11:44] comparable pay for comparable work, a

[11:46] woman's issue. More to follow. Then woo

[11:49] uncommitted delegates and start planning

[11:51] strategy for a convention that for once

[11:53] may be a cat fight and not a coronation.

[11:56] Hart first again rest the candidate but

[11:59] that fights with item two raise money.

[12:01] They have Hart down for a heavy

[12:03] fundraising schedule. Rest may have to

[12:05] wait. Three have the big meeting. You

[12:08] have those when things go badly. They'll

[12:10] talk about wither the campaign. Some

[12:12] disagreements. Some want the campaign

[12:14] simply to keep emphasizing new ideas,

[12:16] new leadership. Others think the

[12:18] candidate and the ad should spell out

[12:20] some of those ideas. Some want to keep

[12:22] attacking Montdale. Others don't. Those

[12:24] kinds of issues will have to be

[12:25] resolved.

[12:28] For Jesse Jackson, first, second, and

[12:30] third find the rainbow. Jackson ought to

[12:32] have some liberal whites in his corner,

[12:34] those who want to cut defense spending,

[12:36] increase social spending. Has an

[12:38] anti-Jewish remark by Jackson and

[12:40] divisive talk by a supporter driven them

[12:42] away? If so, how does the campaign get

[12:44] them back? Second, figure out what to

[12:46] bargain for at the convention and

[12:48] whether to deal or to present a list of

[12:51] non-negotiable demands. For all of them,

[12:54] there's a month's worth of work there.

[12:55] Dan Bruce, the candidates will need all

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[15:37] Phase one of the primary and caucus

[15:39] season coming to an end, a pause, and

[15:41] then it takes up again in about 3 weeks.

[15:43] With me here in our studio to talk about

[15:46] where it's been and where it may be

[15:47] going is my colleague and friend Bill

[15:49] Moyers. Bill, what do these Democratic

[15:51] candidates have to do? What should they

[15:52] be doing over the next 3 weeks until the

[15:56] next big primary and caucus day?

[15:58] >> Well, first, none of them can take

[16:00] anything for granted. And that includes

[16:01] Walter Manddale. Uh he's not Mr.

[16:04] Inevitable, although he's uh he's uh Mr.

[16:07] Front Runner as much as he might dislike

[16:09] that that title. In fact, Mandelle is

[16:12] not in as good a shape as he hoped to be

[16:14] two months ago. He hoped to be resting

[16:16] right now and planning the strategy

[16:17] against Ronald Reagan. He's still having

[16:19] to scrap for this nomination. And it's

[16:21] going to be a scrap right down, I think,

[16:22] to to the convention. His job is to keep

[16:25] the momentum. He's got it back. It's not

[16:27] as big a momentum as he would have had

[16:29] if Hart hadn't come along in such fine

[16:31] fiddle. He's got to keep the momentum.

[16:33] He's got to keep on keeping on. And

[16:35] that's a little easier than Hart's

[16:36] problem. Hart has to find a message.

[16:40] Last week in New York, he exaggerated

[16:43] his differences with Mandelle and lost.

[16:45] In Philadelphia this week, Pennsylvania

[16:47] this week with Mandelle, he narrated his

[16:49] differences and he lost. It isn't any

[16:52] longer good enough to run against

[16:53] wrinkles and and and four new ideas.

[16:55] He's got he's got to find a message that

[16:58] will tell people he truly is different

[17:00] from Montdale and has a personality and

[17:03] a program that's better than than either

[17:05] Manddale or Reagan. Jesse Jackson has

[17:07] still a slightly different uh challenge.

[17:10] He's got to define his mission. He's not

[17:12] going to get the nomination. He's

[17:14] translated black pride into black power.

[17:17] Now the test is whether he can translate

[17:19] black power into the kind of politics

[17:21] that enables him to achieve at the San

[17:24] Francisco Convention. what he and his

[17:26] voters want him to do.

