Nightline (ABC) - 1999-06-04

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[0:01] Well, finally tonight we have a rare

[0:03] delivery at the San Diego Zoo. We want

[0:05] to show you these little fellows.

[0:06] They're known as Chakcoan peckeries.

[0:09] This is a type of swine. The species was

[0:12] endangered is endangered, that is, and

[0:14] was discovered less than 30 years ago.

[0:16] Experts say they are social animals that

[0:18] live in small groups. Their native

[0:20] habitat is the northwest region of

[0:21] Paraguay, Argentina, and Bolivia. Cute

[0:25] little guys.

[0:25] >> No, they're not.

[0:26] >> They They really are. I mean, some

[0:28] things are so ugly they become cute.

[0:30] That's the way I look at it.

[0:31] >> Okay.

[0:32] >> To their mother, they're adorable.

[0:33] That's the important thing.

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[0:58] night.

[0:58] >> Good night.

[1:04] >> Fisher broadcasting.

[1:11] >> This is a Night Line Friday night

[1:13] special.

[1:15] It was week three of the bombing and no

[1:19] one was convinced that an air campaign

[1:21] alone would bring Mallosvich to his

[1:23] knees. Unless we have a credible threat

[1:26] of a ground offensive, we are most

[1:30] unlikely to defeat the Serbs by trying

[1:34] to bomb them into submission.

[1:36] >> It was a highstakes gamble.

[1:38] >> If NATO fails and the US fails, it means

[1:41] that every pipsqueak Maloich around the

[1:44] world will feel it's a lot easier for

[1:45] him to do what he wants to do because

[1:48] the will isn't there within the NATO

[1:49] alliance or the US. It simply is an

[1:51] invitation to a real mess. And there was

[1:54] talk of another quagmire.

[1:56] >> We never decided in Vietnam, what do we

[1:59] really want to do? How much will it

[2:01] take? And are we prepared to pay that

[2:03] price? We incrementalized all the way

[2:05] through. That's what we're doing again.

[2:07] >> Tonight, bad options revisited. Taking a

[2:10] second look at possible

[2:17] from ABC News.

[2:21] This is Night Line

[2:24] reporting from Washington. Ted CPell.

[2:29] >> It may well be that everything we

[2:32] believe is happening is happening.

[2:35] Slobon Mallosovich may indeed have

[2:37] decided to fold his hand, throw in the

[2:39] cards, cut his losses. Tomorrow, when

[2:42] Serb generals meet with NATO generals

[2:44] somewhere along the Kosovo Macedonian

[2:46] border, expectations may be met. The

[2:49] Serb generals will get their

[2:50] instructions on how to remove their

[2:52] forces from Kosovo. And there is no

[2:55] reason why the process couldn't be

[2:56] underway by Sunday. No reason why

[2:59] British troops expected to be the

[3:01] vanguard of NATO forces moving into

[3:04] Kosovo couldn't begin their deployment

[3:06] by Monday. In a week or so, there is now

[3:10] every reason to hope that Serb troops

[3:12] and paramilitary personnel will be

[3:15] completely out of Kosovo. And the

[3:17] process of establishing camps, clearing

[3:20] minefields, and feeding some of the

[3:22] hundreds of thousands of Kosvar

[3:24] Albanians who've been hiding in the

[3:26] hills and mountains, all of that will be

[3:28] well underway.

[3:30] But that will just be the beginning of

[3:33] the end. There is good reason for

[3:35] appending the adjective cautious to the

[3:38] optimism that has been growing these

[3:40] past 36 hours here in Washington. A

[3:43] little less than two months ago, we had

[3:45] a small town meeting on this broadcast

[3:47] and five guests who took questions and

[3:50] gave their assessment of how difficult

[3:52] it would be to achieve victory in

[3:54] Kosovo. Three of those guests are back

[3:57] with us tonight. Former Secretary of

[3:59] State Larry Eagleberger joins us from

[4:01] his home in Charlottesville, Virginia.

[4:04] Former Secretary of Defense and former

[4:06] CIA Director James Schlesinger is here

[4:08] in our ABC studio in Washington. As is

[4:11] the former national security adviser to

[4:13] President Bush, Lieutenant General Brent

[4:16] Skraftoft.

[4:18] General Skraftoft, you were nice enough

[4:20] to come in here tonight, so I'm going to

[4:21] be nice enough not to play the the

[4:24] videotape of what you said a couple of

[4:26] months ago, but in essence, you

[4:28] suggested that air wars are never

[4:30] sufficient, that bombing alone won't do

[4:33] it. Um, were you wrong?

