Nightline (ABC) - 1992-03-03 (The '92 Vote)

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[0:01] We've shaken up the nation and we're

[0:03] shaking up the world here in Georgia

[0:04] tonight.

[0:06] >> President Bush still can't shake Ukanan

[0:08] loose and the Democratic field narrows,

[0:11] but there's no clear leader.

[0:14] >> I hope you're about half as happy as I

[0:15] am tonight.

[0:17] >> Clinton is the big winner in Georgia and

[0:19] Sus wins in Maryland. [cheering]

[0:32] >> [music]

[0:32] [bell]

[0:33] >> This is ABC News Night Line,

[0:37] the 92 votes. Reporting from Washington,

[0:41] Ted Cppel.

[0:43] This has been an unambiguously bad day

[0:46] for Tom Harkin and Bob Kerry.

[0:48] Technically, they may still be in the

[0:50] race, but to all intents and purposes,

[0:51] they have shown no additional strength

[0:53] or staying power today. Governor Clinton

[0:56] has won his first primary, Georgia, and

[0:58] he won it big. Senator Sonis came in

[1:01] second. But it was Sonis who took

[1:03] Maryland over Clinton, enabling the

[1:06] former senator from Massachusetts to

[1:07] claim the first primary victory by a

[1:10] Democrat outside his home region. To

[1:13] further confuse the Democratic picture,

[1:15] there is Colorado. in effect a three-way

[1:18] tie among former California Governor

[1:20] Jerry Brown, Governor Clinton, and

[1:22] Senator Sonis. On the Republican side,

[1:25] there has once again been a huge protest

[1:27] vote against President Bush. In Georgia,

[1:30] where Pat Buchanan has spent a great

[1:32] deal of time, he has once again done

[1:34] surprisingly well against an incumbent

[1:37] president. But in his own backyard of

[1:39] Maryland, where he spent essentially no

[1:41] time, Buchanan did almost as well. The

[1:44] same can be said of Colorado. What the

[1:47] White House may have regarded as a thorn

[1:49] in the side just a few short weeks ago

[1:51] has become a royal pain in the nether

[1:53] region of the Bush campaign. So, here we

[1:55] are with the polls closed, the vote in,

[1:57] and it's time for spin control. That

[2:00] process by which candidates or their

[2:02] surrogates find salvation in good news

[2:05] and glimmerings of encouragement in

[2:07] everything else. The first pitcher on

[2:09] the mound from Atlanta is Angela Bay

[2:11] Buchanan, sister of and campaign chair

[2:14] for Pat Buchanan. You're clearly hurting

[2:17] them. They're starting to get a little

[2:18] bit nasty from the White House,

[2:19] particularly the surrogates. They're

[2:21] talking about your brother as being a a

[2:23] bigoted man and they seem to be focusing

[2:26] more and more on the negative. What does

[2:29] that mean?

[2:31] >> You're talking to me now, Ted, right?

[2:32] >> I am indeed.

[2:33] >> Okay. It means that they're frightened

[2:34] and they're in hysterics at this stage.

[2:36] We have had another major victory down

[2:38] here in Georgia and that prairie fire is

[2:41] beginning to grow and it's going to

[2:42] spread and they're doing everything they

[2:44] can to stop it including sland

[2:46] slanderous remarks against my brother.

[2:49] >> Now let me ask you this. I heard your

[2:50] brother earlier this evening making his

[2:52] uh his victory statement and it's

[2:55] beginning to sound as though he is

[2:56] starting to take his own campaign

[2:58] seriously. Uh and and I say that without

[3:01] any sarcasm because all the all the

[3:03] polls are indicating that a only a

[3:06] minority of the people who are voting

[3:07] for your brother are really voting for

[3:10] Pat Buchanan. Most of them are still

[3:12] voting against George Bush.

