The David Samorano Show Ep. 8 - Officer Jesse Main

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[2:13] Good morning everybody. I don't have

[2:20] Anyway, yeah, we got There we go. I

[2:22] still don't hear myself, but I'm going

[2:23] to keep going. Good morning, everybody.

[2:25] Welcome to the David Srono Show here on

[2:26] the Live the Dream Media Network. I'm

[2:29] excited for today's guest. We're jumping

[2:31] in. We're we're doing a national show

[2:33] today. We're bringing on a guest from

[2:35] the East Coast and it is going to be

[2:38] a great learning experience. I'm excited

[2:41] to bring on Jesse, Officer Jesse Mine of

[2:43] the York County Regional Police

[2:44] Department in Pennsylvania and his

[2:46] four-legged partner, K9 Tango. Tango is

[2:49] an electronic storage detection dog

[2:52] trained to sniff out hidden digital

[2:53] devices like thumb drives, SD cards,

[2:56] phones, and hard drives that can hold

[2:57] critical evidence in human trafficking

[3:00] and child sexual abuse material cases.

[3:03] Working alongside the Internet Crimes

[3:06] Against Children Task Force, Officer

[3:07] Maine and Tango help investigators

[3:10] uncover what others might miss, bringing

[3:13] offenders to justice and protecting the

[3:16] most vulnerable among us. So, Officer

[3:19] Jesse Mine and I met in Washington DC

[3:22] when I was there for a conference with

[3:23] the Crimestoppers organization, ADA

[3:25] Crime, that I I volunteer on the board.

[3:28] And I saw his presentation. I said, "You

[3:30] know what? We need to get this on one of

[3:32] our shows because I did not know that

[3:36] the dogs being trained for this, they

[3:39] they were they even existed. I mean,

[3:41] it's really really cool. I've always

[3:42] heard of dogs that can find like, you

[3:43] know, explosive devices and and other

[3:46] things, drugs

[3:48] and and whatnot. But when it comes to

[3:50] storage devices, I thought it was a

[3:52] trip. And you know, officer officer

[3:54] Maine's going to get into how Tango was

[3:56] trained, who he was trained by, and how

[3:59] he picks up on on Officer Tango picks up

[4:02] on these storage devices. So, it's it's

[4:05] going to be great. Before we get into

[4:06] that, we got to talk about this wind.

[4:08] So, I'm driving down Old Father on the

[4:10] way here to the studio, and I noticed in

[4:12] the road roofing shingles. So, somebody

[4:16] is going to need some roof work and uh

[4:19] Blueprint Home Services, Blue Blueprint

[4:22] Roofing and Solar is a great option.

[4:24] Daniel Romero, he's one of our neighbors

[4:26] here in the complex and he's one of our

[4:28] advertisers. So, if you're listening or

[4:30] watching and you and you know your roof

[4:32] is taking a beating with these winds, by

[4:34] all means, contact Daniel and his team.

[4:37] I don't know if I've ever seen

[4:40] wind that's just sustained a beating. Uh

[4:45] so last night after I got home from the

[4:47] pumpkin patch, I I went in the backyard

[4:49] and I started securing all the stuff

[4:51] that we have that could fly around

[4:52] because I had I had started seeing the

[4:54] news post about this pretty often and

[4:56] I'm like, "Okay, this is this is going

[4:58] to be legit." Like, it's I think this is

[5:00] going to be the real deal. And they

[5:01] weren't kidding. I mean, it is so windy

[5:04] outside. You can barely see anything.

[5:07] Trees are whipping around. Um, I've

[5:10] heard stuff flying

[5:12] by the house, you know, maybe people's

[5:14] trampolines

[5:16] and [laughter]

[5:17] whatever else they didn't secure. I have

[5:19] heard stuff banging and flying around

[5:21] and every time I look, I'm like, was

[5:23] that RSO about B? So, started about like

[5:25] 4 in the morning, I started hearing all

[5:27] these noises and I'm looking out and

[5:30] it's dark and so I can't really see

[5:31] anything, but I can hear stuff flying.

[5:33] So, I went downstairs to make sure that

[5:34] none of the stuff I had thought I

[5:36] secured was flying away, and it appeared

[5:38] to be it appeared to be good. So, be

[5:41] careful out there if you're try if

[5:42] you're traveling. I can't imagine what

[5:44] the freeways look like right now,

[5:46] especially going up to Phoenix. And just

[5:49] be cautious about what's going on.

[5:51] High-profile vehicle vehicles, that's

[5:53] always that's always a challenge. So,

[5:55] really pay attention to what's going on.

[5:57] I can't wait to jump into some of these

[5:59] news stories I have after the interview

[6:02] with Jesse Mine. I've got a couple I

[6:03] really want to talk about. Some of them,

[6:05] you know, they're they're just funny.

[6:07] And uh again, the news the news that's

[6:12] not really news, you know, I I I get it.

[6:14] Some people send stuff in and they're

[6:16] like, "Hey, can you can you give this

[6:18] thing some airtime?"

[6:20] Whatever it may be. Um

[6:24] it it's Yeah, it's going to be on that

[6:25] link, Tony. Sorry, I sent him that link

[6:27] right there. He'll be popping in

[6:29] shortly.

[6:30] The the news stories just kind of blow

[6:32] me away and I I I think you're going to

[6:33] go, "What in the heck?" You got to you

[6:36] got to spin them all with humor, though,

[6:37] because that's the only only way to get

[6:39] through them. But hey, you know, during

[6:40] the interview today with Officer Mine,

[6:42] if you find yourself wanting to ask

[6:43] questions about the dog and and some

[6:45] other stuff, I by all means ask away.

[6:47] You know, this is an opportunity that I

[6:50] also get because during the conference,

[6:51] you know, you you get the presentation

[6:53] of what he has time for. or so and I

[6:55] think it was only maybe half an hour or

[6:57] an hour and uh he had Tango with him and

[7:00] he showed us you officer Tango working

[7:03] but we're here to learn on this one for

[7:06] sure. So once officer Maine gets in here

[7:09] we will uh we will bring him on. In the

[7:12] meantime we will uh we'll jump to one of

[7:14] these stories that is just uh related to

[7:18] you know we were talking about I was at

[7:19] the Crimes Stoppers conference. So, a

[7:21] reward of up to $4,000 is being offered

[7:24] for information that could help solve a

[7:25] Tucson homicide from more than a decade

[7:27] ago. Tucson police say Isaldo Raul

[7:30] Vargas was shot outside of his house

[7:31] near 19th Street and 10th Avenue in

[7:34] January of 2014. Investigators say a

[7:38] dark colored SUV similar to a Dodge

[7:40] Durango or Chevy Blazer drove toward him

[7:43] and fired multiple shots. Vargas died

[7:46] from his injuries several days later.

[7:48] Anyone with information is asked to call

[7:52] 88 crime where you can remain anonymous.

[7:55] So I encourage you if you have any

[7:56] information on that case, please reach

[7:58] out. It's a cold case from 2014 and you

[8:02] know solving solving giving closure to

[8:04] families and stuff is important. Now I

[8:06] see uh Officer Maine has joined us here

[8:09] on the show and without further ado,

[8:13] let's turn it over

[8:15] from the York County Regional Police

[8:18] Department. How you doing this morning,

[8:19] Jesse?

[8:20] >> Hey, Dave. How are you? Good morning.

[8:22] >> I'm good, man. I'm good. Thanks for

[8:24] joining me.

[8:25] >> Connection. All right.

[8:26] >> Yeah, it looks great. Everything's good,

[8:28] you know, and it's Welcome from the East

[8:30] Coast, sir.

[8:32] >> Thank you. Yep. Thanks. I had I got to

[8:35] probably sleep a little longer than you

[8:36] this morning.

[8:37] >> Yeah. Yeah. It you know, I'm I'm up

[8:40] early most mornings just out of

[8:42] necessity, so I'm I'm kind of used to

[8:44] it. That's why my hair's gone. I

[8:46] actually had hair while I sleep.

[8:48] >> [laughter]

[8:49] >> So, hey, Officer Man, give us a rundown

[8:51] of of your career and how you end up

[8:54] with a K-9 like tango.

[8:58] >> Yeah, he's uh he is in the room with me.

