Nightline (ABC) - 1999-07-23

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[0:02] This is a Night Line Friday night

[0:04] special.

[0:06] >> She lost her husband. For the first few

[0:09] months, I was devastated. I was like a

[0:12] zombie. He lost his daughter.

[0:15] >> There's very few things that are as

[0:17] painful as watching your child leave you

[0:19] before before their time. It it's it's

[0:22] an unnatural order of things.

[0:24] >> And she lost a husband, but now they're

[0:28] all coping. I know this is the most

[0:31] wonderful tribute that I could be giving

[0:32] to Walter because it's good in and of

[0:34] itself.

[0:35] >> I am going to try to do something good

[0:37] out of what has happened and then move

[0:39] forward using that kind of an attitude.

[0:42] >> There are many things that he left

[0:43] unfinished. So I said I will finish it

[0:47] for him.

[0:49] >> Tonight as the nation says goodbye to

[0:52] John F. Kennedy Jr. The survivors and

[0:55] the struggle to continue

[1:02] from ABC News.

[1:07] This is Night Line, substituting for Ted

[1:10] Cppel and reporting from Washington,

[1:13] Koki Roberts.

[1:15] >> What a tough week this has been.

[1:17] Starting with the shocking news Saturday

[1:19] morning that John Kennedy Jr.'s plane

[1:21] was missing. Ending with the mass for

[1:24] John and Carolyn Kennedy in New York

[1:26] today, the service for Lauren Beset in

[1:28] Connecticut tomorrow. Some have railed

[1:31] at the media for our intrusiveness, our

[1:33] overkill. Others have relished the

[1:36] opportunity to relive the memories of

[1:38] John John, the baby, the toddler, the

[1:40] school boy, as seen over and over in

[1:43] what's become the National Family

[1:45] Picture Album. People have been shaking

[1:47] their heads in sadness and surprised,

[1:49] amazed that they feel as shaken and

[1:51] depressed as they do. But for most of

[1:54] us, the shock of the week will soon be

[1:56] over and we'll be back about our

[1:58] business. For the families and close

[2:00] friends of the young people whose

[2:02] remains were committed to the Atlantic

[2:04] Ocean yesterday, the hard part is just

[2:07] beginning. The arrangements have been

[2:09] made, the ceremonies held, the housefuls

[2:11] of well-wishers will soon depart. And

[2:14] then what? Countless words of admiration

[2:17] for the Kennedy family's resilience have

[2:19] been spoken over the last week, along

[2:21] with judgments that their faith helped

[2:23] sustain them. But they've lost enough

[2:26] family members to know the process of

[2:28] picking up the pieces is a slow and

[2:30] painful one. Ted Kennedy has had to say

[2:33] the words of farewell to too many family

[2:35] members. And as he ended his eulogy

[2:38] today, it was with the clear

[2:40] understanding that this nephew would

[2:42] always be missed, that the family's life

[2:45] would from now on be led with a gaping

[2:47] hole in it. After quoting from an Irish

[2:50] poem given to John Kennedy at his birth,

[2:53] which included the wish that in the

[2:55] night that he is troubled, may a friend

[2:58] wake for him so that his time be

[3:00] doubled. Senator Kennedy closed with

[3:03] these words. He was lost on that

[3:05] troubled night, but we will always wait

[3:08] for him, so that his time, which was not

[3:11] doubled, but cut in half, will live

[3:13] forever in our memory and in our

[3:15] beguiled and broken hearts. We dared to

[3:19] think that this John Kennedy would live

[3:21] to comb gray hair with his beloved

[3:24] Carolyn by his side. But like his

[3:27] father, he had every gift but length of

[3:29] years. We who have loved him from the

[3:32] day he was born and watched the

[3:34] remarkable man he became now bid him

[3:37] farewell. God bless you, John and

[3:39] Carolyn. We love you and we always will.

[3:44] And they always will as thousands of us

[3:47] every day go on loving those who are no

[3:49] longer with us, who have left behind a

[3:52] family to somehow cope without them.