[3:14] >> Well, Ted, what happened is that's what

[3:15] they said in New Hampshire. They said

[3:16] there economic problems, so people are

[3:18] voting against George Bush. We went up

[3:20] there. Sure, that was our immediate

[3:21] base, but we built it and we built it.

[3:23] In those last couple weeks, we were

[3:24] getting real momentum and anyone who was

[3:26] up there with us saw the kind of crowds

[3:27] that were surrounding around Pat

[3:29] Buchanan when he was speaking. That is a

[3:31] pro Pat Buchanan vote. We came down here

[3:33] in Georgia, much larger state. We had

[3:36] only a week. We're out there

[3:37] campaigning. George Bush put everything

[3:39] against us. His surrogates, the

[3:40] slanderous remarks I was commenting on.

[3:42] In addition to that, attack ads. And

[3:44] what happened? Pat continued to grow and

[3:46] grow. It is incredible the kind of

[3:48] movement is moving in his direction.

[3:50] We're up there. You're seeing people

[3:51] voting for Pat Buchanan in South Dakota

[3:54] and uncommitted. They're going in there

[3:55] and voting uncommitted so they can get

[3:56] the message to Pat Buchanan that that's

[3:58] who they want.

[3:59] >> I got to tell you, back in 1964, I used

[4:01] to see the same kind of passion, the

[4:03] same kind of crowds for Barry Goldwater.

[4:04] He got killed in the campaign. I mean,

[4:06] he got killed in the general election.

[4:08] You know that.

[4:08] >> I I I'm very well aware of that. But you

[4:10] also saw that kind of enthusiasm for

[4:12] another man. His name was Ronald Reagan.

[4:13] And he didn't do so badly in 1980. Ted,

[4:15] >> first time around, he didn't do all that

[4:17] well.

[4:18] >> Well, sometimes it takes two times.

[4:19] We're hoping to only take us once.

[4:21] >> Is that what we're really focusing on

[4:23] now is the 1996 campaign?

[4:26] >> No, we are not. As I said, we are

[4:27] focusing on this one. We're hoping that

[4:29] Pat Buchanan becomes president of the

[4:30] United States this year that he is wins

[4:32] that election in uh November. That is

[4:35] our goal. That's why we're here and

[4:36] we're out here talking about issues and

[4:38] people are listening and they are moving

[4:40] in our direction and there is incredible

[4:42] momentum to the Pep Buchanan campaign.

[4:44] >> All right, Babe Buchanan, thanks very

[4:45] much for joining us this evening.

[4:47] >> You are welcome, Ted. Later in the

[4:48] broadcast, we'll talk with Paul Sonis

[4:50] and Bill Clinton. When we come back,

[4:52] we'll be joined by Republican [music]

[4:53] Congressman N. Gingrich of Georgia, the

[4:55] White House, the House Minority Whip.

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[7:24] polling for ABC News. Lynn,

[7:27] >> Ted, George Bush and Pat Buchanan have

[7:29] been slinging a lot of charges at each

[7:31] other, but their race is revolving

[7:33] around only one main issue, the

[7:35] pocketbook. Buchanan voters are blaming

[7:37] the president for the high rate of

[7:39] unemployment and the recession.

[7:40] According to our exit polls in Georgia,

[7:43] of those Republicans who said the

[7:44] economy was poor, 70% voted for

[7:47] Buchanan, only 30% for Mr. Bush. And of

[7:50] those whose vote was affected by the

[7:52] fact that the president broke his no new

[7:54] taxes pledge, 77% voted for Buchanan,

[7:58] 23% for George Bush. And those figures

[8:01] were similar in Maryland and Colorado.

[8:03] But Pat Buchanan has some problems of

[8:05] his own. We asked Republican voters

[8:08] whether, as some have charged, they

[8:09] thought he was prejudiced against

[8:11] minorities. In Georgia, 24% said yes. In

[8:15] Maryland, 30%, 21% in Colorado. Finally,

[8:20] we also noticed today another trend that

[8:22] we've been tracking since New Hampshire.

