The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour (PBS) - 1992-07-23 - 2 of 2

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[0:00] organized by the local Catholic Church.

[0:03] Psychologist Ombberto Rodriguez works

[0:05] with the commission.

[0:09] >> There is a loss of rationality here

[0:11] because of the war. Fantasies grow

[0:13] tremendously. We begin to be afraid of

[0:16] our own shadows and there is a silence

[0:19] in the face of all this. People prefer

[0:21] to remain silent thinking it will save

[0:24] their lives.

[0:27] Our office helps people break their

[0:29] silence. For example, our lawyer

[0:32] responds to the desperate cries of

[0:34] families of people who have been

[0:36] detained or have disappeared.

[0:39] >> The leaders of the Catholic Commission

[0:41] are convinced there can be no peace in

[0:43] the Wyaga until other crops replace

[0:46] cocoa.

[0:50] We could produce alternative crops. The

[0:53] Catholic Church has an organization, an

[0:55] itinerant missionary team that's working

[0:58] now with support from other countries to

[1:00] help farmers develop alternative

[1:02] products.

[1:13] of support for this work from the

[1:15] government, from international

[1:16] organizations and from other countries.

[1:18] We can't escape this crisis that

[1:20] suffocating in our country.

[1:25] >> There are only a few isolated programs

[1:28] in the Wyaga promoting alternate crops.

[1:31] Most of the Peruvian government's meager

[1:33] resources and almost all US counter

[1:36] narcotics aid have gone to the police

[1:38] and the military. Meanwhile, cocoa

[1:41] production continues to spread.

[1:48] We're precisely in the place that's the

[1:50] future of Koka. Because of the

[1:52] repression of the army as well as the

[1:54] gorillas, all the people in the upper

[1:57] Wyaga have come to plant koka here.

[2:00] And from here, the great valley of

[2:02] Chanuzi begins. an unexplored virgin

[2:05] valley where there are thousands of

[2:07] acres newly planted in Koka.

[2:12] >> As we left the Wyaga, the general strike

[2:15] was over and trucks traveled the highway

[2:17] again. We stopped above San Miguel de

[2:20] Rio, a village where 400 people, half

[2:24] the population, had been arrested during

[2:26] the strike. The army was looking for

[2:28] guerilla leaders. Most of the 400 were

[2:31] released and now children played

[2:34] peacefully on the riverbank.

[2:36] But there's a saying here that the river

[2:38] is hungry. It's a death threat used by

[2:41] traffickers and gorillas. And children

[2:44] like these often stop during their play

[2:47] to watch as the victims of the violence

[2:49] float by.

[2:59] Finally tonight, another answer to

[3:01] Rodney King's question, can we all get

[3:04] along? He raised it after a California

[3:06] jury acquitted four police officers

[3:09] charged with his beating. Since then,

[3:11] Charlene Hunter G has used King's Point

[3:14] as a text for an ongoing series of

[3:16] conversations. Tonight's takes a

[3:18] slightly different form. Pulitzer

[3:20] Prizewinning cartoonist Doug Marlet

[3:22] thinks the way to deal with relations

[3:24] between the races is with humor and he

[3:26] uses his own southern background to

[3:28] exploit the stereotypes and to turn them

[3:31] on their heads.

[3:33] >> Being a a white male southerner um you

[3:37] know I represent and grew up

[3:38] representing everything wrong with the

[3:40] 20th century. I mean

[3:42] >> enter Marlet's kudu guiltridden about

[3:45] being white and now politically

[3:47] incorrect. He sings even white boys get

[3:50] the blues.

[3:51] >> My people are the only people who it's

[3:54] okay to make fun of. And uh the the

[3:57] southern white, especially male,

[4:00] straight at this in this age, we're

[4:01] politically incorrect, you know. And so

[4:04] in my strip, I make fun of my people.

[4:07] That's what I know, the reason I I do

[4:08] that. And and I I like playing with this

[4:10] cultural stereotypes.

[4:12] >> Enter Marlet Moraurice. black, a skilled

[4:15] athlete, and Marlet says about as

[4:18] comfortable with himself as Kudzu is

[4:20] awkward.