[3:54] Tonight, we'll talk with three people

[3:56] who faced that challenge and are willing

[3:58] to share their stories with us. Lois

[4:01] Cap's husband, Walter, dropped dead of a

[4:03] heart attack in 1996. He was 63 years

[4:06] old and 10 months into a new career as a

[4:09] member of Congress. Two weeks later,

[4:11] Lois Caps decided to run for his seat.

[4:14] Congresswoman Caps joins us now from

[4:16] Santa Barbara. Mark Klass's 12-year-old

[4:19] daughter, Polly, was abducted from the

[4:21] family home and brutally murdered in

[4:23] 1993. In the wake of that tragedy, Mark

[4:27] Class, who joins us from San Francisco,

[4:29] created the Class Kids Foundation, an

[4:32] organization which fights for the rights

[4:34] of children through education and

[4:36] legislative reform. Lloyd Lewis's

[4:39] husband, Reginald, learned in 1993 that

[4:42] he had a brain tumor and he died six

[4:45] weeks later. as the head of Beatatric

[4:47] Foods. He was one of the nation's

[4:49] wealthiest and most influential

[4:51] African-Americans

[4:52] today. Lloyd Lewis, who joins us from

[4:55] New York, is chairman and CEO of

[4:57] Beatatric Foods. Thank you all very much

[5:00] for being with us tonight. I I know that

[5:03] this is a tough subject to discuss and

[5:05] appreciate you being willing to do it

[5:07] with us. I think that for all Americans,

[5:10] but particularly for Americans who have

[5:12] suffered tragic and sudden losses as

[5:15] each of you have, um that this week was

[5:18] very, very difficult indeed. Uh could

[5:21] you tell me, Congresswoman Caps, what

[5:23] your reaction was when you heard the

[5:24] news? Oh, Koki, I clutched my heart. I

[5:30] clutched my heart at the awful terror

[5:33] and loneliness and and pain that these

[5:37] families, the Kennedy family, the bet

[5:39] family were now experiencing. And as you

[5:42] said, we'll go on experiencing for a

[5:44] long time in the private parts of our

[5:47] soul in a place that's difficult to talk

[5:50] about the the grieving and the loss. And

[5:53] to some extent I even felt that when I

[5:55] was asked to be uh here with you this

[5:58] evening because there's something about

[5:59] this experience that is so uniquely

[6:01] private and yet the the Kennedys and the

[6:05] betettes and each of us are public in

[6:08] our lives as well. So we do have

[6:11] something to say about this with each

[6:14] other. and Miss Lewis.

[6:16] >> Oh, I cried. Cookie, you know that

[6:20] family, I love them. Jack and Jackie

[6:23] were the heroes of my youth. And you

[6:26] know, as with everyone in the world, I

[6:29] watched John grow up. John Jr.

[6:33] And when I heard the news that he was

[6:35] missing, my first impression, my first

[6:38] instinct was, "Oh Lord, please a

[6:41] miracle. Let them find them." And as the

[6:45] as we learned later on that you know

[6:48] they that they were gone.

[6:51] >> Mr. Class, it would seem to me that you

[6:54] might think, well, at least his parents

[6:56] weren't alive to see this.

[6:58] >> That That's absolutely correct, Ki. Um

[7:01] there's very few things that are as

[7:04] painful as watching your child leave you

[7:06] before before their time. It it's it's

[7:08] an unnatural order of things. But I

[7:11] think like the rest of America, I I was

[7:13] bewildered and saddened by what happened

[7:16] to this wonderful family. Um, we've

[7:19] taken great pride in in Mr. Kennedy and

[7:21] and what he is becoming, what he had

[7:23] become as a person and the promise that

[7:25] he held.

[7:26] >> Well, I want to come back and talk to

[7:28] each of you about your own personal

[7:30] stories in just a moment, but we need to

[7:32] take a little break and then we'll be

[7:33] back.

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[10:12] And we're back with Mark Kles, Lloyd

[10:15] Lewis, and Lois Caps. U Mr. Kles, a lot

[10:18] of Americans know your story. uh the the

[10:21] horrible thing that happened to your

[10:23] daughter Pali. But I'd like to ask you

[10:25] when when you found out the the anger

[10:30] must have been just so beyond belief,

[10:32] but also you must have had some awful

[10:34] feelings of guilt. After all, you're her

[10:36] father. You're supposed to protect her.