[8:59] He's laying on the floor right now. I'll

[9:00] have to pop him up in the camera here at

[9:03] some point. Um so, I've been with York

[9:06] County Regional Police since the since I

[9:07] started my career. I've been there 10

[9:09] years now. Um about half my career I

[9:13] have been uh part of the Internet Crimes

[9:14] Against Children Task Force. So, a

[9:16] little over five years, but half my

[9:17] career I've been part of that um that

[9:19] task force in Pennsylvania. Every state

[9:21] across the United States has uh a very

[9:23] similar task force that that

[9:25] investigates crimes like that. Um back

[9:27] in the early part of my career, I always

[9:29] knew uh even before I became a police

[9:32] officer, when I knew I wanted to do this

[9:33] work, uh I always kind of wanted to be

[9:35] involved in K9 and have a dog in my

[9:38] career at some point. So, I had uh put

[9:40] in for that, you know, thought through

[9:42] our chain of command requested to to do

[9:45] K9 work with them and

[9:48] it took um a little bit of time just to

[9:50] be selected for it. We didn't have

[9:52] canines at the time. We had them years

[9:54] prior, but we were we didn't have them.

[9:56] So, it just took a little bit of time to

[9:57] get the unit, you know, up and running

[9:59] again. Um I was actually didn't even

[10:01] know about these types of dogs at the

[10:02] time. They were still very rare. Um, and

[10:05] when I was putting in for K9, you know,

[10:07] I was thinking that, you know, I was

[10:08] going to get a patrol dog or a drug dog

[10:10] or a bomb dog, something like that. You

[10:12] know, uh, my chief of police ended up

[10:14] uh, offering me or showing me this

[10:16] electronics canine um,

[10:19] company that that trains these dogs.

[10:21] And, uh, I knew nothing about it, you

[10:23] know what I mean? I had to do research

[10:24] at the time on it and what it was. It

[10:26] was new. We all had to do research. was

[10:27] they were again still pretty new early

[10:30] on in their uh kind of in their time of

[10:33] g getting put out in the United States.

[10:35] Um and then I just got selected for it

[10:37] and due to the work he does is that's

[10:39] when I had um started my time in the

[10:41] internet crimes against children task

[10:42] force and had been doing like I said

[10:44] been doing that for a little over five

[10:46] years now. So me and him he's been me

[10:48] and him joined the task force the exact

[10:50] same time together. So

[10:51] >> that's really cool. So, what let's go

[10:54] over Tango at the breed age and and how

[10:57] long.

[10:57] >> Yeah.

[10:58] >> Yeah. So, Tango's he's an English

[11:00] Labrador. Um he's seven years old now.

[11:03] He turned seven in August. Uh he's been

[11:04] in like I say he's been in service with

[11:05] me about a little over five years. Um

[11:09] he's like we I said before, he's an

[11:11] electronics K9. So, we call him

[11:12] electronic storage detection is what the

[11:14] ES you might see them sometimes. They're

[11:16] called ESD. You'll see an ESD K9. That's

[11:19] the ESD stands for electronic storage

[11:20] detection. Um yeah, he's seven years

[11:23] old. He's been a little over five years

[11:25] uh in service.

[11:28] So um he got trained initially uh at a

[11:32] company called Jordan Detection K9. Uh

[11:35] it's a company in Indiana that that

[11:37] trains these um electronics dogs. The

[11:39] majority of them come from uh his

[11:42] company. I know I don't know much about

[11:43] the other organizations or other

[11:44] companies that that do train them. I

[11:46] know there is some throughout the US

[11:47] that still that do train these

[11:49] electronics dogs, but uh that's where

[11:51] Tango came from. Jordan Detection came

[11:53] out out in Indiana. Um shout out to Todd

[11:56] Jordan out there is the chief trainer.

[11:57] He does uh does great work with these

[11:59] dogs.

[12:01] >> That's really cool. What's the hardest

[12:02] skill to learn about or I guess you say

[12:06] tasks or flow to learn about having a K9

[12:09] because you're you're basically reint

[12:11] you're like introducing

[12:13] this counterpart into your daily life. I

[12:16] mean, I think a lot of folks think that

[12:17] maybe the dogs just stay in some kind of

[12:20] housing at the police department, but

[12:21] that's not necessarily true, right? I

[12:23] mean, Tango's with you pretty often.

[12:25] >> Yeah, everybody has different things

[12:27] obviously they have to work around when

[12:28] they become a handler. You know, I I

[12:30] remember when I was in the initial

[12:32] school. Um, some handlers will change

[12:34] the name of their dog. Uh, so when you

[12:36] get assigned the dog, the dog already

[12:37] has a name obviously because it was

[12:39] trained by a puppy razor or has been

[12:41] trained there at the facility. So, they

[12:42] have to give it a name, you know. So,

[12:44] some handlers will actually change the

[12:45] name of the dog. I decided Tango was

[12:47] already named Tango when I got him. And

[12:49] uh I didn't I like the name to begin

[12:50] with, but the reason I say this is

[12:52] because I didn't want to deal with uh

[12:55] having to change have to have him learn

[12:58] a whole new name. You know, learning how

[12:59] to work a dog was hard enough for me

[13:01] alone, you know, to just figure out how

[13:03] to do it. Um so, just the one is just to

[13:06] start to build the bond with the dog.

[13:08] You know, the dog has been trained by

[13:09] other people before you get them. you

[13:11] know, they have a bond with those

[13:12] trainers to a degree, you know, but um

[13:14] it's just first off is just building

[13:16] that bond with the dog. a bond that

[13:17] you've never potent if you've never been

[13:19] a handler, a bond that you've never had

[13:21] before, you know. Um, and just working

[13:24] through those those little nuances of

[13:26] being, you know, those early stages of

[13:28] being a new handler, you know, learning

[13:30] what the dog will do. Um, learning the

[13:32] behavior of the dog, just learning in

[13:34] general how to work the dog because the

[13:37] dog, it's always, we always say in the

[13:40] in the handler world, it's not the dog's

[13:41] fault, it's the handler's fault.

[13:43] [laughter]

[13:43] the dog if if you know the dog isn't uh

[13:46] if if we don't think you know the dog

[13:48] might not be finding something or might

[13:50] be missing a device in training or

[13:52] something, it's not the dog's fault. The

[13:54] dog knows how to find it. It's it's your

[13:55] fault. You're not working the dog

[13:57] correctly. You know, it's usually falls

[13:58] back on the handler. So, just learning

[14:00] how to work a dog to begin with for the

[14:02] first time in my life was you know uh a

[14:04] hill I had to climb. And then just in

[14:06] your personal life, you know, it's it's

[14:08] you have to learn um how to you some

[14:12] people have dogs. You know, I had a dog

[14:13] I had a German Shepherd at the time and

[14:15] just incorporating them two together was

[14:17] a uh was a feat really to a task to have

[14:19] to overcome. I had a male German

[14:21] Shepherd. I had him for uh four and a

[14:23] half years. So, you know, I'm coming

[14:25] home from K9 school now with this new,

[14:27] you know, dad goes away for a few weeks

[14:29] and comes home and all of a [laughter]

[14:30] sudden I just show up, you know, with

[14:32] this new dog that's that that um that's

[14:34] never been in the house. And if

[14:35] anybody's ever owned German Shepherds

[14:37] before, especially males, they know

[14:38] they're kind of territorial. So just

[14:39] having to train both of them to be able

[14:41] to interact with each other and h and

[14:43] have a I guess a normal household, you

[14:45] know. Um so just overcoming just some

[14:48] stuff in the house and then and then

[14:49] these dogs are all the dogs trained at

[14:52] Jordan detection are all food rewarded

[14:53] canines. So they um they're they're not

[14:57] toy driven like a lot of other canines

[14:59] are where they get a bite, you know, a

[15:01] ball that they get when they find the

[15:02] drugs or they find the bomb or they you

[15:04] know they they catch the bad guy. Um

[15:06] they're these are food rewarded dogs. So

[15:08] because they are this way they have to

[15:10] train every single day to get their

[15:12] meals. Um they train I trained Tango

[15:15] twice a day in the early part of his

[15:17] career when I was obviously trying to

[15:18] build that bond and get him you know

[15:21] good at his job and get me good you know

[15:23] working with him I trained him three

[15:24] times a day for the majority of the

[15:26] time. Um so they train to eat their food

[15:29] you know so I train him about an hour

[15:30] ago for his breakfast and um that's how

[15:33] he gets his dinner or excuse me that's

[15:34] how he got his breakfast and I'll train

[15:35] him tonight and he'll get his dinner.

