The David Samorano Show Ep. 8 - Officer Jesse Main
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[2:13] Good morning everybody. I don't have
[2:20] Anyway, yeah, we got There we go. I
[2:22] still don't hear myself, but I'm going
[2:23] to keep going. Good morning, everybody.
[2:25] Welcome to the David Srono Show here on
[2:26] the Live the Dream Media Network. I'm
[2:29] excited for today's guest. We're jumping
[2:31] in. We're we're doing a national show
[2:33] today. We're bringing on a guest from
[2:35] the East Coast and it is going to be
[2:38] a great learning experience. I'm excited
[2:41] to bring on Jesse, Officer Jesse Mine of
[2:43] the York County Regional Police
[2:44] Department in Pennsylvania and his
[2:46] four-legged partner, K9 Tango. Tango is
[2:49] an electronic storage detection dog
[2:52] trained to sniff out hidden digital
[2:53] devices like thumb drives, SD cards,
[2:56] phones, and hard drives that can hold
[2:57] critical evidence in human trafficking
[3:00] and child sexual abuse material cases.
[3:03] Working alongside the Internet Crimes
[3:06] Against Children Task Force, Officer
[3:07] Maine and Tango help investigators
[3:10] uncover what others might miss, bringing
[3:13] offenders to justice and protecting the
[3:16] most vulnerable among us. So, Officer
[3:19] Jesse Mine and I met in Washington DC
[3:22] when I was there for a conference with
[3:23] the Crimestoppers organization, ADA
[3:25] Crime, that I I volunteer on the board.
[3:28] And I saw his presentation. I said, "You
[3:30] know what? We need to get this on one of
[3:32] our shows because I did not know that
[3:36] the dogs being trained for this, they
[3:39] they were they even existed. I mean,
[3:41] it's really really cool. I've always
[3:42] heard of dogs that can find like, you
[3:43] know, explosive devices and and other
[3:46] things, drugs
[3:48] and and whatnot. But when it comes to
[3:50] storage devices, I thought it was a
[3:52] trip. And you know, officer officer
[3:54] Maine's going to get into how Tango was
[3:56] trained, who he was trained by, and how
[3:59] he picks up on on Officer Tango picks up
[4:02] on these storage devices. So, it's it's
[4:05] going to be great. Before we get into
[4:06] that, we got to talk about this wind.
[4:08] So, I'm driving down Old Father on the
[4:10] way here to the studio, and I noticed in
[4:12] the road roofing shingles. So, somebody
[4:16] is going to need some roof work and uh
[4:19] Blueprint Home Services, Blue Blueprint
[4:22] Roofing and Solar is a great option.
[4:24] Daniel Romero, he's one of our neighbors
[4:26] here in the complex and he's one of our
[4:28] advertisers. So, if you're listening or
[4:30] watching and you and you know your roof
[4:32] is taking a beating with these winds, by
[4:34] all means, contact Daniel and his team.
[4:37] I don't know if I've ever seen
[4:40] wind that's just sustained a beating. Uh
[4:45] so last night after I got home from the
[4:47] pumpkin patch, I I went in the backyard
[4:49] and I started securing all the stuff
[4:51] that we have that could fly around
[4:52] because I had I had started seeing the
[4:54] news post about this pretty often and
[4:56] I'm like, "Okay, this is this is going
[4:58] to be legit." Like, it's I think this is
[5:00] going to be the real deal. And they
[5:01] weren't kidding. I mean, it is so windy
[5:04] outside. You can barely see anything.
[5:07] Trees are whipping around. Um, I've
[5:10] heard stuff flying
[5:12] by the house, you know, maybe people's
[5:14] trampolines
[5:16] and [laughter]
[5:17] whatever else they didn't secure. I have
[5:19] heard stuff banging and flying around
[5:21] and every time I look, I'm like, was
[5:23] that RSO about B? So, started about like
[5:25] 4 in the morning, I started hearing all
[5:27] these noises and I'm looking out and
[5:30] it's dark and so I can't really see
[5:31] anything, but I can hear stuff flying.
[5:33] So, I went downstairs to make sure that
[5:34] none of the stuff I had thought I
[5:36] secured was flying away, and it appeared
[5:38] to be it appeared to be good. So, be
[5:41] careful out there if you're try if
[5:42] you're traveling. I can't imagine what
[5:44] the freeways look like right now,
[5:46] especially going up to Phoenix. And just
[5:49] be cautious about what's going on.
[5:51] High-profile vehicle vehicles, that's
[5:53] always that's always a challenge. So,
[5:55] really pay attention to what's going on.
[5:57] I can't wait to jump into some of these
[5:59] news stories I have after the interview
[6:02] with Jesse Mine. I've got a couple I
[6:03] really want to talk about. Some of them,
[6:05] you know, they're they're just funny.
[6:07] And uh again, the news the news that's
[6:12] not really news, you know, I I I get it.
[6:14] Some people send stuff in and they're
[6:16] like, "Hey, can you can you give this
[6:18] thing some airtime?"
[6:20] Whatever it may be. Um
[6:24] it it's Yeah, it's going to be on that
[6:25] link, Tony. Sorry, I sent him that link
[6:27] right there. He'll be popping in
[6:29] shortly.
[6:30] The the news stories just kind of blow
[6:32] me away and I I I think you're going to
[6:33] go, "What in the heck?" You got to you
[6:36] got to spin them all with humor, though,
[6:37] because that's the only only way to get
[6:39] through them. But hey, you know, during
[6:40] the interview today with Officer Mine,
[6:42] if you find yourself wanting to ask
[6:43] questions about the dog and and some
[6:45] other stuff, I by all means ask away.
[6:47] You know, this is an opportunity that I
[6:50] also get because during the conference,
[6:51] you know, you you get the presentation
[6:53] of what he has time for. or so and I
[6:55] think it was only maybe half an hour or
[6:57] an hour and uh he had Tango with him and
[7:00] he showed us you officer Tango working
[7:03] but we're here to learn on this one for
[7:06] sure. So once officer Maine gets in here
[7:09] we will uh we will bring him on. In the
[7:12] meantime we will uh we'll jump to one of
[7:14] these stories that is just uh related to
[7:18] you know we were talking about I was at
[7:19] the Crimes Stoppers conference. So, a
[7:21] reward of up to $4,000 is being offered
[7:24] for information that could help solve a
[7:25] Tucson homicide from more than a decade
[7:27] ago. Tucson police say Isaldo Raul
[7:30] Vargas was shot outside of his house
[7:31] near 19th Street and 10th Avenue in
[7:34] January of 2014. Investigators say a
[7:38] dark colored SUV similar to a Dodge
[7:40] Durango or Chevy Blazer drove toward him
[7:43] and fired multiple shots. Vargas died
[7:46] from his injuries several days later.
[7:48] Anyone with information is asked to call
[7:52] 88 crime where you can remain anonymous.
[7:55] So I encourage you if you have any
[7:56] information on that case, please reach
[7:58] out. It's a cold case from 2014 and you
[8:02] know solving solving giving closure to
[8:04] families and stuff is important. Now I
[8:06] see uh Officer Maine has joined us here
[8:09] on the show and without further ado,
[8:13] let's turn it over
[8:15] from the York County Regional Police
[8:18] Department. How you doing this morning,
[8:19] Jesse?
[8:20] >> Hey, Dave. How are you? Good morning.
[8:22] >> I'm good, man. I'm good. Thanks for
[8:24] joining me.
[8:25] >> Connection. All right.
[8:26] >> Yeah, it looks great. Everything's good,
[8:28] you know, and it's Welcome from the East
[8:30] Coast, sir.
[8:32] >> Thank you. Yep. Thanks. I had I got to
[8:35] probably sleep a little longer than you
[8:36] this morning.
[8:37] >> Yeah. Yeah. It you know, I'm I'm up
[8:40] early most mornings just out of
[8:42] necessity, so I'm I'm kind of used to
[8:44] it. That's why my hair's gone. I
[8:46] actually had hair while I sleep.
[8:48] >> [laughter]
[8:49] >> So, hey, Officer Man, give us a rundown
[8:51] of of your career and how you end up
[8:54] with a K-9 like tango.
[8:58] >> Yeah, he's uh he is in the room with me.
