CNN - 2003-03-17 - 10 a.m. (E)

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[0:00] Iraq is making preparations to use

[0:02] chemical weapons. Now, they are very

[0:04] clear that they do not see chemical

[0:06] weapons yet moving, but we are told

[0:09] there is quote more chatter. The words

[0:12] of officials here in Washington, more

[0:14] chatter in the system. One official

[0:16] reminding us, just think back to the

[0:18] audio tapes that Coen Powell showed at

[0:20] the United Nations that uh everyone

[0:23] heard of Iraqi commanders talking to

[0:25] each other. Officials again saying if

[0:27] they can find the chemical weapons that

[0:29] they believe are being prepared, they

[0:31] will strike them. But so far they have

[0:34] no direct intelligence as to where these

[0:36] chemical weapons may be. A lot of

[0:38] concern, however, finally Paula, because

[0:40] we also know there are a number of large

[0:42] artillery pieces that the Iraqis have

[0:44] placed near the Kuwaiti border,

[0:46] artillery that is capable of firing

[0:49] chemical munitions. So officials telling

[0:51] us here in Washington recent fresh

[0:53] evidence that Iraq is making

[0:55] preparations in their words to possibly

[0:57] use chemical weapons. Paul

[0:59] >> just brought up the issue of artillery

[1:00] pieces. There was a published account

[1:02] that the Iraqis have actually moved a

[1:04] bunch of artillery pieces to the oil

[1:06] fields and along the oil pipelines. Is

[1:08] anybody at the Pentagon confirming that

[1:10] yet this morning? Well, officials are

[1:12] confirming that there are a number of

[1:14] large artillery pieces in the Alfa

[1:16] Peninsula, which is next to the oil

[1:18] fields and along the Kuwaiti border. So

[1:20] far, those uh artillery pieces have not

[1:23] been struck. They are surfaceto-surface

[1:24] artillery pieces. Officials saying the

[1:27] technicalities of the no-fly, no drive

[1:29] zone don't allow them to strike it, but

[1:31] certainly there is a roundthe-clock

[1:33] reconnaissance over southern Iraq at

[1:35] this point, watching very carefully to

[1:37] make sure those pieces don't get armed.

[1:39] Pollock

[1:39] >> Barber, thanks for the update. Uh, that

[1:41] wraps it up for Jack Haerty and me. Go

[1:44] off and enjoy the parade.

[1:45] >> Be an interesting week, isn't it?

[1:47] >> Yeah, boy. Put your seat belts on.

[1:48] >> Yeah.

[1:49] >> We're going to check in now with Leon

[1:51] Harris and Carol Costello who are

[1:52] standing by in Atlanta. And you get to

[1:54] see the get to watch the same shot we've

[1:55] been watching for the last 3 hours.

[1:57] Dozens of people walking by those two

[1:59] microphones that are set up in a mic

[2:00] stand at the UN. But I know if anybody

[2:02] eventually takes the mics, they will

[2:04] have some very important things to say.

[2:05] Have a good show. You two.

[2:06] >> All right. Good deal. Thank you very

[2:07] much. Appreciate it. You folks have a

[2:08] good one this morning. Welcome folks.

[2:10] We're just now hitting 10 a.m. in the

[2:11] east, 7 a.m. in the west. Leon Harris

[2:13] here at the CNN global headquarters in

[2:15] Atlanta.

[2:15] >> I'm Carol Costello. Darren Kagan is on

[2:17] assignment and thank you for joining us.

[2:20] >> All right, Darren Kag by the way on our

[2:21] way to an assignment in the Persian

[2:23] Gulf. Hopefully we'll be seeing in

[2:24] something and hear from her in just a

[2:26] bit. Uh all this hour, we got quite a

[2:28] bit going on.

[2:30] >> The clock appears to be ticking toward a

[2:31] moment of truth at the United Nation.

[2:33] Members of the Security Council are due

[2:34] to meet at any moment for close

[2:36] consultations. Though there appears to

[2:38] be little optimism that war in Iraq will

[2:40] be averted. One ominous sign came just

[2:43] hours ago when the US advised inspectors

[2:45] to leave Iraq. At this hour, they do

[2:48] remain on the job and on edge as

[2:50] diplomats a half world away desperately

[2:52] search for common ground.

[2:54] Also live this hour, the latest from the

[2:56] White House. Minutes ago, reporters

[2:58] there gathered for an informal briefing

[3:00] from the administration. CNN White House

[3:02] correspondent Dana Bash will join us in

[3:03] a few minutes with a live update.

[3:05] >> But up first this hour here on CNN, the

[3:07] door is closing on United Nations debate

[3:09] this hour, both literally and

[3:11] figuratively. Diplomats are now filing

[3:13] their way into the Security Council

[3:15] chambers, but there is little optimism

[3:16] there that this closed meeting is going

[3:18] to provide the breakthrough needed to

[3:19] prevent war. CNN's senior UN

[3:22] correspondent Richard Roth is at his

[3:23] post. Let's check in with him right now

[3:24] and get to the very latest. Good

[3:26] morning, Richard.

[3:27] >> Good morning, Leon. We're expecting an

[3:28] update, a critical update on the status

[3:30] of the United States UK Spain resolution

[3:33] which called on Iraq to cooperate by the

[3:36] 17th of March today with a full

[3:38] disclosure on weapons of mass

[3:40] destruction. Downstairs in the basement,

[3:42] a new area because of refurbishment

[3:44] going on in the security council

[3:45] consultation room. The council is going

[3:48] to meet. They haven't started yet. We've

[3:49] seen Pakistan and Mexico and Guinea, key

[3:52] uncommitted members of the United

[3:54] Nations Security Council on this

[3:56] resolution tussle file in. They may not

[3:58] feel the pressure anymore after today

[4:01] because if the US decides to withdraw

[4:03] the resolution, uh they will not have to

[4:05] announce how they would have voted or

[4:07] would vote. Uh right now, if we take a

[4:09] look downstairs, uh there's a high drama

[4:11] here in this basement area waiting for

[4:14] key diplomats. We have yet to see US

[4:16] Ambassador Negropanti or British

[4:17] Ambassador Greenstar. We have seen

[4:19] others file in. If the US was to

[4:21] withdraw its resolution, it would mean

[4:24] they certainly didn't have the votes

[4:26] after weeks of trying. They only had

[4:27] four publicly despite press reports and

[4:30] leaks and other comments. Maybe they got

[4:32] up to eight within striking distance,

[4:34] the Secretary of State Powell said, but

[4:35] they never cleared the hurdle of getting

[4:37] nine in favor without any vetos. France

[4:39] and Russia to the last moment here have

[4:41] remained adamant there was no need for

[4:43] another resolution that Iraq was

[4:44] cooperating enough with the military

[4:46] pressure from the US to not justify a

[4:50] war at this time. Leon.

[4:51] >> Well, Richard, the question then becomes

[4:53] if this resolution is this this proposed

[4:56] resolution actually is withdrawn. Is

[4:58] there any other role for the UN from

[5:00] here on out? The role will be mostly

[5:02] humanitarian after that um the United

[5:04] Nations uh will in effect.

[5:09] >> As you could hear right now from our

[5:10] team of squatters, US Ambassador Negrop

[5:12] and British Ambassador Greentock are on

[5:15] their way down to that meeting room. uh

[5:17] I believe they've just entered uh the

[5:19] United Nations through the so-called

[5:20] delegates entrance. So in a matter of

[5:22] moments we will see these two gentlemen.

[5:24] We believe there may be an announcement

[5:25] from them. These have been the two

[5:27] allies. They were allies here in New

[5:28] York. They were allies in the Azora

[5:30] Islands yesterday along with Spain in

[5:32] their bid to try to finally come up with

[5:35] a solution diplomatically. Here uh comes

[5:38] British Ambassador Sir Jeremy Greentock

[5:40] approaching the microphone. Let's

[5:42] listen. and he's flanked by the Spanish

[5:44] ambassador. And there's US ambassador

[5:46] John Negra Ponte. And they've got a

[5:48] piece of paper in their hands. Here's

[5:49] their announcement.

[5:51] >> Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I'd

[5:52] be grateful for quiet for a moment.