[15:36] you know we hide devices and he gets it.

[15:38] So just learning incorporating that in

[15:41] my daily life is also something you have

[15:43] to adjust to. Uh as I tell everybody

[15:46] over time it becomes a daily routine of

[15:48] yours like waking up and brushing your

[15:49] teeth. You know it becomes just part of

[15:51] your daily thing that you get very very

[15:53] used to doing it. But it um but it is a

[15:55] lot of work. It's something that you

[15:56] have to incorporate and you have to

[15:57] realize it's seven days 365 days a year.

[16:00] You know what I mean? That's your

[16:02] >> have this dog and you're training that

[16:04] dog, you know, and have to work them.

[16:06] >> That's a heck of a commitment. So, I've

[16:08] I've got uh all the photos you sent me

[16:10] of Tango here on on the screen. You

[16:13] can't see them, but on my end, I've got

[16:14] them.

[16:15] >> And the you know, I was talking to folks

[16:17] that I was going to be bringing you on

[16:19] today to talk about this.

[16:21] >> And the first question they get other

[16:22] than the breed, what the the first

[16:24] question they would ask other than the

[16:26] breed was, "How does Tango pick up on

[16:29] these storage devices? What what is

[16:31] going on inside of them that would

[16:34] attract Tango?" So, can can you

[16:36] elaborate on that for us?

[16:38] >> Yeah, I that's probably the most

[16:39] questions we I get asked all the time is

[16:41] how how are they finding these, you

[16:42] know? Um, so it's a long chemical name.

[16:46] Don't ask me to pronounce it because I

[16:47] know I'll butcher [laughter] it if I try

[16:48] to pronounce it right now, but we call

[16:50] it TPPO. It's it's like the acronym for

[16:52] it. Um, it's a chemical compound that's

[16:54] put on the circuit board of storage

[16:56] devices that keeps the device from

[16:58] overheating. So, as I always explain to

[17:00] people, like when your when you turn

[17:02] your phone on and your phone's on, it's

[17:03] heating up. you know, your circuit board

[17:05] getting hot. Um, it keeps that from

[17:07] overheating. Even a thumb drive, when

[17:08] you plug a thumb drive into the

[17:09] computer, that thumb drive is going to

[17:11] start to heat up because it's starting

[17:12] to do, you know, it's starting to do its

[17:14] job. It's working. So, um, it's just a

[17:16] chemical compound that's coated in there

[17:18] to keep it from overheating on those

[17:19] devices when they're when they're

[17:21] running or they're turned on.

[17:25] So with that, with knowing that now with

[17:28] these pictures, right, some of these are

[17:30] [clears throat] obviously,

[17:32] I would say, active searches that Tango

[17:34] is working. Um,

[17:36] >> Yep.

[17:37] >> So, kind of break it break it down. How

[17:39] do we end up here where Tango is

[17:43] doing this work? What is

[17:45] >> the um all those pictures you see that

[17:48] that I had uh sent over to you, they're

[17:49] all real world. So, they're all real

[17:51] world searches of him uh on different

[17:53] scenes. I think there was one I sent you

[17:55] there. He's sitting there. He's smiling

[17:56] on the bed with [laughter] is because

[17:58] that's some SD cards and micro SD cards

[18:00] that he found on the scene um inside of

[18:02] a bag. Um so, yeah. So, how these cases

[18:06] all originate, I mean, they come in

[18:07] different ways, you know what I mean?

[18:08] But, but the majority of cases like

[18:10] this, I'd say, come through what we call

[18:12] cyber tips. They call they come from the

[18:14] National Center on Missing and Exploited

[18:16] Children. um as simple as I can make it.

[18:19] You know, they'll start, not to throw

[18:22] any ESP or electronic service provider

[18:24] like under the under the bus here, but

[18:25] you know, they'll come from Snapchat or

[18:27] Tik Tok or Facebook. You know, they'll

[18:28] say, "Hey, there's um potential child

[18:31] exploitation material on our platform.

[18:34] Um we don't want it on our platform. We

[18:36] want, you know, they don't want th that

[18:39] type of stuff across their, you know,

[18:40] their networks." Um they'll report it.

[18:43] Uh the National Center on Mist Exploited

[18:45] Children compiles as much information as

[18:47] they can and they narrow down as best

[18:49] they can where they believe a potential

[18:52] suspect doing this resides at. Um and

[18:54] then it'll trickle down to to the you

[18:56] know the jurisdiction that covers that

[18:58] area where they believe that it is. Um

[18:59] so then me or another uh another

[19:02] detective will get assigned those the

[19:05] case and then there'll you'll start to

[19:06] investigate it. Obviously, um if we get

[19:09] if the investigation leads to a

[19:11] residence, uh a residential, you know,

[19:13] home or an apartment or something based

[19:15] off the investigation, then we'll we'll

[19:17] generally execute a search warrant on

[19:19] that residence, uh to further

[19:21] investigate, you know, anybody that

[19:22] potentially may reside there that is uh

[19:25] either uploading or sharing um child

[19:28] exploitation material. Um so then when

[19:31] we execute those search warrants, the

[19:33] majority, you know, what we're looking

[19:34] for is electronic stores devices. You

[19:36] know, a lot of this is done on the

[19:37] internet. You go to laptops, you know,

[19:38] thumb drives, phones, whatever, whatever

[19:41] you could really think of, you know, um,

[19:43] as we're looking for it, usually on

[19:44] scenes like that. And the smallest

[19:47] device Tango can find, uh, is a micro SD

[19:50] card. It's there's one in that picture

[19:51] that I said that's sitting on the bed

[19:53] there in front of him. Very, very small.

[19:54] As everybody knows, you know, micro SD

[19:56] cards and SIM cards the size of our

[19:58] pinky fingernail. It's very, very small.

[20:00] Um, so there's a lot of places you could

[20:01] put that. Um, so these dogs, you know,

[20:04] Tagle will go on scene with me and, uh,

[20:07] help us. Sometimes he'll do pre-arches

[20:09] is what we call it. So he'll, you know,

[20:11] investigators will say, "Hey, we just

[20:13] want him to search the room before we go

[20:14] in there." You know, there may not be

[20:16] what we call plain view devices sitting

[20:18] in the open. So you might go into a room

[20:20] and there's not laptops sitting in the

[20:21] open. There's not a bunch of devices

[20:23] sitting out. So investigators will say,

[20:24] "Hey, can you let Tango work the room?"

[20:27] And let him indicate and tell us where

[20:29] devices may be located within the room.

[20:31] Um, sometimes he'll do post searches

[20:33] too, meaning investigators will go into

[20:35] a room and they'll search it and uh

[20:38] they'll pull devices out, you know,

[20:40] they'll they'll take the plane view

[20:41] devices sitting in the open. They'll

[20:43] search the drawers, you know, under the

[20:44] bed, whatever to find what they want to

[20:47] what they can locate and then they'll

[20:48] have Tango search after the fact to make

[20:50] sure we did not miss anything. Um,

[20:52] happens regularly. We're humans and

[20:54] that's kind of why we have these dogs.

[20:56] you know, one, we just may completely

[20:58] miss something um that's not in our

[21:00] normal eye or or it may be hidden. You

[21:02] know, suspects will generally will hide

[21:04] this stuff on a regular basis uh so we

[21:07] don't find it, you know, because they

[21:08] know we we may be looking for it at some

[21:10] point. You know,

[21:11] >> what's the most complex type of area

[21:13] you've, you know, you've taken Tango to

[21:16] and you found something and you were

[21:17] like, "Whoa, what a trip."

[21:20] >> Yeah. I'm trying to think. Um, [snorts]

[21:24] honestly, and I don't remember for sure.

[21:26] In some of those pictures, I think you

[21:28] can tell just what the rooms look like,

[21:31] you know, many.

[21:32] >> Yeah, they're kind of messy. I noticed

[21:33] that. Yeah, I noticed that they tend to

[21:35] Is that like a correlation you see with

[21:36] these these predators? Yes. You know?