[8:59] He's laying on the floor right now. I'll
[9:00] have to pop him up in the camera here at
[9:03] some point. Um so, I've been with York
[9:06] County Regional Police since the since I
[9:07] started my career. I've been there 10
[9:09] years now. Um about half my career I
[9:13] have been uh part of the Internet Crimes
[9:14] Against Children Task Force. So, a
[9:16] little over five years, but half my
[9:17] career I've been part of that um that
[9:19] task force in Pennsylvania. Every state
[9:21] across the United States has uh a very
[9:23] similar task force that that
[9:25] investigates crimes like that. Um back
[9:27] in the early part of my career, I always
[9:29] knew uh even before I became a police
[9:32] officer, when I knew I wanted to do this
[9:33] work, uh I always kind of wanted to be
[9:35] involved in K9 and have a dog in my
[9:38] career at some point. So, I had uh put
[9:40] in for that, you know, thought through
[9:42] our chain of command requested to to do
[9:45] K9 work with them and
[9:48] it took um a little bit of time just to
[9:50] be selected for it. We didn't have
[9:52] canines at the time. We had them years
[9:54] prior, but we were we didn't have them.
[9:56] So, it just took a little bit of time to
[9:57] get the unit, you know, up and running
[9:59] again. Um I was actually didn't even
[10:01] know about these types of dogs at the
[10:02] time. They were still very rare. Um, and
[10:05] when I was putting in for K9, you know,
[10:07] I was thinking that, you know, I was
[10:08] going to get a patrol dog or a drug dog
[10:10] or a bomb dog, something like that. You
[10:12] know, uh, my chief of police ended up
[10:14] uh, offering me or showing me this
[10:16] electronics canine um,
[10:19] company that that trains these dogs.
[10:21] And, uh, I knew nothing about it, you
[10:23] know what I mean? I had to do research
[10:24] at the time on it and what it was. It
[10:26] was new. We all had to do research. was
[10:27] they were again still pretty new early
[10:30] on in their uh kind of in their time of
[10:33] g getting put out in the United States.
[10:35] Um and then I just got selected for it
[10:37] and due to the work he does is that's
[10:39] when I had um started my time in the
[10:41] internet crimes against children task
[10:42] force and had been doing like I said
[10:44] been doing that for a little over five
[10:46] years now. So me and him he's been me
[10:48] and him joined the task force the exact
[10:50] same time together. So
[10:51] >> that's really cool. So, what let's go
[10:54] over Tango at the breed age and and how
[10:57] long.
[10:57] >> Yeah.
[10:58] >> Yeah. So, Tango's he's an English
[11:00] Labrador. Um he's seven years old now.
[11:03] He turned seven in August. Uh he's been
[11:04] in like I say he's been in service with
[11:05] me about a little over five years. Um
[11:09] he's like we I said before, he's an
[11:11] electronics K9. So, we call him
[11:12] electronic storage detection is what the
[11:14] ES you might see them sometimes. They're
[11:16] called ESD. You'll see an ESD K9. That's
[11:19] the ESD stands for electronic storage
[11:20] detection. Um yeah, he's seven years
[11:23] old. He's been a little over five years
[11:25] uh in service.
[11:28] So um he got trained initially uh at a
[11:32] company called Jordan Detection K9. Uh
[11:35] it's a company in Indiana that that
[11:37] trains these um electronics dogs. The
[11:39] majority of them come from uh his
[11:42] company. I know I don't know much about
[11:43] the other organizations or other
[11:44] companies that that do train them. I
[11:46] know there is some throughout the US
[11:47] that still that do train these
[11:49] electronics dogs, but uh that's where
[11:51] Tango came from. Jordan Detection came
[11:53] out out in Indiana. Um shout out to Todd
[11:56] Jordan out there is the chief trainer.
[11:57] He does uh does great work with these
[11:59] dogs.
[12:01] >> That's really cool. What's the hardest
[12:02] skill to learn about or I guess you say
[12:06] tasks or flow to learn about having a K9
[12:09] because you're you're basically reint
[12:11] you're like introducing
[12:13] this counterpart into your daily life. I
[12:16] mean, I think a lot of folks think that
[12:17] maybe the dogs just stay in some kind of
[12:20] housing at the police department, but
[12:21] that's not necessarily true, right? I
[12:23] mean, Tango's with you pretty often.
[12:25] >> Yeah, everybody has different things
[12:27] obviously they have to work around when
[12:28] they become a handler. You know, I I
[12:30] remember when I was in the initial
[12:32] school. Um, some handlers will change
[12:34] the name of their dog. Uh, so when you
[12:36] get assigned the dog, the dog already
[12:37] has a name obviously because it was
[12:39] trained by a puppy razor or has been
[12:41] trained there at the facility. So, they
[12:42] have to give it a name, you know. So,
[12:44] some handlers will actually change the
[12:45] name of the dog. I decided Tango was
[12:47] already named Tango when I got him. And
[12:49] uh I didn't I like the name to begin
[12:50] with, but the reason I say this is
[12:52] because I didn't want to deal with uh
[12:55] having to change have to have him learn
[12:58] a whole new name. You know, learning how
[12:59] to work a dog was hard enough for me
[13:01] alone, you know, to just figure out how
[13:03] to do it. Um so, just the one is just to
[13:06] start to build the bond with the dog.
[13:08] You know, the dog has been trained by
[13:09] other people before you get them. you
[13:11] know, they have a bond with those
[13:12] trainers to a degree, you know, but um
[13:14] it's just first off is just building
[13:16] that bond with the dog. a bond that
[13:17] you've never potent if you've never been
[13:19] a handler, a bond that you've never had
[13:21] before, you know. Um, and just working
[13:24] through those those little nuances of
[13:26] being, you know, those early stages of
[13:28] being a new handler, you know, learning
[13:30] what the dog will do. Um, learning the
[13:32] behavior of the dog, just learning in
[13:34] general how to work the dog because the
[13:37] dog, it's always, we always say in the
[13:40] in the handler world, it's not the dog's
[13:41] fault, it's the handler's fault.
[13:43] [laughter]
[13:43] the dog if if you know the dog isn't uh
[13:46] if if we don't think you know the dog
[13:48] might not be finding something or might
[13:50] be missing a device in training or
[13:52] something, it's not the dog's fault. The
[13:54] dog knows how to find it. It's it's your
[13:55] fault. You're not working the dog
[13:57] correctly. You know, it's usually falls
[13:58] back on the handler. So, just learning
[14:00] how to work a dog to begin with for the
[14:02] first time in my life was you know uh a
[14:04] hill I had to climb. And then just in
[14:06] your personal life, you know, it's it's
[14:08] you have to learn um how to you some
[14:12] people have dogs. You know, I had a dog
[14:13] I had a German Shepherd at the time and
[14:15] just incorporating them two together was
[14:17] a uh was a feat really to a task to have
[14:19] to overcome. I had a male German
[14:21] Shepherd. I had him for uh four and a
[14:23] half years. So, you know, I'm coming
[14:25] home from K9 school now with this new,
[14:27] you know, dad goes away for a few weeks
[14:29] and comes home and all of a [laughter]
[14:30] sudden I just show up, you know, with
[14:32] this new dog that's that that um that's
[14:34] never been in the house. And if
[14:35] anybody's ever owned German Shepherds
[14:37] before, especially males, they know
[14:38] they're kind of territorial. So just
[14:39] having to train both of them to be able
[14:41] to interact with each other and h and
[14:43] have a I guess a normal household, you
[14:45] know. Um so just overcoming just some
[14:48] stuff in the house and then and then
[14:49] these dogs are all the dogs trained at
[14:52] Jordan detection are all food rewarded
[14:53] canines. So they um they're they're not
[14:57] toy driven like a lot of other canines
[14:59] are where they get a bite, you know, a
[15:01] ball that they get when they find the
[15:02] drugs or they find the bomb or they you
[15:04] know they they catch the bad guy. Um
[15:06] they're these are food rewarded dogs. So
[15:08] because they are this way they have to
[15:10] train every single day to get their
[15:12] meals. Um they train I trained Tango
[15:15] twice a day in the early part of his
[15:17] career when I was obviously trying to
[15:18] build that bond and get him you know
[15:21] good at his job and get me good you know
[15:23] working with him I trained him three
[15:24] times a day for the majority of the
[15:26] time. Um so they train to eat their food
[15:29] you know so I train him about an hour
[15:30] ago for his breakfast and um that's how
[15:33] he gets his dinner or excuse me that's
[15:34] how he got his breakfast and I'll train
[15:35] him tonight and he'll get his dinner.