[5:57] I would like to make a statement uh on

[6:00] behalf of the three co-sponsors of the

[6:03] seven March draft resolution.

[6:07] As you know, we have worked very hard in

[6:11] the last few days in a final effort

[6:14] to seek a council consensus on Iraq.

[6:19] In an effort to re reunite the council,

[6:22] the United Kingdom proposed last week an

[6:26] ultimatum which would challenge Iraq to

[6:28] take a strategic decision to disarm.

[6:33] There were three key elements to the

[6:36] compromise we proposed.

[6:39] First, tough but realizable tests,

[6:43] including an unequivocable unequivocal

[6:46] commitment to disarmament by Saddam

[6:48] Hussein.

[6:50] Second, a realistic but tight timetable

[6:55] for completion of those tests given the

[6:58] urgent need for Iraq to comply after 12

[7:02] years of proarication.

[7:05] And third, an understanding that if Iraq

[7:10] failed the tests, serious consequences

[7:13] would ensue as set out in resolution

[7:17] 1441.

[7:21] Having held further discussions with

[7:23] council members over the weekend and in

[7:25] the last few hours, we have had to

[7:28] conclude

[7:30] that council consensus will not be

[7:32] possible in line with resolution 1441.

[7:38] One country in particular has underlined

[7:41] its intention to veto any ultimatum,

[7:45] quote, no matter what the circumstances,

[7:48] unquote.

[7:50] That country rejected our proposed

[7:52] compromise before even the Iraqi

[7:55] government itself

[7:57] and has put forward suggestions that

[7:59] would row back on the unanimous

[8:01] agreement of the council in resolution

[8:04] 1441.

[8:07] and those suggestions would amount to no

[8:10] ultimatum, no pressure and no

[8:13] disarmament.

[8:15] Given the situation, the co-sponsors

[8:18] have agreed that we will not pursue a

[8:22] vote on the draft UK US Spanish

[8:25] resolution in blue.

[8:29] The communicates and press statements

[8:31] that issued at the Azour's summit

[8:35] explain the position of our governments

[8:36] on the way forward.

[8:39] The co-sponsors reserve their right to

[8:42] take their own steps to secure the

[8:45] disarmament of Iraq. Thank you.

[8:48] >> So, how much of a failure is this for

[8:50] British American diplomacy?

[8:55] >> Good morning. We share the fully the

[8:57] statement. We share the statement made

[9:00] by my British colleague.

[9:04] Resolution

[9:06] 1441 was quite clear

[9:10] in parag paragraph 4. It established in

[9:14] an uh in a cubical way that any false

[9:18] statement or omission or the sheer fact

[9:22] of not cooperating fully would

[9:24] constitute a further material breach.

[9:28] We believe that the government of Iraq

[9:31] was given a last opportunity and it has

[9:34] squander it. Thank you.

[9:43] Good morning.

[9:46] Hi. Can you hear me? I I would like to

[9:49] uh

[9:51] say that we associate ourselves fully

[9:54] with the statement made by Ambassador

[9:58] Greentock.

[10:00] I would just make the further point that

[10:03] it has been nearly 4 and a half months

[10:07] since the council unanimously adopted

[10:09] resolution 1441

[10:13] which found Iraq in material breach and

[10:16] gave it a final opportunity

[10:19] to disarm or face serious consequences.

[10:24] The government of Iraq has clearly

[10:26] failed to comply.

[10:30] Our governments believe that through

[10:31] acts of omission and commission,

[10:35] Iraq is now in further material breach.

[10:40] We advocated a second resolution

[10:44] because a United Council would have

[10:46] shown it was intent on enforcing

[10:50] resolution 1441

[10:53] and disarming Iraq.

[10:56] We bel believe that the vote would have

[10:59] been close.

[11:01] We regret that in the face of an

[11:04] explicit threat to veto by a permanent

[11:08] member, the vote counting became a

[11:11] secondary consideration. Thank you.

[11:14] >> We go on in.

[11:17] >> Okay.

[11:17] >> And with that, we've been getting this

[11:19] remarkable news, this uh historic

[11:21] announcement coming there from the

[11:22] ambassadors of the US and Spain and the

[11:26] UK. there arriving at the UN for what

[11:28] was supposed to be a behind closed doors

[11:29] meeting today to discuss what was going

[11:31] to happen next with this Iraq standoff.

[11:32] But the word we're getting now from the

[11:34] British ambassador there who announced

[11:36] Jeremy Greenock moments ago coming out

[11:38] and saying that the proposal, this

[11:40] proposed resolution that was being

[11:41] offered by the US and co-sponsored by

[11:43] Spain and Britain uh for a test, a tight

[11:47] timetable and for an understanding of

[11:49] serious consequences would follow Iraq's

[11:51] non-compliance. That proposal is not

[11:53] going to be voted upon. They're taking

[11:55] that proposal off the table. Now, you

[11:56] also just saw there at the bottom of the

[11:58] screen some other breaking news that we

[11:59] also heard while we were listening to

[12:01] these ambassadors make this

[12:02] announcement. We have also learned,

[12:04] we've been told, CNN has learned from UN

[12:06] officials that UN sec uh Secretary

[12:09] General Kofanan is going to be telling

[12:12] the inspectors that are right now in

[12:13] Iraq it is time for them to leave. We do

[12:16] not know if he has issued that order

[12:17] yet. Let's go back now to the UN. We

[12:20] understand the French ambassador is

[12:21] speaking. uh

[12:23] even if the consultation didn't start

[12:27] yet uh that uh the co-sponsor of the

[12:32] draft resolution

[12:34] uh decided not to push this resolution

[12:36] to a vote. Uh they have realized that

[12:40] the majority in the council is against

[12:43] and oppose a resolution

[12:46] author authorizing the use of force.

[12:49] This is the position of the

[12:52] huge majority in the council. Uh during

[12:55] the last day uh members of the council

[13:00] repeatedly stated that and and it is a

[13:04] majority in the council that it would

[13:07] not be legitimate to authorize the use

[13:11] of force. Now while uh the inspections

[13:16] set up by resolution uh are uh producing

[13:21] results and uh now I understand that uh

[13:27] uh the co-sponsor

[13:30] made some bilateral uh consultation last

[13:33] bal consultation uh last night and and

[13:36] and this morning and uh the result is

[13:40] that the majority of the council confir

[13:42] confirm confirm that uh they do not want

[13:47] to authorize the use of force. They

[13:50] consider the majority consider that it

[13:52] will not be legitimate whereas the

[13:55] inspection is producing result to take

[13:58] such a decision. Thank you very much.

[14:02] And with that we heard there there the

[14:03] response from the French ambassador to

[14:04] Lasablier coming out and saying that in

[14:07] their consultations uh that happened

[14:09] here before the behind closed door

[14:10] meeting was supposed to take place there

[14:12] at the UN that a majority in his words a

[14:14] majority of the council members have

[14:16] confirmed that in their view no use of

[14:18] force in Iraq would be legitimate while

[14:21] the inspections were actually paying

[14:23] dividends and paying off and being

[14:25] productive. And those were that is the

[14:26] view uh there from the French ambassador

[14:28] and that stands in sharp contrast to

[14:30] what we heard earlier just moments ago

[14:32] from the US ambassador John Negropati

[14:34] who says that he believes that if a vote

[14:35] had taken place it would have been a

[14:37] close vote. However, what we heard here

[14:39] from the French ambassador is that there

[14:40] was a huge majority against the draft

[14:43] resolution. Let's go back now to our

[14:45] Richard Roth who's standing by there at

[14:46] the UN has been listening as well.

[14:47] Richard?

[14:48] >> Yes. Uh it's a stunning loss for the

[14:50] United States but they never really

[14:52] wanted this resolution. uh they were

[14:54] totally happy with the the existing one

[14:57] that was approved by everybody.

[14:58] >> Richard, I'm sorry to interrupt you once

[14:59] again. Please hold on, Richard and

[15:01] audience as well. We are just now being

[15:02] told that President Bush is now going to

[15:04] be coming out and talking to the

[15:05] American public. We believe it's going

[15:06] to happen at 8:00 p.m. Eastern. That is

[15:08] what we have just now learned from our

[15:10] sources there at the White House.

[15:11] President Bush is saying that he is

[15:12] going to address the nation at 8:00 p.m.