[21:39] >> Yes. A lot of these Yes. I I would say a

[21:41] lot of the correlation is I mean I I've

[21:43] probably Tango has been deployed on a

[21:46] little over 120 churches probably in his

[21:48] career and I'd say about 95% of them the

[21:51] houses are pretty you know cluttered and

[21:53] and um a lot of stuff you know kind of

[21:56] hoarded up or just stuff laying all over

[21:58] the place. So just his ability to work

[22:01] in those environments is great. Um just

[22:05] just to give you some examples of stuff

[22:07] you know that he f found you know in

[22:10] environments like that. I mean, really

[22:12] early on in his career, probably the

[22:14] first few months, uh he was working a

[22:16] very cluttered bedroom, a lot of stuff,

[22:19] uh he indicated on this little box and

[22:22] uh the investigators opened it up and

[22:25] I'm still a new handler at this point,

[22:26] you know, and and there's a pen inside

[22:28] of it. And I was thinking at first being

[22:31] a new handler, oh, he's false indicating

[22:34] on me is what we call it. You know, he's

[22:36] telling me there's something there and

[22:37] there's not. But I reverted back to the

[22:39] training that they train us and said,

[22:41] "Trust your dog." You know, the dog,

[22:43] trust what the dog's telling you. So, we

[22:46] looked at the um the the pen a little

[22:48] bit more and we took it apart and it was

[22:50] actually a camera and the very tip of

[22:52] the pen, the clicker was a pen in the

[22:54] very top. There's a little micro SD card

[22:57] that was inside of it. Um, so that just

[22:59] was an interesting find of his. Um, I

[23:02] could tell you another example. We call

[23:05] them, excuse me, we call them second

[23:08] offenders. So, meaning that they have

[23:10] already been convicted of some form of

[23:12] child crime or a sex offense in the past

[23:14] and they've, you know, served their time

[23:16] in in prison and they're back out again,

[23:18] you know, in society. Um, and then

[23:20] they're being reinvestigated, you know,

[23:22] for for another violation of sex offense

[23:25] or a child crime. So, we call them

[23:27] second offenders. I um I executed a

[23:29] search warrant one time um with a local

[23:31] and estate agency room. Again, very very

[23:34] cluttered, nothing in the open. They

[23:36] didn't see anything and they did do a

[23:38] pre-search. Uh never found anything. So,

[23:40] we ran Tango in the room and uh the only

[23:43] thing he indicated on in the room was a

[23:44] clothes hamper. Um I rewarded him, you

[23:47] know, moved him out of the room, put him

[23:49] back in the car, and when we went

[23:51] investigators went back and searched it,

[23:52] I I I was actually physically the one

[23:54] that picked the clothes hamper up. And

[23:56] it's full of stuff. It's full of trash,

[23:59] clothing, you know, dirty underwear,

[24:02] stuff none of us want to touch, even

[24:03] with gloves on. You know, investigators

[24:05] like we we don't want to touch that. So,

[24:07] we pick up the clothes hamper and we

[24:08] dumped it out. And it was almost like a

[24:10] scene from a movie. You know, the last

[24:12] thing that falls out of the clothes

[24:14] hamper was a cell phone. And because it

[24:17] was um facing upward the screen, a lot

[24:19] of our phones, you know, modern phones

[24:20] have facial recognition and they try to

[24:22] unlock with a with a face. it hits it

[24:25] sees us our faces looking at it and it

[24:27] tries to unlock itself because it's

[24:29] trying to do facial recognition and it

[24:30] was powered on. Um so uh they

[24:33] interviewed that that suspect and that

[24:35] suspect admitted that when he heard the

[24:37] police at the door knocking um for the

[24:39] search warrant that he tried to hide

[24:40] that and throw it in that nasty clothes

[24:42] hamper so we wouldn't find it. Uh now

[24:44] that that we told him the dog found it,

[24:46] he he admitted that he hid that. So just

[24:48] envir that's just you know two examples

[24:50] of interesting finds that he has had.

[24:52] Um, he's had many like that though, you

[24:56] know what I mean? Where it's it's if we

[24:57] did not have him, we more than likely

[24:59] would have never found the device we

[25:01] were looking for. You know, we would

[25:02] have completely missed it.

[25:04] >> Yeah, that's huge. I mean, you're you're

[25:06] talking about this difference of of

[25:08] justice and not justice when when Tango

[25:10] comes in. I mean,

[25:12] >> you're getting a case and and you likely

[25:15] had evidence on it, right? I mean, we're

[25:16] not hiding our phones for no reason. I'm

[25:18] not, you know, speculating or just

[25:21] >> Yes. Sometimes I get it. Yeah, sometimes

[25:23] I do get it relayed to me later on like,

[25:25] "Hey, what he found had evidence on it."

[25:26] Sometimes I don't. But I would wouldn't

[25:28] disagree with you there. If you're

[25:29] hiding it [laughter] in, if you're

[25:30] trying to hide it from us, there's

[25:31] probably going to be something of

[25:32] interest to us, you know, of evidentiary

[25:35] value is going to be on the device most

[25:36] likely. So

[25:38] >> you So, you know, you know, I was going

[25:39] to ask this and uh if you can't share,

[25:42] that's okay, but what's the the biggest

[25:44] or most impactful case

[25:47] >> you've worked on with Tango? And it

[25:49] doesn't necessarily need to be you know,

[25:51] headline worthy or, you know, had been

[25:53] in the news. But I would say a case that

[25:57] would yield a significant

[26:00] uh conviction and sentencing, you know,

[26:03] cuz I I remember when I worked in law

[26:05] enforcement, there were folks that would

[26:07] uh commit sex crimes and they would end

[26:10] up with 200 plus years. You know, I have

[26:13] my opinions on when we get to a certain

[26:15] threshold, I don't know what we're

[26:16] doing. You know what I mean? But yeah,

[26:18] >> but but in essence they would go to

[26:20] prison and their sentence would be 200

[26:22] years, right? And you would see like,

[26:24] >> you know, 60 counts of this, this, this,

[26:27] and this, and this. Do you have any case

[26:28] that you and Tango worked on where you

[26:31] can go, hey, yeah, this was the

[26:34] >> Yeah, I I do. Is there some that have

[26:37] held way longer sentences than others?

[26:39] Yes. I always say there every single one

[26:42] of them is impactful. You know what I

[26:43] mean? every child doesn't matter whether

[26:46] it's one image of of child exploitation

[26:48] material or you know or 10,000 or you

[26:52] know 500,000 um

[26:54] >> that child whether we know who they are

[26:56] in that image or video is a victim you

[26:58] know what I mean they will they're still

[27:01] being victimized by these uh by these

[27:03] individuals you know um even if the

[27:06] video and pictures you know 20 30 years

[27:08] old you know they're still being

[27:10] victimized by these individuals so I

[27:12] would say every single case that we're

[27:13] involved with or tango found stuff is is

[27:16] heavily impactful, you know, you're good

[27:18] can matter, you know. Um, but there

[27:21] there has been obviously cases that he's

[27:23] dealt with, you know, not to give case

[27:24] information out or or or individuals and

[27:26] they've been sentenced already, but you

[27:28] know, probably federal cases, you know,

[27:30] uh cases involving uh the federal level,

[27:33] uh FBI, stuff like that, you know,

[27:35] Department of Homeland Security.

[27:36] Obviously, the cases that they're

[27:37] handling are going to be a lot higher

[27:39] level uh than local police, you know. So

[27:41] just um uh he has found uh I remember a

[27:45] case

[27:47] uh probably two three years ago now um

[27:49] that he found some SD cards that were

[27:51] not initially found during a search uh

[27:53] for a federal case and that individual

[27:55] was convicted I think just recently in

[27:59] the last about the last year and he got

[28:01] uh 30 30 to 40 years in prison. Um uh he

[28:05] but he was a hands-on offender also. you

[28:07] know, we call hands-on offenders mean

[28:09] that they're not just possessing or um

[28:13] you know, dis distributing

[28:16] child sexual exploitation material.

[28:17] They're also either manufacturing it

[28:19] themselves with a with a child victim.

