Up to the Minute (CBS) snippet - 2006-07-12 (Mumbai bombings)

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[0:03] >> Tuesday's bombings of commuter trains in

[0:05] Mumbai, India have raised security in

[0:07] mass transit systems around the world.

[0:10] The eight bombs tore apart the crowded

[0:12] trains during the evening commute,

[0:14] killing at least 147 people and wounding

[0:17] hundreds more. So far, no one has

[0:19] claimed responsibility for the attacks,

[0:21] but India has been the target of

[0:23] simultaneous bombings before at the

[0:26] hands of Kashmiri militants. Stephen

[0:28] Cohen is a senior fellow in foreign

[0:30] policy studies at the Brookings

[0:31] Institution. He's also the author of

[0:33] several books, including India Emerging

[0:35] Power. Dr. Cohen joins us this morning

[0:38] from our Washington Bureau with some

[0:39] insight. Good morning, Dr. Cohen.

[0:41] >> Good morning, Jeff.

[0:42] >> As I just mentioned, India has been

[0:44] targeted in the past, but any indication

[0:47] of why now?

[0:49] >> There's no particular reason for this

[0:51] timing at all. It could coincide with

[0:53] the anniversary of the Madrid bombing,

[0:54] for example, but that's just

[0:56] speculative.

[0:57] I would correct you in one sense. Some

[0:59] of the bombings that have taken place in

[1:01] India, especially in Mumbai, and this is

[1:02] the seventh such bombing in Bombay bomb

[1:04] Mumbai Bombay, same place. Really, it's

[1:07] the seventh such bombing and not all of

[1:08] them, if any of them were connected to

[1:09] Kashmir. Actually, at the same day

[1:11] yesterday that these bombings took place

[1:13] in Bombay, there were separate grenade

[1:15] attacks in Kashmir itself directed

[1:17] against tourists, both Indian and

[1:18] foreign tourists. It's not clear yet

[1:20] whether these attacks in Kashmir and the

[1:22] attacks in Bombay were linked in anyway.

[1:24] >> But you don't think this has any

[1:26] connection to the London bombings last

[1:27] year, the Madrid attacks 2 years ago? It

[1:30] seems somewhat similar.

[1:32] >> I think it does in the sense this could

[1:33] be a copycat bombing, or it could be

[1:35] that an al-Qaeda-like operation

[1:37] conceived of all three of them. India is

[1:39] on the same list as the as the Brits

[1:41] are, as we are.

[1:42] Sort of the

[1:44] of the of the radical Islamist groups,

[1:46] and this does present real problems for

[1:48] India, for Pakistan, and for the United

[1:50] States.

[1:50] >> Well, speaking of Pakistan, they insist

[1:52] they had nothing to do with this. What's

[1:53] your take on that?

[1:55] >> Well, they have to demonstrate, I think,

[1:57] beyond a shadow of doubt that they did

[1:58] have nothing to do with this. A lot of

[2:00] the terrorist groups operating in India,

[2:02] in fact, were either trained by the

[2:03] Pakistanis or or based themselves in

[2:05] Pakistan with or without Pakistani

[2:08] permission. We have no evidence about

[2:09] this particular group that carried out

[2:11] this operation, but if if the Indians

[2:12] establish a link back to Pakistan, there

[2:15] could be another major crisis, even

[2:16] another another war between India and

[2:18] Pakistan.

[2:18] >> So, we could see this escalate. There's

[2:21] been so much turmoil in the past between

[2:23] these two countries. What happens next?

[2:26] >> I think the Indians are going to try and

[2:27] use, obviously, forensic evidence to see

[2:29] where where these things came from, who

[2:31] did them, what the origin of the

[2:32] explosives are, and then then make a

[2:34] decision after after that. One of the

[2:36] issue one of the changing factors in

[2:38] this case, rather than a crisis in 2002,

[2:40] which almost led to war, is that the

[2:42] government in India is much weaker than

[2:43] it was then. The Manmohan Singh

[2:45] government is under great attack from

[2:46] the left and from other from some of its

[2:48] supporters both for being too

[2:50] pro-American and also for for being too

[2:52] too much in liberalizing the economy too

[2:55] fast. it may have to demonstrate that

[2:56] it's a strong government, which could

[2:58] make a crisis come that much faster.