[15:14] Eastern. Richard, let's go back to you

[15:16] now.

[15:17] >> Yes. The US wanted this resolution more

[15:19] for the British government and support

[15:20] international cover, international

[15:22] legitimacy for any military action,

[15:24] though they believe they have the legal

[15:25] basis in resolution 1441 passed November

[15:28] 8th by all 15 members. Uh it will not be

[15:31] known now whether the those uncommitted

[15:34] who will probably drift from the

[15:35] limelight now Cameroon, Guinea,

[15:37] Pakistan, Mexico, Chile exactly how they

[15:40] would have voted. They were desperately

[15:41] trying to come up with other diplomatic

[15:43] solutions, but they died over the

[15:45] weekend and even Friday as prospects

[15:47] dimmed for this resolution and the US,

[15:50] UK, and Spain huddled in the Azor's

[15:52] Islands. Kofian is going to tell the

[15:53] security council now that he is going to

[15:56] withdraw the inspectors and he

[15:57] presumably will get the blessing of the

[15:59] United Nations Security Council because

[16:01] the inspectors report to the full

[16:03] council. Uh we talked earlier about how

[16:05] council refurbishment and handiwork has

[16:07] to had forced all the ambassadors down

[16:09] in the basement. That's why you saw

[16:10] ambassadors Negrai and Greentock

[16:12] speaking there. Now they're moving up to

[16:13] the full council chamber which you now

[16:15] see because the room was too small in

[16:18] the basement. Uh this was high-powered

[16:20] politics. France sticking to its veto

[16:22] threat sticking to the end. Many thought

[16:24] France would crumble crack as they some

[16:27] say in the past. They stayed to it and

[16:29] thus Russia was emboldened to also join

[16:31] in in possible veto threats. China would

[16:33] have maybe joined in or maybe abstained.

[16:35] Now the United Nations diplomatic path

[16:37] is over and here there is a feeling that

[16:40] it's just a matter of time before it's a

[16:42] military approach with Iraq. Leon,

[16:45] >> thank you very much, Richard. Richard

[16:46] Roth at the UN this morning as

[16:48] developments there are seeming to come

[16:50] fast and furious.

[16:51] >> Oh, you're not kidding, Leon. So there

[16:52] will be no more no vote on the second UN

[16:55] resolution and the president will speak

[16:56] to the nation at 8:00 p.m. Eastern time.

[16:58] Let's head to Washington DC now to our

[17:00] White House correspondent, Dana Bash.

[17:01] Dana, what will the president say? Well,

[17:04] we were just told by Ari Fleer, the

[17:06] White House spokesman, that the

[17:07] president, as you said, will speak at

[17:09] 8:00 Eastern tonight. He will address

[17:11] the nation. And what will he what he

[17:13] will say, Ari Flecher said, is that to

[17:15] avoid military conflict, Saddam Hussein

[17:18] must leave the country. That is what Ari

[17:20] Fleer says. The president will say at

[17:22] 8:00 tonight in an address to the

[17:24] nation. Ari Fleer also saying that the

[17:26] diplomatic window is now closed. He said

[17:29] the UN has failed to meet its own

[17:32] demands and as a result uh the

[17:34] diplomatic window is now closed and so

[17:36] that is what the president will say

[17:38] tonight and as you said uh it is clear

[17:40] that the uh resolution has been

[17:41] withdrawn from the UN and things are

[17:43] moving quite quickly

[17:45] >> Dana that diplomacy has apparently

[17:47] failed. Does the president look upon

[17:48] this as a failure?

[17:51] >> Well it depends how it depends how you

[17:53] look at it. If you're talking about

[17:54] failure at the United Nations, I think

[17:56] the president made it very clear his

[17:58] frustration with the United Nations. Uh

[18:00] when he when he spoke yesterday in the

[18:02] Azor, he was making it very clear that

[18:04] the UN he felt uh and still feels had

[18:07] the responsibility to live up to what he

[18:09] says as Ari Fleer said again today is

[18:12] their own demands. And that demand is

[18:14] for Saddam Hussein to disarm or face

[18:16] serious consequences. Those were the

[18:17] terms of the resolution that passed in

[18:19] November. That was resolution 1441 that

[18:22] passed unanimously. What you've seen at

[18:23] the White House is an attempt by

[18:26] President Bush and his chief ally Tony

[18:28] Blair and others to try to get the UN to

[18:30] pass a second resolution because they

[18:32] felt that that was what some of the

[18:34] president's allies particularly Tony

[18:36] Blair needed at the UN. But that has not

[18:38] happened. The White House has failed to

[18:41] get other countries on board at the

[18:43] United Nations and uh the president has

[18:45] been saying for a while that the

[18:46] diplomacy has weeks not months. Now uh

[18:49] clearly that diplomatic window as Ari

[18:51] Flecher said earlier just moments ago

[18:53] point blank that diplomatic window has

[18:56] now closed

[18:57] >> completely. Dana Bash thanks very much.

[18:59] So again the president will address the

[19:00] nation at 8:00 p.m. Eastern time. Ari

[19:02] Fleer will also present a White House

[19:04] briefing. We will carry that live too.

[19:06] That will happen at 12:15

[19:09] p.m. Eastern time. That's this

[19:11] afternoon. Well, diplomacy is over.

[19:14] Activity in Baghdad is quickening.

[19:16] Iraqis are scooping up provisions as

[19:17] they face the prospect of hunkering down

[19:20] for war. We want to take you to the

[19:21] Iraqi capital now for the view from

[19:23] Baghdad. CNN senior international

[19:25] correspondent Nick Robertson is there.

[19:27] Has Saddam come out and said anything,

[19:29] Nick?

[19:31] >> Carol, not at this time. We've seen

[19:33] President Saddam Hussein appearing on

[19:35] Iraqi television this afternoon with the

[19:36] Tunisian foreign minister. And perhaps

[19:38] for the Iraqi viewers, a chance to hear

[19:41] something from their leader that they

[19:42] haven't heard before about the weapons

[19:44] of mass destruction. He did say that

[19:46] Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction,

[19:49] something we've heard many, many times

[19:50] before. What people haven't really heard

[19:52] here, and what President Saddam Hussein

[19:54] was telling the Chunisian foreign

[19:56] minister was that Iraq had had these

[19:59] weapons of mass destruction in the past

[20:01] for defensive use. He said Iraq had

[20:04] fought a long war, an 8-year war with

[20:06] Iran, and it had needed to have chemical

[20:09] and biological weapons of mass

[20:10] destruction at that time. Now, this is

[20:13] uh as far as we can tell, this sort of

[20:15] description about why Iraq has had

[20:17] weapons of mass destruction in the past

[20:19] has not been heard uh from the Iraqi

[20:22] leader very at least for a very long

[20:24] time. We also hear from the UN weapons

[20:26] inspectors here while they're certainly

[20:28] aware that it very much appears at this

[20:30] time that there's going to be a formal

[20:32] request uh arriving here requesting them

[20:34] to leave. They say they have not heard

[20:36] that request yet. They are waiting for

[20:38] UN weapons chief Hans Blicks to formally

[20:40] pass that information to them. There are

[20:42] 56 weapons inspectors in the country at

[20:45] this time. The UN here says that it has

[20:48] 134 staff total in the inspection

[20:50] mission and that their primary plan at

[20:52] this time would be to fly out of Iraq if

[20:54] and when they get that evacuation order.

[20:56] They do have the option of driving to

[20:58] the Jordanian border. that would take

[20:59] somewhat longer, but their plan at this

[21:01] time, as we understand, is to evacuate

[21:03] by aircraft to Cyprus. We have heard

[21:06] today from Iraq's information minister,

[21:08] Muhammad Alsah, talking about the Azour

[21:10] summit, essentially calling it a

[21:12] failure.

[21:15] I think it's a failure. those despicable

[21:20] three failures. They tried again to

[21:25] divert the attention and all they

[21:28] presented is a series of lies and a

[21:31] series of dark black propaganda like Mr.

[21:36] Bush and the others.

[21:39] >> Now, Al Sahaf also saying Iraq continues

[21:42] to cooperate with the weapons

[21:43] inspectors. However, with the weapons

[21:45] inspectors clearly on the brink of

[21:47] leaving, that appears to be all over.