[4:22] >> One of the things I kind of am proud of

[4:23] in the strip is that is that uh from the

[4:26] beginning I've had blacks and whites

[4:30] uh interacting, but it's very natural.

[4:32] It's not a big deal. It's it's part of

[4:34] the backdrop. It's not a self-conscious

[4:38] um

[4:40] um liberalism trying. It's just in the

[4:42] south that was that was our experience.

[4:45] >> Take the interaction between Maurice and

[4:47] Nasil T. Lard Bottom. Voted the whitest

[4:50] white boy at Bypass High School. He

[4:52] wants to be black like Maurice says

[4:55] Nasil. I don't understand Maurice. The

[4:58] brothers still don't accept me. I've got

[5:00] my Jive dialect down, my high fives, my

[5:03] jam box, my Air Jordans. What's missing?

[5:07] Says Maurice. 400 years of oppression,

[5:11] says Nasil. Can I take a weekend seminar

[5:14] or something? And what are you saying

[5:16] there with Nasil?

[5:18] >> Nasil was this little tight, obsessive,

[5:21] compulsive little white boy, you know,

[5:24] who who wish aspires, who wishes he was

[5:27] free, wishes he had was, and he projects

[5:30] onto blacks that all of those traits he

[5:33] projects onto Maurice that he is, he

[5:36] seems cool, he seems natural. And so I

[5:38] he wants to and he thinks if he can

[5:39] learn to speak jive if he can just all

[5:43] of the white it's making fun of and

[5:45] playing with the white assumptions about

[5:47] blacks.

[5:48] >> Nasel wants to be an athlete like

[5:50] Maurice says Nasel as an aspiring

[5:54] brother I better practice my vertical

[5:56] jump. I've got all my equipment my knee

[5:59] pads my crash helmet my air Jordans my

[6:02] altimeter. Watch this. Maurice says

[6:05] Nasil. I've been practicing my vertical

[6:07] leap, says Maurice. Go ahead, jump.

[6:12] I did, says Nasil.

[6:15] You know, if he can just develop a

[6:16] vertical leap and have hang time, you

[6:18] know, he he feels that and if he wears

[6:21] dashikis and and and grows a high top

[6:24] fade, I mean, he he thinks this is going

[6:26] to take care of I mean, he he got went

[6:28] so far as to have a race change

[6:29] operation in Sweden. Uh, now to me, this

[6:32] is

[6:32] >> But then he came out and he was still

[6:34] white.

[6:34] >> Well, that's right. And what was

[6:35] interesting is he came back with

[6:36] bandages from Sweden and he was he was

[6:39] slamming and jamming, running and

[6:40] gunning. He had great h hang time and he

[6:43] had all these attributes that he thinks

[6:45] was right. But it turned out that it had

[6:47] not taken the race turn and he was still

[6:49] white and when when in mid-flight he

[6:52] realized this and he and he destiny

[6:54] rendevous with gravity I think is the

[6:56] way put it in in the strip. But in in

[6:59] other words it's in our it's in our

[7:01] psyche. You know, these are all

[7:04] metaphors and symbols. You know, as an

[7:05] artist, you're dealing with these things

[7:07] and you're and but

[7:10] what race, you know, when you get down

[7:11] to it, what it's about is that there are

[7:14] people who are different from us and we

[7:17] project onto them

[7:19] aspects of ourselves that we worry about

[7:23] or that we love or that we but we can't

[7:25] tolerate within us. Then there's Uncle

[7:28] Dub, the quintessential Bubba, says

[7:32] Kudu. Uncle Dub, why do you suppose we

[7:35] were put here on this planet? Says Uncle

[7:37] Dub. Oh, shut up, Kudu, says Kudu. Dub

[7:41] is not given to philosophical

[7:43] speculation.