[8:24] Pat Buchanan has a problem with women

[8:27] voters. In all three states, he received

[8:30] far less support from women than from

[8:31] men. Now, it's not clear whether those

[8:34] Bush TV ads hurt him. the ones quoting a

[8:36] 1983 Buchanan column about women being

[8:39] less equipped psychologically to compete

[8:41] in business but they can't have helped

[8:43] Ted.

[8:44] >> All right, Len, we'll be talking to you

[8:46] a little bit later about the Democrats

[8:47] later in the broadcast. Joining us from

[8:49] our Washington studio right now is

[8:50] Republican Congressman N Gingrich of

[8:52] Georgia. Uh Freudian slip a moment ago,

[8:55] but not a bad one when I called you the

[8:56] White House whip. Uh when you listen to

[9:01] uh the uh Buchanan campaign, when you

[9:04] listen to Pat Buchanan and Babe

[9:05] Buchanan, I I doubt that even they

[9:07] believe that they can take the White

[9:09] House away from George Bush, but it does

[9:12] look as though they could damage him

[9:13] very very badly for the general election

[9:15] this fall, doesn't it?

[9:16] >> Yeah. I Ted, I can't quite figure out

[9:18] what they're trying to accomplish now.

[9:19] It's clear they're not getting very many

[9:21] delegates. I think the president's ahead

[9:23] by some massive number. It's pretty

[9:25] clear Buchanan's not even going to get

[9:26] enough delegates from you have to get

[9:28] five states in order to be able to be

[9:30] nominated. That's not going to happen.

[9:32] Other than crippling the president and

[9:34] setting the stage for a Democratic win

[9:37] in the fall, I don't see what what

[9:38] Buchanan thinks he can accomplish from

[9:40] here on out. And it's pretty clear,

[9:42] frankly, that about 30 or 31% of the

[9:44] Republicans are going to vote against

[9:46] the president because of the economy as

[9:47] a protest. All of Pat's attack ads, all

[9:50] of his campaigning is is worth four or

[9:52] 5%. Let me ask you to put on your your

[9:55] own conservative thinking cap there for

[9:57] a moment. Uh sometimes conservatives

[9:59] tend to be true believers, folks who are

[10:01] just as soon a president whom they don't

[10:04] trust go down the drain so that four

[10:05] years from now they can start all over

[10:07] again.

[10:07] >> Well, I think that that's frankly a

[10:08] crazy position to be in. I think if you

[10:10] look at the thought that the whoever the

[10:12] Democrat is, they're going to call Teddy

[10:14] Kennedy and Jesse Jackson and asking

[10:17] them who should be on the Supreme Court.

[10:19] I can't imagine any conservative in

[10:21] America who wants to turn over the

[10:22] Supreme Court to that kind of of of a

[10:25] committee to choose it. I think when you

[10:27] look at the whole issue of values, I

[10:28] listened to three Democratic debates

[10:30] over the weekend on C-SPAN. I didn't

[10:32] hear anything on a social policy basis

[10:34] that would be acceptable to any of the

[10:35] Buchanan voters. So when we get down to

[10:38] September and October, you know, if

[10:39] you'd ask Pat Buchanan, does he really

[10:41] think America will be better off with

[10:42] four years of Clinton or or Sonis or

[10:45] Brown? I can't believe he'd say yes. So,

[10:47] very quickly, if you could pick up the

[10:49] phone and have a quiet conversation with

[10:51] Pat Buchanan and say, "Pat, what is it

[10:53] you want? What can we offer you to get

[10:54] you out of this race before you do some

[10:56] lasting damage?" What do you think he

[10:57] wants?

[10:58] >> Well, I don't know what he wants. I

[10:59] wouldn't approach him that way. I'd say

[11:00] Pat, as an American, who's a

[11:01] conservative who spent your lifetime

[11:02] against liberalism. Surely, you've now

[11:04] made your point. You're a lot more

[11:06] famous. You have more clout. Now's the

[11:08] time to get out of the race before it

[11:10] becomes truly bitter and truly divisive.