[15:36] you know we hide devices and he gets it.
[15:38] So just learning incorporating that in
[15:41] my daily life is also something you have
[15:43] to adjust to. Uh as I tell everybody
[15:46] over time it becomes a daily routine of
[15:48] yours like waking up and brushing your
[15:49] teeth. You know it becomes just part of
[15:51] your daily thing that you get very very
[15:53] used to doing it. But it um but it is a
[15:55] lot of work. It's something that you
[15:56] have to incorporate and you have to
[15:57] realize it's seven days 365 days a year.
[16:00] You know what I mean? That's your
[16:02] >> have this dog and you're training that
[16:04] dog, you know, and have to work them.
[16:06] >> That's a heck of a commitment. So, I've
[16:08] I've got uh all the photos you sent me
[16:10] of Tango here on on the screen. You
[16:13] can't see them, but on my end, I've got
[16:14] them.
[16:15] >> And the you know, I was talking to folks
[16:17] that I was going to be bringing you on
[16:19] today to talk about this.
[16:21] >> And the first question they get other
[16:22] than the breed, what the the first
[16:24] question they would ask other than the
[16:26] breed was, "How does Tango pick up on
[16:29] these storage devices? What what is
[16:31] going on inside of them that would
[16:34] attract Tango?" So, can can you
[16:36] elaborate on that for us?
[16:38] >> Yeah, I that's probably the most
[16:39] questions we I get asked all the time is
[16:41] how how are they finding these, you
[16:42] know? Um, so it's a long chemical name.
[16:46] Don't ask me to pronounce it because I
[16:47] know I'll butcher [laughter] it if I try
[16:48] to pronounce it right now, but we call
[16:50] it TPPO. It's it's like the acronym for
[16:52] it. Um, it's a chemical compound that's
[16:54] put on the circuit board of storage
[16:56] devices that keeps the device from
[16:58] overheating. So, as I always explain to
[17:00] people, like when your when you turn
[17:02] your phone on and your phone's on, it's
[17:03] heating up. you know, your circuit board
[17:05] getting hot. Um, it keeps that from
[17:07] overheating. Even a thumb drive, when
[17:08] you plug a thumb drive into the
[17:09] computer, that thumb drive is going to
[17:11] start to heat up because it's starting
[17:12] to do, you know, it's starting to do its
[17:14] job. It's working. So, um, it's just a
[17:16] chemical compound that's coated in there
[17:18] to keep it from overheating on those
[17:19] devices when they're when they're
[17:21] running or they're turned on.
[17:25] So with that, with knowing that now with
[17:28] these pictures, right, some of these are
[17:30] [clears throat] obviously,
[17:32] I would say, active searches that Tango
[17:34] is working. Um,
[17:36] >> Yep.
[17:37] >> So, kind of break it break it down. How
[17:39] do we end up here where Tango is
[17:43] doing this work? What is
[17:45] >> the um all those pictures you see that
[17:48] that I had uh sent over to you, they're
[17:49] all real world. So, they're all real
[17:51] world searches of him uh on different
[17:53] scenes. I think there was one I sent you
[17:55] there. He's sitting there. He's smiling
[17:56] on the bed with [laughter] is because
[17:58] that's some SD cards and micro SD cards
[18:00] that he found on the scene um inside of
[18:02] a bag. Um so, yeah. So, how these cases
[18:06] all originate, I mean, they come in
[18:07] different ways, you know what I mean?
[18:08] But, but the majority of cases like
[18:10] this, I'd say, come through what we call
[18:12] cyber tips. They call they come from the
[18:14] National Center on Missing and Exploited
[18:16] Children. um as simple as I can make it.
[18:19] You know, they'll start, not to throw
[18:22] any ESP or electronic service provider
[18:24] like under the under the bus here, but
[18:25] you know, they'll come from Snapchat or
[18:27] Tik Tok or Facebook. You know, they'll
[18:28] say, "Hey, there's um potential child
[18:31] exploitation material on our platform.
[18:34] Um we don't want it on our platform. We
[18:36] want, you know, they don't want th that
[18:39] type of stuff across their, you know,
[18:40] their networks." Um they'll report it.
[18:43] Uh the National Center on Mist Exploited
[18:45] Children compiles as much information as
[18:47] they can and they narrow down as best
[18:49] they can where they believe a potential
[18:52] suspect doing this resides at. Um and
[18:54] then it'll trickle down to to the you
[18:56] know the jurisdiction that covers that
[18:58] area where they believe that it is. Um
[18:59] so then me or another uh another
[19:02] detective will get assigned those the
[19:05] case and then there'll you'll start to
[19:06] investigate it. Obviously, um if we get
[19:09] if the investigation leads to a
[19:11] residence, uh a residential, you know,
[19:13] home or an apartment or something based
[19:15] off the investigation, then we'll we'll
[19:17] generally execute a search warrant on
[19:19] that residence, uh to further
[19:21] investigate, you know, anybody that
[19:22] potentially may reside there that is uh
[19:25] either uploading or sharing um child
[19:28] exploitation material. Um so then when
[19:31] we execute those search warrants, the
[19:33] majority, you know, what we're looking
[19:34] for is electronic stores devices. You
[19:36] know, a lot of this is done on the
[19:37] internet. You go to laptops, you know,
[19:38] thumb drives, phones, whatever, whatever
[19:41] you could really think of, you know, um,
[19:43] as we're looking for it, usually on
[19:44] scenes like that. And the smallest
[19:47] device Tango can find, uh, is a micro SD
[19:50] card. It's there's one in that picture
[19:51] that I said that's sitting on the bed
[19:53] there in front of him. Very, very small.
[19:54] As everybody knows, you know, micro SD
[19:56] cards and SIM cards the size of our
[19:58] pinky fingernail. It's very, very small.
[20:00] Um, so there's a lot of places you could
[20:01] put that. Um, so these dogs, you know,
[20:04] Tagle will go on scene with me and, uh,
[20:07] help us. Sometimes he'll do pre-arches
[20:09] is what we call it. So he'll, you know,
[20:11] investigators will say, "Hey, we just
[20:13] want him to search the room before we go
[20:14] in there." You know, there may not be
[20:16] what we call plain view devices sitting
[20:18] in the open. So you might go into a room
[20:20] and there's not laptops sitting in the
[20:21] open. There's not a bunch of devices
[20:23] sitting out. So investigators will say,
[20:24] "Hey, can you let Tango work the room?"
[20:27] And let him indicate and tell us where
[20:29] devices may be located within the room.
[20:31] Um, sometimes he'll do post searches
[20:33] too, meaning investigators will go into
[20:35] a room and they'll search it and uh
[20:38] they'll pull devices out, you know,
[20:40] they'll they'll take the plane view
[20:41] devices sitting in the open. They'll
[20:43] search the drawers, you know, under the
[20:44] bed, whatever to find what they want to
[20:47] what they can locate and then they'll
[20:48] have Tango search after the fact to make
[20:50] sure we did not miss anything. Um,
[20:52] happens regularly. We're humans and
[20:54] that's kind of why we have these dogs.
[20:56] you know, one, we just may completely
[20:58] miss something um that's not in our
[21:00] normal eye or or it may be hidden. You
[21:02] know, suspects will generally will hide
[21:04] this stuff on a regular basis uh so we
[21:07] don't find it, you know, because they
[21:08] know we we may be looking for it at some
[21:10] point. You know,
[21:11] >> what's the most complex type of area
[21:13] you've, you know, you've taken Tango to
[21:16] and you found something and you were
[21:17] like, "Whoa, what a trip."
[21:20] >> Yeah. I'm trying to think. Um, [snorts]
[21:24] honestly, and I don't remember for sure.
[21:26] In some of those pictures, I think you
[21:28] can tell just what the rooms look like,
[21:31] you know, many.
[21:32] >> Yeah, they're kind of messy. I noticed
[21:33] that. Yeah, I noticed that they tend to
[21:35] Is that like a correlation you see with
[21:36] these these predators? Yes. You know?
