Nightline (ABC) - 1999-06-04
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[0:01] Well, finally tonight we have a rare
[0:03] delivery at the San Diego Zoo. We want
[0:05] to show you these little fellows.
[0:06] They're known as Chakcoan peckeries.
[0:09] This is a type of swine. The species was
[0:12] endangered is endangered, that is, and
[0:14] was discovered less than 30 years ago.
[0:16] Experts say they are social animals that
[0:18] live in small groups. Their native
[0:20] habitat is the northwest region of
[0:21] Paraguay, Argentina, and Bolivia. Cute
[0:25] little guys.
[0:25] >> No, they're not.
[0:26] >> They They really are. I mean, some
[0:28] things are so ugly they become cute.
[0:30] That's the way I look at it.
[0:31] >> Okay.
[0:32] >> To their mother, they're adorable.
[0:33] That's the important thing.
[0:34] >> Nice. Nice way to cover that. A reminder
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[0:58] night.
[0:58] >> Good night.
[1:04] >> Fisher broadcasting.
[1:11] >> This is a Night Line Friday night
[1:13] special.
[1:15] It was week three of the bombing and no
[1:19] one was convinced that an air campaign
[1:21] alone would bring Mallosvich to his
[1:23] knees. Unless we have a credible threat
[1:26] of a ground offensive, we are most
[1:30] unlikely to defeat the Serbs by trying
[1:34] to bomb them into submission.
[1:36] >> It was a highstakes gamble.
[1:38] >> If NATO fails and the US fails, it means
[1:41] that every pipsqueak Maloich around the
[1:44] world will feel it's a lot easier for
[1:45] him to do what he wants to do because
[1:48] the will isn't there within the NATO
[1:49] alliance or the US. It simply is an
[1:51] invitation to a real mess. And there was
[1:54] talk of another quagmire.
[1:56] >> We never decided in Vietnam, what do we
[1:59] really want to do? How much will it
[2:01] take? And are we prepared to pay that
[2:03] price? We incrementalized all the way
[2:05] through. That's what we're doing again.
[2:07] >> Tonight, bad options revisited. Taking a
[2:10] second look at possible
[2:17] from ABC News.
[2:21] This is Night Line
[2:24] reporting from Washington. Ted CPell.
[2:29] >> It may well be that everything we
[2:32] believe is happening is happening.
[2:35] Slobon Mallosovich may indeed have
[2:37] decided to fold his hand, throw in the
[2:39] cards, cut his losses. Tomorrow, when
[2:42] Serb generals meet with NATO generals
[2:44] somewhere along the Kosovo Macedonian
[2:46] border, expectations may be met. The
[2:49] Serb generals will get their
[2:50] instructions on how to remove their
[2:52] forces from Kosovo. And there is no
[2:55] reason why the process couldn't be
[2:56] underway by Sunday. No reason why
[2:59] British troops expected to be the
[3:01] vanguard of NATO forces moving into
[3:04] Kosovo couldn't begin their deployment
[3:06] by Monday. In a week or so, there is now
[3:10] every reason to hope that Serb troops
[3:12] and paramilitary personnel will be
[3:15] completely out of Kosovo. And the
[3:17] process of establishing camps, clearing
[3:20] minefields, and feeding some of the
[3:22] hundreds of thousands of Kosvar
[3:24] Albanians who've been hiding in the
[3:26] hills and mountains, all of that will be
[3:28] well underway.
[3:30] But that will just be the beginning of
[3:33] the end. There is good reason for
[3:35] appending the adjective cautious to the
[3:38] optimism that has been growing these
[3:40] past 36 hours here in Washington. A
[3:43] little less than two months ago, we had
[3:45] a small town meeting on this broadcast
[3:47] and five guests who took questions and
[3:50] gave their assessment of how difficult
[3:52] it would be to achieve victory in
[3:54] Kosovo. Three of those guests are back
[3:57] with us tonight. Former Secretary of
[3:59] State Larry Eagleberger joins us from
[4:01] his home in Charlottesville, Virginia.
[4:04] Former Secretary of Defense and former
[4:06] CIA Director James Schlesinger is here
[4:08] in our ABC studio in Washington. As is
[4:11] the former national security adviser to
[4:13] President Bush, Lieutenant General Brent
[4:16] Skraftoft.
[4:18] General Skraftoft, you were nice enough
[4:20] to come in here tonight, so I'm going to
[4:21] be nice enough not to play the the
[4:24] videotape of what you said a couple of
[4:26] months ago, but in essence, you
[4:28] suggested that air wars are never
[4:30] sufficient, that bombing alone won't do
[4:33] it. Um, were you wrong?