[11:12] >> All right. Thank you very much, N.

[11:13] Gingrich. Joining us from our Washington

[11:15] studio is ABC News political analyst and

[11:17] night line correspondent Jeff

[11:18] Greenfield. We will be doing this twice.

[11:20] Wants to take a look at the Republicans

[11:22] later on at the Democrats. What do you

[11:23] make of what's going on?

[11:24] >> Well, first you just heard the dress

[11:25] rehearsal for the fall campaign. Do you

[11:27] want Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, I'm

[11:30] sure there'll be others choosing your

[11:31] Supreme Court nominee. The point, I

[11:33] think, is not that Pat Buchanan's going

[11:34] to be nominated, but this is important.

[11:36] If there is a discontented electorate

[11:38] out there among Republicans and

[11:40] conservatives, what Buchanan is is a

[11:42] catalyst. The very fact that he

[11:44] campaigns from stateto state raising

[11:46] issues in very stark terms. I mean, this

[11:49] is not a guy that moderates his

[11:50] position. He campaigned in Georgia with

[11:52] a Confederate flag. It gives disaffected

[11:54] Republicans the idea that they have

[11:57] someplace to go besides staying home.

[11:59] And I agree that there's a 30% vote that

[12:01] might turn up no matter what, but

[12:02] Buchanan is helping to get them out. And

[12:04] as long as as he feels he can do that,

[12:07] uh, I think he's going to stay in the

[12:08] race.

[12:08] >> Very quickly, why do you think he is

[12:10] staying in the race? I mean, you don't

[12:12] think he's going to win the nomination?

[12:13] >> No, sir. Uh, but what I do think is that

[12:15] he is in a battle. Uh, he might regard

[12:18] it as a holy crusade to gain the

[12:20] conservative movement back from what he

[12:22] regards as the renegades, the heretics,

[12:24] the neoconservatives, and establish a

[12:26] what he would consider a true

[12:27] conservative movement for the years

[12:29] beyond. And I think that's what's

[12:30] driving him as much as anything else.

[12:32] >> Jeff, talk to you a little later in the

[12:33] program. When we come back, we'll be

[12:35] joined by the winner of the Maryland

[12:36] Democratic primary, former Senator Paul

[12:38] Sonis, and by the winner of the Georgia

[12:40] Democratic primary, Governor Bill

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[15:32] Before we go to Governor Clinton and

[15:33] Senator Sonis, let's go back once again

[15:35] to ABC's Lynn Sher and the exit polls of

[15:37] the Democratic voters. Lynn. Ted, the

[15:40] Democratic voters may have delivered a

[15:42] mixed message today, but the three top

[15:44] candidates stayed strictly in character.

[15:46] Sis did best among upscale Democrats,

[15:49] those with better education and incomes.

[15:51] Clinton did best among those who have

[15:53] less money and fewer years of school.