[17:27] >> Well, Bill, these things we get so

[17:29] wrapped up in as reporters, but even for

[17:32] us try to follow it every day. These

[17:34] things frequently get about as

[17:35] complicated as a wiring diagram for a

[17:37] generator plant. But in the overview,

[17:40] let me ask the question that I asked

[17:42] right after the New York primary. Isn't

[17:44] the big winner out of Pennsylvania,

[17:46] Ronald Reagan? The Democrats again cut

[17:48] each other up, spread the votes out.

[17:51] Seems to me that Ronald Reagan may be

[17:52] the big winner. Yes, but what something

[17:54] else has happened in the meantime. This

[17:56] debate on foreign policy has has has has

[17:59] brought uh some hardship to Ronald

[18:02] Reagan in in in War. He's not the

[18:04] commanding leader tonight that he was uh

[18:07] a week or 10 days ago. Even his rep the

[18:09] Republicans in the Senate, Barry

[18:10] Gowwater for example, are giving him a

[18:12] hard time on foreign policy. That just

[18:14] suggests that no matter what happens in

[18:16] this Democratic primary caucus fight and

[18:19] the race to San Francisco in the

[18:21] convention, any number of unforeseen

[18:23] contingencies can upset the apple cart

[18:25] after after San Francisco. So any one of

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[18:29] that down the road. Let me get that

[18:31] nomination and then events will help me

[18:32] get Ronald Reagan." And

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[20:47] April 11th or 12th.

[20:49] >> Attend the Channel 5 Health Fair.

[20:52] Standing by tonight in Philadelphia,

[20:54] where he ran very well indeed, the

[20:56] Reverend Jesse Jackson, who once again

[20:58] captured by far and away the imagination

[21:00] and the votes of the ma vast majority of

[21:03] urban blacks, but outside of that, very

[21:06] little. Good evening, Reverend Jackson.

[21:07] Again, thank you for being with us. How

[21:09] much do you want to beat Ronald Reagan?

[21:11] >> Well, I want to beat him want to beat

[21:12] him very badly. I'm convinced that we

[21:14] must represent uh an alternative to

[21:17] Reagan. We must expand our party, and

[21:19] that's the key to victory. Well, is the

[21:21] runoff primary, which in some states

[21:23] historically has favored white

[21:24] candidates, is the runoff primary more

[21:26] important than four more years of Ronald

[21:28] Reagan?

[21:29] >> Well, in the one sense, the end second

[21:31] primaries is the key to ending Ronald

[21:33] Reagan. For if we expand the party and

[21:35] make room for blacks, for Hispanics, for

[21:37] women, and for young people, we will

[21:39] change the face of the US Congress. And

[21:41] much of what has been proposed by Reagan

[21:43] can be abolished. Even if Reagan were to

[21:46] win again, if we were to in fact have

[21:47] equity in the Congress, we would have

[21:50] enough strength there to protect the

[21:51] interest of the poor and the locked out.

[21:53] >> Well, is changing the delegate selection

[21:55] rules, is that more important than

[21:57] beating Ronald Reagan?

[21:58] >> Well, it is not. But I do not know why

[22:00] we must have such a trade-off. The fact

[22:02] of the matter is we need to have

[22:03] delegate selection rules that

[22:05] infranchise all the members of the

[22:07] Democratic party. We should not have to

[22:09] choose between democracy within our

[22:12] party on the one hand and our

[22:13] confronting Reagan on the other. We

[22:15] really can do both. And I would hope

[22:16] that Hart and Mandelle and I will be

[22:18] able to meet uh with our staffs before

[22:20] the convention and resolve some of these

[22:22] matters and not have a showdown in San

[22:24] Francisco.

[22:25] >> Well, this is the point I was trying to

[22:26] get to with that sequence of questions.