[4:37] >> I'm happy to say that I was wrong. I
[4:41] think
[4:42] >> why I mean not not why are you happy,
[4:44] but why were you wrong? I was wrong
[4:47] because I believe although with the same
[4:51] caution that you indicated in your
[4:53] opening remarks that uh for whatever
[4:57] reason Mallovich has decided he has had
[5:02] enough. The reasons may be much more
[5:04] complex than simply pain from the
[5:07] bombing but I think that has played a
[5:10] role. Now, are we correct, Secretary
[5:13] Eagleberger, in in hailing this as a
[5:16] victory, or is it the better part of uh
[5:20] of Valley here to sort of hold our fire
[5:22] for a while?
[5:23] >> Well, I you know, assuming Malovich now
[5:26] signs on the dotted line, which seems to
[5:28] be the case, I think uh the
[5:32] administration has reason to say we are
[5:35] we were right when we said bombing would
[5:37] do it. And I also have to defend
[5:39] Skullcraftoft a bit and to say that you
[5:42] know never before has air power done it
[5:44] alone but never before has the world's
[5:47] only superpower bombed the the you know
[5:49] what out of a country of less than 20
[5:52] million people for 7 weeks. So, I'm not
[5:54] sure what we've proved, but we're right,
[5:57] the administration's right to say we've
[5:59] won as far as uh the purpose of the
[6:03] bombing, I suppose, was concerned. But
[6:06] over the longer run, we are still in the
[6:08] middle of a swamp that's going to take
[6:10] us years to crawl out of.
[6:12] >> What I mean, be a little more specific.
[6:14] What do what do you mean by that swamp?
[6:15] Where where where are things likely to
[6:17] go wrong if indeed they do? Well, in the
[6:19] first place, we're going to have those
[6:21] NATO troops in the Kosovo for a very
[6:24] long time. They may well end up
[6:26] defending the Serbs against the Kosvars
[6:29] who are intent on independence and make
[6:31] no bones about it. Uh there is no
[6:35] question, I think, that one of the
[6:36] toughest parts of this agreement to to
[6:39] perform on is going to be the last one,
[6:41] which says disarm the KLA. They're going
[6:44] to have arms hidden in caves all over
[6:46] the country which they're ready to pull
[6:48] out at any time to try to get their
[6:50] independence. Uh those are just a few of
[6:53] the problems that there's another long
[6:55] range problem which is a greater Albania
[6:58] problem including the Kosovo Albania and
[7:02] a large Albanian minority in Macedonia.
[7:05] So those are just a few of the problems
[7:07] that are going to plague us for years to
[7:08] come. Secretary Schlesinger, were were
[7:11] these the right tactics or was it the
[7:14] right strategy for this war? Or does it
[7:17] does it suggest that in the future this
[7:19] may be a valid strategy in other wars?
[7:23] >> Well, uh once again to defend Brent
[7:26] Skraftoft, we must remember that there
[7:29] was a ground offensive. It was conducted
[7:31] not by NATO but by the Ka K KLA and that
[7:35] permitted uh that forced the massing of
[7:38] Serbian troops which then became
[7:40] vulnerable to our aircraft.
[7:43] This uh indeed was a correct tactic. Uh
[7:47] what we have seen is the vast
[7:49] improvement in the capability of air. It
[7:53] probably cannot win in uh on its own
[7:56] unless there is a willingness on the
[7:58] other side to give up. But air is a much
[8:02] more powerful adjunct to ground forces
[8:05] than ever was the case before.
[8:07] >> Let me ask you, General Skraftoft, and
[8:09] pick up on the on the theme that Dr.
[8:11] Schlesinger just uunciated.
[8:14] Uh the KLA really wasn't much of a force
[8:18] until quite recently and only began its
[8:22] offensive within the last couple of
[8:24] weeks. Uh is that really what made the
[8:26] difference in your view?
[8:27] >> I doubt it. I doubt it. I think it uh
[8:31] had some marginal difference and it
[8:34] would have resulted in greater
[8:36] punishment of the Serb troops because
[8:38] they had to leave the covers of barns
[8:40] and so on to to meet the KLA. But uh I I
[8:46] don't think that was basically it. But I
[8:47] would argue that while air power may
[8:50] have done it here that the
[8:52] administration's strategy failed
[8:55] and that is that their strategy
[8:59] I believe from all that they said and
[9:01] from the kinds of forces they started
[9:03] with uh was planning for about a week of
[9:07] bombing after which Mallovich would call
[9:10] uncle. Instead, it turned into a
[9:13] spectacle
[9:15] of us trying to protect some innocent
[9:18] civilians in Kosovo.