[15:55] And Jerry Brown in Colorado got the

[15:57] votes of the disaffected Democrats he's

[16:00] been courting, those who are young, are

[16:02] concerned about the environment, and

[16:03] have less party loyalty. For Paul Sonis,

[16:06] the northerner, his victory in Maryland

[16:08] was due largely to his plan to fix the

[16:10] economy. 50% of his voters said they

[16:13] were looking for a candidate with

[16:15] specific ideas. More than a third said

[16:17] they liked him because he showed

[16:19] strength and courage in life. Bill

[16:21] Clinton, the southerner, did especially

[16:23] well in Georgia among black voters. He

[16:25] got 70% of the black vote there compared

[16:28] with 53% of whites. And Clinton was

[16:31] largely unaffected by the so-called

[16:33] character issues. In Georgia, when we

[16:36] asked whether accusations that he'd

[16:37] avoided the draft had a favorable or

[16:40] unfavorable effect on their view of him,

[16:42] 67% said the accusations simply didn't

[16:45] matter. But clearly some voters held his

[16:48] actions against him, just as some other

[16:50] Democratic voters held it against Sonus

[16:53] because of their concern about his

[16:54] health. So neither candidate is

[16:57] completely free of problems in the

[16:58] primaries ahead. Ted,

[17:00] >> thank you. Lynn, joining us now from

[17:02] Columbia, South Carolina, is former

[17:04] Senator Paul Sonis and from Miami,

[17:06] Governor Bill Clinton. Gentlemen, uh,

[17:08] and I would ask you, Governor Clinton,

[17:09] first of all, focus for a moment, if you

[17:11] would, on what's happening on the

[17:12] Republican side.

[17:14] >> Uh, it it really does look as though

[17:17] there is a huge protest vote out there.

[17:20] How do you turn that to your own

[17:21] advantage if you, Governor Clinton, end

[17:23] up being the Democratic nominee?

[17:25] >> Well, I think first of all, you have to

[17:26] analyze the roots of the protest vote. I

[17:28] think the roots are two. One is the

[17:30] economy is going downhill and a lot of

[17:32] the Bush voters are disaffected. The

[17:34] second is they sense that it's an

[17:36] unprincipled government that it is not

[17:38] driven by any guiding vision. I think

[17:41] the way any Democrat can win them over

[17:43] is to come out for a detailed

[17:44] comprehensive economic program that will

[17:47] push our country into the future without

[17:49] compromising the Democrat's commitment

[17:51] to unify the country across racial and

[17:53] gender and regional divides. We cannot

[17:56] have class war, gender war, race war in

[17:59] America. And we've got to tell those

[18:00] folks, we want you, but you got to be

[18:02] part of a united country. I think we

[18:04] have a good economic message. We can do

[18:05] that.

[18:06] >> Senator Songis, are any of those

[18:08] Buchanan people potentially Democratic

[18:11] voters?

[18:12] >> Well, I think there are a lot of people

[18:14] uh in the Republican side. If you look,

[18:15] for example, in New Hampshire, um I came

[18:18] in third in in the Republican primary. I

[18:20] think a lot of Republicans are pro-

[18:22] environment, are pro-choice on women's

[18:24] issues, are really are disaffected by

[18:27] the the racism or the racial overtones

[18:30] of the uh current administrations. All

[18:32] you have to give them is a viable

[18:34] economic package that is simply built on

[18:36] growing the economy and I think you will

[18:38] find them and independence coming over

[18:40] to us. So I think we've got great

[18:42] potential here of them. back in uh back

[18:44] in last spring, Senator Songus, when

[18:46] everyone in the in the country, perhaps

[18:48] even in the whole world thought that

[18:49] George Bush was unbeatable. Uh I don't

[18:52] know whether you sensed any

[18:53] vulnerability then or if you were just

[18:54] in a kamicazi mood. Uh but as you as you

[18:58] perceive President Bush now, what is his

[19:01] greatest vulnerability? I

[19:02] >> I think ironically Pap Buchanan said it

[19:05] quite well. The fact is Pap Buchanan and

[19:08] I don't agree with him has a core set of

[19:11] convictions of beliefs and I think the

[19:13] general sense of the president is that

[19:15] everything's negotiable whether you're

[19:17] talking about women's rights or the

[19:19] environment or civil rights or whatever

[19:21] that there's no in essence core value

[19:23] system that someone like George Bush

[19:25] would be willing to be defeated over. So

[19:27] this sense of almost anything goes be it

[19:30] economics or social issues I think

[19:31] leaves people very uneasy. Governor

[19:34] Clinton, you were you were you were

[19:35] nodding there.

