CBS News - Pennsylvania primary - 1984-04-10
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[0:01] Tonight's CBS late movie Magnum,
[0:03] followed by Mloud, will begin
[0:05] immediately following a CBS News special
[0:07] report on today's Pennsylvania primary.
[0:28] CBS News coverage of campaign 84
[0:30] continues tonight. The Pennsylvania
[0:32] primary. Reporting from CBS News
[0:35] election headquarters in New York. Here
[0:37] is Dan Rather.
[0:38] >> Good evening. The Fritz Blitz punched
[0:41] out Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson tonight
[0:43] in the Pennsylvania primary. Walter
[0:45] Montdale playing the lead role as
[0:46] Pennsylvania's Rocky Balboa and winning
[0:49] the sequel to his last big win last week
[0:52] in New York. Tonight's prize, the
[0:54] biggest cut of the 172 convention
[0:56] delegates chosen. And Montdale did it by
[0:59] running well even in the big city turf
[1:01] of Jesse Jackson and Gary Hart's own
[1:03] front lawn among the young and the
[1:05] restless in suburbia and running
[1:07] extremely well most everywhere else in
[1:09] Pennsylvania. The numbers from
[1:10] Pennsylvania tell the story. With 69% of
[1:13] the precincts reporting now, the winner,
[1:16] Walter Montdale's lead over second place
[1:18] Gary Hart, is about 46% to 34% with
[1:21] Jesse Jackson running a strong third,
[1:23] but a definite third. Now, there is a
[1:26] separate contest for the 172 delegates
[1:29] at stake today in Pennsylvania. The vote
[1:32] on that, the vote count is going much
[1:34] more slowly, but based on districts from
[1:36] which a significant number of returns
[1:37] have come in, here is how some of the
[1:40] 172 delegates chosen today in
[1:41] Pennsylvania are being uh proportioned.
[1:44] Uh Montdale with an overwhelming lead in
[1:47] the delegates we estimate coming out of
[1:49] Pennsylvania based on the fact that his
[1:52] win in Pennsylvania in the popular vote
[1:55] uh is by such a wide margin. We'll have
[1:57] more about the delegate count a little
[1:59] later on in the broadcast, but anyway
[2:01] you cut it, delegate count or popular
[2:03] vote, another big round for Walter
[2:05] Montdale, another big chill for Gary
[2:07] Hart in this last of the Eastern Frost
[2:10] Belt Industrial States. The last big
[2:12] contest for about a month. Bob Schiffer
[2:14] now has more on a victory that seems to
[2:16] be based on a big win for old alliances
[2:18] over new ideas.
[2:21] Montdale wedged in a trip to Ohio this
[2:23] afternoon, but he hustled back to
[2:24] Philadelphia tonight as the size of his
[2:26] victory was becoming known. He told
[2:28] reporters at the airport that voters who
[2:30] waited until the last minute to make up
[2:32] their minds were the ones who made the
[2:34] difference.
[2:34] >> This was very close a few days ago. I
[2:37] believe we've had our debate. I think
[2:38] the voters of Pennsylvania listened to
[2:40] that debate and decided uh rather
[2:43] heavily to vote for me.
[2:44] >> Our CBS News New York Times voter survey
[2:47] backed up Montdale's analysis. The
[2:49] survey showed that half the people who
[2:51] voted today did not make up their minds
[2:53] until this past week. And the largest
[2:55] block of those who decided late went for
[2:58] Montdale. The economy was the only issue
[3:00] that really mattered in this state where
[3:02] closed steel mills and hard times in the
[3:04] mining industry have left unemployment
[3:06] near double digits. Three4s of the
[3:09] people we questioned said unemployment
[3:11] or helping poor people were the issues
[3:13] that most concern them. And nearly half
[3:15] the people we questioned said either
[3:17] they or someone in their family had been
[3:19] out of work and looking for a job over
[3:22] the past year. Gary Hart's strategist
[3:24] said last week he had to broaden his
[3:26] base beyond the young, upwardly mobile
[3:29] crowd he usually attracts, but he was
[3:31] unable to do so. He still did well among
[3:34] more affluent voters and college
[3:36] graduates, but here they were not as
[3:38] large a segment of the vote as they were
[3:40] in states such as Connecticut, where
[3:41] Hart won. Jackson again got his support
[3:44] almost exclusively from blacks. He
[3:46] attracted only 4% of the white vote.