[28:22] Um so we call them, you know, hands-on

[28:23] offenders, hands-on sex offenders. Um

[28:26] probably a case you know similar cases

[28:27] like that usually at the federal level

[28:29] where he's found stuff and those

[28:30] individuals are getting convicted to you

[28:32] know like I said 30 40 and sometimes you

[28:34] like you're saying year I mean it could

[28:35] be like a 100 years you know sometimes

[28:36] you're seeing like well you know may

[28:38] maybe not in our lifetime maybe they'll

[28:40] figure out how humans can live that long

[28:42] but you know so um but yeah I always say

[28:45] that they're every single one no matter

[28:46] you know what level it is whether it's a

[28:48] local police level or all the way up the

[28:50] federal you know they're all um can be

[28:53] heavily impactful you know and can make

[28:54] make a big big difference, you know, in

[28:57] Cesar. So,

[28:58] >> I I just hope people can understand and

[29:02] just really see how important the work

[29:05] you guys do is because this is going on

[29:08] like crazy.

[29:10] I mean, it it was constant. So, I when I

[29:12] when I was working at the the local

[29:15] police department here that I worked

[29:16] for, I was at the school I was a school

[29:18] resource officer. So, you can imagine

[29:19] that I would get those Nickmick

[29:21] >> Yeah.

[29:21] >> tips pretty often. Tips come through.

[29:23] Yeah.

[29:23] >> Yeah. they come through for the for the

[29:25] students at the school and you know the

[29:26] school only had you know at the time

[29:28] probably 2500 students um and that that

[29:31] that's just like a like a little island

[29:33] right and I remember the amount of tips

[29:35] and stuff that would come in and I I

[29:37] think about you so York County

[29:40] >> so are you guys covering several

[29:41] different like little municipalities

[29:44] I mean what's going on so over here you

[29:46] know in Arizona especially where we're

[29:48] at in southern Arizona you have every

[29:49] municipality has its own police

[29:51] department for the most part and then we

[29:53] have the county sheriff tiff that covers

[29:55] like the rural rural areas and whatnot

[29:57] and the unincorporated spots, but are

[29:58] you guys covering a a bunch of different

[30:00] things because it says re

[30:02] >> Yeah. So, so the majority of

[30:03] Pennsylvania is similar to Arizona that

[30:05] you know that there's single

[30:06] municipality police departments, whether

[30:08] it's a township, a burrow, you know, is

[30:10] being covered by their own police. Um

[30:13] there has been this trend, I'd say,

[30:14] across some counties in Pennsylvania. Uh

[30:17] there's the regional police departments

[30:19] exist, which is um what I work for. And

[30:21] it the only way I could describe it is

[30:23] it's kind of like a county police

[30:25] department. So that's why our you know

[30:27] our our departmental name is York County

[30:29] Regional Police. Um what happens is

[30:31] these municipalities kind of come

[30:33] together and say hey we want to have one

[30:35] single police department together you

[30:37] know. So there um we cover I'd say a

[30:41] little less than half of York County. Um

[30:44] there's a couple other regional agencies

[30:46] in York County. There's another one very

[30:47] similar size to us that covers a large

[30:50] majority of the county also. And then

[30:51] there is still single municipalities

[30:53] that exist um um across uh P, you know,

[30:56] across your county and PA that that is

[30:58] still covered by single municipality

[30:59] police departments. I don't know if it's

[31:01] like this in Arizona. Any of the

[31:02] municipalities that don't have a local

[31:04] police are covered by the state police.

[31:06] Um there's there's a lot of rural area.

[31:09] If you've ever been to Pennsylvania, you

[31:10] know, very very rural area in some parts

[31:13] of the state, you know, mountain area

[31:14] that there's residential or resident,

[31:17] you know, population size is very very

[31:18] small, you know, so they just forward or

[31:21] don't have their own local police. The

[31:22] state police covers any area that is uh

[31:24] not doesn't have a local police covering

[31:26] it.

[31:27] >> Oh wow. Yeah, that's a little different

[31:28] here. So here the county the counties

[31:30] would cover those areas uh that don't

[31:32] have like their own municip municipal

[31:34] police and then the state police we call

[31:36] them the state troopers. So, we can't

[31:38] get that wrong here. That changes.

[31:40] [laughter]

[31:40] >> Don't call the police.

[31:42] >> The state troopers, you know, they they

[31:44] ride the highways here. Um, and that's

[31:46] pretty much the only time they leave

[31:48] that is, you know, they do have some

[31:49] specific units. The state police does,

[31:52] um, uh, you know, like, uh,

[31:54] >> autotheft task force, uh, gang stuff,

[31:57] uh, and some drug, you know, drug

[31:59] operations stuff that they work on. But

[32:01] for the most part, our, uh, state

[32:02] troopers stick to the highways. So, uh,

[32:05] you know, some of those folks that work

[32:06] in the local or worked in the local

[32:08] police would would make remarks about

[32:10] that because they would be like, "Oh,

[32:11] they left the highway. It's not our

[32:12] problem." You know, [laughter]

[32:16] >> we're done. So, but yeah, I thought it

[32:18] was interesting. I was kind of curious

[32:19] about how you guys were set up out

[32:20] there.

[32:21] >> Yeah. So, and you you touched on this

[32:23] the the amount of like cyber tips, you

[32:25] know, you were saying you got them in

[32:26] the school, you know, with the SRO.

[32:28] >> It's unfortunate, but we do get a lot,

[32:30] you know. Um I and I know there's like

[32:32] large cities, you know, that are getting

[32:35] thousands and thousands a year, you

[32:36] know, they're getting assigned to them.

[32:39] Um I know there's a dog, shout out to K9

[32:41] ESD K9 Chewy out in um California. Um I

[32:46] know there's another dog out in that

[32:47] area, but there's, you know, heavily

[32:48] populated county out there. They're

[32:50] running, as far as I would, as far as I

[32:52] know per they're running multiple

[32:54] warrants a week, you know, and that's

[32:56] how many tips they're probably getting

[32:58] in cases that they're that's just an

[32:59] example I can give is I know they're a

[33:01] heavily active K9 team, you know what I

[33:03] mean? They're they're out um all the

[33:05] time, you know, for stuff. So, some

[33:06] areas just more busy than others. You

[33:08] know, they have more population size.

[33:09] Obviously, the cities are going to get

[33:10] more of these tips, but that, you know,

[33:12] it is a lot. It's a large influx. And um

[33:15] you know there's some ESPs we're getting

[33:18] more tips from than others. You know

[33:21] ESPs again meaning electronic service

[33:23] providers like you know uh Facebook,

[33:25] Instagram, Snapchat, etc. Um we were

[33:27] just actually at the uh child crimes

[33:29] conference IAT conference in

[33:31] Pennsylvania um about a week or two ago

[33:34] and uh we had some Roblox was there and

[33:36] Tik Tok and Snapchat. They all spoke to

[33:38] us and I always I will say um listening

[33:41] to them speak to us their

[33:42] representatives they are making an

[33:45] effort to make a high effort to make

[33:48] their platform safe. You know they don't

[33:50] want this stuff going on on their

[33:52] platforms. You know I've heard a lot of

[33:54] times you know out in public or whatever

[33:57] you know uh you know this platform sucks

[34:00] because they let this stuff go on all

[34:02] the time or they don't care. Are there

[34:04] platforms like that that exist out

[34:06] there? Absolutely. there's platforms

[34:07] that do not care, you know, and or

[34:09] they're not cooperative with law

[34:10] enforcement, etc.

[34:12] >> What would be one of those? What would

[34:13] be one of those that you would say,

[34:14] "Hey,

[34:16] >> one that comes to mind immediately is

[34:18] Telegram."

[34:18] >> Telegram.

[34:19] >> Telegram

[34:21] is one that that exists that is a one I

[34:23] would stay far away from it. Um, you

[34:26] know, there's a lot of child

[34:27] exploitation material that gets thrown

[34:28] across that platform and they're they're

[34:30] overall not cooperative in law

[34:32] enforcement. Uh, they had a lot of legal

[34:34] troubles. um in the past few years I

[34:38] know I don't know if it's you know the

[34:40] creators of it or the owners but

[34:41] somebody involved in the higher echelon

[34:44] of telegram you know was arrested I

[34:46] think in France or I know it was in

[34:47] Europe um within the last few years

[34:50] because they weren't cooperating with

[34:51] law enforcement they will at their very

[34:55] bare minimum now you know only because

[34:57] they're required by certain laws that

[34:59] they have to but they won't cooperate

[35:01] and give you they won't give you

[35:02] anything they're not required to give

[35:04] you'll tell Right. So, you'll need

[35:05] search warrant to get anything.