[9:21] uh while at the same time we were
[9:24] dealing harshly with a lot of collateral
[9:27] damage to other innocent civilians in
[9:30] Serbia and at the same time jealously
[9:35] protecting every NATO
[9:38] airman from the possibility of being
[9:42] shot down.
[9:43] >> Well, what's wrong with that? I mean,
[9:44] the fact that the fact that this
[9:46] administration in particular and NATO in
[9:49] general can now one hopes go back home
[9:52] and say this war was won without the
[9:55] loss of a single American or any other
[9:59] soldier. There there there were of
[10:01] course those two uh helicopter pilots
[10:03] who were killed in an accident, but not
[10:05] a single soldier, not a single airman,
[10:08] not a single pilot was killed by hostile
[10:11] action. Isn't that a gigantic success?
[10:15] >> Not if you're a Serb.
[10:16] >> Well, I mean, we we didn't want the the
[10:18] Serbs to be successful in this. Was for
[10:21] NATO to win.
[10:21] >> No, we didn't want Mallosvich to be
[10:23] successful. The Serb the Serbs crossing
[10:26] the bridge that was dropped in the
[10:28] middle of the river while they were
[10:30] trying to get to market were no more
[10:33] culpable than the Kosvars which were
[10:36] driven out of Kosovo.
[10:38] >> Well, it's that's an interesting point.
[10:40] I'd like to pick up on it in a moment,
[10:42] but we have to take a short break. We'll
[10:43] be back with our guests in just a
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[13:14] And we're back with former Secretary of
[13:16] State Lawrence Eagleberger, former
[13:18] Defense Secretary James Schlesinger, and
[13:19] former National Security Adviser Brent
[13:21] Skraftoft. Uh, Secretary Eagleberger,
[13:24] when we when we left Brent Skraftoft a
[13:26] couple of minutes ago, uh, he was saying
[13:29] on the one hand, he felt good about no
[13:32] NATO casualties, but felt very bad about
[13:34] those Serbs who were killed who happened
[13:36] to be on the bridge that was bombed. You
[13:37] wanted to make a point on that.
[13:39] >> Yeah. Well, there's a point here and I
[13:41] think Brent is right and but I think it
[13:43] goes much beyond that. I think this war
[13:46] is in danger of telling us something
[13:48] about ourselves that I don't much like
[13:51] it for two reasons. One, I think we have
[13:54] presented to the rest of the world
[13:56] through this sevenweek bombing exercise.
[13:59] >> 10 week
[14:01] >> 10 week whatever.
[14:02] >> Mhm.
[14:02] >> This uh we've presented to the rest of
[14:04] the world the vision of the bully on the
[14:07] block who pushes a button. People out
[14:10] there die. We don't pay anything except
[14:12] the cost of the missile. That's point
[14:13] one. And I think by the way that's going
[14:15] to haunt us in terms of trying to deal
[14:17] with the rest of the world in the years
[14:19] ahead. But the second thing is if we're
[14:21] not careful as Americans, we're going to
[14:24] come to the conclusion that war is a
[14:26] very clean exercise where we flex our
[14:29] muscles, we don't lose a thing, and it
[14:32] is very easy to see these other people
[14:34] being killed by these missiles and to
[14:37] figure, well, that's not that's not nice
[14:39] and it's unfortunate. But we're on the
[14:41] side of right and therefore as long as
[14:43] it doesn't cost us much of anything, we
[14:46] think this is the way we ought to
[14:47] conduct our foreign affairs. And if we
[14:49] fall into that trap, why really shame on
[14:52] us?
[14:52] >> Secretary Schlesinger.
[14:54] >> Well, I agree with that uh those last
[14:56] comments. I think that uh the vision of
[14:59] 600 million people bombing uh 10 million
[15:03] people is not edifying. But let me pick
[15:05] up on what Brent said earlier. Our
[15:08] strategic objective
[15:11] uh in going in was to protect the
[15:13] Kosvars. That was our objective. And in
[15:17] that more profound sense, our strategy
[15:19] failed because a million and a half of
[15:22] the Kosvars were ultimately uprooted. By
[15:25] starting with the bombing, we gave
[15:28] Malassovvich the chance to do the uh
[15:32] accelerated ethnic cleansing which he
[15:35] would not have been able to do if we had
[15:37] had ground forces ready to go in to
[15:40] protect the Kosvars. But the fact of the
[15:43] matter is that the the overall
[15:46] objectives of NATO's credibility,
[15:50] stability in the region, being able to
[15:53] force Mallich back into his cage,
[15:56] degrading the the Yugoslav military.