[22:28] Realistically, can Jesse Jackson really

[22:30] refuse to support Walter Montdale or

[22:33] Gary Hart against Ronald Reagan? Well, I

[22:36] think realistically we must engage in in

[22:38] mutually respectful negotiations. We

[22:40] must be heard this time around. And I do

[22:43] not think that we can just act as if

[22:45] Reagan is the sole problem. After all,

[22:48] the the the the use of gerrymandering,

[22:50] annexation, at large schemes and and uh

[22:52] and second primaries to deny blacks

[22:55] their share participation in our

[22:56] democracy is coming often times at the

[22:58] hand of of Democrats. We must fight

[23:00] Democrats on the one hand to do right

[23:03] about the locked out and then use our

[23:05] collective strength to fight

[23:06] Republicans. We cannot just act as if I

[23:08] promise solely with Ronald Reagan

[23:10] because that's not true.

[23:12] >> But again, and we have only a few

[23:13] seconds left. Can you under any

[23:15] circumstances afford not to support

[23:17] Mandela Hart against Reagan?

[23:19] >> Well, the flip side of the question is

[23:20] can Mandela Hart under any circumstances

[23:22] ignore the legitimate quest to enforce

[23:24] the Voting Rights Act? After all, the

[23:26] next president would take an oath that

[23:28] would say, "I will uphold the law." The

[23:30] Voting Rights Act of 1965 is the law.

[23:33] Mr. Manddale, by equivocating, is

[23:35] dragging out a matter that should not

[23:36] even be up for discussion. Enforce the

[23:38] law and therefore satisfy a very

[23:42] legitimate request that I am making.

[23:44] Thank you very much, Reverend Jackson,

[23:45] and congratulations on that strong

[23:46] showing in Philadelphia.

[23:48] >> Thank you very much.

[23:49] >> A final look at tonight's big win for

[23:51] Walter Montdale overall in Pennsylvania.

[23:53] Halfway through the primary season with

[23:54] more than half the delegates now chosen.

[23:56] Walter Montdale tonight battling at

[23:58] least a thousand delegates in this

[24:02] election 1984 convention delegate quest.

[24:04] That is he's batting better than a

[24:06] thousand in which the magic winning

[24:08] number at the Democratic convention in

[24:10] San Francisco will be 1,967.

[24:13] And the Mando magic was in evidence

[24:15] tonight winning by the numbers and by

[24:17] stressing some old ideas popular with

[24:20] the old Democratic coalition. Here's how

[24:22] it worked in Pennsylvania. With 71% of

[24:24] the precincts reporting, the winner

[24:26] Walter Montdale's winning percentage is

[24:28] now running on the order of 46 to 34%

[24:31] over Hart with Jackson getting 20%. This

[24:33] is with 71% of the precincts from the

[24:36] whole state reporting. Now, of the 172

[24:38] delegates at stake today in

[24:39] Pennsylvania, keeping in mind that the

[24:41] delegate race there was something

[24:43] separate from the popular vote and the

[24:45] returns from it are coming in very

[24:46] slowly. Uh here is how some of the

[24:49] delegates decided thus far. we believe

[24:51] have been a portion to Montdale 88 heart

[24:54] 15 Jackson 2. And so tonight, the end of

[24:58] the Eastern Industrial Frost Belt phase

[25:00] of the primary season, the end of phase

[25:02] one of the quest for the nomination. A

[25:04] quest that now moves beyond winning

[25:06] beauty contests to winning for what's

[25:09] the only hard currency that counts,

[25:11] delegates to the San Francisco

[25:12] Convention. For the next month or so,

[25:14] Walter Montdale, Gary Hart, and Jesse

[25:16] Jackson get a break in the action and a

[25:19] muchneeded chance to reflect on where

[25:21] they've gone right and where they've

[25:22] gone wrong. And perhaps more important,

[25:24] a chance for the rest of us to think

[25:26] about that, too. For CBS News, Dan

[25:28] Rather at CBS News election headquarters

[25:30] in New York. Good night.

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