[3:00] >> Is all this bitterness rooted in

[3:01] Kashmir?

[3:03] >> I'm sorry.

[3:04] >> Is all this bitterness rooted in

[3:05] Kashmir?

[3:06] >> No, I think that that's part of it, but

[3:08] it's not the whole picture at all.

[3:09] Generally, the Indian Muslims outside of

[3:12] Kashmir are relatively satisfied. I I

[3:14] doubt very much whether this is an

[3:16] Indian Muslim attack. Kashmiri Muslims

[3:18] themselves are simply exhausted and worn

[3:21] out by almost 15 years of warfare, and

[3:23] they're look many Kashmiri Muslims are

[3:25] looking for ways of of reaching a

[3:26] settlement with India and Pakistan. This

[3:28] could be a spoiler group. This could be

[3:30] a group that's unwilling to accommodate

[3:31] and

[3:32] the peace process that's going on

[3:34] between India and Pakistan. Or it could

[3:36] be a rogue a rogue group of some sort

[3:38] under nobody's control. We really don't

[3:39] have those answers yet. I think the

[3:41] Indians will turn them up pretty soon.

[3:43] >> Now that if we bring US and the US into

[3:45] the picture, how does that affect the

[3:47] US's relationship with India and

[3:49] Pakistan in wake of these attacks?

[3:51] >> Well, there really three two or three

[3:53] different ways. First of all, this is

[3:55] going to damage to least to some degree

[3:57] India's reputation as the shining India,

[3:59] the India where you want to invest your

[4:00] money, India that's growing

[4:02] economically. Bombay is both a cultural

[4:04] or at least the film capital of India,

[4:05] but it's also the financial and

[4:07] commercial capital of India. This could

[4:08] give some American companies pause in

[4:10] investing in India. I don't think that's

[4:12] likely to have a a long-term impact, but

[4:14] it's a certainly is a factor. It's

[4:16] probably one of the intentions behind

[4:17] the bombings to deter foreign investment

[4:19] from going into India. Secondly, the

[4:21] Americans the US government has a a good

[4:23] relationship with both India and

[4:25] Pakistan. Here we find two friends of

[4:27] ours apparently on the edge or could be

[4:28] on the edge and if this crisis escalates

[4:31] of another war. In the past the three or

[4:33] four previous crises we've intervened

[4:36] and tried to cool the situation down. I

[4:38] think this is another role the Bush

[4:40] administration will have to have, but

[4:41] they've yet to address the underlying

[4:43] causes of India-Pakistan conflict. We've

[4:45] encouraged the peace process or the

[4:46] dialogue between New Delhi and

[4:47] Islamabad, but that may not be enough to

[4:50] you know, to to avert another crisis.

[4:52] Again though, if this is a separate

[4:53] group and has nothing to do with the

[4:54] Pakistanis at all, then there should be

[4:57] India-Pakistan cooperation in

[4:58] eliminating these kinds of groups in in

[5:00] South Asia.

[5:00] >> Right. Following the attacks, the US

[5:02] immediately beefed up security on trains

[5:06] and subways here. A lot of politicians

[5:08] came out on Tuesday saying we need to do

[5:10] more. Is that necessary and is there

[5:13] something that can actually be done in

[5:14] the US to protect the subways and the

[5:16] trains against an attack like this?

[5:19] >> One of the features of modern life is

[5:20] that we're vulnerable in many ways and

[5:22] and if we cover up the subways, if we

[5:24] protect the subways the way we protected

[5:26] air travel, they'll find another way to

[5:28] hit us and that's really it's really

[5:30] hard to cover all the bases. But I think

[5:32] that as in Washington and New York in

[5:33] particular, the two most high-profile

[5:35] subway systems in the country, although

[5:36] I would put Chicago right up there as

[5:38] well.

[5:39] I think it is important to have a secure

[5:41] subway system as possible. And of course

[5:42] there's a lot of complaints recently

[5:44] about shifting some some homeland

[5:46] security money away from these cities

[5:47] towards towards towards other cities.

[5:49] >> All right, Stephen Cohen, senior fellow

[5:51] in foreign policy studies at the

[5:53] Brookings Institution. Thank you so

[5:54] much.

[5:55] >> Thank you for having me on. Bye-bye.