[21:39] >> Yes. A lot of these Yes. I I would say a
[21:41] lot of the correlation is I mean I I've
[21:43] probably Tango has been deployed on a
[21:46] little over 120 churches probably in his
[21:48] career and I'd say about 95% of them the
[21:51] houses are pretty you know cluttered and
[21:53] and um a lot of stuff you know kind of
[21:56] hoarded up or just stuff laying all over
[21:58] the place. So just his ability to work
[22:01] in those environments is great. Um just
[22:05] just to give you some examples of stuff
[22:07] you know that he f found you know in
[22:10] environments like that. I mean, really
[22:12] early on in his career, probably the
[22:14] first few months, uh he was working a
[22:16] very cluttered bedroom, a lot of stuff,
[22:19] uh he indicated on this little box and
[22:22] uh the investigators opened it up and
[22:25] I'm still a new handler at this point,
[22:26] you know, and and there's a pen inside
[22:28] of it. And I was thinking at first being
[22:31] a new handler, oh, he's false indicating
[22:34] on me is what we call it. You know, he's
[22:36] telling me there's something there and
[22:37] there's not. But I reverted back to the
[22:39] training that they train us and said,
[22:41] "Trust your dog." You know, the dog,
[22:43] trust what the dog's telling you. So, we
[22:46] looked at the um the the pen a little
[22:48] bit more and we took it apart and it was
[22:50] actually a camera and the very tip of
[22:52] the pen, the clicker was a pen in the
[22:54] very top. There's a little micro SD card
[22:57] that was inside of it. Um, so that just
[22:59] was an interesting find of his. Um, I
[23:02] could tell you another example. We call
[23:05] them, excuse me, we call them second
[23:08] offenders. So, meaning that they have
[23:10] already been convicted of some form of
[23:12] child crime or a sex offense in the past
[23:14] and they've, you know, served their time
[23:16] in in prison and they're back out again,
[23:18] you know, in society. Um, and then
[23:20] they're being reinvestigated, you know,
[23:22] for for another violation of sex offense
[23:25] or a child crime. So, we call them
[23:27] second offenders. I um I executed a
[23:29] search warrant one time um with a local
[23:31] and estate agency room. Again, very very
[23:34] cluttered, nothing in the open. They
[23:36] didn't see anything and they did do a
[23:38] pre-search. Uh never found anything. So,
[23:40] we ran Tango in the room and uh the only
[23:43] thing he indicated on in the room was a
[23:44] clothes hamper. Um I rewarded him, you
[23:47] know, moved him out of the room, put him
[23:49] back in the car, and when we went
[23:51] investigators went back and searched it,
[23:52] I I I was actually physically the one
[23:54] that picked the clothes hamper up. And
[23:56] it's full of stuff. It's full of trash,
[23:59] clothing, you know, dirty underwear,
[24:02] stuff none of us want to touch, even
[24:03] with gloves on. You know, investigators
[24:05] like we we don't want to touch that. So,
[24:07] we pick up the clothes hamper and we
[24:08] dumped it out. And it was almost like a
[24:10] scene from a movie. You know, the last
[24:12] thing that falls out of the clothes
[24:14] hamper was a cell phone. And because it
[24:17] was um facing upward the screen, a lot
[24:19] of our phones, you know, modern phones
[24:20] have facial recognition and they try to
[24:22] unlock with a with a face. it hits it
[24:25] sees us our faces looking at it and it
[24:27] tries to unlock itself because it's
[24:29] trying to do facial recognition and it
[24:30] was powered on. Um so uh they
[24:33] interviewed that that suspect and that
[24:35] suspect admitted that when he heard the
[24:37] police at the door knocking um for the
[24:39] search warrant that he tried to hide
[24:40] that and throw it in that nasty clothes
[24:42] hamper so we wouldn't find it. Uh now
[24:44] that that we told him the dog found it,
[24:46] he he admitted that he hid that. So just
[24:48] envir that's just you know two examples
[24:50] of interesting finds that he has had.
[24:52] Um, he's had many like that though, you
[24:56] know what I mean? Where it's it's if we
[24:57] did not have him, we more than likely
[24:59] would have never found the device we
[25:01] were looking for. You know, we would
[25:02] have completely missed it.
[25:04] >> Yeah, that's huge. I mean, you're you're
[25:06] talking about this difference of of
[25:08] justice and not justice when when Tango
[25:10] comes in. I mean,
[25:12] >> you're getting a case and and you likely
[25:15] had evidence on it, right? I mean, we're
[25:16] not hiding our phones for no reason. I'm
[25:18] not, you know, speculating or just
[25:21] >> Yes. Sometimes I get it. Yeah, sometimes
[25:23] I do get it relayed to me later on like,
[25:25] "Hey, what he found had evidence on it."
[25:26] Sometimes I don't. But I would wouldn't
[25:28] disagree with you there. If you're
[25:29] hiding it [laughter] in, if you're
[25:30] trying to hide it from us, there's
[25:31] probably going to be something of
[25:32] interest to us, you know, of evidentiary
[25:35] value is going to be on the device most
[25:36] likely. So
[25:38] >> you So, you know, you know, I was going
[25:39] to ask this and uh if you can't share,
[25:42] that's okay, but what's the the biggest
[25:44] or most impactful case
[25:47] >> you've worked on with Tango? And it
[25:49] doesn't necessarily need to be you know,
[25:51] headline worthy or, you know, had been
[25:53] in the news. But I would say a case that
[25:57] would yield a significant
[26:00] uh conviction and sentencing, you know,
[26:03] cuz I I remember when I worked in law
[26:05] enforcement, there were folks that would
[26:07] uh commit sex crimes and they would end
[26:10] up with 200 plus years. You know, I have
[26:13] my opinions on when we get to a certain
[26:15] threshold, I don't know what we're
[26:16] doing. You know what I mean? But yeah,
[26:18] >> but but in essence they would go to
[26:20] prison and their sentence would be 200
[26:22] years, right? And you would see like,
[26:24] >> you know, 60 counts of this, this, this,
[26:27] and this, and this. Do you have any case
[26:28] that you and Tango worked on where you
[26:31] can go, hey, yeah, this was the
[26:34] >> Yeah, I I do. Is there some that have
[26:37] held way longer sentences than others?
[26:39] Yes. I always say there every single one
[26:42] of them is impactful. You know what I
[26:43] mean? every child doesn't matter whether
[26:46] it's one image of of child exploitation
[26:48] material or you know or 10,000 or you
[26:52] know 500,000 um
[26:54] >> that child whether we know who they are
[26:56] in that image or video is a victim you
[26:58] know what I mean they will they're still
[27:01] being victimized by these uh by these
[27:03] individuals you know um even if the
[27:06] video and pictures you know 20 30 years
[27:08] old you know they're still being
[27:10] victimized by these individuals so I
[27:12] would say every single case that we're
[27:13] involved with or tango found stuff is is
[27:16] heavily impactful, you know, you're good
[27:18] can matter, you know. Um, but there
[27:21] there has been obviously cases that he's
[27:23] dealt with, you know, not to give case
[27:24] information out or or or individuals and
[27:26] they've been sentenced already, but you
[27:28] know, probably federal cases, you know,
[27:30] uh cases involving uh the federal level,
[27:33] uh FBI, stuff like that, you know,
[27:35] Department of Homeland Security.
[27:36] Obviously, the cases that they're
[27:37] handling are going to be a lot higher
[27:39] level uh than local police, you know. So
[27:41] just um uh he has found uh I remember a
[27:45] case
[27:47] uh probably two three years ago now um
[27:49] that he found some SD cards that were
[27:51] not initially found during a search uh
[27:53] for a federal case and that individual
[27:55] was convicted I think just recently in
[27:59] the last about the last year and he got
[28:01] uh 30 30 to 40 years in prison. Um uh he
[28:05] but he was a hands-on offender also. you
[28:07] know, we call hands-on offenders mean
[28:09] that they're not just possessing or um
[28:13] you know, dis distributing
[28:16] child sexual exploitation material.
[28:17] They're also either manufacturing it
[28:19] themselves with a with a child victim.
[28:22] Um so we call them, you know, hands-on
[28:23] offenders, hands-on sex offenders. Um
[28:26] probably a case you know similar cases
[28:27] like that usually at the federal level
[28:29] where he's found stuff and those
[28:30] individuals are getting convicted to you
[28:32] know like I said 30 40 and sometimes you
[28:34] like you're saying year I mean it could
[28:35] be like a 100 years you know sometimes
[28:36] you're seeing like well you know may
[28:38] maybe not in our lifetime maybe they'll
[28:40] figure out how humans can live that long
[28:42] but you know so um but yeah I always say
[28:45] that they're every single one no matter
[28:46] you know what level it is whether it's a
[28:48] local police level or all the way up the
[28:50] federal you know they're all um can be
[28:53] heavily impactful you know and can make
[28:54] make a big big difference, you know, in
[28:57] Cesar. So,
[28:58] >> I I just hope people can understand and
[29:02] just really see how important the work
[29:05] you guys do is because this is going on
[29:08] like crazy.