[3:49] Philadelphia's black mayor Wilson Good
[3:51] endorsed Manddale, but the endorsement
[3:53] apparently had no impact on black
[3:55] voters. Even so, Good insisted he was
[3:58] not surprised.
[3:59] >> I've said all along that I felt that
[4:00] Walter Montdale would win by between
[4:03] five and 10 points. I've also said that
[4:06] I felt that he would receive about 25%
[4:09] of the black vote. Uh there's nothing
[4:10] which I thought uh would happen and did
[4:13] not happen.
[4:14] >> Whatever the case, Jackson is carrying
[4:16] the city of Philadelphia tonight and if
[4:19] he were not in the race, it would be a
[4:21] complete route in Walter Montdale's
[4:23] favor because among the Jackson voters
[4:25] that we questioned, they said that their
[4:28] second choice would be Walter Montdale
[4:29] by almost two to one over Gary Hart.
[4:32] Dan, thank you, Bob. In a moment, we'll
[4:34] be back with the candidates to ask them
[4:36] a perhaps hard question. Where do they
[4:38] go from here?
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[6:05] >> Walter Montdale now has won three of the
[6:07] six largest states holding contest in
[6:09] this election season. By CBS News
[6:12] estimates he has more than half the
[6:13] delegates needed for nomination. At the
[6:16] San Francisco Democratic nominating
[6:17] convention this summer, 1,967
[6:21] votes needed to be nominated. We
[6:23] estimate that from all sources all over
[6:25] the country what's happened thus far.
[6:27] Manddale has passed the 1,00 plateau.
[6:30] This includes uh what we know about what
[6:33] he gathered in Pennsylvania today. Hart
[6:35] 571, Jesse Jackson 146. Montdale with a
[6:39] commanding lead, not necessarily a
[6:41] decisive lead yet, but a commanding lead
[6:44] in the delegate count. Earlier this
[6:45] evening, we asked Mr. Montdale if he
[6:47] didn't think it was time for Gary Hart
[6:49] to withdraw so the party could unite
[6:51] behind Montdale.
[6:53] No, I think that's uh for Gary Hart to
[6:56] decide. By no means is he out of this
[6:59] race. Nearly 50% of the delegates are
[7:02] yet to go. We have several major states.
[7:04] Uh the debate will, I'm sure, carry on.
[7:07] I think that's uh his choice and I
[7:09] assume he's going to continue the fight
[7:11] and it may well go right into uh the
[7:13] convention.
[7:14] >> Have you talked to him about
[7:15] withdrawing? No, I wouldn't do that. And
[7:18] uh I wouldn't I would consider it uh
[7:20] presumptuous on my part. And uh if he uh
[7:23] I would guess that he feels he's still
[7:26] got a good chance here and he'll want to
[7:28] carry on and uh that's his right.
[7:30] >> Don't you now think that you on the road
[7:32] to having enough votes on the first
[7:34] ballot in San Francisco to have this
[7:36] thing tied up before the convention?
[7:38] >> No, I think there's a chance. I would
[7:40] say that after tonight. In other words,
[7:42] this is a very important victory and and
[7:45] I think this now gives me a chance to do
[7:47] it.
[7:48] >> That's a change though. up to between
[7:50] New Hampshire and tonight. You've been
[7:51] saying you thought this thing would go
[7:52] right to the convention floor
[7:53] >> and and it may well, but I think now
[7:56] I've got a chance, just a chance that if
[7:58] I can continue to make this debate as I
[8:01] have and gain the support of the public
[8:03] as I've been doing, uh that I've got a
[8:06] chance now to uh to win this nomination
[8:08] and go into that convention possibly
[8:11] with enough votes to assure nomination.
[8:13] I'm not sure of that, but I think I now
[8:14] have a chance. Um, haven't you already
[8:17] cast yourself as what the president no
[8:19] doubt will call the cutandrun party and
[8:22] he has cast himself as the one who
[8:23] stands up to the Cubans and the Soviets
[8:25] in Central America and elsewhere?
