Nightline (ABC) - 1999-07-19

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[0:02] July 19th, 1999.

[0:08] From toddler

[0:10] to editor-inchief

[0:13] to loving husband,

[0:16] the media chronicled his every move.

[0:20] >> We were brought, you know, the media

[0:22] brought us into their family.

[0:24] >> Now there is an outpouring of sympathy

[0:26] and sorrow at his presumed death. I felt

[0:29] the deep need just to be here today. Um

[0:31] really felt like it was the closest I

[0:33] could get and I wanted to bring some

[0:34] flowers, pay my respects, and say a

[0:36] prayer.

[0:37] >> And as always, the attendant wall

[0:40] to-wall media coverage.

[0:43] Tonight, the Kennedy coverage, public

[0:46] interest, and media obsession

[0:53] from ABC News.

[0:58] This is Night Line

[1:00] reporting from Washington. Ted CP.

[1:06] I'm not sure whether to be angry at the

[1:08] New York Times for its arrogance or

[1:10] grudgingly impressed by its editorial

[1:12] honesty. For the past two days now, at

[1:15] least in the edition of the paper that I

[1:16] get, the Times has steadfastly refused

[1:19] to put the Kennedy bet story where the

[1:22] most important news story of the day

[1:24] traditionally goes, in the right column

[1:26] of the front page. It is as though their

[1:29] editors were saying, "We don't care what

[1:31] the rest of the country thinks. We'll

[1:32] put this story where it really belongs."

[1:35] This, the Times seems to be saying, is

[1:38] an important event, but not as important

[1:41] as the prospect of a broader peace in

[1:43] the Middle East, or the realization that

[1:45] as many as 10,000 Kosvar Albanians may

[1:48] have been killed over the past few

[1:50] months. In its own stately way, the

[1:52] Times is telling the rest of us to keep

[1:55] our perspective.

[1:57] Fair enough. You should know that two

[2:00] American peacekeepers were killed in

[2:02] Kosovo yesterday and three others were

[2:05] injured when their armored personnel

[2:07] carrier overturned. You should know that

[2:10] tomorrow marks the 30th anniversary of

[2:12] man's first landing on the moon. That

[2:15] Iraq is claiming 14 civilian casualties

[2:18] as the result of US air strikes. And

[2:20] that the Pentagon is saying it only hit

[2:22] military targets. There is a lot of

[2:26] other news, some of it even more

[2:27] important perhaps than what happened to

[2:29] John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife and

[2:32] sister-in-law. But the fact of the

[2:34] matter is that this particular event is

[2:37] hitting people more personally. Even as

[2:40] John Donvan now reports, even when they

[2:42] can't always explain why,

[2:46] it is clear why it mattered. When the

[2:48] father died, he was president. It was

[2:50] murder. The nation truly mourned. But

[2:54] what about the son? A man we imagined we

[2:56] knew because we think we met him as a

[2:58] boy when so many of us saw this single

[3:02] moment of black and white television.

[3:04] There would follow over the years a

[3:06] parade of photographs despite a

[3:08] relatively private life. The media

[3:11] hijacked his handsome face. Americans

[3:14] bought the magazines and we continued to

[3:17] imagine a deepening acquaintance with a

[3:20] man we did not know at all.

[3:23] And so when we asked people at Arlington

[3:25] National Cemetery over the course of a

[3:27] few hours why they felt connected to JFK

[3:31] Jr., we heard people talk less about the

[3:34] man and what he did with his life about

[3:36] which they knew little and more about

[3:39] snapshots, a family name and fame.

[3:43] >> This is Kevin Burke, new to the area who

[3:45] brought his four children. I think it's

[3:47] the Kennedy name that that brings people

[3:49] here and and the entire, you know, the

[3:52] whole Kennedy mystique.

[3:53] >> Can you define in any way what that

[3:54] mystique is?

[3:55] >> Well, I I No, I can't. I I I think it's

[3:57] hard for anyone to put their finger on.

[3:59] >> And Burke's daughter, Catherine, age 14.

[4:02] >> Oh, you know, he was he is a great guy

[4:06] and just to be up here, it just really

[4:10] means a lot to me.

[4:12] >> That's her way of saying that TFK Jr.

[4:14] was her first crush.

[4:16] Exactly what you don't want your father

[4:17] saying on television when you're 14

[4:19] years old. But if young Catherine fell

[4:21] for a magazine cover, Ken Razer, a

[4:24] tourist from Los Angeles, is moved by

[4:26] those old black and whites.