[35:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. If you're even with a search

[35:09] warrant, you're you're you're not

[35:11] getting a lot, you know, of substance

[35:13] back from them. But the majority of the

[35:15] ones, you know, that that every I'd say,

[35:17] you know, the everyday user uses, you

[35:19] know, that we like to to say is, you

[35:21] know, the the Instagrams, the Facebooks,

[35:23] the Snapchats, you know, um this stuff

[35:25] goes on on their platforms obviously,

[35:26] but I always say they don't want it

[35:28] going on on their platforms. you know,

[35:30] that they're doing their best to try to

[35:31] combat it occurring on their platforms

[35:34] and remove the users and and assist law

[35:37] enforcement. You know, most of them are

[35:39] very very cooperative with us to to to

[35:41] investigate these things to make sure

[35:43] that we are either finding the suspects,

[35:44] you know, and they again, they don't

[35:46] want them on the platform either, you

[35:48] know.

[35:48] >> Right. Right. Well, I as as when I was

[35:51] working, so this would have been like

[35:52] 201920.

[35:54] I found those platforms pretty

[35:55] supportive in general, too, with I had a

[35:57] couple drug cases that I worked in sent

[36:00] in uh search warrant stuff for it and

[36:02] they sent just an insane amount of data.

[36:05] I was very

[36:05] >> Yeah. Sometimes sometimes they'll just

[36:07] send you like everything they got for it

[36:09] because again, they don't want they

[36:10] don't want criminal Yeah. They don't

[36:12] want criminal activity occurring on

[36:13] their platform, you know? They they

[36:15] don't want it. Um, and and I would say,

[36:17] uh, like I said, they've made some of

[36:19] the ones that had a lot of issues in the

[36:21] last few years have made a a big effort

[36:24] to combat and make changes to to make it

[36:27] better. I mean, what was it a year or

[36:29] two ago that Tik Tok had that like week

[36:31] shutdown in the United States, like

[36:33] completely shut the platform off,

[36:34] >> you know, and uh, it's obviously back up

[36:36] and running now, but it's because they

[36:37] made changes, you know, they started to

[36:39] make some changes on their platform to

[36:40] to make it safer, you know.

[36:43] I have seen a decrease in cyber tips

[36:46] from from you know just Tik Tok alone

[36:49] ever since those changes were being made

[36:51] you know which is a good thing you know

[36:52] the less we're seeing that means the

[36:54] less of this type of stuff exploitation

[36:56] stuff is going on their platform you

[36:58] know

[36:58] >> right right okay so we're getting close

[36:59] to the end here so I I just have a

[37:01] couple more questions for you if you got

[37:02] time uh the first one is is ESD dogs

[37:05] like Tango

[37:06] >> are you seeing more getting trained and

[37:10] are you seeing police departments

[37:11] throughout the us hoping to get a tango

[37:15] cuz from what I remember from your

[37:17] presentation, there's not a ton of them.

[37:20] There's not a lot of them.

[37:21] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd say there's a little

[37:22] over 300 of them. It's

[37:25] >> Don't quote me on numbers. The ones that

[37:26] I know of. Yeah.

[37:27] >> There's a little over 300 and that's

[37:29] across the world.

[37:31] >> The majority are in the United States,

[37:32] but there is uh again there may be dogs

[37:35] that that that are out there that I

[37:36] don't know that exist, but the ones that

[37:37] I know that are out there is a little

[37:39] over 300 across the world. and uh the

[37:41] majority are in the United States, but

[37:43] there is dogs that they're putting out,

[37:44] you know, in Canada, in South America,

[37:46] in Asia, Europe, etc. to try to get

[37:48] these dogs out to these these law

[37:50] enforcements uh across the world because

[37:52] this stuff is obviously not just

[37:54] occurring in the United States. Um yeah,

[37:56] so I'd say there's a little over 300 and

[37:58] and yes, there has been a large increase

[38:00] uh in the the need or the want for these

[38:02] dogs. Uh Tango was the 54th trained dog

[38:05] with Jordan Detection K9. He was kind of

[38:07] early on. Now they're a little over 300

[38:08] trained through them. Um, so, um, he's

[38:11] not he's not an OG dog, I'd say, yet,

[38:15] but the trainers might say he's starting

[38:17] to get in the OG world now. Now, he's

[38:19] start but they, um,

[38:21] >> yes, there there's more and more

[38:23] agencies wanting them and putting in for

[38:25] them. Um, obviously there's, you know,

[38:27] there's probably more putting in than we

[38:29] have, you know, that are being trained,

[38:31] you know. So, um, I know they're trying

[38:33] to do their best to get dogs because

[38:36] there's still states that don't have

[38:37] them, you know, that we know that don't

[38:38] even have them yet. So, I know they're

[38:40] trying to they're trying their best to

[38:41] get these canines and at least get one

[38:44] in every state, you know, as best they

[38:46] can and more, you know, than they can,

[38:48] especially in larger states like

[38:49] Pennsylvania. We have, I think, uh,

[38:52] eight or nine of them now, um, across

[38:54] the state of Pennsylvania because it's a

[38:56] large state, you know what I mean? We

[38:57] try to cover cover the area as best we

[38:59] can.

[38:59] >> Right. Right. So, the organization that

[39:01] trains these dogs, can you remind us who

[39:04] that is again and how do how do how do

[39:05] regular citizens support these guys?

[39:09] >> Yeah, so Tango is trained at Jordan

[39:11] Detection K9 in Indiana. Um, he has a

[39:14] website you can get on there and kind of

[39:15] read about the dogs. So, Tango is also

[39:18] sponsored by a company called Our

[39:19] Rescue. Um, Our Rescue sponsors uh I

[39:23] think it's a little over 150 of the dogs

[39:26] um across the world. They have a couple

[39:28] dogs in in in different uh continents

[39:30] that they that they sponsor. Um so they

[39:35] support ES these ESD dogs and they also

[39:38] support law enforcement just in um uh

[39:42] different stuff like forensic stuff. For

[39:43] example, I I just was uh recently

[39:45] certified in the computer forensics

[39:47] world. So I just recently became a

[39:48] computer forensics examiner. Uh and they

[39:50] they um sponsor me to go there also. Um

[39:53] they're a nonprofit organization.

[39:54] Everything is donated to them by donors.

[39:57] Um, so they're supporting these dogs and

[40:00] uh and law enforcement across the world

[40:02] just by people donating to them. Um, you

[40:05] can go to their website, ourrescue.org.

[40:08] Uh, it's urrescue.org.

[40:10] You can go on there and donate to them

[40:11] and and you can support the canines on

[40:14] there. There's a a donation spot on

[40:15] there or just donate for other, you

[40:18] know, like I said, for other law

[40:19] enforcement support like digital

[40:20] forensic support, digital forensic

[40:22] software. or anybody that's been

[40:24] involved in that world that might be

[40:25] listening knows that stuff's extremely

[40:27] expensive, you know, it's very very very

[40:30] expensive the the stuff that that

[40:32] involves that the world of digital

[40:33] forensics. So yeah, they they support

[40:35] about 150 of the dogs

[40:37] >> across the world and they're great.

[40:38] They're an amazing organization and

[40:40] they're there's really their biggest

[40:43] mission is to combat human trafficking

[40:46] and child exploitation. you know, that's

[40:48] their biggest mission is to do that and

[40:50] and they're doing that dayto day, you

[40:52] know, by supporting local law or

[40:54] supporting law enforcement and the dogs

[40:56] and and and you know, digital forensics

[40:58] world, etc. [snorts]

[41:00] >> Thank you. Yeah. So, hey listeners,

[41:01] viewers, if you're looking for, you

[41:03] know, that the season of giving is is

[41:05] upon us here, the end of the year. Uh

[41:08] let's support our rescue. Let's let's go

[41:09] ahead and do that and and let's make a

[41:12] let's keep this impact going. This is

[41:13] great work, Jesse. Hey, here's here's my

[41:16] favorite part about the presentation.

[41:18] Not only you I mean you're awesome,

[41:19] dude. I don't know if this was your

[41:20] first show or not, but you you you

[41:22] crushed it and props to you for coming

[41:24] on and taking time to join us. I know

[41:26] you have a

[41:27] >> lot a lot of different presentations

[41:28] like you the one you were at before, but

[41:30] yeah, first show. First podcast show.