[21:49] Carol

[21:50] >> Nick, let's go back to Saddam Hussein

[21:52] admitting that he once had weapons of

[21:54] mass destruction. What is the

[21:56] significance of that?

[21:59] Well, the significance is that this is

[22:01] really an explanation for the people of

[22:03] Iraq at a time when President Saddam

[22:06] Hussein is looking to keep the people of

[22:08] Iraq behind him, to give them, if you

[22:11] will, some sort of credible explanation

[22:13] for why Iraq has had weapons of mass

[22:16] destruction in the past. It's one thing

[22:17] here for people to hear the leadership

[22:19] saying the country has no weapons of

[22:21] mass destruction, while many in the

[22:22] international community say Iraq does.

[22:25] It's one thing for them to hear that

[22:26] from the Iraqi leader. now getting some

[22:29] sort of explanation about it. Uh the

[22:31] timing obviously very very critical.

[22:33] This is a time for the country here for

[22:35] President Saddam Hussein to look to his

[22:38] people to give him support. Now we know

[22:40] from officials here they say in the

[22:42] referendum last year people voted 100%

[22:45] in support of President Saddam Hussein.

[22:47] But at this time the leadership really

[22:49] needs to know and really needs to make

[22:51] sure that it does at this very critical

[22:53] time have that support in a credible

[22:55] fashion. Carol,

[22:57] >> it just seems to be a little late for

[22:58] that, but we'll see what happens. Um,

[23:00] Nick Robertson reporting live from

[23:02] Baghdad today. Leon,

[23:03] >> now we have some news coming to us out

[23:05] of the State Department in Washington.

[23:06] We've just received word that Secretary

[23:08] of State Coen Powell is going to be

[23:10] having a press conference this morning.

[23:11] We expect it to get underway in about 20

[23:13] 25 minutes or so. We think it's going to

[23:15] be around 10:45 Eastern. And of course,

[23:17] live coverage right here on the network

[23:19] as Secretary of State Coen Powell comes

[23:20] out to talk to us after this word coming

[23:22] from the UN that the draft resolution

[23:24] offered by the US, Spain, and Britain is

[23:26] now being taken off the table. Now,

[23:28] earlier today, both the US and the

[23:30] British governments urged their citizens

[23:31] to leave Kuwait immediately. The State

[23:34] Department cites quote a deteriorating

[23:36] security situation in the region end

[23:38] quote. The US State Department issued

[23:41] similar orders for non-essential

[23:42] consular personnel and dependent not

[23:45] only in Kuwait but elsewhere in the

[23:47] Middle East. The evacuation orders

[23:48] include Syria, Israel, Gaza, and the

[23:51] West Bank. And the consequences of

[23:53] staying in that region may be getting

[23:55] more and more serious because we've got

[23:56] some breaking news coming to us now from

[23:58] the the Pentagon. Officials are saying

[24:00] that Iraq may be may be preparing to use

[24:04] chemical weapons if war breaks out.

[24:06] Let's go to Barbara Star who's standing

[24:07] by at the Pentagon. She brought us this

[24:09] news just recently. Let's go to her for

[24:10] the latest. Barbara

[24:12] >> Leon, what US officials here in

[24:13] Washington are saying is that in the

[24:16] last few days, there is recent and fresh

[24:19] evidence that Iraq is preparing to use

[24:22] chemical weapons. Now, they are very

[24:23] clear no one has actually seen chemical

[24:26] weapons move. No one has seen the

[24:29] physical evidence of chemical weapons

[24:30] yet, but officials say there is, in

[24:33] their words, more chatter in the system,

[24:36] reminding us that of the time that

[24:38] Secretary of State Colon Powell played

[24:40] some audio tapes at the UN just a few

[24:42] weeks ago of Iraqi commanders talking to

[24:45] each other. Officials say, "Think of the

[24:47] evidence in those terms." Now, US

[24:50] reconnaissance is watching Iraq

[24:52] virtually around the clock at this

[24:53] point, looking for any evidence of that

[24:56] type of activities, and officials are

[24:58] saying if they can find the chemical

[25:00] weapons and they see them on the move,

[25:02] indeed, those munitions will be struck.

[25:04] One of the biggest concerns is that in

[25:07] the last several days as well, there are

[25:08] several large pieces of Iraqi artillery

[25:11] that have been moved close to the

[25:13] Kuwaiti border and along the Alfa

[25:15] Peninsula. These artillery pieces are

[25:17] said to be capable of firing chemical

[25:20] munitions and many of those artillery

[25:22] pieces now are within range of US troops

[25:24] in Kuwait. But again, officials saying

[25:27] at this point it is chatter in the

[25:29] system. They haven't seen the munitions

[25:31] yet. Leon,

[25:32] >> very troubling news there. Thanks,

[25:34] Barbara. Stay on top of that for us.

[25:35] We'll get back to you on the very

[25:36] latest. Thank you, Barbara. Barbara,

[25:38] start with the Pentagon.

[25:39] >> Uh, we want to take it back to the

[25:40] United Nations. The Pakistani ambassador

[25:42] speaking right now. Let's listen to what

[25:44] he has to say. iplomacy. It seems pretty

[25:46] clear the diplomatic window has closed.

[25:50] >> Well, I think that the diplomatic window

[25:53] is never closed. Not even uh in in the

[25:56] worst of times. So, let's hope let's

[25:59] hope that there is still space.

[26:02] >> Do you blame the French for scuffing

[26:03] this like the Americans do?

[26:05] >> We blame nobody.

[26:06] >> Mr. ambassador the French ambassador

[26:08] said this morning that uh he got

[26:10] confirmed that the majority would have

[26:12] voted no for new for this American

[26:15] resolution on which side was Pakistan

[26:18] would have been I I I do not enter into

[26:22] conjecture.

[26:22] >> Oh come on I mean I mean this morning

[26:24] you did say that diplomacy and and

[26:26] politics should go on. I mean sure so it

[26:29] was no time for war or what? Pakistan

[26:32] had always said that we would decide our

[26:35] position when the time came to vote. The

[26:38] time did not come to vote.

[26:41] >> Are you happy about that?

[26:43] >> Uh I think you should ask the other 14

[26:46] as well.

[26:48] >> Pakistani ambassador Moonin Aram dodging

[26:51] some questions there from reporters who

[26:53] are eager for any answers that u the

[26:55] ambassadors at the United Nations must

[26:57] have. We have to tell you 10:45 Eastern

[26:59] time, Coen Pal said for a press

[27:01] conference. We're going to carry that

[27:02] live.

[27:03] >> And of course, the biggest news of all

[27:04] that we've heard so far this morning,

[27:05] President Bush has announced that he is

[27:07] going to be addressing the nation 8:00

[27:09] p.m. Eastern tonight. And we've gotten a

[27:10] bit of a heads up on what we expect to

[27:12] hear him say. President Bush will be

[27:13] telling the country tonight as Saddam

[27:15] Hussein has only a matter of a few days

[27:17] to lead the country. Stay tuned. Much

[27:19] more on all this coming up after a

[27:20] break.

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[29:25] >> The event surrounding the showdown with

[29:27] the Rock now gathering up now to

[29:28] critical speed with just within the past

[29:31] 10 15 minutes or so this morning. We've

[29:32] seen a flurry of activity at the United

[29:34] Nations in New York. We heard there this

[29:36] morning the announcement that the draft

[29:38] resolution being offered by the US,

[29:40] Britain, and Spain has now been pulled

[29:41] off the table, meaning therefore that

[29:43] all deliberations diplomatically at the

[29:46] UN regarding a holding off a war on Iraq

[29:48] have now been taken off the table. Also,

[29:51] we have also learned that Secretary of

[29:52] State Coen Powell is going to be coming

[29:54] out at the State Department. He is going

[29:55] to be having a press conference and

[29:57] offering us his view. We expect that to

[29:59] happen within about 15 minutes or so.