[4:28] >> And to see here uh the pictures of uh

[4:32] you know, John John as a little kid

[4:34] playing at the desk and uh saluting as

[4:38] the coffin goes by.

[4:41] It's uh

[4:43] moving. How old were you when his father

[4:46] was assassinated?

[4:48] Ah,

[4:49] >> five, six.

[4:50] >> So, you have a memory? A

[4:51] >> little bit. Little bit.

[4:53] >> One thing we noticed out here, a lot of

[4:55] people were echoing back language that

[4:58] reporters have used in coverage of the

[5:00] accident. We heard the phrase closest

[5:02] thing we have to a prince a few times.

[5:05] Someone quoted Tom Brokaw to us by name.

[5:08] We met this couple, soon to be married,

[5:10] who told us that they'd been to church

[5:12] to pray for the people in that plane.

[5:14] And now we're here to drop off some

[5:15] flowers.

[5:17] >> Just really moved me and I felt the deep

[5:19] need just to be here today. Um I guess

[5:21] it reminded me a lot of Lady Diana, you

[5:23] know, and I followed her that closely.

[5:25] Um maybe because of his age and he's in

[5:28] our peer group and seemed like such a

[5:30] wonderful person.

[5:31] >> But you don't you didn't know him, I

[5:33] don't think.

[5:33] >> No, not at all.

[5:35] >> You did grow up with him. You know, you

[5:37] don't

[5:37] >> it's kind of strange you grow up with

[5:39] them. And um John John seemed to be

[5:42] turning out really well among the

[5:44] Kennedys.

[5:45] >> Perhaps that is true. At least that is

[5:47] the media story. But the very name John

[5:50] John, by which America knew the young

[5:52] John Kennedy, that was a long ago

[5:54] reporter's error. His own family never

[5:57] used that name. Tom Quinn was upset with

[6:01] the media coverage, not because of

[6:03] mistakes, but because of the sheer

[6:05] quantity of it. You know, there are

[6:08] other things going on in the world and I

[6:09] feel for the Kennedy family, but you

[6:12] know, a little let it go. Yeah.

[6:14] Honestly, I think what you're doing is

[6:15] taking it and fell in a 2-hour time

[6:17] slot.

[6:18] >> And yet, everybody we talked with did

[6:21] watch the television, some of them for

[6:23] hours.

[6:24] >> This this has hit you as though you knew

[6:26] him,

[6:26] >> right? That's how I'm sure that's how

[6:27] the whole country feels right now.

[6:29] >> Why is that? Why do you feel you knew

[6:31] him?

[6:32] Um, well, because we were brought, you

[6:34] know, the media brought us into their

[6:36] family.

[6:37] >> And maybe that is one of fame's

[6:39] illusions. The famous become familiar.

[6:42] The familiar feel like family and the

[6:45] death of someone we hardly know. For

[6:47] some, becomes a personal loss. This is

[6:51] John Donvan for Night Line at Arlington

[6:53] National Cemetery.

[6:55] This is Kevin Newman in New York, and

[6:57] this is where John and Carolyn lived.

[7:00] Saturday morning, a lone woman in a

[7:02] green hat brought a bouquet of flowers

[7:04] here and left it on the doorstep.

[7:06] Continuing what has become in this day

[7:08] and age a way to mourn in public. By

[7:11] Sunday, the flowers filled the entire

[7:14] step. They were still mostly from

[7:15] neighbors and the grief was intimate.

[7:18] >> I thought that they were a very normal

[7:20] couple. You know, they respected the

[7:21] neighborhood and they sort of did

[7:24] everything that everybody else was

[7:25] doing. They used to hang out at a bar

[7:27] down the street. By today, that memorial

[7:30] spilled out into the sidewalk. Flowers,

[7:33] flags, notes, and candles.

[7:36] >> You want to put it on the pile?

[7:38] >> You put it on the pile.

[7:39] >> When a couple of cute kids came by to

[7:41] add to the flowers, the world was

[7:43] watching and wanted to share the pain.

[7:46] >> What was your first reaction when you

[7:47] heard?

[7:48] >> Disbelief. Almost like the Diana thing.

[7:50] >> What had begun as a place to meditate

[7:53] was something quite different.

[7:54] >> What made you decide to come down for

[7:56] today at least? When did she leave?

[7:58] >> There's no chance to have a solemn

[8:00] moment when trucks are going by and

[8:02] emergency vehicles and microphones are

[8:04] in your face. Very difficult to have

[8:05] that special little moment on the

[8:07] sidewalk of New York. It became a place

[8:09] for double-decker tour buses to drive

[8:11] by. And for anyone who's ever wanted to

[8:14] be on television to share their

[8:16] experience, even if they're not asked

[8:18] to.