[19:36] >> I I agree with that. I think the sense

[19:38] of no conviction, no vision. I think

[19:40] that's one thing. I think the other

[19:42] thing that's killing him is the

[19:43] pervasive feeling of neglect. I think

[19:46] people really feel that except at

[19:47] election time or when things get

[19:49] terrible, he just neglects the basic

[19:51] needs of ordinary Americans. And I think

[19:53] that's what in our different ways we're

[19:55] all trying to tap into and reach out

[19:58] for.

[19:58] >> Now, we've been talking about the

[20:00] vulnerability of the Republicans. Let's

[20:01] focus on the vulnerability of the

[20:03] Democratic party.

[20:04] >> Uh if you two gentlemen in particular uh

[20:08] keep on doing what you've been doing for

[20:09] the last few weeks, one guy wins here,

[20:11] one guy wins there, there's a sense that

[20:14] this could go on for quite some time. Uh

[20:18] there is the potential that you're going

[20:19] to bleed each other dry to the point

[20:21] that neither one of you will be an

[20:23] effective candidate in the fall.

[20:25] Governor Clinton, you want to address

[20:26] that first?

[20:26] >> I I just disagree with that. I think

[20:28] first of all, you've got two serious

[20:30] people who are very serious about

[20:32] economic issues. There are differences

[20:35] between us and they have been and will

[20:36] be explored during this process. But if

[20:39] you want me to say on this show tonight

[20:41] that if I'm not the victor, I'll be

[20:43] stomped down for Paul Sonus in the fall

[20:45] and we're going to beat George Bush,

[20:46] I'll be happy to say that. I mean, we

[20:48] represent in each in a different way an

[20:51] attempt to at least take back the idea

[20:54] of principles in government and the idea

[20:56] that we ought to come together. And I I

[20:58] don't think that the debates we're going

[20:59] to have or the arguments we're going to

[21:01] have or the states he'll win, the states

[21:03] that I'll win will prevent us from

[21:04] preventing presenting a very unified

[21:06] front in the November election.

[21:08] >> Senator Songis, you guys were starting

[21:10] to cut each other up a little bit in the

[21:12] in the last few days of this campaign.

[21:14] what Governor Clinton said a moment ago,

[21:16] I I assume you'd be prepared to make the

[21:17] same kind of statement about him. Would

[21:19] you?

[21:19] >> Oh, yes. The fact is that whatever may

[21:22] divide the Democrat is marginal compared

[21:24] to the gulf between us and George Bush.

[21:26] And I think the notion that George Bush

[21:28] can go to the American people and argue

[21:30] incredibly that four more years after 12

[21:33] years is going to solve this country's

[21:35] problems is simply not going to ring.

[21:37] And it's really up to us to present a

[21:39] vision that is very clear. And if you go

[21:41] to Japan or Germany or Taiwan and you

[21:44] ask the people in those country what is

[21:46] the economic battle plan, they know what

[21:49] that is. But if you, you know, walk down

[21:50] any street in America and ask any

[21:53] citizen, what is George Bush's strategy

[21:55] battle plan to make us competitive and

[21:57] economically viable, they can't tell

[21:59] you. And that's where the opportunity

[22:01] comes from.

[22:02] >> Absolutely right. We are the only major

[22:04] country in the world with no strategy to

[22:06] be a high wage, high growth, high

[22:08] opportunity country. that that the

[22:10] argument in the Democratic primary is

[22:11] going to be which strategy should we

[22:13] pursue. That's a very different argument

[22:15] than should we have one? We we've gone

[22:17] for 11 years without one and it's

[22:19] killing this economy.

[22:21] >> I'm sure that both you gentlemen wish we

[22:23] were at that point, but I don't want to

[22:24] leave our viewers and I I suspect even

[22:26] you in the sense of fairness do not want

[22:27] to leave our viewers with the sense that

[22:29] those other fellas have just gone away.