[30:01] Live coverage of that right here on the

[30:03] network. Also, and perhaps even more

[30:05] importantly this morning, we have also

[30:07] learned from the White House that

[30:08] President Bush is going to be coming out

[30:10] and addressing the nation. You see here

[30:11] a live picture from the UN. We've been

[30:13] seeing a stream of UN ambassadors coming

[30:15] out by those microphones and offering

[30:16] their perspectives this morning. Many of

[30:18] them still saying they're holding out

[30:19] hope for diplomacy. We're going to keep

[30:21] our eye tuned to that particular

[30:23] location and once anyone else comes out

[30:24] of any import, we'll go there and get

[30:26] their words. Now, getting back to

[30:27] President Bush, we understand that he is

[30:29] going to be speaking to the nation

[30:30] tonight 8:00 p.m. Eastern. And we

[30:32] understand that he's going to be saying

[30:33] that Saddam Hussein has only a number of

[30:35] days to leave that country. Now, joining

[30:38] us now this morning to talk about all

[30:39] these developments as well as this

[30:41] perhaps this this proposed speech from

[30:43] President Bush this evening is Joe

[30:44] Wilson. He is a former US envoy to Iraq

[30:47] and he was there at the time of the 1991

[30:50] Gulf War. He joins us this morning from

[30:52] Washington. Good to see you again,

[30:53] Ambassador Wilson.

[30:55] Quite a bit to talk about this morning.

[30:57] First of all, let's begin with this

[30:58] announcement about the draft resolution

[31:00] being taken off the table. Are you

[31:01] surprised by that? What does this mean

[31:02] to you?

[31:03] >> Not at all. The United States didn't

[31:05] want this draft resolution from the very

[31:06] beginning. They supported it only

[31:08] because Tony Blair needed it for some

[31:10] political cover in the UK. When the

[31:13] president came out last week and

[31:14] provided Tony Blair uh the other fig

[31:17] leaf, which is a commitment to the

[31:19] Middle East peace process, that made

[31:20] that was done clearly because the

[31:22] resolution was dead in the water. What I

[31:24] am surprised about is the is playing the

[31:26] blame game. It's u uh the fact that uh

[31:29] there were a number of countries that

[31:30] opposed it is just one of those facts of

[31:33] life. There's no particular need to go

[31:34] out and start blaming anybody for

[31:37] standing in the way of this juggernaut.

[31:38] >> Well, we've heard heavy blame being laid

[31:40] at the feet of France on this one.

[31:42] You're surprised by that?

[31:43] >> Well, I find it I find it really

[31:45] unnecessary, undignified. um uh

[31:47] particularly in pride the Americans in

[31:49] view of the fact that president made it

[31:50] very clear he didn't feel any particular

[31:52] need to go back to the United Nations in

[31:54] the beginning obviously didn't feel the

[31:56] need because it wasn't clear that he'd

[31:57] get a second resolution so his uh his

[32:01] his thinking on that was was verified

[32:04] well you were saying here that this is

[32:06] and this has been the the view by many

[32:08] that this whole idea of this second

[32:10] resolution was to offer cover for Tony

[32:12] Blair

[32:13] >> with there being no vote what what

[32:15] actually was accomplished

[32:17] Well, I think I think that by there

[32:19] being no vote, uh, legally the United

[32:21] States and its allies in this war will

[32:24] will be able to revert to 1441 and a

[32:27] serious consequences phrase as

[32:30] justification for taking the military

[32:31] action they're about to take. Uh, had

[32:34] they gone for another vote and it had

[32:36] been voted down, uh, then there it would

[32:39] have called into question the legality

[32:40] of uh, of this war operation.

[32:43] >> All right. Well, speaking of operations,

[32:45] one operation that perhaps is underway

[32:47] even as we speak now is the evacuation

[32:49] of all US personnel who had and those

[32:52] who are called non-essential personnel

[32:53] who may be within that region either in

[32:55] Kuwait or any any other country in the

[32:57] region. Can you explain to us what that

[32:58] process is all about?

[33:00] >> Sure. When we did the Gulf War, we

[33:02] evacuated non um essential personnel

[33:06] from everywhere from Tanzania to

[33:07] Moritania. It's basically getting uh

[33:09] dependents, the wives and children of

[33:11] American diplomats as well as diplomats

[33:13] who were not essential to the day-to-day

[33:15] functioning of the of a smaller reduced

[33:18] size embassy in a wartime situation

[33:20] trying to get people to safety

[33:22] essentially.

[33:22] >> Mhm. Now, as we heard just moments ago,

[33:24] we did hear the word that something of a

[33:26] tip off as to what President Bush may

[33:28] come out and talk about this evening, is

[33:29] that he may be coming out and saying

[33:31] that Saddam Hussein has only a matter of

[33:33] days before to leave the country, a

[33:35] matter of days in order to avert war.

[33:38] I'm assuming that you don't believe

[33:39] that's in any way likely.

[33:41] >> Oh, I don't think that we're we're going

[33:43] to avert war. Um, and I think a matter

[33:45] of days is probably right. If you if you

[33:48] look at the shock and awe strategy of

[33:50] somewhere between 48 and 72-hour bombing

[33:53] and you back it up a little bit, we

[33:55] could be at war as early as say

[33:56] Wednesday. My guess is that they will

[33:59] not want to bomb Baghdad heavily on the

[34:02] Friday holy day, but maybe they will.

[34:04] >> Well, they haven't been able to predict

[34:06] almost anything in this whole entire

[34:08] process. So, who knows about that?

[34:10] >> Actually, Paula Paula suggested the

[34:12] other day that I predicted almost

[34:14] everything.

[34:15] >> Oh, is that right? In that case, you're

[34:16] coming back for sure. Ambassador Joe

[34:18] Wilson, always good to have you. Thank

[34:20] you for your time.

[34:21] >> Thanks, Leon.

[34:21] >> Carol,

[34:22] >> byebye.

[34:22] >> All right, Leon. Um, a reminder again,

[34:24] in just about 15 minutes, Defense

[34:26] Secretary Coen Pile will hold a press

[34:28] conference. We're going to be carrying

[34:29] that for you live. We're also monitoring

[34:31] the United Nations to see if any more

[34:33] ambassadors want to come out and give

[34:34] their perceptions of what happened

[34:35] today. Of course, that second UN

[34:37] resolution will not be voted on. The

[34:39] diplomatic window now closed. In fact,

[34:42] President Bush will speak to the nation

[34:44] at 8:00 p.m. Eastern time to tell Saddam

[34:46] Hussein he has just a few days to leave

[34:48] his country. We'll be back right after

[34:50] this break. You stick around.

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[37:25] >> If you are just joining us, it's 10:35

[37:28] Eastern time and a lot is happening this

[37:29] morning. For example, uh that second US

[37:32] res UN resolution rather in the United

[37:34] Nations will not be voted on. It has

[37:37] been withdrawn.

[37:39] Also, Kofian will order weapons

[37:41] inspectors out of Iraq and President

[37:43] Bush will be speaking to the nation live

[37:45] at 8:00 Eastern time tonight. CNN's

[37:48] coverage will begin at 700 p.m. Eastern.

[37:50] We hope you join us then. Now, on to

[37:53] this. Kurds living in northern Iraq find

[37:54] themselves especially vulnerable as the

[37:56] talk of war increases. And the threat is

[37:58] from within their own country in the

[38:00] form of Iraqi troops. So, many Kurds are

[38:03] literally heading for the hills,

[38:04] especially now. CNN's Jane Araf is in

[38:06] northern Iraq and joins us via video

[38:09] phone.

[38:14] >> Harold, the diplomatic exodus has

[38:16] sparked, sorry, the diplomatic standoff

[38:18] has sparked an exodus from this city.

[38:21] Now, police here have been waving

[38:22] through tens of thousands of people. All

[38:25] of them hoping to outrun what they feel

[38:27] is imminent war. Now there are trucks,

[38:30] buses, motorcycles, even all packed to

[38:33] the rafters with belongings. Practically

[38:35] everything people can carry away.

[38:37] Children packed into taxi cabs. Some of

[38:39] the cars are carrying cradles on top.

[38:41] All of these people are fleeing east

[38:44] further into Kurdish controlled

[38:45] territory. And they say it's because

[38:47] they feel that the diplomatic process

[38:49] has broken down and war is coming. And

[38:51] if war comes, they say there's a threat

[38:53] of a chemical attack. Now, a lot of the

[38:56] children that we've been seeing here are

[38:57] laughing and waving. They see it as a

[38:59] big adventure, but the parents are

[39:00] worried. They have very distinct

[39:02] memories of chemical attacks on the

[39:04] Kurds by Iraqi forces in previous years.