[8:26] >> No. As a matter of fact, I think there's
[8:28] a very strong case that what he has done
[8:30] has strengthened the Cubans and the
[8:33] Soviets far more than would have been
[8:35] the case because he's undermined the
[8:38] moral appeal of our position. When you
[8:41] abandon human rights, when you look the
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[8:45] occurring, that strengthens our enemies.
[8:48] I just don't think there's any question
[8:49] about it. They really don't know what
[8:51] they're doing down there.
[8:53] >> In spite of a downbeat day at the polls
[8:55] in Pennsylvania, Gary Hart seemed upbeat
[8:58] in Denver tonight as he looked to the
[9:00] future.
[9:01] >> Uh, Senator, good evening. Thanks for
[9:02] being with us. Walter Montdale told us
[9:04] tonight he now feels that he has a
[9:06] chance a chance to wrap up the
[9:08] nomination before the convention opens.
[9:10] What do you think?
[9:11] >> I don't believe so. Uh I think this as
[9:14] as each of us has described it in the
[9:16] past a marathon. It'll go all the way. I
[9:18] believe that I will have a majority of
[9:20] the delegates going into the convention,
[9:22] but that may not be apparent even by
[9:24] early June. We'll wait and see.
[9:26] >> Well, have you given any thought to
[9:28] getting out and trying to unite the
[9:29] party behind Walter Montdale?
[9:31] >> No, no, no, of course not. Uh, in fact,
[9:33] the calendar in the second half of this
[9:34] nomination race uh is very very
[9:36] favorable towards my candidacy. We move
[9:38] into my part of the country. We we move
[9:40] west, we move southwest, we move south.
[9:43] The hardest states for us have been the
[9:44] industrial northeastern states where Mr.
[9:47] Montdale's labor strength and his uh
[9:50] ties with the political establishment
[9:51] clearly gave him a great boost.
[9:54] >> Does this loss in Pennsylvania
[9:56] drastically uh hurt your ability to
[9:57] raise money?
[9:58] >> No, not at all. We've had extremely good
[10:01] success uh throughout the ra the last
[10:04] three or four weeks in direct mail and
[10:06] direct solicitation and in fact our
[10:08] fundraisers feel very very positive
[10:10] about our ability to finance this
[10:12] campaign as we move along. As you know,
[10:14] Mr. Montdale's campaign is now being
[10:15] financed almost exclusively by political
[10:18] action committee funds through
[10:19] independent committees. And I think the
[10:21] differences in the in the style of of
[10:23] financing will become an issue as we
[10:25] move along. Also, we have just come
[10:27] through the worst part of this race for
[10:29] this campaign. We started out very fast
[10:31] in the early primaries and caucuses. We
[10:33] won 15 of those primaries and caucuses
[10:35] to date and um I am the principal
[10:38] contender to Mr. Manddale. He's now had
[10:41] his best states and our best states
[10:43] remain aheaded for us. So, we're very
[10:45] upbeat about this race.
[10:47] >> Thank you very much, Senator Hart.
[10:48] >> Thank you, Mr. Rather. We'll hear from
[10:50] Jesse Jackson about his plans after a
[10:52] bit. With images of the candidates
[10:54] changing as the campaign rolls along,
[10:56] Bruce Morton looks at what the campaign
[10:58] managers have in mind as their
[11:00] candidates seek some breathing room.
[11:02] Bruce.
[11:03] >> Dan. The images voters have of the
[11:05] candidates have already changed a lot.
[11:07] Now the campaigns have some time to draw
[11:09] breaths and think about what other
[11:11] changes they want to make. We asked some
[11:13] of the campaign handlers what they
[11:15] wanted to do now that the one a week
[11:16] grind is over. Here's what they said.
[11:19] First item in the Montdale camp, rest
[11:21] the candidate. Hasn't had a day off,
[11:23] they said, since New Hampshire. Lots of
[11:25] 15-hour days lately. Rest the candidate.