[4:37] >> I'm happy to say that I was wrong. I

[4:41] think

[4:42] >> why I mean not not why are you happy,

[4:44] but why were you wrong? I was wrong

[4:47] because I believe although with the same

[4:51] caution that you indicated in your

[4:53] opening remarks that uh for whatever

[4:57] reason Mallovich has decided he has had

[5:02] enough. The reasons may be much more

[5:04] complex than simply pain from the

[5:07] bombing but I think that has played a

[5:10] role. Now, are we correct, Secretary

[5:13] Eagleberger, in in hailing this as a

[5:16] victory, or is it the better part of uh

[5:20] of Valley here to sort of hold our fire

[5:22] for a while?

[5:23] >> Well, I you know, assuming Malovich now

[5:26] signs on the dotted line, which seems to

[5:28] be the case, I think uh the

[5:32] administration has reason to say we are

[5:35] we were right when we said bombing would

[5:37] do it. And I also have to defend

[5:39] Skullcraftoft a bit and to say that you

[5:42] know never before has air power done it

[5:44] alone but never before has the world's

[5:47] only superpower bombed the the you know

[5:49] what out of a country of less than 20

[5:52] million people for 7 weeks. So, I'm not

[5:54] sure what we've proved, but we're right,

[5:57] the administration's right to say we've

[5:59] won as far as uh the purpose of the

[6:03] bombing, I suppose, was concerned. But

[6:06] over the longer run, we are still in the

[6:08] middle of a swamp that's going to take

[6:10] us years to crawl out of.

[6:12] >> What I mean, be a little more specific.

[6:14] What do what do you mean by that swamp?

[6:15] Where where where are things likely to

[6:17] go wrong if indeed they do? Well, in the

[6:19] first place, we're going to have those

[6:21] NATO troops in the Kosovo for a very

[6:24] long time. They may well end up

[6:26] defending the Serbs against the Kosvars

[6:29] who are intent on independence and make

[6:31] no bones about it. Uh there is no

[6:35] question, I think, that one of the

[6:36] toughest parts of this agreement to to

[6:39] perform on is going to be the last one,

[6:41] which says disarm the KLA. They're going

[6:44] to have arms hidden in caves all over

[6:46] the country which they're ready to pull

[6:48] out at any time to try to get their

[6:50] independence. Uh those are just a few of

[6:53] the problems that there's another long

[6:55] range problem which is a greater Albania

[6:58] problem including the Kosovo Albania and

[7:02] a large Albanian minority in Macedonia.

[7:05] So those are just a few of the problems

[7:07] that are going to plague us for years to

[7:08] come. Secretary Schlesinger, were were

[7:11] these the right tactics or was it the

[7:14] right strategy for this war? Or does it

[7:17] does it suggest that in the future this

[7:19] may be a valid strategy in other wars?

[7:23] >> Well, uh once again to defend Brent

[7:26] Skraftoft, we must remember that there

[7:29] was a ground offensive. It was conducted

[7:31] not by NATO but by the Ka K KLA and that

[7:35] permitted uh that forced the massing of

[7:38] Serbian troops which then became

[7:40] vulnerable to our aircraft.

[7:43] This uh indeed was a correct tactic. Uh

[7:47] what we have seen is the vast

[7:49] improvement in the capability of air. It

[7:53] probably cannot win in uh on its own

[7:56] unless there is a willingness on the

[7:58] other side to give up. But air is a much

[8:02] more powerful adjunct to ground forces

[8:05] than ever was the case before.

[8:07] >> Let me ask you, General Skraftoft, and

[8:09] pick up on the on the theme that Dr.

[8:11] Schlesinger just uunciated.

[8:14] Uh the KLA really wasn't much of a force

[8:18] until quite recently and only began its

[8:22] offensive within the last couple of

[8:24] weeks. Uh is that really what made the

[8:26] difference in your view?

[8:27] >> I doubt it. I doubt it. I think it uh

[8:31] had some marginal difference and it

[8:34] would have resulted in greater

[8:36] punishment of the Serb troops because

[8:38] they had to leave the covers of barns

[8:40] and so on to to meet the KLA. But uh I I

[8:46] don't think that was basically it. But I

[8:47] would argue that while air power may

[8:50] have done it here that the

[8:52] administration's strategy failed

[8:55] and that is that their strategy

[8:59] I believe from all that they said and

[9:01] from the kinds of forces they started

[9:03] with uh was planning for about a week of

[9:07] bombing after which Mallovich would call

[9:10] uncle. Instead, it turned into a

[9:13] spectacle

[9:15] of us trying to protect some innocent

[9:18] civilians in Kosovo.