[39:07] None close to here, but still the fear

[39:09] is great enough to send them fleeing in

[39:10] the tens of thousands and it's expected

[39:12] to continue into the night. Carol Jane

[39:16] Raf reporting live via video phone this

[39:18] morning. Uh the Kurds in northern Iraq

[39:21] afraid and um they have reason to be

[39:23] afraid, especially now since diplomatic

[39:25] efforts have broken down completely.

[39:27] >> Exactly. We're going to continue to

[39:28] watch that as that develops. As a matter

[39:30] of fact, any moment now, we expect

[39:32] Secretary of State Coen Powell is going

[39:33] to be having a press conference at the

[39:35] State Department in Washington. Very

[39:38] interested here. We are to hear what he

[39:39] has to say this morning. So stay with

[39:40] us. We'll have coverage of them.

[39:42] >> Something else very interesting, Leon,

[39:43] before we head to break. Let's take a

[39:45] look at the big board because stocks are

[39:46] going wild.

[39:47] >> That's amazing. Absolutely amazing. You

[39:49] see the Dow industrials are up.

[39:51] >> Oh my goodness.

[39:51] >> Triple digits. They're up and this is

[39:53] perhaps in the last 2 or 3 minutes or so

[39:55] they've gone up maybe 25 30 points. I'm

[39:58] also seeing the NASDAQ is up as well. Uh

[40:01] markets perhaps reacting because the air

[40:03] of uncertainty may have been removed

[40:05] this morning.

[40:05] >> That's right. Because certainly a lot

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[42:28] >> Welcome back as we continue our coverage

[42:30] this morning of the apparent closing of

[42:31] the window of diplomacy and the

[42:33] resolution on the standoff with Iraq.

[42:35] Word coming from the UN this morning

[42:36] that the US draft resolution that was

[42:39] co-sponsored by Spain and Britain has

[42:40] been pulled off the table and a vote

[42:42] will not be held on that resolution this

[42:44] morning. Lots of questions about whether

[42:46] or not there would even be a chance that

[42:48] that resolution would pass. That is not

[42:50] even going to be an issue now as that

[42:51] resolution has been pulled. Now, we

[42:53] understand that US Secretary of State

[42:54] Coen Powell will be coming out within

[42:56] about the next 5 minutes or so to this

[42:58] podium here at the State Department in

[42:59] Washington. We'll be getting his words

[43:02] on the latest developments. So stay with

[43:04] us. We'll have live coverage of that

[43:05] right here. Now, in the meantime, there

[43:07] appears to be a growing sense of public

[43:09] support in the US for an American le

[43:11] invasion of Iraq. And at least that's

[43:13] the feeling being expressed now of the

[43:15] latest CNN USA Today Gallup poll which

[43:17] was released over the weekend. And our

[43:18] Bill Schneider is joining us now with

[43:20] the details and the analysis on that

[43:21] poll. Morning, Bill. Lots to talk about

[43:23] there, no doubt.

[43:24] >> Yes, there is. Uh we've seen a lot of

[43:26] pictures of rallies, but the fact is

[43:28] Americans are rallying behind President

[43:30] Bush. Just since the beginning of March,

[43:32] the number of Americans who favor an

[43:34] invasion of Iraq with US ground troops

[43:36] has jumped from 59 to 64%. That 64 is

[43:41] the highest level of public support

[43:43] since just after the 911 attacks a year

[43:46] and a half ago. In other words, the

[43:48] public is saying,

[43:49] >> "Let's roll." Now the those numbers

[43:52] though, Bill, have been affected one way

[43:53] or another by the question about whether

[43:55] or not if the UN actually sanctions,

[43:58] outrightly sanctions any movement of US

[44:00] troops into the region. What do the

[44:01] numbers tell you about that? Now,

[44:03] >> what they tell us, Leon, is that the uh

[44:05] idea of not putting this to a vote at

[44:07] all is the least favorite option of the

[44:10] American people. Obviously, if the UN

[44:12] supported a new resolution,

[44:14] overwhelmingly Americans would favor

[44:16] going in and they'd also by a majority

[44:18] favor going in 54%. If the resolution

[44:20] were put to a vote and it was rejected

[44:22] by the UN, but Americans are split over

[44:25] the idea of going in if there's no UN

[44:28] vote at all. To the public, a UN vote

[44:30] means we tried. No UN vote means we gave

[44:33] up. Now, there is a problem with um uh

[44:36] asking for a resolution and going in

[44:38] even if it's rejected. That would

[44:40] violate the UN charter and it would be

[44:42] illegal under international law. Suppose

[44:44] we do what we seem to be planning to do,

[44:46] go to war without asking for a UN vote.

[44:48] Has that ever happened? Sure. It happens

[44:51] all the time. There was no UN vote to

[44:53] authorize the Vietnam War, the Soviet

[44:55] invasion of Afghanistan, the British war

[44:58] in the Falcons, and most recently the

[45:00] NATO war in Kosovo. I think the rule is

[45:02] it's much better to ignore the UN, which

[45:05] we apparently have chosen to do, than it

[45:07] would be to defy the UN.

[45:09] >> Very interesting. I'm be curious to see

[45:11] exactly what the poll numbers look like

[45:12] next time around now that that has

[45:13] happened. So, what do the numbers say

[45:15] about the US public support of the UN?

[45:17] I've got to think that based upon those

[45:19] numbers that US can't be having very

[45:21] much uh confidence right now in the UN.

[45:23] >> Not at all. In fact, US support,

[45:25] American public support for the UN has

[45:27] taken a big hit. As recently as January,

[45:29] Americans thought the UN was doing a

[45:31] good job, 50 to 42%. But look at

[45:34] people's view of the UN now. 58%

[45:36] negative. Gallup has been asking this

[45:38] question since 1953. This is the worst

[45:41] rating, the worst that the UN has gotten

[45:44] in 50 years. And Leon, before we jump to

[45:46] the conclusion that it's Republicans and

[45:48] angry radio talk show hosts dumping on

[45:51] the UN, I have some news. The UN took

[45:53] its biggest hit among Democrats. the

[45:55] number of Democrats who think the UN is

[45:56] doing a lousy job jumped by 30 points

[45:59] since January.

[46:00] >> Now, that is very interesting. Does that

[46:01] say anything at all about the the way

[46:03] that the administration has actually

[46:04] been making the case and that they've

[46:05] actually made it successfully with even

[46:07] with perhaps those that may have been

[46:08] the most skeptical of of the of the

[46:10] administration.

[46:11] >> That's right. There this is a partisan

[46:13] issue, but it's not quite Democrats on

[46:14] one side, Republicans on the other.

[46:16] Republicans almost unanimously support

[46:18] the option of an invasion. Democrats are

[46:21] actually split, which means they don't

[46:23] speak with one voice.

[46:24] >> Yeah. Speaking of the case that the

[46:25] administration's been making, it's been

[46:27] criticized that the administration's

[46:28] been trying to go too much and stretch

[46:30] out too far perhaps in trying to uh in

[46:33] making the case against the war on

[46:34] terror and saying that that there's been

[46:35] some connections between Saddam Hussein

[46:37] and what happened here in 911. What do

[46:39] the numbers say about that?

[46:40] >> Well, let's listen what the president

[46:42] said. He said in his news conference on

[46:44] March 6th, September the 11th, should

[46:45] say to the American people that we're

[46:47] now a battlefield, that weapons of mass

[46:49] destruction in the hands of terrorists

[46:51] could be deployed here at home. In other

[46:53] words, the president's argument for war

[46:55] is if Saddam Hussein is not disarmed, he

[46:58] will launch another 9/11. That's why

[47:00] Americans now support something they've

[47:02] never supported or even contemplated in

[47:04] the past, which is a preemptive war.

[47:07] Now, 88% of Americans agree with the

[47:10] president and believe Saddam Hussein

[47:12] supports terrorist groups that have

[47:14] plans to attack the United States.