[10:38] >> Well, you know, Koki, like every other

[10:40] father in America, I told my daughter

[10:41] that I would be there to protect her

[10:43] regardless of what might happen. And

[10:45] obviously, I was not able to keep that

[10:47] promise. I think that the overwhelming

[10:49] feelings that I had in the immediate

[10:51] aftermath of finding out what happened

[10:52] to Paulie, however, were betrayal and

[10:55] anger. And it's then a matter of of

[10:58] taking those emotions, particularly the

[11:00] anger, and finding something productive

[11:02] to do with it so that I could create a

[11:04] legacy in her name and give meaning to

[11:06] her death. Well, you talked, you said

[11:08] the word legacy, and it's interesting to

[11:11] think about a legacy of a child uh who

[11:14] had not uh had the opportunity to really

[11:17] create uh a life of her own where there

[11:21] was something that she was able to leave

[11:23] behind as a a monument of some kind. Uh

[11:27] that was not the case with with our two

[11:30] uh widows here. Uh Congresswoman Caps, I

[11:33] think you were very much looking at a

[11:34] legacy, weren't you? very much and I

[11:39] needed to make a decision I guess just

[11:41] as in the way that your your mother did

[11:43] and I think of her often Kokei when I go

[11:46] into the Lindy Bogs room in our in our

[11:48] nation's capital

[11:49] >> but we should just quickly say my mother

[11:51] ran for Congress and was elected after

[11:53] my father was lost in the plane crash

[11:55] >> and that has been a traditional way for

[11:57] people for women to be in Congress

[11:59] that's another topic but this one this

[12:01] keen pain that I tried to describe

[12:03] earlier that's very private where we

[12:06] draw on the resources of our religious

[12:08] faith in a very personal and intimate

[12:10] way and then to find that transposed

[12:12] into a legacy that we also care care

[12:15] passionately about keeping alive and

[12:16] Walter was known for his civility and

[12:18] being a citizen representative that's a

[12:21] very powerful uh force and then I

[12:24] discover also my own experience has come

[12:26] to the four as a nurse and my own health

[12:29] >> I want I want to come back to that but I

[12:30] want to you know let as I said earlier

[12:33] it was only two weeks now First of all,

[12:35] you've had the incredible shock. You're

[12:37] standing there, what? Curbside at

[12:38] Dallasos airport. Is that what happened?

[12:40] What? Waiting for a cab or something?

[12:42] >> Yes. To go to the to the capital for him

[12:44] to vote

[12:45] >> and and he just collapsed.

[12:47] >> Yes, he did.

[12:47] >> And you're a nurse and you

[12:49] >> I gave CPR like I was trained to do.

[12:52] >> And you realize that he was gone,

[12:54] >> right?

[12:55] >> And then you have all of the immediate

[12:57] business. You've got to deal with him

[12:59] and then with the funeral and then with

[13:01] that and then in the middle of all that

[13:02] you had to decide to run for Congress.

[13:04] >> Yes. And how did you do that? I did that

[13:09] uh with a great deal of grace from the

[13:13] God that I worship which was translated

[13:15] for me through the lives of my family

[13:18] and my friends and then the supporters

[13:20] who rallied to me. that became the

[13:22] public um uh the public showing of my

[13:27] own personal experience that was shared

[13:29] by many people in the central coast of

[13:31] California. And and Miss Lewis, your

[13:34] situation, your husband didn't die

[13:37] instantly, but it was almost the

[13:39] equivalent of a sudden death. He was

[13:40] diagnosed and then six weeks later he

[13:43] was gone. It was not something you could

[13:44] get accustomed to, certainly. Um, and I

[13:48] read that that he said to you in the

[13:50] hospital, "Well, maybe I did too much.

[13:52] Maybe I lived too fast." And you said,

[13:55] "Don't be ridiculous." Are there times

[13:57] when you now think, "Well, maybe he did

[13:58] live too fast. Maybe if he had slowed

[14:00] down, he he would be with me now."