[15:59] Those have in the final analysis all
[16:02] been met. I mean, you can't judge a war
[16:04] by what goes wrong during the course of
[16:06] the war. You have to judge it by the end
[16:07] result. We we have avoided military
[16:10] failure and we have sustained NATO
[16:13] credibility in that respect. But as
[16:16] Larry Eager indicated, we are in for a
[16:19] very lengthy and very difficult passage
[16:22] ahead. We failed to protect the coast of
[16:25] Oz and we have not created stability in
[16:28] that area. We are likely to see greater
[16:31] instability
[16:32] any time that uh American and NATO
[16:36] troops are not around to impose
[16:38] stability.
[16:39] >> General SCR
[16:40] >> and Ted there are some fine print that
[16:43] we still have to see how it works out.
[16:46] We're we're still a ways from Ram Buouay
[16:49] both in uh forces have to leave Kosovo.
[16:54] What about the KLA?
[16:56] who's going to deal with them and how.
[16:58] Uh NATO was to be the core
[17:02] of an intervention or occupation force.
[17:05] Now it's to be an essential participant,
[17:09] whatever that means.
[17:11] >> Serbs are now to be allowed back in to
[17:15] the Serbian holy places to do demining,
[17:20] uh border patrol. All of these things
[17:23] can each be the subject of horrendous
[17:25] wrangling, if not worse.
[17:27] >> Ted, we we're running the risk here
[17:30] tonight of sounding so pessimistic about
[17:35] this this win that we're going to we're
[17:38] going to lose sight of the essential
[17:39] point. It seems to me, let's give the
[17:41] devil his due. The administration said
[17:44] they would bomb Maloshvich into
[17:46] submission,
[17:47] >> and they have done so. Yep. It took them
[17:50] a lot longer than they said, but they
[17:52] have done so. We all knew, and I hope
[17:54] they knew, and if they don't, they're
[17:55] going to find out that having won in
[17:58] quotes, we have only won a small piece
[18:01] of this thing. And we are there for
[18:03] years to come and all sorts of problems
[18:06] are going to be incumbent upon us to to
[18:09] accomplish something here. But we have
[18:11] won the first stage. It's the rest of it
[18:14] that worries all of us very much.
[18:16] >> Well, I'll tell you what. Let's take a
[18:17] break at this point and then when we
[18:19] come back, let's talk a little about
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[21:15] And back once again with Lawrence
[21:16] Eagleberger, James Schlesinger, and
[21:18] Brent Skraftoft. Secretary Eagleberger,
[21:21] let me begin with you. Is is there any
[21:23] doubt in your mind that the Serbs are
[21:26] going to withdraw their their troops
[21:28] from Kosovo and that NATO forces will be
[21:30] able to replace them?
[21:32] Well, when you're dealing with Malloich,
[21:35] I suppose you always have to have some
[21:37] doubt until the facts occur. But I am
[21:40] reasonably confident that we've now got
[21:43] him to the point where he will withdraw.
[21:45] We one thing we have forgotten here, as
[21:48] much as the bombing succeeded in getting
[21:50] him, I will tell you it seems to me that
[21:52] it is Cherno Miran and the Russians and
[21:55] when they said to Maloshovich, "This is
[21:57] a deal you'd better take." I think that
[22:00] had a lot to do with his acquiescence.
[22:02] >> All right. Whatever whatever it is that
[22:04] caused it, let's at least take it to the
[22:06] next step. Then let us assume that that
[22:08] sometime in the next couple of weeks,
[22:10] >> the the Serbian troops are out of there
[22:12] and the uh the refugees start to come
[22:15] back and NATO has established several
[22:18] camps and and is in there for the long
[22:21] haul. How long aaul, Mr. Schlesinger?
[22:24] Oh, this will be at least four or five
[22:28] years and maybe a more than a decade.
[22:31] This is not this is not a short-term
[22:33] proposition.
[22:34] >> And and when you say four or five years,
[22:37] perhaps more than a decade, they're
[22:39] talking about putting 50,000 troops in
[22:41] there right now. You think it'll take
[22:42] 50,000? That long? uh I think that uh
[22:46] you will be able to reduce that force to
[22:48] 25,000 or 30,000 but it's going to
[22:52] require keeping apart rather hostile
[22:55] forces. It is going to require disarming
[22:59] the KLA which will be a very difficult
[23:02] process as indicated earlier probably an
[23:05] unsuccessful process and that will cause
[23:08] the Russians uh to say that you have
[23:10] agreed to disarm the KA and that we
[23:13] cannot go along with further measures
[23:16] against Serbia until you have lived up
[23:18] to your agreement. We are going to have
[23:21] considerable trouble I think down the
[23:23] road. General Skraftoft Secretary
[23:25] Eagleberger at the top of the broadcast
[23:27] suggested the day may come when we are
[23:29] protecting the Serbs against the
[23:30] Albanians. Uh if if that becomes
[23:34] reality, have we gained anything?