[8:18] >> I went home and I turned off my TV and

[8:20] my radio, went to sleep, and that night

[8:23] I had a dream. Somebody was saying, "I'm

[8:25] in Boston." or I was saying I'm in

[8:27] Boston. I'm in Boston.

[8:29] >> It's not always easy for a reporter to

[8:31] determine how much of what he sees here

[8:33] is real and genuine and how much is

[8:35] happening because we're here. Quite

[8:38] often both are true.

[8:39] >> Well, there's a mixture of genuine

[8:42] affection and grief. And to be quite

[8:44] honest, there's also a mixture of the

[8:46] circus because of the presence of you

[8:48] people on both sides of the street. But

[8:50] uh it's hard to know which came first,

[8:53] whether it was the genuine affection and

[8:54] the grief or wanting to be part of a

[8:57] media event.

[8:58] >> I think that when people come here, they

[9:01] want to pay tribute. They want to leave

[9:04] flowers. They want to leave candles or

[9:06] leave a note. Uh I don't think they

[9:09] necessarily come down here to talk to

[9:10] reporters.

[9:11] >> Some reporters chose not to ask people

[9:13] about their grief. But for some

[9:15] onlookers, there was almost an

[9:17] expectation that grieving in public is

[9:20] part of what people do at a time like

[9:22] this. Does it bother you that that

[9:23] you're asked to share this by people

[9:25] like me?

[9:25] >> No, I just feel sorry for the family and

[9:28] any little thing that we could do to

[9:30] bring some consolation to them.

[9:32] >> Well, I mean, that's I would imagine our

[9:36] feelings are so similar to the rest of

[9:38] New Yorkers. And

[9:40] >> so, you have no you have no problem

[9:41] sharing your feelings with the country

[9:42] in some ways by talking to us? No,

[9:46] >> just want to get a shot of you while

[9:47] watching it.

[9:48] >> But some are asked to take it even

[9:50] further. This crew from the television

[9:53] program Extra brought video of John

[9:55] Kennedy so people could react not to his

[9:58] death, but to a television picture.

[10:00] >> Any thoughts as you watch that and think

[10:02] that?

[10:03] >> It's kind of hard to believe that uh you

[10:05] know, he's just not going to show up on

[10:07] his doorstep.

[10:08] >> When they gave you the tape, did you

[10:10] think that was fair to you?

[10:11] >> I I didn't like seeing the tape.

[10:14] It it uh I didn't think that was

[10:16] necessary.

[10:17] >> In some ways, it was like a house of

[10:19] mirrors here today. It was difficult to

[10:21] determine the reflection from reality.

[10:24] Difficult to see where the sorrow ended

[10:27] and public spectacle began.

[10:29] >> Let's move it along, please. No

[10:31] congregating. Say a prayer. I'm moving

[10:33] along, please.

[10:34] >> I'm Kevin Newman for Night Line in New

[10:36] York.

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[12:39] >> I used to use a typewriter.

[12:43] >> I used to have an eight track.

[12:48] >> I used to have open heart surgery is the

[12:50] only option for my patients.

[12:53] >> I used to worry about his heart.

[12:57] >> I used to think I'd have to have a big

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[13:11] >> It's not only here that the presumed

[13:14] death of John F. Kennedy Jr. has

[13:16] attracted such enormous coverage. It has

[13:18] been worldwide. Here with that story is

[13:21] Night Lines Chris Bury. Peter,

[13:23] >> I don't think many people believe there

[13:24] is now any hope of finding John F.

[13:27] Kennedy Jr. alive.

[13:35] The Kennedy name and all the legends and

[13:37] myths it embodies still resonate so far

[13:41] and wide that the latest sad turn in

[13:43] this American story has led newscasts

[13:46] around the world.

[13:48] >> Hope has gone. America accepts that John

[13:51] Kennedy Jr. is dead.

[13:56] >> It is not that JFK Jr. was that well

[13:59] known overseas that accounts for such

[14:01] coverage. Rather, it is his place in the

[14:03] Kennedy story that draws international

[14:06] attention. According to Martin Kettle of

[14:08] the British newspaper, The Guardian, the

[14:10] Kennedys remain uh now 30 40 years after

[14:14] the presidential uh uh term of John

[14:17] Kennedy. A huge uh story

[14:20] internationally. They're the biggest

[14:22] celebrity family from the United States.