[29:10] I mean, it it was constant. So, I when I
[29:12] when I was working at the the local
[29:15] police department here that I worked
[29:16] for, I was at the school I was a school
[29:18] resource officer. So, you can imagine
[29:19] that I would get those Nickmick
[29:21] >> Yeah.
[29:21] >> tips pretty often. Tips come through.
[29:23] Yeah.
[29:23] >> Yeah. they come through for the for the
[29:25] students at the school and you know the
[29:26] school only had you know at the time
[29:28] probably 2500 students um and that that
[29:31] that's just like a like a little island
[29:33] right and I remember the amount of tips
[29:35] and stuff that would come in and I I
[29:37] think about you so York County
[29:40] >> so are you guys covering several
[29:41] different like little municipalities
[29:44] I mean what's going on so over here you
[29:46] know in Arizona especially where we're
[29:48] at in southern Arizona you have every
[29:49] municipality has its own police
[29:51] department for the most part and then we
[29:53] have the county sheriff tiff that covers
[29:55] like the rural rural areas and whatnot
[29:57] and the unincorporated spots, but are
[29:58] you guys covering a a bunch of different
[30:00] things because it says re
[30:02] >> Yeah. So, so the majority of
[30:03] Pennsylvania is similar to Arizona that
[30:05] you know that there's single
[30:06] municipality police departments, whether
[30:08] it's a township, a burrow, you know, is
[30:10] being covered by their own police. Um
[30:13] there has been this trend, I'd say,
[30:14] across some counties in Pennsylvania. Uh
[30:17] there's the regional police departments
[30:19] exist, which is um what I work for. And
[30:21] it the only way I could describe it is
[30:23] it's kind of like a county police
[30:25] department. So that's why our you know
[30:27] our our departmental name is York County
[30:29] Regional Police. Um what happens is
[30:31] these municipalities kind of come
[30:33] together and say hey we want to have one
[30:35] single police department together you
[30:37] know. So there um we cover I'd say a
[30:41] little less than half of York County. Um
[30:44] there's a couple other regional agencies
[30:46] in York County. There's another one very
[30:47] similar size to us that covers a large
[30:50] majority of the county also. And then
[30:51] there is still single municipalities
[30:53] that exist um um across uh P, you know,
[30:56] across your county and PA that that is
[30:58] still covered by single municipality
[30:59] police departments. I don't know if it's
[31:01] like this in Arizona. Any of the
[31:02] municipalities that don't have a local
[31:04] police are covered by the state police.
[31:06] Um there's there's a lot of rural area.
[31:09] If you've ever been to Pennsylvania, you
[31:10] know, very very rural area in some parts
[31:13] of the state, you know, mountain area
[31:14] that there's residential or resident,
[31:17] you know, population size is very very
[31:18] small, you know, so they just forward or
[31:21] don't have their own local police. The
[31:22] state police covers any area that is uh
[31:24] not doesn't have a local police covering
[31:26] it.
[31:27] >> Oh wow. Yeah, that's a little different
[31:28] here. So here the county the counties
[31:30] would cover those areas uh that don't
[31:32] have like their own municip municipal
[31:34] police and then the state police we call
[31:36] them the state troopers. So, we can't
[31:38] get that wrong here. That changes.
[31:40] [laughter]
[31:40] >> Don't call the police.
[31:42] >> The state troopers, you know, they they
[31:44] ride the highways here. Um, and that's
[31:46] pretty much the only time they leave
[31:48] that is, you know, they do have some
[31:49] specific units. The state police does,
[31:52] um, uh, you know, like, uh,
[31:54] >> autotheft task force, uh, gang stuff,
[31:57] uh, and some drug, you know, drug
[31:59] operations stuff that they work on. But
[32:01] for the most part, our, uh, state
[32:02] troopers stick to the highways. So, uh,
[32:05] you know, some of those folks that work
[32:06] in the local or worked in the local
[32:08] police would would make remarks about
[32:10] that because they would be like, "Oh,
[32:11] they left the highway. It's not our
[32:12] problem." You know, [laughter]
[32:16] >> we're done. So, but yeah, I thought it
[32:18] was interesting. I was kind of curious
[32:19] about how you guys were set up out
[32:20] there.
[32:21] >> Yeah. So, and you you touched on this
[32:23] the the amount of like cyber tips, you
[32:25] know, you were saying you got them in
[32:26] the school, you know, with the SRO.
[32:28] >> It's unfortunate, but we do get a lot,
[32:30] you know. Um I and I know there's like
[32:32] large cities, you know, that are getting
[32:35] thousands and thousands a year, you
[32:36] know, they're getting assigned to them.
[32:39] Um I know there's a dog, shout out to K9
[32:41] ESD K9 Chewy out in um California. Um I
[32:46] know there's another dog out in that
[32:47] area, but there's, you know, heavily
[32:48] populated county out there. They're
[32:50] running, as far as I would, as far as I
[32:52] know per they're running multiple
[32:54] warrants a week, you know, and that's
[32:56] how many tips they're probably getting
[32:58] in cases that they're that's just an
[32:59] example I can give is I know they're a
[33:01] heavily active K9 team, you know what I
[33:03] mean? They're they're out um all the
[33:05] time, you know, for stuff. So, some
[33:06] areas just more busy than others. You
[33:08] know, they have more population size.
[33:09] Obviously, the cities are going to get
[33:10] more of these tips, but that, you know,
[33:12] it is a lot. It's a large influx. And um
[33:15] you know there's some ESPs we're getting
[33:18] more tips from than others. You know
[33:21] ESPs again meaning electronic service
[33:23] providers like you know uh Facebook,
[33:25] Instagram, Snapchat, etc. Um we were
[33:27] just actually at the uh child crimes
[33:29] conference IAT conference in
[33:31] Pennsylvania um about a week or two ago
[33:34] and uh we had some Roblox was there and
[33:36] Tik Tok and Snapchat. They all spoke to
[33:38] us and I always I will say um listening
[33:41] to them speak to us their
[33:42] representatives they are making an
[33:45] effort to make a high effort to make
[33:48] their platform safe. You know they don't
[33:50] want this stuff going on on their
[33:52] platforms. You know I've heard a lot of
[33:54] times you know out in public or whatever
[33:57] you know uh you know this platform sucks
[34:00] because they let this stuff go on all
[34:02] the time or they don't care. Are there
[34:04] platforms like that that exist out
[34:06] there? Absolutely. there's platforms
[34:07] that do not care, you know, and or
[34:09] they're not cooperative with law
[34:10] enforcement, etc.
[34:12] >> What would be one of those? What would
[34:13] be one of those that you would say,
[34:14] "Hey,
[34:16] >> one that comes to mind immediately is
[34:18] Telegram."
[34:18] >> Telegram.
[34:19] >> Telegram
[34:21] is one that that exists that is a one I
[34:23] would stay far away from it. Um, you
[34:26] know, there's a lot of child
[34:27] exploitation material that gets thrown
[34:28] across that platform and they're they're
[34:30] overall not cooperative in law
[34:32] enforcement. Uh, they had a lot of legal
[34:34] troubles. um in the past few years I
[34:38] know I don't know if it's you know the
[34:40] creators of it or the owners but
[34:41] somebody involved in the higher echelon
[34:44] of telegram you know was arrested I
[34:46] think in France or I know it was in
[34:47] Europe um within the last few years
[34:50] because they weren't cooperating with
[34:51] law enforcement they will at their very
[34:55] bare minimum now you know only because
[34:57] they're required by certain laws that
[34:59] they have to but they won't cooperate
[35:01] and give you they won't give you
[35:02] anything they're not required to give
[35:04] you'll tell Right. So, you'll need
[35:05] search warrant to get anything.