[47:16] That's the principal reason why

[47:18] Americans support an invasion. But in

[47:21] fact, 51% believe Saddam Hussein was

[47:24] himself personally involved in 911.

[47:28] >> Well, Leon, I think the bottom line is

[47:30] for Americans, this war is all about

[47:33] 911.

[47:34] >> Yeah, that that's very interesting

[47:35] because there have been there's no

[47:38] shortage of voices who are saying there

[47:39] is no connection or there has been no

[47:41] proven connection between Saddam Hussein

[47:43] and and September 11th and yet the

[47:44] public still believes that.

[47:46] >> That's right. The administration has

[47:47] made two points. There are ties between

[47:49] Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, some

[47:51] al-Qaeda presence in Iraq. And the

[47:54] argument that I just quoted, the

[47:55] president says if we don't disarm him,

[47:57] there'll be another September 11th. But

[47:59] no clear evidence that he was personally

[48:01] tied to September 11th. Nevertheless,

[48:03] Americans believe it. They probably

[48:04] believe it because Saddam Hussein and

[48:07] al-Qaeda share the same goal. They want

[48:09] to see both of both of them want to see

[48:11] Americans dead.

[48:13] >> Bill Steiner, thank you very much.

[48:14] Appreciate that as always. Bill Steiner

[48:16] in Washington. Carol,

[48:17] >> well, can you say Leon, the news has

[48:19] been fluid this morning? It certainly

[48:20] has. Things are changing. We told you

[48:22] about that White House briefing by Ari

[48:23] Faer at 12:15 Eastern time. Well, he has

[48:26] now cancelled that event. And maybe we

[48:28] should have expected that since the

[48:29] president is to speak to the nation at

[48:31] 8:00 Eastern time tonight. Also, we've

[48:34] learned the president will be meeting

[48:35] with congressional leaders at 5:45

[48:37] Eastern time this afternoon. Of course,

[48:39] we'll keep you updated on all of these

[48:41] fast-breaking developments today. We're

[48:43] going to take a break. We have so much

[48:45] more to tell you about, so stay right

[48:46] there.

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[49:51] >> The State Department and Secretary of

[49:52] State Coen Powell.

[49:54] >> Unonyimity. The Security Council came

[49:56] together following President Bush's

[49:58] historic speech to the United Nations on

[50:00] the 12th of September. And on the 8th of

[50:02] November, after long negotiations uh

[50:05] passed UN resolution 1441

[50:09] by unanimous vote 15 to zero, not one

[50:12] member failing to raise a hand in

[50:15] support of that resolution.

[50:17] In the months after the passage of UN

[50:20] resolution 1441,

[50:22] we watched as the inspectors began their

[50:24] work and we were immediately concerned

[50:27] that Iraq was not going to understand

[50:30] the intention of 1441 when Iraq

[50:33] submitted 30 days later a declaration

[50:35] that can only be said to be false, not

[50:38] complete, rather incomplete, not

[50:41] truthful, untruthful, and nowhere near

[50:44] meeting the spirit intended

[50:46] in 1441.

[50:48] We call that out to the international

[50:51] community at that time. We said we

[50:53] believe that that false declaration was

[50:55] a material breach. We continued to

[50:58] support the inspectors. We continued to

[51:00] watch and although we have seen some

[51:03] process improvements and some grudging

[51:06] movement on the part of Sodom Hussein's

[51:08] regime to provide some information and

[51:11] provide some equipment to the

[51:13] inspectors. It certainly wasn't the kind

[51:16] of compliance and total cooperation that

[51:19] 1441 required and that we were hoping

[51:22] but had no illusions about Iraq being

[51:25] able to accept and respond to. As a

[51:29] result of this and as a result of a

[51:31] number of briefings that we received

[51:33] from UNMovic and IAEA

[51:36] uh a week and a half ago, the United

[51:38] Kingdom, the United States, and uh Spain

[51:42] uh put forward a resolution that would

[51:44] once again give Sodom Hussein one last

[51:47] chance to act or face the serious

[51:50] consequences that were authorized and

[51:52] clearly intended in UN resolution 1441.

[51:56] Unfortunately, over the last um roughly

[51:59] uh two weeks or thereabouts, a little

[52:01] less than two weeks that we have

[52:02] debating this particular draft

[52:04] resolution and despite best efforts to

[52:06] see whether or not language could be

[52:08] adjusted uh to make it more acceptable

[52:11] to council members, it is clear that

[52:13] there are some permanent members of the

[52:15] council that would veto any such

[52:17] resolution or any resolution resembling

[52:20] the one that the British TD Friday

[52:22] before last at the United Nations. As a

[52:24] result of this, uh, the United Kingdom,

[52:27] the United States, and Spain decided to

[52:31] not call for a vote on this resolution.

[52:34] Um, we spent a great deal of time

[52:36] overnight uh and earlier this morning

[52:39] talking to friends and colleagues around

[52:41] the world about uh the resolution and it

[52:45] was our judgment reached by the United

[52:48] States, the United Kingdom and Spain

[52:50] that no further purpose would be served

[52:52] by pushing this resolution. So, we are

[52:55] not going to ask for a vote on the

[52:56] resolution. the resolution uh will uh

[52:59] die anyway because it had a built-in

[53:02] date of 17 March within the resolution

[53:04] which has not been modified. As you

[53:07] heard the president and the other

[53:10] leaders who assembled in the Azors

[53:12] yesterday for the Atlantic summit say

[53:15] the window on diplomacy is uh closing.

[53:19] Uh the moment of truth is arriving and

[53:22] you will hear a speech from the

[53:23] presidenti of the United States this

[53:25] evening. President Bush will address the

[53:26] nation and the world on the situation as

[53:29] we now see it. Um, in his speech, he

[53:32] clearly will issue an ultimatum to Sodom

[53:35] Hussein that the only way to avoid the

[53:37] serious consequences that were built

[53:40] into 1441 is for Sodom Hussein and his

[53:44] immediate cohort uh to leave the country

[53:47] and to allow uh this matter to be

[53:49] resolved through the peaceful entry of

[53:52] force and not a conflict. Nevertheless,

[53:54] um the president's determination will be

[53:56] made clear tonight that this matter

[53:58] cannot continue indefinitely. That Sodom

[54:00] Hussein is guilty of the charges that

[54:04] have been brought against him previously

[54:06] through these many resolutions which

[54:07] acknowledged that he had weapons of mass

[54:10] destruction and he has failed to disarm

[54:13] himself as required by the various

[54:15] resolutions. We believe and I think um

[54:18] you've also heard an opinion from uh

[54:21] British legal authorities uh within the

[54:23] last 24 hours that there is sufficient

[54:26] authority in 1441 678 and 687 earlier

[54:31] resolutions for whatever military action

[54:34] might be required. I'm very very pleased

[54:37] that the council did come together last

[54:39] November 8th for 1441. of course

[54:42] disappointed that we were unable to get

[54:44] a subsequent resolution but we believe

[54:46] that our actions now are u supported by

[54:51] international law whatever actions we

[54:53] might take in the future and the

[54:55] president will talk to this issue

[54:56] tonight I won't say any more about the

[54:58] president's speech because the president

[55:00] of course will have the opportunity to

[55:02] speak for himself and uh make the points

[55:04] perfectly clear to the American people

[55:06] and to the international community.