[9:21] uh while at the same time we were

[9:24] dealing harshly with a lot of collateral

[9:27] damage to other innocent civilians in

[9:30] Serbia and at the same time jealously

[9:35] protecting every NATO

[9:38] airman from the possibility of being

[9:42] shot down.

[9:43] >> Well, what's wrong with that? I mean,

[9:44] the fact that the fact that this

[9:46] administration in particular and NATO in

[9:49] general can now one hopes go back home

[9:52] and say this war was won without the

[9:55] loss of a single American or any other

[9:59] soldier. There there there were of

[10:01] course those two uh helicopter pilots

[10:03] who were killed in an accident, but not

[10:05] a single soldier, not a single airman,

[10:08] not a single pilot was killed by hostile

[10:11] action. Isn't that a gigantic success?

[10:15] >> Not if you're a Serb.

[10:16] >> Well, I mean, we we didn't want the the

[10:18] Serbs to be successful in this. Was for

[10:21] NATO to win.

[10:21] >> No, we didn't want Mallosvich to be

[10:23] successful. The Serb the Serbs crossing

[10:26] the bridge that was dropped in the

[10:28] middle of the river while they were

[10:30] trying to get to market were no more

[10:33] culpable than the Kosvars which were

[10:36] driven out of Kosovo.

[10:38] >> Well, it's that's an interesting point.

[10:40] I'd like to pick up on it in a moment,

[10:42] but we have to take a short break. We'll

[10:43] be back with our guests in just a

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[13:14] And we're back with former Secretary of

[13:16] State Lawrence Eagleberger, former

[13:18] Defense Secretary James Schlesinger, and

[13:19] former National Security Adviser Brent

[13:21] Skraftoft. Uh, Secretary Eagleberger,

[13:24] when we when we left Brent Skraftoft a

[13:26] couple of minutes ago, uh, he was saying

[13:29] on the one hand, he felt good about no

[13:32] NATO casualties, but felt very bad about

[13:34] those Serbs who were killed who happened

[13:36] to be on the bridge that was bombed. You

[13:37] wanted to make a point on that.

[13:39] >> Yeah. Well, there's a point here and I

[13:41] think Brent is right and but I think it

[13:43] goes much beyond that. I think this war

[13:46] is in danger of telling us something

[13:48] about ourselves that I don't much like

[13:51] it for two reasons. One, I think we have

[13:54] presented to the rest of the world

[13:56] through this sevenweek bombing exercise.

[13:59] >> 10 week

[14:01] >> 10 week whatever.

[14:02] >> Mhm.

[14:02] >> This uh we've presented to the rest of

[14:04] the world the vision of the bully on the

[14:07] block who pushes a button. People out

[14:10] there die. We don't pay anything except

[14:12] the cost of the missile. That's point

[14:13] one. And I think by the way that's going

[14:15] to haunt us in terms of trying to deal

[14:17] with the rest of the world in the years

[14:19] ahead. But the second thing is if we're

[14:21] not careful as Americans, we're going to

[14:24] come to the conclusion that war is a

[14:26] very clean exercise where we flex our

[14:29] muscles, we don't lose a thing, and it

[14:32] is very easy to see these other people

[14:34] being killed by these missiles and to

[14:37] figure, well, that's not that's not nice

[14:39] and it's unfortunate. But we're on the

[14:41] side of right and therefore as long as

[14:43] it doesn't cost us much of anything, we

[14:46] think this is the way we ought to

[14:47] conduct our foreign affairs. And if we

[14:49] fall into that trap, why really shame on

[14:52] us?

[14:52] >> Secretary Schlesinger.

[14:54] >> Well, I agree with that uh those last

[14:56] comments. I think that uh the vision of

[14:59] 600 million people bombing uh 10 million

[15:03] people is not edifying. But let me pick

[15:05] up on what Brent said earlier. Our

[15:08] strategic objective

[15:11] uh in going in was to protect the

[15:13] Kosvars. That was our objective. And in

[15:17] that more profound sense, our strategy

[15:19] failed because a million and a half of

[15:22] the Kosvars were ultimately uprooted. By

[15:25] starting with the bombing, we gave

[15:28] Malassovvich the chance to do the uh

[15:32] accelerated ethnic cleansing which he

[15:35] would not have been able to do if we had

[15:37] had ground forces ready to go in to

[15:40] protect the Kosvars. But the fact of the

[15:43] matter is that the the overall

[15:46] objectives of NATO's credibility,

[15:50] stability in the region, being able to

[15:53] force Mallich back into his cage,

[15:56] degrading the the Yugoslav military.