[35:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. If you're even with a search
[35:09] warrant, you're you're you're not
[35:11] getting a lot, you know, of substance
[35:13] back from them. But the majority of the
[35:15] ones, you know, that that every I'd say,
[35:17] you know, the everyday user uses, you
[35:19] know, that we like to to say is, you
[35:21] know, the the Instagrams, the Facebooks,
[35:23] the Snapchats, you know, um this stuff
[35:25] goes on on their platforms obviously,
[35:26] but I always say they don't want it
[35:28] going on on their platforms. you know,
[35:30] that they're doing their best to try to
[35:31] combat it occurring on their platforms
[35:34] and remove the users and and assist law
[35:37] enforcement. You know, most of them are
[35:39] very very cooperative with us to to to
[35:41] investigate these things to make sure
[35:43] that we are either finding the suspects,
[35:44] you know, and they again, they don't
[35:46] want them on the platform either, you
[35:48] know.
[35:48] >> Right. Right. Well, I as as when I was
[35:51] working, so this would have been like
[35:52] 201920.
[35:54] I found those platforms pretty
[35:55] supportive in general, too, with I had a
[35:57] couple drug cases that I worked in sent
[36:00] in uh search warrant stuff for it and
[36:02] they sent just an insane amount of data.
[36:05] I was very
[36:05] >> Yeah. Sometimes sometimes they'll just
[36:07] send you like everything they got for it
[36:09] because again, they don't want they
[36:10] don't want criminal Yeah. They don't
[36:12] want criminal activity occurring on
[36:13] their platform, you know? They they
[36:15] don't want it. Um, and and I would say,
[36:17] uh, like I said, they've made some of
[36:19] the ones that had a lot of issues in the
[36:21] last few years have made a a big effort
[36:24] to combat and make changes to to make it
[36:27] better. I mean, what was it a year or
[36:29] two ago that Tik Tok had that like week
[36:31] shutdown in the United States, like
[36:33] completely shut the platform off,
[36:34] >> you know, and uh, it's obviously back up
[36:36] and running now, but it's because they
[36:37] made changes, you know, they started to
[36:39] make some changes on their platform to
[36:40] to make it safer, you know.
[36:43] I have seen a decrease in cyber tips
[36:46] from from you know just Tik Tok alone
[36:49] ever since those changes were being made
[36:51] you know which is a good thing you know
[36:52] the less we're seeing that means the
[36:54] less of this type of stuff exploitation
[36:56] stuff is going on their platform you
[36:58] know
[36:58] >> right right okay so we're getting close
[36:59] to the end here so I I just have a
[37:01] couple more questions for you if you got
[37:02] time uh the first one is is ESD dogs
[37:05] like Tango
[37:06] >> are you seeing more getting trained and
[37:10] are you seeing police departments
[37:11] throughout the us hoping to get a tango
[37:15] cuz from what I remember from your
[37:17] presentation, there's not a ton of them.
[37:20] There's not a lot of them.
[37:21] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd say there's a little
[37:22] over 300 of them. It's
[37:25] >> Don't quote me on numbers. The ones that
[37:26] I know of. Yeah.
[37:27] >> There's a little over 300 and that's
[37:29] across the world.
[37:31] >> The majority are in the United States,
[37:32] but there is uh again there may be dogs
[37:35] that that that are out there that I
[37:36] don't know that exist, but the ones that
[37:37] I know that are out there is a little
[37:39] over 300 across the world. and uh the
[37:41] majority are in the United States, but
[37:43] there is dogs that they're putting out,
[37:44] you know, in Canada, in South America,
[37:46] in Asia, Europe, etc. to try to get
[37:48] these dogs out to these these law
[37:50] enforcements uh across the world because
[37:52] this stuff is obviously not just
[37:54] occurring in the United States. Um yeah,
[37:56] so I'd say there's a little over 300 and
[37:58] and yes, there has been a large increase
[38:00] uh in the the need or the want for these
[38:02] dogs. Uh Tango was the 54th trained dog
[38:05] with Jordan Detection K9. He was kind of
[38:07] early on. Now they're a little over 300
[38:08] trained through them. Um, so, um, he's
[38:11] not he's not an OG dog, I'd say, yet,
[38:15] but the trainers might say he's starting
[38:17] to get in the OG world now. Now, he's
[38:19] start but they, um,
[38:21] >> yes, there there's more and more
[38:23] agencies wanting them and putting in for
[38:25] them. Um, obviously there's, you know,
[38:27] there's probably more putting in than we
[38:29] have, you know, that are being trained,
[38:31] you know. So, um, I know they're trying
[38:33] to do their best to get dogs because
[38:36] there's still states that don't have
[38:37] them, you know, that we know that don't
[38:38] even have them yet. So, I know they're
[38:40] trying to they're trying their best to
[38:41] get these canines and at least get one
[38:44] in every state, you know, as best they
[38:46] can and more, you know, than they can,
[38:48] especially in larger states like
[38:49] Pennsylvania. We have, I think, uh,
[38:52] eight or nine of them now, um, across
[38:54] the state of Pennsylvania because it's a
[38:56] large state, you know what I mean? We
[38:57] try to cover cover the area as best we
[38:59] can.
[38:59] >> Right. Right. So, the organization that
[39:01] trains these dogs, can you remind us who
[39:04] that is again and how do how do how do
[39:05] regular citizens support these guys?
[39:09] >> Yeah, so Tango is trained at Jordan
[39:11] Detection K9 in Indiana. Um, he has a
[39:14] website you can get on there and kind of
[39:15] read about the dogs. So, Tango is also
[39:18] sponsored by a company called Our
[39:19] Rescue. Um, Our Rescue sponsors uh I
[39:23] think it's a little over 150 of the dogs
[39:26] um across the world. They have a couple
[39:28] dogs in in in different uh continents
[39:30] that they that they sponsor. Um so they
[39:35] support ES these ESD dogs and they also
[39:38] support law enforcement just in um uh
[39:42] different stuff like forensic stuff. For
[39:43] example, I I just was uh recently
[39:45] certified in the computer forensics
[39:47] world. So I just recently became a
[39:48] computer forensics examiner. Uh and they
[39:50] they um sponsor me to go there also. Um
[39:53] they're a nonprofit organization.
[39:54] Everything is donated to them by donors.
[39:57] Um, so they're supporting these dogs and
[40:00] uh and law enforcement across the world
[40:02] just by people donating to them. Um, you
[40:05] can go to their website, ourrescue.org.
[40:08] Uh, it's urrescue.org.
[40:10] You can go on there and donate to them
[40:11] and and you can support the canines on
[40:14] there. There's a a donation spot on
[40:15] there or just donate for other, you
[40:18] know, like I said, for other law
[40:19] enforcement support like digital
[40:20] forensic support, digital forensic
[40:22] software. or anybody that's been
[40:24] involved in that world that might be
[40:25] listening knows that stuff's extremely
[40:27] expensive, you know, it's very very very
[40:30] expensive the the stuff that that
[40:32] involves that the world of digital
[40:33] forensics. So yeah, they they support
[40:35] about 150 of the dogs
[40:37] >> across the world and they're great.
[40:38] They're an amazing organization and
[40:40] they're there's really their biggest
[40:43] mission is to combat human trafficking
[40:46] and child exploitation. you know, that's
[40:48] their biggest mission is to do that and
[40:50] and they're doing that dayto day, you
[40:52] know, by supporting local law or
[40:54] supporting law enforcement and the dogs
[40:56] and and and you know, digital forensics
[40:58] world, etc. [snorts]
[41:00] >> Thank you. Yeah. So, hey listeners,
[41:01] viewers, if you're looking for, you
[41:03] know, that the season of giving is is
[41:05] upon us here, the end of the year. Uh
[41:08] let's support our rescue. Let's let's go
[41:09] ahead and do that and and let's make a
[41:12] let's keep this impact going. This is
[41:13] great work, Jesse. Hey, here's here's my
[41:16] favorite part about the presentation.
[41:18] Not only you I mean you're awesome,
[41:19] dude. I don't know if this was your
[41:20] first show or not, but you you you
[41:22] crushed it and props to you for coming
[41:24] on and taking time to join us. I know
[41:26] you have a
[41:27] >> lot a lot of different presentations
[41:28] like you the one you were at before, but
[41:30] yeah, first show. First podcast show.
[41:31] >> Hey, congratulations. Hey, glad that it
[41:33] was with me and
[41:34] >> you guys got the first one.