[11:28] Second, raise the amount of money
[11:30] they're allowed to raise under the
[11:31] spending limit with wins in New York and
[11:33] Pennsylvania. That'll be easy. Third,
[11:35] give Montdale's campaign some beef, some
[11:38] genuine positions. Working women have
[11:40] tended to be for heart. In Pennsylvania,
[11:42] Montdale came out strongly in favor of
[11:44] comparable pay for comparable work, a
[11:46] woman's issue. More to follow. Then woo
[11:49] uncommitted delegates and start planning
[11:51] strategy for a convention that for once
[11:53] may be a cat fight and not a coronation.
[11:56] Hart first again rest the candidate but
[11:59] that fights with item two raise money.
[12:01] They have Hart down for a heavy
[12:03] fundraising schedule. Rest may have to
[12:05] wait. Three have the big meeting. You
[12:08] have those when things go badly. They'll
[12:10] talk about wither the campaign. Some
[12:12] disagreements. Some want the campaign
[12:14] simply to keep emphasizing new ideas,
[12:16] new leadership. Others think the
[12:18] candidate and the ad should spell out
[12:20] some of those ideas. Some want to keep
[12:22] attacking Montdale. Others don't. Those
[12:24] kinds of issues will have to be
[12:25] resolved.
[12:28] For Jesse Jackson, first, second, and
[12:30] third find the rainbow. Jackson ought to
[12:32] have some liberal whites in his corner,
[12:34] those who want to cut defense spending,
[12:36] increase social spending. Has an
[12:38] anti-Jewish remark by Jackson and
[12:40] divisive talk by a supporter driven them
[12:42] away? If so, how does the campaign get
[12:44] them back? Second, figure out what to
[12:46] bargain for at the convention and
[12:48] whether to deal or to present a list of
[12:51] non-negotiable demands. For all of them,
[12:54] there's a month's worth of work there.
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[15:37] Phase one of the primary and caucus
[15:39] season coming to an end, a pause, and
[15:41] then it takes up again in about 3 weeks.
[15:43] With me here in our studio to talk about
[15:46] where it's been and where it may be
[15:47] going is my colleague and friend Bill
[15:49] Moyers. Bill, what do these Democratic
[15:51] candidates have to do? What should they
[15:52] be doing over the next 3 weeks until the
[15:56] next big primary and caucus day?
[15:58] >> Well, first, none of them can take
[16:00] anything for granted. And that includes
[16:01] Walter Manddale. Uh he's not Mr.
[16:04] Inevitable, although he's uh he's uh Mr.
[16:07] Front Runner as much as he might dislike
[16:09] that that title. In fact, Mandelle is
[16:12] not in as good a shape as he hoped to be
[16:14] two months ago. He hoped to be resting
[16:16] right now and planning the strategy
[16:17] against Ronald Reagan. He's still having
[16:19] to scrap for this nomination. And it's
[16:21] going to be a scrap right down, I think,
[16:22] to to the convention. His job is to keep
[16:25] the momentum. He's got it back. It's not
[16:27] as big a momentum as he would have had
[16:29] if Hart hadn't come along in such fine
[16:31] fiddle. He's got to keep the momentum.
[16:33] He's got to keep on keeping on. And
[16:35] that's a little easier than Hart's
[16:36] problem. Hart has to find a message.
[16:40] Last week in New York, he exaggerated
[16:43] his differences with Mandelle and lost.
[16:45] In Philadelphia this week, Pennsylvania
[16:47] this week with Mandelle, he narrated his
[16:49] differences and he lost. It isn't any
[16:52] longer good enough to run against
[16:53] wrinkles and and and four new ideas.
[16:55] He's got he's got to find a message that
[16:58] will tell people he truly is different
[17:00] from Montdale and has a personality and
[17:03] a program that's better than than either
[17:05] Manddale or Reagan. Jesse Jackson has
[17:07] still a slightly different uh challenge.
[17:10] He's got to define his mission. He's not
[17:12] going to get the nomination. He's
[17:14] translated black pride into black power.
[17:17] Now the test is whether he can translate
[17:19] black power into the kind of politics
[17:21] that enables him to achieve at the San
[17:24] Francisco Convention. what he and his
[17:26] voters want him to do.