[55:08] You'll also notice that in their

[55:11] statements yesterday at the Atlantic

[55:13] summit, all of the leaders spoke to a

[55:16] future for Iraq that will be brighter if

[55:19] it comes to the use of military force,

[55:21] where this dictator will no longer be

[55:24] able to oppress his own people, no

[55:25] longer able to threaten his neighbors,

[55:28] and no longer able to develop these

[55:30] horrible weapons which could be used

[55:32] against his neighbors as they have been

[55:34] used in the past or of greater concern

[55:37] to us. can spread and be acquired by

[55:40] terrorist organizations which might use

[55:42] them against us, our friends or our

[55:44] interest. I think it was also important

[55:46] to note in the president's statement

[55:48] yesterday his commitment to the UN and

[55:49] the role that we believe the UN will

[55:52] play uh in the aftermath of any conflict

[55:55] uh should it come and our continued

[55:57] support uh for the UN. With that, I'll

[56:00] take a couple of questions. secretary on

[56:02] the allies back in November when several

[56:04] of them tried to dilute the resolution

[56:07] and they did accomplish some word

[56:08] changes. Um would it be fair to say that

[56:12] they understood at the end that force

[56:16] was possible because their impress they

[56:18] seem to give the impression they had

[56:19] succeeded in sidet tracking force and

[56:23] could you say if you think there'll be

[56:24] permanent damage to the alliance with

[56:27] what the French have done with support

[56:29] from Germany and Russia

[56:30] >> on your first question Barry uh there

[56:32] can be no confusion on this point if you

[56:35] remember the debate that we were having

[56:37] before 1441 was passed there There were

[56:39] some nations who insisted that a second

[56:42] resolution would be required and we

[56:45] insisted that a second resolution would

[56:47] not be required. And as we negotiated

[56:50] our way through that, we made it

[56:51] absolutely clear that we did not believe

[56:54] that the resolution as it finally passed

[56:56] would require a second resolution. And

[56:59] in fact, the resolution that we are not

[57:01] taking to a vote today is not a

[57:03] resolution that we uh believed was

[57:05] necessary. It was a resolution we were

[57:07] supporting along with the United Kingdom

[57:09] who tabled it and Spain. It was a

[57:11] resolution that would help some of our

[57:12] friends to show to their publics and to

[57:15] the world that we had taken uh one last

[57:18] step. We had made one last effort to see

[57:21] if Sodom Hussein would come into

[57:23] compliance. The burden of this problem

[57:26] rests squarely on Sodom Hussein and his

[57:30] continuing efforts to deceive, to deny,

[57:33] to do everything to divide the council,

[57:36] to take advantage of every meeting we

[57:38] have had over the last several months to

[57:39] do something just before that meeting to

[57:41] suggest that he is complying when he

[57:43] really isn't. And the world should know

[57:45] that uh this crisis is before us because

[57:48] of this regime and it flagrant violation

[57:51] of obligations that it entered into over

[57:53] the last 12 years. That's where the

[57:55] burden lies.

[57:56] >> And the is there permanent damage to the

[57:58] excuse me

[57:59] >> uh is there permanent damage to uh to

[58:02] the the alliance? I the UN uh is an

[58:05] important institution

[58:07] um and it will survive and the United

[58:10] States will continue to be uh uh an

[58:12] important member of the United Nations

[58:15] and its various uh uh organizations. But

[58:18] clearly this is a test in my judgment

[58:21] that the security council did not meet.

[58:23] We all knew what we were doing last

[58:24] fall. The very reason that we went into

[58:27] a went into a prolonged negotiation on

[58:30] 1441 was so that it did not become the

[58:34] same kind of resolution that we had seen

[58:36] so many times in the past that had a lot

[58:38] of words, a lot of rhetoric and Sodom

[58:40] Hussein can simply ignore and thumb his

[58:42] nose at. This was a resolution that

[58:45] every person who voted for it, every

[58:48] permanent representative who was there

[58:50] on the 8th of November and voted for

[58:52] this resolution knew that it was

[58:54] different. that serious consequences

[58:56] would flow and those serious

[58:57] consequences meant the use of force to

[58:59] disarm Sodom Hussein if he did not

[59:02] comply with that resolution and

[59:04] cooperate fully with the inspectors to

[59:06] disarm that regime.

[59:08] >> Mr. Secretary, how how long a period of

[59:10] time do you think is appropriate for

[59:11] Saddam Hussein to be uh allowed to get

[59:14] out and who uh who else besides him

[59:17] would have to leave if uh if if they

[59:21] want to avert war?

[59:22] >> Um I I won't speak to a time limit. The

[59:24] president may may do that in the speech

[59:26] this evening and I'll leave that to him.

[59:28] But clearly we would want to see Saddam

[59:31] Hussein depart as well as immediate

[59:33] members of his family who are in

[59:35] positions of control and authority over

[59:38] the armed forces of Iraq. And there are

[59:40] a number of other individuals who would

[59:42] also like to see depart. Some of them

[59:44] were mentioned in in the weekend press,

[59:47] but it's not just one individual I think

[59:48] to solve the problem.

[59:49] >> Do you have a number though? Is there

[59:51] >> um I don't have a number at hand. There

[59:53] are variety of of numbers and ideas

[59:55] floating around and if somebody uh in

[59:57] Baghdad wishes to know the names I'm

[59:59] sure we'd be able to provide them.

[60:02] >> Uh Mr. Secretary, can you give us some

[60:04] insight what has happened over the last

[60:06] 24 hours since the meeting in the Azors?

[60:08] Who were the problems? What kind of

[60:10] conversations did you have? Who did you

[60:12] reach out to? What were the responses?

[60:14] Um the United Kingdom obviously uh

[60:18] reached out to a number of their um

[60:21] colleagues um and um I I can't speak for

[60:24] them. I'll let them cover their own

[60:26] calls and consultations. Similarly,

[60:29] Spain and and others uh Richard will

[60:32] give you the list of my calls uh for

[60:34] this morning, but it's about uh oh 12 or

[60:37] 15. I've spoken to the French just spoke

[60:39] to foreign minister Dilpan. I spoke to

[60:42] Foreign Minister Yoshka Fischer of

[60:44] Germany. I've spoken to Foreign Minister

[60:46] Eigor Ivanov of the Russian Federation.

[60:49] I've spoken to the new Chinese foreign

[60:50] minister, Foreign Minister Lee. Um I

[60:54] spoken to President Misharf. I have

[60:56] spoken to Kofi Anan. Um I have spoken to

[61:00] uh foreign minister George Papandreo of

[61:02] Greece who's also in the Greek

[61:04] presidency for this period. I've spoken

[61:07] to foreign secretary straw. Uh I spoken

[61:09] to foreign minister Palasios of Spain

[61:12] and uh there's a very long list waiting

[61:15] when I get back upstairs. The response

[61:17] was um you know this this is where we

[61:20] are. Does anybody see any prospects for

[61:22] movement on this particular resolution?

[61:25] And uh frankly everybody pretty much

[61:28] accepted that this resolution was uh not

[61:31] going to be a successful one because

[61:34] there was one nation France that had

[61:36] indicated that it would veto it under

[61:38] any set any set of circumstances or any

[61:41] similar resolution is modified uh that

[61:44] would leave a path open to conflict. But

[61:47] we always knew from the very beginning

[61:50] that such a path had to be kept open.

[61:53] And this is what serious consequences

[61:55] meant. And without that path, Saddam

[61:57] Hussein would never comply. And what he

[62:00] was trying to do is just stretch it out.

[62:01] More inspections, more time. Let's

[62:03] delay. Let's let's give a little here,

[62:05] give a little there. Let's see if we can

[62:07] break this consensus. And um with the

[62:11] certainty of a French veto and possibly

[62:14] other vetos, uh this was not the time to

[62:17] have further division within the council

[62:19] by taking this to a vote.

[62:22] >> I got one. Let me Excuse me. Excuse me.

[62:24] Yeah. Mr. Secretary, you seem to imply

[62:26] yesterday in one of the shows that you

[62:27] believe French commercial interests

[62:28] would help drive the position. I'm

[62:30] wondering if you can elaborate on that.

[62:31] And how firm a guarantee do we have that

[62:33] Turkey won't send its troops well into

[62:34] northern Iraq and cause problems with

[62:36] the the Kurds there? I I made the point

[62:39] that they're uh in response to the

[62:41] question that of course they're their

[62:42] commercial interest uh that everybody

[62:44] has to uh consider. Um, and the French

[62:48] have uh for years had difficulties with

[62:53] the inspection regime. And I pointed out

[62:54] in one of the shows yesterday that when

[62:57] you go back to 19 98 in 19 early 1999

[63:02] when the current inspection regime was

[63:04] being developed when UNMOIC was being

[63:07] created after the collapse of the

[63:09] previous inspection regime uh France

[63:11] worked actively for a number of months

[63:14] and our judgment to uh try to weaken

[63:17] that inspection regime. uh and at the

[63:20] end of the day when compromises had been

[63:23] made and everybody thought we had a a

[63:24] good outcome before our time, previous

[63:27] administration, even then France

[63:29] abstained from voting for it. And so uh

[63:33] um that is of concern to us. But in