[22:31] Uh it looks it looks as though Governor

[22:32] Brown is doing extremely well in

[22:35] Colorado. Mr. Car's doing I I think I

[22:38] heard you before Senator Song saying

[22:40] that Kerry's doing quite well where

[22:42] >> no Tom Harkin has

[22:44] >> Tom Harkin I'm sorry

[22:45] >> Minnesota and we won Utah apparently. So

[22:48] >> So you know can you understand that that

[22:51] those of us who make our living trying

[22:52] to you know examine the intrails of of

[22:55] this particular process having a hard

[22:57] time figuring out where you're going.

[22:58] Senator Sonis, what does it take to put

[23:00] that to put that governor from Arkansas

[23:02] away?

[23:03] >> Well I don't know. If I knew that, I

[23:05] would have done it before. Now,

[23:07] [laughter]

[23:08] >> where's your next shot?

[23:11] >> Um, we're in South Carolina and then, as

[23:13] you know, we go on to Florida and Texas.

[23:16] But the fact is that if you look at, um,

[23:19] for me, tonight was a breakthrough that

[23:21] I've been accused of being a regional

[23:22] candidate and now by winning Maryland

[23:24] and winning Utah, we finally put that

[23:27] issue to rest. So I think our message

[23:28] resonates across the country and finally

[23:31] have broken through that glass ceiling

[23:32] that we've been dealing with since the

[23:34] New Hampshire and Maine victories.

[23:35] >> Governor Clinton, I heard you bristling

[23:37] a little earlier. I think it was over on

[23:39] CNN about the No, no, no. That's I I I

[23:42] know the difference between coughing and

[23:43] bristling. I was talking about when you

[23:45] were on CNN earlier.

[23:46] >> Uh and you had an argument about

[23:48] Atlanta.

[23:48] >> You were bristling about the suggestion

[23:50] that uh that winning in Georgia is a

[23:52] regional victory for you.

[23:54] >> Well, Georgia is a state below the Mason

[23:56] Dix line. I was just pointing out it's

[23:58] 500 miles from my home state which is

[24:00] more on the border of the south and west

[24:02] and Atlanta is the city I believe with

[24:04] the the largest number of foreign

[24:05] companies headquartered in it. So I was

[24:08] very honored by the by the huge

[24:09] dimensions of the win tonight. We all

[24:11] going to have to win some more places.

[24:13] We're going to have to win on Super

[24:14] Tuesday. Got to go into Illinois and

[24:16] Michigan. There's a lot of races still

[24:17] ahead and we'll have a chance to

[24:19] continue this debate and discussion. But

[24:21] I think the more we can keep the energy

[24:23] of the American people focused on the

[24:25] critical need to change, to move into

[24:27] the future, to forget about the kind of

[24:30] labels that have paralyzed Washington

[24:32] politics, the better we're all going to

[24:33] be. And I look forward to this. I I

[24:35] think that the debate that is now

[24:37] unfolding among the change agents in the

[24:39] Democratic party will strengthen the

[24:41] party and make it more likely, not less

[24:43] likely, that we'll be able to attract

[24:44] disaffected independents and Republicans

[24:46] in the fall.

[24:46] >> Governor Clinton, we've only got about

[24:48] 10 seconds left. What is the earliest do

[24:50] you think uh no matter who wins, what is

[24:52] the earliest that you think a clear

[24:54] nominee of the party can be evident to

[24:56] the country at large?

[24:58] >> Well, Ted, if you look at the rules,

[24:59] just the rules that were adopted in 88,

[25:02] it's going to be a good while. You'll

[25:03] have to do a lot more of these reports

[25:04] before we know who the clear winner is.

[25:06] >> Well, I look forward to it. Governor

[25:08] Clinton, Senator Sonus, you were both

[25:09] gracious to stay up so late and to be

[25:10] with us. Thank you.

[25:11] >> Thank you.

[25:12] >> Good night. We'll be back in a moment.

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[27:37] >> Well, the uh the strategic point first,

[27:39] the best news for Bill Clinton, apart

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[27:44] Brown stays in the race as a as any kind

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[28:24] congressional mainstream liberal

[28:25] Democrats. That's one