[15:59] Those have in the final analysis all

[16:02] been met. I mean, you can't judge a war

[16:04] by what goes wrong during the course of

[16:06] the war. You have to judge it by the end

[16:07] result. We we have avoided military

[16:10] failure and we have sustained NATO

[16:13] credibility in that respect. But as

[16:16] Larry Eager indicated, we are in for a

[16:19] very lengthy and very difficult passage

[16:22] ahead. We failed to protect the coast of

[16:25] Oz and we have not created stability in

[16:28] that area. We are likely to see greater

[16:31] instability

[16:32] any time that uh American and NATO

[16:36] troops are not around to impose

[16:38] stability.

[16:39] >> General SCR

[16:40] >> and Ted there are some fine print that

[16:43] we still have to see how it works out.

[16:46] We're we're still a ways from Ram Buouay

[16:49] both in uh forces have to leave Kosovo.

[16:54] What about the KLA?

[16:56] who's going to deal with them and how.

[16:58] Uh NATO was to be the core

[17:02] of an intervention or occupation force.

[17:05] Now it's to be an essential participant,

[17:09] whatever that means.

[17:11] >> Serbs are now to be allowed back in to

[17:15] the Serbian holy places to do demining,

[17:20] uh border patrol. All of these things

[17:23] can each be the subject of horrendous

[17:25] wrangling, if not worse.

[17:27] >> Ted, we we're running the risk here

[17:30] tonight of sounding so pessimistic about

[17:35] this this win that we're going to we're

[17:38] going to lose sight of the essential

[17:39] point. It seems to me, let's give the

[17:41] devil his due. The administration said

[17:44] they would bomb Maloshvich into

[17:46] submission,

[17:47] >> and they have done so. Yep. It took them

[17:50] a lot longer than they said, but they

[17:52] have done so. We all knew, and I hope

[17:54] they knew, and if they don't, they're

[17:55] going to find out that having won in

[17:58] quotes, we have only won a small piece

[18:01] of this thing. And we are there for

[18:03] years to come and all sorts of problems

[18:06] are going to be incumbent upon us to to

[18:09] accomplish something here. But we have

[18:11] won the first stage. It's the rest of it

[18:14] that worries all of us very much.

[18:16] >> Well, I'll tell you what. Let's take a

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[21:15] And back once again with Lawrence

[21:16] Eagleberger, James Schlesinger, and

[21:18] Brent Skraftoft. Secretary Eagleberger,

[21:21] let me begin with you. Is is there any

[21:23] doubt in your mind that the Serbs are

[21:26] going to withdraw their their troops

[21:28] from Kosovo and that NATO forces will be

[21:30] able to replace them?

[21:32] Well, when you're dealing with Malloich,

[21:35] I suppose you always have to have some

[21:37] doubt until the facts occur. But I am

[21:40] reasonably confident that we've now got

[21:43] him to the point where he will withdraw.

[21:45] We one thing we have forgotten here, as

[21:48] much as the bombing succeeded in getting

[21:50] him, I will tell you it seems to me that

[21:52] it is Cherno Miran and the Russians and

[21:55] when they said to Maloshovich, "This is

[21:57] a deal you'd better take." I think that

[22:00] had a lot to do with his acquiescence.

[22:02] >> All right. Whatever whatever it is that

[22:04] caused it, let's at least take it to the

[22:06] next step. Then let us assume that that

[22:08] sometime in the next couple of weeks,

[22:10] >> the the Serbian troops are out of there

[22:12] and the uh the refugees start to come

[22:15] back and NATO has established several

[22:18] camps and and is in there for the long

[22:21] haul. How long aaul, Mr. Schlesinger?

[22:24] Oh, this will be at least four or five

[22:28] years and maybe a more than a decade.

[22:31] This is not this is not a short-term

[22:33] proposition.

[22:34] >> And and when you say four or five years,

[22:37] perhaps more than a decade, they're

[22:39] talking about putting 50,000 troops in

[22:41] there right now. You think it'll take

[22:42] 50,000? That long? uh I think that uh

[22:46] you will be able to reduce that force to

[22:48] 25,000 or 30,000 but it's going to

[22:52] require keeping apart rather hostile

[22:55] forces. It is going to require disarming

[22:59] the KLA which will be a very difficult

[23:02] process as indicated earlier probably an

[23:05] unsuccessful process and that will cause

[23:08] the Russians uh to say that you have

[23:10] agreed to disarm the KA and that we

[23:13] cannot go along with further measures

[23:16] against Serbia until you have lived up

[23:18] to your agreement. We are going to have

[23:21] considerable trouble I think down the

[23:23] road. General Skraftoft Secretary

[23:25] Eagleberger at the top of the broadcast

[23:27] suggested the day may come when we are

[23:29] protecting the Serbs against the

[23:30] Albanians. Uh if if that becomes

[23:34] reality, have we gained anything?