[23:37] >> Uh I think we have. Uh but it it's going
[23:40] to be at the cost of an occupation which
[23:43] could go on. After all, the problem
[23:45] really goes back to the 14th century. Uh
[23:48] and these people trying to live
[23:50] together. Uh it's not going to be over
[23:52] just because we have occupation troops
[23:54] in there. The occupation forces
[23:57] themselves are likely to have problems.
[23:59] The Russians says the Russians say
[24:01] unlike Bosnia, they are not going to
[24:03] serve under anyone else's command there.
[24:06] Uh we could have all sorts of messy,
[24:11] complicated circumstances with Kosvar
[24:14] shooting at Serbs, blaming it on the
[24:16] Serbs, uh with uh uh mixups between our
[24:21] troops, trying to keep things straight.
[24:23] It it may not be pleasant.
[24:25] >> And and where do you think it goes from
[24:28] here in terms of regional stability?
[24:30] That after all was uh was one of our
[24:33] principal goals for getting involved
[24:35] here in the first place.
[24:36] >> Yeah. You were optimistic maybe about
[24:39] the Kosvars going back into Kosovo. If
[24:42] they stay refugees, you could easily
[24:44] have destabilization
[24:46] as winter comes on and so on in
[24:48] Macedonia. If Macedonia starts to fall
[24:51] apart, you could have the involvement of
[24:54] a number of different states from the
[24:56] Balkan area. Any particular reason,
[24:58] Secretary Schlesinger, why why the
[25:00] Kosvar Albanians who are now in
[25:02] Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania wouldn't
[25:05] want to go back to Kosovo?
[25:06] >> Their houses have been burned. There is
[25:08] little food there at the moment. They
[25:10] will be unable to plant their crops this
[25:13] year. uh they may not rely on our
[25:16] feeding them and that they will be sus
[25:19] uh suspicious that uh Melasovich who
[25:23] will retain sovereignty over Kosovo
[25:26] cannot be uh relied upon irrespective of
[25:30] the NATO uh involvement.
[25:32] >> Let's just let's just spend the last
[25:34] couple of minutes talking about Melvich.
[25:36] Secretary Eagleberger quite a while ago
[25:39] you you called him a war criminal. uh
[25:41] that has now been borne out by the
[25:43] indictment that's been leveled against
[25:44] him. Um it it sounds to me as though
[25:48] NATO is trying to achieve at least one
[25:51] other goal. Uh and that is by saying
[25:53] that there will not be any economic
[25:55] support for Yugoslavia as long as
[25:58] Mallosvich remains president. Uh they're
[26:01] trying to increase the pressure on him
[26:03] to step down. You think that'll work? I
[26:05] have my doubts, Ted, but if the strain
[26:09] in Serbia goes on long enough in terms
[26:12] of no repair to their economy, it may
[26:15] end up that he leaves. But what worries
[26:17] me at least as much as anything else is
[26:20] that if he leaves, we're likely to find
[26:22] that the successor is even worse than he
[26:24] is. I don't see anyone on the horizon
[26:27] there who is going to be better than
[26:30] Malloich. And that's not saying anything
[26:32] nice, I admit. I'm not trying to defend
[26:34] Malloich, but I don't see anything that
[26:38] leads me to believe we're going to have
[26:40] a nice nice neat democratic Serbia in a
[26:44] very short period of time. I don't
[26:46] believe it.
[26:46] >> If the bridges are not repaired, if the
[26:49] Danube continues to be blocked, this
[26:52] will be costly to Romania, to Hungary,
[26:54] to other nations in the region. And we
[26:57] will not be encouraging the regional
[26:59] stability to which you earlier referred.
[27:02] General Skraftoft, we've got about 30
[27:04] seconds. You got the last word.
[27:05] >> There are democratic forces in Serbia.
[27:07] There's no question about it. But it is
[27:09] not going to be a climate where being
[27:12] friendly to the Americans and to NATO
[27:14] will be popular with the Serbian people
[27:16] for a long, long time.
[27:18] >> Gentlemen, I thank you very much.
[27:20] General Skraftoft, Secretary
[27:22] Schlesinger, Secretary Eagleberger, good
[27:24] of you all to come in and and join us
[27:26] again tonight. Thank you very much. I'll
[27:28] be back in a moment.
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