[7:46] >> Uncle Dub, you know, is the last of the

[7:49] of the good old boys. And uh he talks we

[7:53] talked about that as Bubba side is the

[7:55] we're getting rid of all the Bubbas and

[7:57] and uh and so he's holding out. He's

[7:59] like that uh the one uh uh remaining. Uh

[8:04] it's fun to play with that to that

[8:06] that's a part of I grew up with I had

[8:07] uncles who ran service stations and

[8:09] we're always hovering over car engines

[8:11] and and uh and have a kind of there's a

[8:13] kind of an integrity there. we usually

[8:15] get in in the popular culture uh the the

[8:19] police chiefs and the southern, you

[8:22] know, uh uh guy, you know, the sheriff

[8:26] who's fat and and chewing tobacco and

[8:29] and has an IQ of 10, you know, and he

[8:33] does is not influenced or impressed with

[8:35] the with the passing fads and and and

[8:39] there's a there's something uh

[8:41] impressive about him and that that runs

[8:44] against the the popular stereotype. You

[8:47] know, my people, the Bubbas are really

[8:50] products. And I think this is part of

[8:52] the the reason I have some sympathy is

[8:53] because they were brought here as

[8:55] indentured servants. You know, they are

[8:57] not the powerful. They are not the

[8:58] people who are they are not the enemy.

[9:00] >> You talking about poor white.

[9:01] >> The poor white, the indigenous. Yeah.

[9:04] But the bubbas, the the the rednecks,

[9:06] the crack crack American, Roy Blunt

[9:08] calls them, that they they are um and

[9:11] they are exploited and victimized in

[9:13] ways that uh that makes their experience

[9:18] akin to that of blacks in America. I

[9:22] grew up with people who held hideous

[9:24] notions, obscene,

[9:26] abstract notions about race, about

[9:30] politics, and yet they were very kind,

[9:32] decent with people of other colors and

[9:36] belief in the concrete,

[9:39] in the reality. I go to New York and I'm

[9:42] around people who have all the correct

[9:44] notions, all the perfect

[9:48] political beliefs, the liberal views,

[9:50] the humanitarian, and yet they're

[9:52] horrible and hideous and obscene in the

[9:55] way that they interact sometimes with

[9:57] people of different races or people of,

[10:00] you know,

[10:02] uh, minorities. Uh, and so, you know, I

[10:04] as a southern I kind of prefer I I don't

[10:06] care what somebody thinks that they

[10:08] think, you know, I'd rather I want to

[10:10] know how they interact concretely, you

[10:12] know, and that's one of the advantages

[10:13] or gifts that we have is that I think as

[10:15] Southerners is that that we we rub up

[10:17] against each other. We see each other

[10:19] and so, you know, it there's something

[10:22] that happens in that, you know, marinade

[10:26] that that is healing. I think

[10:29] >> you've been dealing with race in your

[10:31] comic strip. Why did you decide to deal

[10:33] with it in in that way with humor?

[10:36] >> Well, it's it's kind of natural. I mean,

[10:37] for for one thing, it's something that's

[10:38] on everybody's mind and uh that's what I

[10:42] do. And also, as a Southerner, you know,

[10:44] you you I I deal with race, but you

[10:47] can't be a Southerner and not deal with

[10:48] race and and religion and all this

[10:50] because it was such a part of our uh our

[10:53] history. uh and uh you know slavery and

[10:56] and and then the civil rights movement

[10:58] the the battlegrounds were of the civil

[11:01] rights movement were where where I grew

[11:02] up. You I grew up on this uh those

[11:06] things to me as a southerner these

[11:08] issues are more concrete than they are.

[11:10] They're not abstract. You know when I

[11:12] grew up people were uh

[11:15] were dying in the neighborhood. I mean

[11:18] the or in you know Mississippi and uh

[11:22] those places I lived there when I was a

[11:25] teenager and so it was not and and and

[11:27] it affected our lives. It was something

[11:29] people we talked about over dinner and

[11:31] you went to the demonstration or you had

[11:33] you know I had friends of friends in my

[11:36] family who were suspected of being of

[11:38] clan activity and there was you know at

[11:41] school uh these are white boys in the in

[11:44] Mississippi. Uh parents arrested for the

[11:47] murder of Sherner Goodman Cheney. Uh and

[11:51] so it was much more

[11:53] >> three civil rights workers who were

[11:54] killed in Mississippi,

[11:55] >> right? The civil rights workers. So who

[11:57] who died in Philadelphia. Um

[11:59] >> Philadelphia, Mississippi.