[41:31] >> Hey, congratulations. Hey, glad that it

[41:33] was with me and

[41:34] >> you guys got the first one.

[41:36] >> Yeah, this is how cool is networking,

[41:38] right? We we never met before. We go to

[41:40] this conference and now we're on a show

[41:42] together. I think

[41:43] >> it is great. It really is. That's some

[41:45] some of the best things you could do in

[41:46] this world is the network, you know.

[41:47] >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I and

[41:49] I'll make sure to keep in touch with

[41:50] you. So, you know, maybe we make this

[41:52] happen every couple months and get an

[41:53] update on what's going on in the crime

[41:55] world on the internet.

[41:57] >> The the coolest the coolest thing

[41:58] though,

[42:00] >> Tango has an Instagram.

[42:03] >> He does. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah, he does

[42:05] have an Instagram. Yeah, you can follow

[42:07] him. You can follow him uh uh on there.

[42:09] It's ESDK9

[42:12] Tango. So you can get on there and

[42:14] follow him. Uh try to keep him up to

[42:16] date, you know, on what what he's doing

[42:18] here and there. Uh there's a lot of real

[42:20] real world photos on there, you know

[42:22] what I mean, of him of him on scenes and

[42:23] and finding stuff. Some cute pictures,

[42:25] you know, just some stuff he's doing.

[42:27] Let me get him up in here real quick.

[42:28] >> Yeah. Let's let's see uh let's see

[42:29] Tango.

[42:31] >> He was asleep [laughter] on the floor.

[42:33] >> Oh, he's got his big stretch going here.

[42:36] >> Oh, I'm jealous. I wish that was me.

[42:39] [groaning]

[42:40] >> Oh, there's Tango. [laughter]

[42:43] Hi, T.

[42:43] >> There he is.

[42:44] >> Oh, look at that.

[42:45] >> He's just been sleeping on the floor.

[42:46] He's like, "Come on, Dad. Why you waking

[42:47] up?" [laughter]

[42:48] >> Been working hard. Look at that. Oh, how

[42:51] cute. I love it. I love it. Yeah. So,

[42:53] hey, go follow Tango's Instagram. How

[42:56] cool is that that you can go and just

[42:58] keep, you know, keep checking. I'm a

[42:59] follower now. I don't know if you saw

[43:01] that.

[43:01] >> Yeah, it's it it is great. It's It's fun

[43:03] to be able to like just kind of keep out

[43:05] there what he's what he's doing and, you

[43:07] know what I mean? And I know there's a

[43:08] lot of Hey, follow a lot of the other

[43:09] ones. There's a lot of the ESD dogs do

[43:11] have their own social media and uh that

[43:13] are on there that are constantly you

[43:15] know putting out their what they're

[43:17] doing dayto-day and and some uh

[43:19] trainings for parents uh you know for

[43:22] for what apps to stay away from or what

[43:25] apps to be cautious of etc. You know

[43:27] we're always trying to put some good

[43:28] information out there.

[43:29] >> Right. Right. So, hey, I say the next

[43:30] one we do, if you're cool with it, uh

[43:32] maybe next time, sometime next month or

[43:34] December if you can. Let's talk about

[43:37] apps and let's let's just do like a

[43:39] parents awareness thing. We're going to

[43:41] be coming towards the end of the

[43:42] semester. I think it's great. Uh some

[43:44] some information to put out. I think you

[43:46] have a lot of knowledge in those apps

[43:48] and and what to look for and what to

[43:49] stay away from. I think it'd be cool if

[43:51] you're interested. So, just let me know.

[43:52] You don't have to answer that today, but

[43:54] uh yeah, just let me know.

[43:55] >> No, I think it's great. I think I think

[43:57] just educate that's what you can do the

[44:00] best is educate people you know what I

[44:01] mean is educate parents and and uh

[44:04] >> a lot of a lot of it falls back on that

[44:06] alone you know what I mean just

[44:08] educating everybody on to make it all

[44:12] it'll only get better if we if we know

[44:14] you know there's many times I talk to

[44:15] parents and stuff they don't even know

[44:16] what the apps are you know or what

[44:18] occurs on them or or they didn't know

[44:20] they just thought it was hey you know

[44:22] they're on there watching videos

[44:23] innocent videos you know and they don't

[44:25] realize what's going on platform

[44:26] sometimes. So, yeah, just education will

[44:29] just make the the world safer for all of

[44:31] the kids, you know.

[44:32] >> Yeah, I think it's I think I've seen

[44:33] this saying and I'll probably get this

[44:35] wrong because I'm, you know, I'm just

[44:36] probably will,

[44:37] >> but it's like when you give your

[44:39] children, you know, you think they have

[44:40] the world in their hands, but the world

[44:42] has them

[44:43] >> is when when you get the phone uh give

[44:45] the phone to a kid. So, I I hear that

[44:47] statement, I'm like, "Oh, man. That's

[44:49] that's the truth." So

[44:50] >> I I always have a slide in in an

[44:52] internet safety talk I give that uh it's

[44:54] a picture of the world and there's a

[44:56] bunch of fingers touching the world and

[44:58] the point of there's no words on the

[45:00] slide and I always say that that all

[45:01] that slide means is that when you give a

[45:04] phone or the internet access to a kid

[45:05] the world is at the tip of their

[45:07] fingers.

[45:07] >> Yeah.

[45:08] >> Oh man. Yeah. Well, hey, thank you so

[45:10] much for joining us from uh York County.

[45:12] It's been a pleasure and I look forward

[45:14] to talking to you again soon. You know,

[45:17] stay safe out there. you are in that in

[45:19] that world of law enforcement. So, uh,

[45:21] and keep doing the, man, this is the

[45:23] work you do, you and Tango. I I can't

[45:25] thank you enough.

[45:27] >> Yeah. Thanks, Dave. Thanks for having us

[45:28] on. We had a good time. Yeah, we'll

[45:30] definitely get together again and do it

[45:31] again.

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[45:34] back, we're going to go over a couple

[45:35] stories here uh locally and some tech

[45:38] stuff. So,

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[49:45] think he's got something up his sleeve.

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[49:48] got somebody else. But, okay, let's jump

[49:50] into Let's jump into news here. Uh, we

[49:53] got a couple minutes left. And of

[49:55] course, we can't forget the meme of the

[49:57] day. We got to do that. That's part of

[49:58] the gig here. All right. So, the first

[50:00] one I want to talk about is Tesla. I

[50:02] don't know if any of you have seen the

[50:05] videos of the the Tesla going into the

[50:08] air and spinning

[50:11] and then landing softly.

[50:14] And the way they did this was compressed

[50:16] air. And there's actually video of Elon

[50:20] talking about this concept back in 2018

[50:24] where he basically came out on the Joe

[50:25] Rogan show and said, "Hey, we're going

[50:27] to do this." and they've made it happen

[50:30] and they showed it at an expo. So this

[50:33] picture I I'm going to show you right

[50:34] here. So this is the Tesla

[50:37] driving upside down on a roadway.

[50:41] It comes off initiates the the air

[50:45] compressed air and lands. So if you go

[50:47] go on any of your social platforms and

[50:48] look it up, um I I didn't have the video

[50:50] to I just didn't have it ready in time

[50:53] because some things pop up and you're

[50:54] like, "Oh man, I forgot to put that link

[50:56] in there." But do yourself a favor, go

[50:58] check out the video on one of your

[50:58] social media platforms and watch this. I

[51:00] had to watch it several times cuz, you

[51:02] know, with with the AI and everything

[51:03] else, you're just like, is it real? I

[51:06] don't know. It's kind of hard to see. It

[51:08] it it's weird. It could look fake. But

[51:11] anyways, I'm looking at some news

[51:12] stories about it today, this morning,

[51:14] and uh they're they're claiming that

[51:16] it's it's legit. And it's just something

[51:18] to see where we're going. Of course,

[51:21] there's been memes about this this car

[51:24] and it's like police pull over and then

[51:27] it's like me and it's the the car

[51:29] flipping over other cars and doing all

[51:31] kinds of stuff. So, it's it's pretty

[51:33] funny that that that is an interesting

[51:34] concept though. You know what's going to

[51:37] h where are we going with all this? I I

[51:38] I don't know.