[41:36] >> Yeah, this is how cool is networking,
[41:38] right? We we never met before. We go to
[41:40] this conference and now we're on a show
[41:42] together. I think
[41:43] >> it is great. It really is. That's some
[41:45] some of the best things you could do in
[41:46] this world is the network, you know.
[41:47] >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I and
[41:49] I'll make sure to keep in touch with
[41:50] you. So, you know, maybe we make this
[41:52] happen every couple months and get an
[41:53] update on what's going on in the crime
[41:55] world on the internet.
[41:57] >> The the coolest the coolest thing
[41:58] though,
[42:00] >> Tango has an Instagram.
[42:03] >> He does. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah, he does
[42:05] have an Instagram. Yeah, you can follow
[42:07] him. You can follow him uh uh on there.
[42:09] It's ESDK9
[42:12] Tango. So you can get on there and
[42:14] follow him. Uh try to keep him up to
[42:16] date, you know, on what what he's doing
[42:18] here and there. Uh there's a lot of real
[42:20] real world photos on there, you know
[42:22] what I mean, of him of him on scenes and
[42:23] and finding stuff. Some cute pictures,
[42:25] you know, just some stuff he's doing.
[42:27] Let me get him up in here real quick.
[42:28] >> Yeah. Let's let's see uh let's see
[42:29] Tango.
[42:31] >> He was asleep [laughter] on the floor.
[42:33] >> Oh, he's got his big stretch going here.
[42:36] >> Oh, I'm jealous. I wish that was me.
[42:39] [groaning]
[42:40] >> Oh, there's Tango. [laughter]
[42:43] Hi, T.
[42:43] >> There he is.
[42:44] >> Oh, look at that.
[42:45] >> He's just been sleeping on the floor.
[42:46] He's like, "Come on, Dad. Why you waking
[42:47] up?" [laughter]
[42:48] >> Been working hard. Look at that. Oh, how
[42:51] cute. I love it. I love it. Yeah. So,
[42:53] hey, go follow Tango's Instagram. How
[42:56] cool is that that you can go and just
[42:58] keep, you know, keep checking. I'm a
[42:59] follower now. I don't know if you saw
[43:01] that.
[43:01] >> Yeah, it's it it is great. It's It's fun
[43:03] to be able to like just kind of keep out
[43:05] there what he's what he's doing and, you
[43:07] know what I mean? And I know there's a
[43:08] lot of Hey, follow a lot of the other
[43:09] ones. There's a lot of the ESD dogs do
[43:11] have their own social media and uh that
[43:13] are on there that are constantly you
[43:15] know putting out their what they're
[43:17] doing dayto-day and and some uh
[43:19] trainings for parents uh you know for
[43:22] for what apps to stay away from or what
[43:25] apps to be cautious of etc. You know
[43:27] we're always trying to put some good
[43:28] information out there.
[43:29] >> Right. Right. So, hey, I say the next
[43:30] one we do, if you're cool with it, uh
[43:32] maybe next time, sometime next month or
[43:34] December if you can. Let's talk about
[43:37] apps and let's let's just do like a
[43:39] parents awareness thing. We're going to
[43:41] be coming towards the end of the
[43:42] semester. I think it's great. Uh some
[43:44] some information to put out. I think you
[43:46] have a lot of knowledge in those apps
[43:48] and and what to look for and what to
[43:49] stay away from. I think it'd be cool if
[43:51] you're interested. So, just let me know.
[43:52] You don't have to answer that today, but
[43:54] uh yeah, just let me know.
[43:55] >> No, I think it's great. I think I think
[43:57] just educate that's what you can do the
[44:00] best is educate people you know what I
[44:01] mean is educate parents and and uh
[44:04] >> a lot of a lot of it falls back on that
[44:06] alone you know what I mean just
[44:08] educating everybody on to make it all
[44:12] it'll only get better if we if we know
[44:14] you know there's many times I talk to
[44:15] parents and stuff they don't even know
[44:16] what the apps are you know or what
[44:18] occurs on them or or they didn't know
[44:20] they just thought it was hey you know
[44:22] they're on there watching videos
[44:23] innocent videos you know and they don't
[44:25] realize what's going on platform
[44:26] sometimes. So, yeah, just education will
[44:29] just make the the world safer for all of
[44:31] the kids, you know.
[44:32] >> Yeah, I think it's I think I've seen
[44:33] this saying and I'll probably get this
[44:35] wrong because I'm, you know, I'm just
[44:36] probably will,
[44:37] >> but it's like when you give your
[44:39] children, you know, you think they have
[44:40] the world in their hands, but the world
[44:42] has them
[44:43] >> is when when you get the phone uh give
[44:45] the phone to a kid. So, I I hear that
[44:47] statement, I'm like, "Oh, man. That's
[44:49] that's the truth." So
[44:50] >> I I always have a slide in in an
[44:52] internet safety talk I give that uh it's
[44:54] a picture of the world and there's a
[44:56] bunch of fingers touching the world and
[44:58] the point of there's no words on the
[45:00] slide and I always say that that all
[45:01] that slide means is that when you give a
[45:04] phone or the internet access to a kid
[45:05] the world is at the tip of their
[45:07] fingers.
[45:07] >> Yeah.
[45:08] >> Oh man. Yeah. Well, hey, thank you so
[45:10] much for joining us from uh York County.
[45:12] It's been a pleasure and I look forward
[45:14] to talking to you again soon. You know,
[45:17] stay safe out there. you are in that in
[45:19] that world of law enforcement. So, uh,
[45:21] and keep doing the, man, this is the
[45:23] work you do, you and Tango. I I can't
[45:25] thank you enough.
[45:27] >> Yeah. Thanks, Dave. Thanks for having us
[45:28] on. We had a good time. Yeah, we'll
[45:30] definitely get together again and do it
[45:31] again.
[45:31] >> Okay, we'll take care. Hey, everybody,
[45:33] we're going to go to break. When we get
[45:34] back, we're going to go over a couple
[45:35] stories here uh locally and some tech
[45:38] stuff. So,
[45:40] we'll see you again shortly.
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[49:32] Pumpkin Patch is going to join him along
[49:34] with some other folks that uh have a lot
[49:37] of influence in the area and are great
[49:40] to talk to. And then also, you know, who
[49:42] who who knows who else he's going to
[49:43] bring on. I think he's keeping one. I
[49:45] think he's got something up his sleeve.
[49:47] I don't know. We'll see. I think he's
[49:48] got somebody else. But, okay, let's jump
[49:50] into Let's jump into news here. Uh, we
[49:53] got a couple minutes left. And of
[49:55] course, we can't forget the meme of the
[49:57] day. We got to do that. That's part of
[49:58] the gig here. All right. So, the first
[50:00] one I want to talk about is Tesla. I
[50:02] don't know if any of you have seen the
[50:05] videos of the the Tesla going into the
[50:08] air and spinning
[50:11] and then landing softly.
[50:14] And the way they did this was compressed
[50:16] air. And there's actually video of Elon
[50:20] talking about this concept back in 2018
[50:24] where he basically came out on the Joe
[50:25] Rogan show and said, "Hey, we're going
[50:27] to do this." and they've made it happen
[50:30] and they showed it at an expo. So this
[50:33] picture I I'm going to show you right
[50:34] here. So this is the Tesla
[50:37] driving upside down on a roadway.
[50:41] It comes off initiates the the air
[50:45] compressed air and lands. So if you go
[50:47] go on any of your social platforms and
[50:48] look it up, um I I didn't have the video
[50:50] to I just didn't have it ready in time
[50:53] because some things pop up and you're
[50:54] like, "Oh man, I forgot to put that link
[50:56] in there." But do yourself a favor, go
[50:58] check out the video on one of your
[50:58] social media platforms and watch this. I
[51:00] had to watch it several times cuz, you
[51:02] know, with with the AI and everything
[51:03] else, you're just like, is it real? I
[51:06] don't know. It's kind of hard to see. It
[51:08] it it's weird. It could look fake. But
[51:11] anyways, I'm looking at some news
[51:12] stories about it today, this morning,
[51:14] and uh they're they're claiming that
[51:16] it's it's legit. And it's just something
[51:18] to see where we're going. Of course,
[51:21] there's been memes about this this car
[51:24] and it's like police pull over and then
[51:27] it's like me and it's the the car
[51:29] flipping over other cars and doing all
[51:31] kinds of stuff. So, it's it's pretty
[51:33] funny that that that is an interesting
[51:34] concept though. You know what's going to
[51:37] h where are we going with all this? I I
[51:38] I don't know.