[17:27] >> Well, Bill, these things we get so
[17:29] wrapped up in as reporters, but even for
[17:32] us try to follow it every day. These
[17:34] things frequently get about as
[17:35] complicated as a wiring diagram for a
[17:37] generator plant. But in the overview,
[17:40] let me ask the question that I asked
[17:42] right after the New York primary. Isn't
[17:44] the big winner out of Pennsylvania,
[17:46] Ronald Reagan? The Democrats again cut
[17:48] each other up, spread the votes out.
[17:51] Seems to me that Ronald Reagan may be
[17:52] the big winner. Yes, but what something
[17:54] else has happened in the meantime. This
[17:56] debate on foreign policy has has has has
[17:59] brought uh some hardship to Ronald
[18:02] Reagan in in in War. He's not the
[18:04] commanding leader tonight that he was uh
[18:07] a week or 10 days ago. Even his rep the
[18:09] Republicans in the Senate, Barry
[18:10] Gowwater for example, are giving him a
[18:12] hard time on foreign policy. That just
[18:14] suggests that no matter what happens in
[18:16] this Democratic primary caucus fight and
[18:19] the race to San Francisco in the
[18:21] convention, any number of unforeseen
[18:23] contingencies can upset the apple cart
[18:25] after after San Francisco. So any one of
[18:27] these Democrats says, "I'll worry about
[18:29] that down the road. Let me get that
[18:31] nomination and then events will help me
[18:32] get Ronald Reagan." And
[18:33] >> we remind ourselves, as we keep
[18:35] reminding everybody else, still a long
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[20:35] the Channel 5 Public Health Fair at the
[20:37] Lent Center on April 11th and April
[20:39] 12th. The times are 8:30 a.m. to 4:00
[20:42] p.m. These screenings cost little or no
[20:45] money. Hope to see you at Lent Center
[20:47] April 11th or 12th.
[20:49] >> Attend the Channel 5 Health Fair.
[20:52] Standing by tonight in Philadelphia,
[20:54] where he ran very well indeed, the
[20:56] Reverend Jesse Jackson, who once again
[20:58] captured by far and away the imagination
[21:00] and the votes of the ma vast majority of
[21:03] urban blacks, but outside of that, very
[21:06] little. Good evening, Reverend Jackson.
[21:07] Again, thank you for being with us. How
[21:09] much do you want to beat Ronald Reagan?
[21:11] >> Well, I want to beat him want to beat
[21:12] him very badly. I'm convinced that we
[21:14] must represent uh an alternative to
[21:17] Reagan. We must expand our party, and
[21:19] that's the key to victory. Well, is the
[21:21] runoff primary, which in some states
[21:23] historically has favored white
[21:24] candidates, is the runoff primary more
[21:26] important than four more years of Ronald
[21:28] Reagan?
[21:29] >> Well, in the one sense, the end second
[21:31] primaries is the key to ending Ronald
[21:33] Reagan. For if we expand the party and
[21:35] make room for blacks, for Hispanics, for
[21:37] women, and for young people, we will
[21:39] change the face of the US Congress. And
[21:41] much of what has been proposed by Reagan
[21:43] can be abolished. Even if Reagan were to
[21:46] win again, if we were to in fact have
[21:47] equity in the Congress, we would have
[21:50] enough strength there to protect the
[21:51] interest of the poor and the locked out.
[21:53] >> Well, is changing the delegate selection
[21:55] rules, is that more important than
[21:57] beating Ronald Reagan?
[21:58] >> Well, it is not. But I do not know why
[22:00] we must have such a trade-off. The fact
[22:02] of the matter is we need to have
[22:03] delegate selection rules that
[22:05] infranchise all the members of the
[22:07] Democratic party. We should not have to
[22:09] choose between democracy within our
[22:12] party on the one hand and our
[22:13] confronting Reagan on the other. We
[22:15] really can do both. And I would hope
[22:16] that Hart and Mandelle and I will be
[22:18] able to meet uh with our staffs before
[22:20] the convention and resolve some of these
[22:22] matters and not have a showdown in San
[22:24] Francisco.