[14:25] And I think also that the world's media

[14:28] in Britain, Russia, everywhere is run by

[14:31] people who remember the Kennedy

[14:33] presidential years, Robert Kennedy and

[14:36] Teddy Kennedy's dramas in the 60s and

[14:38] 70s.

[14:39] >> The oursed kings reads the headline in

[14:41] the French daily lefiguro. And that

[14:44] theme, the curse of America's royal

[14:46] family, dominated most foreign coverage.

[14:49] But in London today, some of the

[14:52] tabloids turned a harsher glare on John

[14:54] Kennedy Jr. for flying over the ocean on

[14:57] a dark, hazy night. Insanity screamed

[15:00] the Daily Mirror. Kennedy had a death

[15:03] wish headlined the Daily Mail. Last

[15:05] fatal risk of a daredevil, according to

[15:08] the Express.

[15:09] >> Steven, as you were saying in the

[15:10] report, maybe too inexperienced as a

[15:13] pilot and certainly some reports today

[15:14] saying that he was nervous about taking

[15:17] on this flight. British television too

[15:19] adopted a somewhat accusatory tone.

[15:22] >> There are old pilots and there are bold

[15:24] pilots, the aviation saying goes, but no

[15:27] old bold pilots.

[15:29] >> I think the British press generally, the

[15:32] tabloids in particular, but some other

[15:34] newspapers as well, are very

[15:36] in-your-face. They're very disrespectful

[15:38] to anybody in public life. They build

[15:40] them up and they knock them down. And

[15:42] they're very unsentimental

[15:44] about how they cover a story like this.

[15:47] But just across the Irish Channel, the

[15:50] media were far more sentimental, drawing

[15:52] again and again upon the ancient Kennedy

[15:55] ties to Ireland.

[15:56] >> Morning, the search continued for the

[15:57] Piper Saratoga aircraft in which

[16:00] >> in showing pictures of JFK Jr. and his

[16:02] mother visiting Ireland in 1967.

[16:06] Irish television reminded viewers of his

[16:08] father's famous visit in 1963, the first

[16:12] by an American president. Oh, the

[16:14] Kennedy name. I suppose it stands for

[16:17] Irish success in America.

[16:19] >> Tourists were interviewed at the

[16:20] Kennedy's ancestral home in County

[16:22] Waxford and at the replica of the boat

[16:25] on which JFK Jr.'s great

[16:27] greatgrandfather escaped the potato

[16:29] famine 150 years ago.

[16:31] >> One's very aware of the history and

[16:34] obviously the connection with Ireland

[16:36] and the Kennedys. In Jerusalem, at a

[16:38] memorial honoring President Kennedy, a

[16:40] visitor explained the family history to

[16:43] his nine-year-old son and then wept

[16:46] himself. Israel's prime minister back in

[16:48] Washington for meetings with President

[16:50] Clinton spoke of his country's sympathy.

[16:53] >> The family that has given us all so much

[16:57] has suffered another loss that can

[17:00] hardly be bore. In the end, of course,

[17:03] John Kennedy's presumed death has

[17:05] attracted such massive worldwide

[17:07] attention largely because the themes

[17:09] that run through his family's legacy are

[17:12] so universal. Power, beauty, fame, and

[17:15] even premature death. Those are

[17:17] storylines that travel effortlessly

[17:19] across borders, no matter the language,

[17:22] country, or culture. This is Chris Buri

[17:24] for Night Line in Washington.

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[20:28] We asked four talented writers who make

[20:31] their living crafting words and

[20:33] capturing moods to reflect on the events

[20:35] of these last few days.

[20:38] Many of us have spent the last 72 hours

[20:41] pondering the question of why this

[20:42] family seems to bear so terrible a

[20:45] burden, knowing, of course, that the

[20:48] question remains unanswerable. We have

[20:50] been reminded of this once again over

[20:53] the weekend, watching the images of a

[20:55] family which is at once so privileged

[20:57] and yet so stark crossed. The photos of

[21:00] John Jr. As a boy in the White House,

[21:02] juxtaposed with the grim images arriving

[21:06] live and in color from Martha's

[21:07] vineyard, we are reminded once again

[21:10] that more than for most of us, their

[21:12] particular journeys remain unfinished.

[21:16] Most of us of a certain age can remember

[21:19] where we were when we first heard the

[21:21] news of President Kennedy's

[21:23] assassination.

[21:25] Now, sadly, we can add to that one more

[21:28] memory, that of knowing where we were

[21:30] when we heard first of his son's fatal

[21:33] airplane crash. So, we mark, among other

[21:36] things with this new tragedy, the

[21:38] seasons of our own lives. And we know

[21:40] that as we mourn, we do so in continuum.