[23:37] >> Uh I think we have. Uh but it it's going

[23:40] to be at the cost of an occupation which

[23:43] could go on. After all, the problem

[23:45] really goes back to the 14th century. Uh

[23:48] and these people trying to live

[23:50] together. Uh it's not going to be over

[23:52] just because we have occupation troops

[23:54] in there. The occupation forces

[23:57] themselves are likely to have problems.

[23:59] The Russians says the Russians say

[24:01] unlike Bosnia, they are not going to

[24:03] serve under anyone else's command there.

[24:06] Uh we could have all sorts of messy,

[24:11] complicated circumstances with Kosvar

[24:14] shooting at Serbs, blaming it on the

[24:16] Serbs, uh with uh uh mixups between our

[24:21] troops, trying to keep things straight.

[24:23] It it may not be pleasant.

[24:25] >> And and where do you think it goes from

[24:28] here in terms of regional stability?

[24:30] That after all was uh was one of our

[24:33] principal goals for getting involved

[24:35] here in the first place.

[24:36] >> Yeah. You were optimistic maybe about

[24:39] the Kosvars going back into Kosovo. If

[24:42] they stay refugees, you could easily

[24:44] have destabilization

[24:46] as winter comes on and so on in

[24:48] Macedonia. If Macedonia starts to fall

[24:51] apart, you could have the involvement of

[24:54] a number of different states from the

[24:56] Balkan area. Any particular reason,

[24:58] Secretary Schlesinger, why why the

[25:00] Kosvar Albanians who are now in

[25:02] Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania wouldn't

[25:05] want to go back to Kosovo?

[25:06] >> Their houses have been burned. There is

[25:08] little food there at the moment. They

[25:10] will be unable to plant their crops this

[25:13] year. uh they may not rely on our

[25:16] feeding them and that they will be sus

[25:19] uh suspicious that uh Melasovich who

[25:23] will retain sovereignty over Kosovo

[25:26] cannot be uh relied upon irrespective of

[25:30] the NATO uh involvement.

[25:32] >> Let's just let's just spend the last

[25:34] couple of minutes talking about Melvich.

[25:36] Secretary Eagleberger quite a while ago

[25:39] you you called him a war criminal. uh

[25:41] that has now been borne out by the

[25:43] indictment that's been leveled against

[25:44] him. Um it it sounds to me as though

[25:48] NATO is trying to achieve at least one

[25:51] other goal. Uh and that is by saying

[25:53] that there will not be any economic

[25:55] support for Yugoslavia as long as

[25:58] Mallosvich remains president. Uh they're

[26:01] trying to increase the pressure on him

[26:03] to step down. You think that'll work? I

[26:05] have my doubts, Ted, but if the strain

[26:09] in Serbia goes on long enough in terms

[26:12] of no repair to their economy, it may

[26:15] end up that he leaves. But what worries

[26:17] me at least as much as anything else is

[26:20] that if he leaves, we're likely to find

[26:22] that the successor is even worse than he

[26:24] is. I don't see anyone on the horizon

[26:27] there who is going to be better than

[26:30] Malloich. And that's not saying anything

[26:32] nice, I admit. I'm not trying to defend

[26:34] Malloich, but I don't see anything that

[26:38] leads me to believe we're going to have

[26:40] a nice nice neat democratic Serbia in a

[26:44] very short period of time. I don't

[26:46] believe it.

[26:46] >> If the bridges are not repaired, if the

[26:49] Danube continues to be blocked, this

[26:52] will be costly to Romania, to Hungary,

[26:54] to other nations in the region. And we

[26:57] will not be encouraging the regional

[26:59] stability to which you earlier referred.

[27:02] General Skraftoft, we've got about 30

[27:04] seconds. You got the last word.

[27:05] >> There are democratic forces in Serbia.

[27:07] There's no question about it. But it is

[27:09] not going to be a climate where being

[27:12] friendly to the Americans and to NATO

[27:14] will be popular with the Serbian people

[27:16] for a long, long time.

[27:18] >> Gentlemen, I thank you very much.

[27:20] General Skraftoft, Secretary

[27:22] Schlesinger, Secretary Eagleberger, good

[27:24] of you all to come in and and join us

[27:26] again tonight. Thank you very much. I'll

[27:28] be back in a moment.

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