[22:25] >> Well, this is the point I was trying to
[22:26] get to with that sequence of questions.
[22:28] Realistically, can Jesse Jackson really
[22:30] refuse to support Walter Montdale or
[22:33] Gary Hart against Ronald Reagan? Well, I
[22:36] think realistically we must engage in in
[22:38] mutually respectful negotiations. We
[22:40] must be heard this time around. And I do
[22:43] not think that we can just act as if
[22:45] Reagan is the sole problem. After all,
[22:48] the the the the use of gerrymandering,
[22:50] annexation, at large schemes and and uh
[22:52] and second primaries to deny blacks
[22:55] their share participation in our
[22:56] democracy is coming often times at the
[22:58] hand of of Democrats. We must fight
[23:00] Democrats on the one hand to do right
[23:03] about the locked out and then use our
[23:05] collective strength to fight
[23:06] Republicans. We cannot just act as if I
[23:08] promise solely with Ronald Reagan
[23:10] because that's not true.
[23:12] >> But again, and we have only a few
[23:13] seconds left. Can you under any
[23:15] circumstances afford not to support
[23:17] Mandela Hart against Reagan?
[23:19] >> Well, the flip side of the question is
[23:20] can Mandela Hart under any circumstances
[23:22] ignore the legitimate quest to enforce
[23:24] the Voting Rights Act? After all, the
[23:26] next president would take an oath that
[23:28] would say, "I will uphold the law." The
[23:30] Voting Rights Act of 1965 is the law.
[23:33] Mr. Manddale, by equivocating, is
[23:35] dragging out a matter that should not
[23:36] even be up for discussion. Enforce the
[23:38] law and therefore satisfy a very
[23:42] legitimate request that I am making.
[23:44] Thank you very much, Reverend Jackson,
[23:45] and congratulations on that strong
[23:46] showing in Philadelphia.
[23:48] >> Thank you very much.
[23:49] >> A final look at tonight's big win for
[23:51] Walter Montdale overall in Pennsylvania.
[23:53] Halfway through the primary season with
[23:54] more than half the delegates now chosen.
[23:56] Walter Montdale tonight battling at
[23:58] least a thousand delegates in this
[24:02] election 1984 convention delegate quest.
[24:04] That is he's batting better than a
[24:06] thousand in which the magic winning
[24:08] number at the Democratic convention in
[24:10] San Francisco will be 1,967.
[24:13] And the Mando magic was in evidence
[24:15] tonight winning by the numbers and by
[24:17] stressing some old ideas popular with
[24:20] the old Democratic coalition. Here's how
[24:22] it worked in Pennsylvania. With 71% of
[24:24] the precincts reporting, the winner
[24:26] Walter Montdale's winning percentage is
[24:28] now running on the order of 46 to 34%
[24:31] over Hart with Jackson getting 20%. This
[24:33] is with 71% of the precincts from the
[24:36] whole state reporting. Now, of the 172
[24:38] delegates at stake today in
[24:39] Pennsylvania, keeping in mind that the
[24:41] delegate race there was something
[24:43] separate from the popular vote and the
[24:45] returns from it are coming in very
[24:46] slowly. Uh here is how some of the
[24:49] delegates decided thus far. we believe
[24:51] have been a portion to Montdale 88 heart
[24:54] 15 Jackson 2. And so tonight, the end of
[24:58] the Eastern Industrial Frost Belt phase
[25:00] of the primary season, the end of phase
[25:02] one of the quest for the nomination. A
[25:04] quest that now moves beyond winning
[25:06] beauty contests to winning for what's
[25:09] the only hard currency that counts,
[25:11] delegates to the San Francisco
[25:12] Convention. For the next month or so,
[25:14] Walter Montdale, Gary Hart, and Jesse
[25:16] Jackson get a break in the action and a
[25:19] muchneeded chance to reflect on where
[25:21] they've gone right and where they've
[25:22] gone wrong. And perhaps more important,
[25:24] a chance for the rest of us to think
[25:26] about that, too. For CBS News, Dan
[25:28] Rather at CBS News election headquarters
[25:30] in New York. Good night.
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