[21:44] >> I was stuck in a horrible airport thanks

[21:47] to a horrible airline when I heard the

[21:49] news. I was saddened like everybody

[21:51] around me. Oh, not again, is what I

[21:54] thought along with all my tired fellow

[21:56] passengers. Later that night, when I got

[21:59] to bed, exhausted in a lonely motel, I

[22:02] thought, "Oh, no, not again." But this

[22:05] time, my reaction was to the media,

[22:08] which spewed from every channel, every

[22:10] piece of tape about the deaths of every

[22:12] Kennedy in the past half century. Again

[22:15] and again, the same footage spilled

[22:18] almost gleefully, despite the wrapping

[22:20] of sadness and mourning. The unsemly

[22:23] glot carried an unmistakable message.

[22:26] The summer news drought was over. The

[22:28] story was big and simple enough to drown

[22:31] the thin grl of hate crimes, election

[22:34] year politics, money, and guns. Here is

[22:37] the replay of a national tragedy

[22:40] guaranteed to pull the emotional strings

[22:42] of every American alive in this century.

[22:46] I'm John F. Kennedy Jr.'s age and um for

[22:49] me and I think for many people, John Jr.

[22:52] long ago stopped being this mythic

[22:54] figure and became more of a regular guy

[22:56] just struggling along, just struggling

[22:58] along like the rest of us by failing the

[23:01] bar exam, by changing careers, by not

[23:04] accomplishing more in life than creating

[23:07] this magazine that no one who you ever

[23:09] meet ever seems to have read. I think

[23:11] because of this, his death lacks a

[23:15] mythic sadness.

[23:18] I would like to believe that John

[23:20] Kennedy Jr. would be the last person who

[23:22] would want this massive roundthe-clock

[23:25] coverage of his own death. For one

[23:28] thing, he seemed to carry his heritage

[23:32] with a kind of grace and humility that

[23:36] was really admirable. It was it was as

[23:38] much as you could ever expect from

[23:39] anyone. And for another and and more

[23:42] important, who wants their own death to

[23:44] be the biggest thing they ever did? If

[23:46] we ended up knowing far more about him

[23:48] than we were entitled to know about any

[23:50] young person struggling to start out in

[23:52] life, then it should also be said that

[23:54] he also managed to live a rich life,

[23:57] that he was surrounded by strong and

[23:58] devoted friends, and that in his first

[24:01] important professional incarnation, he

[24:04] had an honorable measure of success.

[24:06] Ironically enough, editing a magazine

[24:08] which reflected the modern intersection

[24:11] of celebrity and politics.

[24:13] >> It's hard to believe that John F.

[24:15] Kennedy Jr. Carolyn bet and Lauren Bet

[24:21] have gone down.

[24:23] If it were Shakespeare or a fairy tale,

[24:26] he, his wife, and her sister would show

[24:28] up on the shores of another land, switch

[24:32] identities, free themselves from their

[24:34] celebrity,

[24:36] meet up with new parts of nature and

[24:38] humanity, and return home liberated,

[24:42] changed, bigger, better.

[24:46] We know it's not Shakespeare.

[24:50] We know it's not a fairy tale. Once upon

[24:53] a time there was a prince. He was

[24:55] handsome. He was good. He published a

[24:57] magazine. He was heir to a great

[24:59] destiny. And one day he drove his

[25:02] chariot into the sky to be with his

[25:05] father. Oh no, not again, say the

[25:07] children, when for the next century,

[25:09] Daddy Media puts them to bed with the

[25:12] same fairy tale. Yes, I'm sad, but I

[25:15] wish they we could just be quiet. We

[25:20] grieve because of the death of fellow

[25:23] human beings, but we also grieve the

[25:28] death of myth. And myth means a possible

[25:32] truth, not a lie. We grieve the death of

[25:38] myth.

[25:40] And wouldn't it be sad if skeptics

[25:43] wondered?

[25:45] Why are they grieving too?

[25:48] those who never even knew him.

[25:51] Let the hearts of many reach out to the

[25:54] families of the deceased. And let some

[25:56] among us still believe that on some

[25:59] shore, one day, in spirit, if not in

[26:03] flesh, we will wonder

[26:06] at their return, just as we wonder now,

[26:10] at their departure.

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[30:07] >> Hi, I'm Bill Maher and this is

[30:09] Politically Incorrect. For the last few

[30:11] weeks, uh, we had planned on doing

[30:13] tonight's show about the meaning of

[30:15] life. Uh, it is an unhappy coincidence

[30:18] that the death of JFK Jr. now has a lot

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