[12:00] >> Philadelphia, Mississippi. Uh so it was

[12:03] much more uh concrete. That's one of the

[12:05] things I think that's part of the

[12:06] southern uh experience is, you know,

[12:08] we're we're kind of the testing grounds

[12:10] for all of America's ideals in in the

[12:12] South. That's where we played it out.

[12:14] You know, that's where we fought the

[12:15] battles. That's where uh you know,

[12:17] America came into itself. the you know

[12:19] the the um the civil war was you know

[12:24] fought. U

[12:25] >> why humor though? Because for so many

[12:28] people this is a very volatile very

[12:31] frightening thing.

[12:33] >> Yeah. Well it's it's natural to me and

[12:35] and the um uh that seems to me to be

[12:39] appropriate. you know, uh, these are

[12:44] these are human things and all this

[12:46] that's that's human or is is funny is is

[12:49] amusing. It also kind of helps um

[12:52] diffuse things. I think that, you know,

[12:54] it humanizes us to be able to laugh at

[12:56] things, but it is it is these are these

[12:58] are um are areas that we all get kind of

[13:02] uptight about.

[13:03] >> But what you're doing is not just

[13:05] entertainment, not just fun. For me,

[13:08] it's always and it's always uh it has to

[13:11] mean something for me. My drawings have

[13:14] to mean something to me and to to Yeah,

[13:16] I think there's some wanting to uh shake

[13:19] things up. I like to be shaked up. I

[13:21] always learn from being shaked up, you

[13:24] know. I always uh I like learning and I

[13:26] like I like being disturbed by things. I

[13:29] So I like drawings that make my hair fly

[13:31] back, my you me choke on my coffee. I

[13:33] like drawings like that.

[13:36] So here again, I mean, do you think that

[13:38] humor is the key to narrowing the

[13:40] divide?

[13:41] >> It's like a spoonful of sugar makes the

[13:43] medicine go down. I mean, you can get

[13:45] truths in, but it needs to come in a way

[13:48] that people can accept. And and you

[13:51] know, I think a a sense of humor is a

[13:54] sign of of emotional maturity that when

[13:57] we're able not not to I'm not talking

[13:59] about the humor that where we're

[14:02] laughing at other people and deriding

[14:04] and putting people down, but I'm talking

[14:06] about laughing at ourselves. That's a

[14:09] sign. And when we can laugh at

[14:10] ourselves, you know, be amused by our

[14:14] posturing and our our pretense and our

[14:16] struting and boasting and and our our

[14:20] humanness when we can see it, accept it

[14:22] and have find it amusing, you know. I

[14:25] think that's and that's the role that's

[14:27] our role is to is to kind of encourage

[14:30] that.

[14:31] >> Well, Doug Marlet, thank you.

[14:33] >> Thanks.

[14:36] Again,

[14:42] the main stories of this Thursday.

[14:44] President Bush met with his top military

[14:46] advisers over Iraq's refusal to comply

[14:48] with Gulf War ceasefire terms. Syria

[14:52] ruled out any concessions to Israel for

[14:54] the curtailment of Jewish settlements in

[14:56] the occupied areas. The Bush

[14:58] administration predicted the

[14:59] unemployment rate would drop to 6.9% by

[15:02] the end of the year. It now stands at

[15:04] 7.8. And tonight, Colombian drug lord

[15:07] Pablo Escovar offered to surrender if

[15:10] the government would guarantee his

[15:11] safety. He made the offer in a call to a

[15:13] radio station a day after he escaped

[15:15] from a jail near Medí. Good night, Jim.

[15:19] >> Good night, Robin. We'll see you

[15:20] tomorrow night with Gergen and Shields

[15:22] among other persons and things. I'm Jim

[15:24] Lara. Thank you and good night.

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