[51:41] Everything's moving so fast. It's why
[51:43] you got to stay on top of everything you
[51:44] can. Okay, let's jump into the let's
[51:46] jump into the meme of the day.
[51:49] If you're seeing this, you I think we've
[51:51] all been there.
[51:53] You're grocery shopping, you're at the
[51:55] store, you're just you you're going
[51:57] there for that like one or two things
[51:59] that you need
[52:02] to get back home.
[52:04] Wife sends you on a on a quick mission.
[52:06] Hey, can you go grab this at the store?
[52:10] And you go to selfch checkout. And the
[52:12] reason you go to selfch checkckout is
[52:13] likely because there's no other
[52:16] cash registers open or you're going
[52:20] there because you're like, you know
[52:22] what, I'm going to just get in and out.
[52:23] Especially at Walmart, right? You're
[52:25] just like, I'm just going to go handle
[52:26] this myself and I'm going to glide right
[52:28] out of here.
[52:31] And then something happens at the cash
[52:34] reg the the selfserve cash register and
[52:38] uh
[52:39] you're not going anywhere.
[52:41] me waiting for the cashier to notice me
[52:44] after I screwed up the selfch checkout
[52:45] again.
[52:49] >> I don't know about you you guys, but
[52:51] every time for me it's because I
[52:54] accidentally double scan an item
[52:59] and
[53:01] I double scan an item. I'm like, "Hey,
[53:03] can you come and you come and take this
[53:05] off?" Right? And then you get the you
[53:08] get the ones that are just like you just
[53:10] ruined their day because they have to go
[53:11] over there and help you.
[53:15] Like I the most of the folks they have
[53:17] working at the selfch checkckout
[53:19] stations, I imagine
[53:22] they're not at a regular register for a
[53:24] reason. Not hating on them. I'm just
[53:27] saying maybe that they they either like
[53:28] it or they're just like they don't
[53:30] really want to deal with people. You
[53:32] know, there's an expectation that we're
[53:33] going to go in there and we're going to
[53:34] handle stuff ourselves.
[53:37] but uh it doesn't happen. So that's me.
[53:41] I I try to not go to those anymore. I'm
[53:44] really I'm really adamant about having
[53:46] somebody else ring up everything and you
[53:48] know if I have a lot of stuff, I'm not
[53:49] doing it. I don't know about you, but
[53:51] I'm not doing it.
[53:54] Why why why are people going to selfch
[53:56] checkckout still? Is it just is it like
[53:58] the example I'm telling you where you're
[53:59] just trying to jump in real quick and
[54:00] then get in and get out? But yeah, that
[54:04] happens. So that's the meme of the day.
[54:06] Okay, I'm going to tell you a new story
[54:08] that I have here.
[54:10] This is not a meme.
[54:12] This is a real story
[54:15] on KBOa.
[54:19] You take it for what it is. You You
[54:21] think about this one. I'm not Jo. This
[54:23] is real. I didn't make this up.
[54:28] Okay.
[54:30] Tucson gun owners can trade firearms for
[54:33] garden tools this Saturday.
[54:37] Tonins with Thanks, Tony. Donins with
[54:40] unwanted firearms have a chance to
[54:42] safely surrender them this weekend and
[54:43] turn them into garden tools. The guns to
[54:46] garden or sorry, the guns to gardens
[54:48] event is this Saturday from 10:00 a.m.
[54:50] to noon at St. Phillips in the Hills
[54:52] church near River and Campbell.
[54:55] Organizers say, "Leave guns in your
[54:57] trunk and enter from the Campbell
[54:59] entrance where a volunteer will take
[55:00] them. A blacksmithing demonstration will
[55:03] follow this Sunday from noon to 2:00
[55:06] p.m. Now,
[55:09] there's a flyer on here if you go to the
[55:12] article. So, if you're interested in
[55:13] going and surrendering your guns for
[55:15] garden tools, here's the thing that I I
[55:17] I'm It's kind I'm perplexed here.
[55:20] Um,
[55:23] I'm not seeing what kind of tools we're
[55:25] getting here.
[55:26] Like I if I'm if I'm giving you a good a
[55:29] good gun, I'm hoping for a rake at the
[55:32] very least.
[55:35] The good news is there's going to be
[55:37] another one at Fascinations in a couple
[55:41] months where you can drop your guns off
[55:46] and get what you need there.
[55:48] I'm joking about that one, by the way.
[55:50] That's a joke. So, that's me spinning
[55:52] some humor on this whole situation.
[55:54] Look, I get people want to be safe with
[55:55] guns. I get the cause. It's cool, but
[56:00] I don't know. At least say what kind of
[56:02] tools we're getting here. Rakes. Uh uh,
[56:06] you know, a lawn mower.
[56:08] What do we getting? Just a a shovel.
[56:12] That's just interesting. Do you get more
[56:14] tools for the more guns you bring? The
[56:16] article is so vague. The article is
[56:18] literally one, two, three, four, five,
[56:20] six lines.
[56:27] Did you pay for that piece? I don't
[56:29] know. But anyways, if you're looking for
[56:30] the guns and guns to gardens event,
[56:34] you can uh go ahead and drop voluntarily
[56:36] drop off your weapons there. Expect
[56:37] weight times from 30 to 40 minutes
[56:39] according to the flyer and uh do what
[56:42] you need to do there. though. Again,
[56:45] I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not Christopher
[56:47] D. Simone, but I get why he has plenty
[56:51] of material. I really do. I It just It's
[56:54] It's Look, I get the passion behind what
[56:57] you're doing, and I'm just having fun
[56:59] with it. But if you guys are going to do
[57:02] the article, at least give them a little
[57:04] bit more information. I think people
[57:06] really genuinely want to know what kind
[57:08] of tools to expect if they're going to
[57:10] come up and drive and drop off the guns.
[57:13] It's all I'm going to say. That's it.
[57:17] It's been a pleasure being with you this
[57:19] Friday on the David Somano Show. It was
[57:22] awesome having Officer Maine from York
[57:25] County Regional Police Department and
[57:27] his partner, his ESD dog, Kanine Tango.
[57:31] We did get to see Tango at the end.
[57:33] Tango was sleeping, but we talked some
[57:35] good stories about him and I think it
[57:37] was a great episode. I had a lot of fun
[57:39] and I look forward to Monday. Monday,
[57:41] Edgar Sto, who's running for the state
[57:44] senate in LD17, is going to be joining
[57:46] me here in studio. So, if you have
[57:49] questions for Edgar, what why what he's
[57:51] running on, why he's running, um make
[57:54] sure to chime in with that. I've known
[57:56] Edgar for a few years now. I I really
[57:58] enjoy uh being a friend of his and uh
[58:02] you know I wanted to give him the
[58:03] opportunity to to have a chat and I'm
[58:06] going to tell you I'm not a softballer.
[58:11] So Edgar if you're listening or watching
[58:13] we're going to have a real in-depth
[58:14] conversation. Now I'm not a go I'm not a
[58:17] gotcha guy either. I just really like to
[58:20] get information out. And the perfect
[58:21] example was with you know with officer
[58:24] Jesse Maine. We talked about legitimate
[58:26] information. We didn't sugar coat
[58:28] anything. We got straight to the point
[58:29] and that's what we're going to do. And
[58:30] if there's anybody else that wants to
[58:32] join me on the show, I don't care what
[58:33] side you're on, you are welcome to jump
[58:37] on. I look forward to uh having have
[58:39] Edgar here and anybody else that wants
[58:41] to join in. And you know, part of this
[58:42] program is talking news and politics and
[58:45] stuff like that. So, have have your have
[58:48] your speech ready, have your answers
[58:49] ready. Don't come on cold. That's a bad
[58:52] idea.
[58:54] Anyways, y'all have a great weekend.
[58:56] Hope to see you at the pumpkin patch. If
[58:58] if you're there, you know, make it
[59:00] known. Share share on social media that
[59:01] you're there to see Live the Dream Media
[59:03] and and Christopher D. Simone at the
[59:05] event and all the other guests we're
[59:06] going to have. Let's have a great time.
[59:08] It might be a little breezy, but we're
[59:09] going to have a lot of fun out there.
[59:10] So, everybody be kind to each other.
[59:12] Have a great