[51:41] Everything's moving so fast. It's why

[51:43] you got to stay on top of everything you

[51:44] can. Okay, let's jump into the let's

[51:46] jump into the meme of the day.

[51:49] If you're seeing this, you I think we've

[51:51] all been there.

[51:53] You're grocery shopping, you're at the

[51:55] store, you're just you you're going

[51:57] there for that like one or two things

[51:59] that you need

[52:02] to get back home.

[52:04] Wife sends you on a on a quick mission.

[52:06] Hey, can you go grab this at the store?

[52:10] And you go to selfch checkout. And the

[52:12] reason you go to selfch checkckout is

[52:13] likely because there's no other

[52:16] cash registers open or you're going

[52:20] there because you're like, you know

[52:22] what, I'm going to just get in and out.

[52:23] Especially at Walmart, right? You're

[52:25] just like, I'm just going to go handle

[52:26] this myself and I'm going to glide right

[52:28] out of here.

[52:31] And then something happens at the cash

[52:34] reg the the selfserve cash register and

[52:38] uh

[52:39] you're not going anywhere.

[52:41] me waiting for the cashier to notice me

[52:44] after I screwed up the selfch checkout

[52:45] again.

[52:49] >> I don't know about you you guys, but

[52:51] every time for me it's because I

[52:54] accidentally double scan an item

[52:59] and

[53:01] I double scan an item. I'm like, "Hey,

[53:03] can you come and you come and take this

[53:05] off?" Right? And then you get the you

[53:08] get the ones that are just like you just

[53:10] ruined their day because they have to go

[53:11] over there and help you.

[53:15] Like I the most of the folks they have

[53:17] working at the selfch checkckout

[53:19] stations, I imagine

[53:22] they're not at a regular register for a

[53:24] reason. Not hating on them. I'm just

[53:27] saying maybe that they they either like

[53:28] it or they're just like they don't

[53:30] really want to deal with people. You

[53:32] know, there's an expectation that we're

[53:33] going to go in there and we're going to

[53:34] handle stuff ourselves.

[53:37] but uh it doesn't happen. So that's me.

[53:41] I I try to not go to those anymore. I'm

[53:44] really I'm really adamant about having

[53:46] somebody else ring up everything and you

[53:48] know if I have a lot of stuff, I'm not

[53:49] doing it. I don't know about you, but

[53:51] I'm not doing it.

[53:54] Why why why are people going to selfch

[53:56] checkckout still? Is it just is it like

[53:58] the example I'm telling you where you're

[53:59] just trying to jump in real quick and

[54:00] then get in and get out? But yeah, that

[54:04] happens. So that's the meme of the day.

[54:06] Okay, I'm going to tell you a new story

[54:08] that I have here.

[54:10] This is not a meme.

[54:12] This is a real story

[54:15] on KBOa.

[54:19] You take it for what it is. You You

[54:21] think about this one. I'm not Jo. This

[54:23] is real. I didn't make this up.

[54:28] Okay.

[54:30] Tucson gun owners can trade firearms for

[54:33] garden tools this Saturday.

[54:37] Tonins with Thanks, Tony. Donins with

[54:40] unwanted firearms have a chance to

[54:42] safely surrender them this weekend and

[54:43] turn them into garden tools. The guns to

[54:46] garden or sorry, the guns to gardens

[54:48] event is this Saturday from 10:00 a.m.

[54:50] to noon at St. Phillips in the Hills

[54:52] church near River and Campbell.

[54:55] Organizers say, "Leave guns in your

[54:57] trunk and enter from the Campbell

[54:59] entrance where a volunteer will take

[55:00] them. A blacksmithing demonstration will

[55:03] follow this Sunday from noon to 2:00

[55:06] p.m. Now,

[55:09] there's a flyer on here if you go to the

[55:12] article. So, if you're interested in

[55:13] going and surrendering your guns for

[55:15] garden tools, here's the thing that I I

[55:17] I'm It's kind I'm perplexed here.

[55:20] Um,

[55:23] I'm not seeing what kind of tools we're

[55:25] getting here.

[55:26] Like I if I'm if I'm giving you a good a

[55:29] good gun, I'm hoping for a rake at the

[55:32] very least.

[55:35] The good news is there's going to be

[55:37] another one at Fascinations in a couple

[55:41] months where you can drop your guns off

[55:46] and get what you need there.

[55:48] I'm joking about that one, by the way.

[55:50] That's a joke. So, that's me spinning

[55:52] some humor on this whole situation.

[55:54] Look, I get people want to be safe with

[55:55] guns. I get the cause. It's cool, but

[56:00] I don't know. At least say what kind of

[56:02] tools we're getting here. Rakes. Uh uh,

[56:06] you know, a lawn mower.

[56:08] What do we getting? Just a a shovel.

[56:12] That's just interesting. Do you get more

[56:14] tools for the more guns you bring? The

[56:16] article is so vague. The article is

[56:18] literally one, two, three, four, five,

[56:20] six lines.

[56:27] Did you pay for that piece? I don't

[56:29] know. But anyways, if you're looking for

[56:30] the guns and guns to gardens event,

[56:34] you can uh go ahead and drop voluntarily

[56:36] drop off your weapons there. Expect

[56:37] weight times from 30 to 40 minutes

[56:39] according to the flyer and uh do what

[56:42] you need to do there. though. Again,

[56:45] I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not Christopher

[56:47] D. Simone, but I get why he has plenty

[56:51] of material. I really do. I It just It's

[56:54] It's Look, I get the passion behind what

[56:57] you're doing, and I'm just having fun

[56:59] with it. But if you guys are going to do

[57:02] the article, at least give them a little

[57:04] bit more information. I think people

[57:06] really genuinely want to know what kind

[57:08] of tools to expect if they're going to

[57:10] come up and drive and drop off the guns.

[57:13] It's all I'm going to say. That's it.

[57:17] It's been a pleasure being with you this

[57:19] Friday on the David Somano Show. It was

[57:22] awesome having Officer Maine from York

[57:25] County Regional Police Department and

[57:27] his partner, his ESD dog, Kanine Tango.

[57:31] We did get to see Tango at the end.

[57:33] Tango was sleeping, but we talked some

[57:35] good stories about him and I think it

[57:37] was a great episode. I had a lot of fun

[57:39] and I look forward to Monday. Monday,

[57:41] Edgar Sto, who's running for the state

[57:44] senate in LD17, is going to be joining

[57:46] me here in studio. So, if you have

[57:49] questions for Edgar, what why what he's

[57:51] running on, why he's running, um make

[57:54] sure to chime in with that. I've known

[57:56] Edgar for a few years now. I I really

[57:58] enjoy uh being a friend of his and uh

[58:02] you know I wanted to give him the

[58:03] opportunity to to have a chat and I'm

[58:06] going to tell you I'm not a softballer.

[58:11] So Edgar if you're listening or watching

[58:13] we're going to have a real in-depth

[58:14] conversation. Now I'm not a go I'm not a

[58:17] gotcha guy either. I just really like to

[58:20] get information out. And the perfect

[58:21] example was with you know with officer

[58:24] Jesse Maine. We talked about legitimate

[58:26] information. We didn't sugar coat

[58:28] anything. We got straight to the point

[58:29] and that's what we're going to do. And

[58:30] if there's anybody else that wants to

[58:32] join me on the show, I don't care what

[58:33] side you're on, you are welcome to jump

[58:37] on. I look forward to uh having have

[58:39] Edgar here and anybody else that wants

[58:41] to join in. And you know, part of this

[58:42] program is talking news and politics and

[58:45] stuff like that. So, have have your have

[58:48] your speech ready, have your answers

[58:49] ready. Don't come on cold. That's a bad

[58:52] idea.

[58:54] Anyways, y'all have a great weekend.

[58:56] Hope to see you at the pumpkin patch. If

[58:58] if you're there, you know, make it

[59:00] known. Share share on social media that

[59:01] you're there to see Live the Dream Media

[59:03] and and Christopher D. Simone at the

[59:05] event and all the other guests we're

[59:06] going to have. Let's have a great time.

[59:08] It might be a little breezy, but we're

[59:09] going to have a lot of fun out there.

[59:10] So, everybody be kind to each other.

[59:12] Have a great