[14:03] >> No, he would not be happy. He was very

[14:05] intense, very ambitious, and there was

[14:08] something that he wanted to prove to

[14:09] himself and I guess to the rest of the

[14:12] world. But basically to show that a

[14:15] person of color can go to the very top

[14:17] of financial and economic power in the

[14:20] United States and he did. So he could

[14:24] not have lived any other way.

[14:26] >> Now your children were younger than Ms.

[14:28] Cap's children who were grown. Uh and

[14:31] what what was your reaction? you there

[14:33] you were you were now having to be

[14:34] mother and father and there was this

[14:37] enormous business to deal with. Uh how

[14:39] did you sort that out?

[14:41] >> Well and honestly uh you know for the

[14:43] first few months I was devastated. I was

[14:46] like a zombie. I you know I was uh

[14:50] incapable of really just going through

[14:53] what what everyone has gone through. But

[14:57] after a while, because I believe in a

[14:59] loving God, I just held on to my faith.

[15:02] I know he will not desert me. And so I

[15:05] had to stop and sort of all right, what

[15:08] do we have here? I have two daughters.

[15:11] One was in college, another one was in

[15:13] middle school. And I am now, yes,

[15:16] they're mother and father. So they're

[15:19] first priority.

[15:21] And then after a while, you know, I

[15:24] said, "This business has been his life.

[15:27] If I ask somebody else to run it for me,

[15:31] and it fails, then I'll have to blame

[15:34] him. So, I might as well take

[15:36] responsibility for ourselves, my family,

[15:39] and run it myself. So that if it fails,

[15:42] then it's my own fault. Well, if it

[15:44] succeed, then it's because I have lots

[15:47] of good people around me.

[15:48] >> Mark class, you talked earlier about

[15:51] turning the anger into something. I want

[15:52] to come back in the next segment and

[15:53] talk about what each of you has done to

[15:55] to deal with that. But were you did you

[15:58] find uh in the few seconds we have left

[16:01] in this segment that the that that

[16:03] question of faith did work for you or

[16:05] was was that not there for you?

[16:07] >> Well, my faith was shattered quite

[16:08] frankly, Koke. I had always believed in

[16:10] a good and just God would lead to a good

[16:12] and just existence. And that certainly

[16:14] was betrayed, I think, in in all of our

[16:16] situations. And it's taken me a long

[16:18] time to get back to that. But I think

[16:20] what you have to do is you have to you

[16:22] have to recover yourself so that the

[16:25] forces the negative forces don't win.

[16:27] You have to be able to pick yourself up

[16:29] and move forward in your life and regain

[16:31] some kind of positive attitude towards

[16:33] life so that either the bad guy or the

[16:36] bad disease uh doesn't overpower you and

[16:39] take you as well as as the uh primary

[16:41] victim.

[16:42] >> Well, each of you has picked yourselves

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[19:36] >> We're joined rejoined by Mark Class,

[19:39] Lloyd Lewis, and Lois Caps. Uh Mr.

[19:42] class. You you were ending the last

[19:44] segment talking about picking up and

[19:46] going on, but you've been quoted as

[19:48] saying um I couldn't after what happened

[19:51] to Polly go back to a 9 to5 job and just

[19:54] pretend like none of this had ever

[19:56] happened. Uh you just felt like life had

[19:59] changed too much for you.

[20:01] >> Well, several things happened obviously.

[20:03] First of all, just like in all of these

[20:05] cases from Mr. Kennedy, certainly to my

[20:07] daughter and and the two other

[20:08] gentlemen, the uh the the the the

[20:12] inherent promise that existed in all

[20:14] these people was cut short just like

[20:15] that. And and it gives us a sense of the

[20:18] fragility of life and our own not our

[20:21] own destiny, but certainly our own

[20:22] mortality and what are we going to do

[20:24] with our lives? And I I couldn't go back

[20:26] to doing something like I was doing

[20:28] before. I was too filled with anger. And

[20:30] my choice then, Koki, was taking that

[20:32] anger and developing something positive

[20:34] out of it and trying to somehow serve

[20:37] humanity in some way so that what had

[20:39] happened to my child wouldn't happen to

[20:41] another child in the future. And I've

[20:42] been able to find great soloulless and

[20:44] great comfort in in doing that. And

[20:46] again, it's about creating that legacy

[20:48] that unfortunately she was never able to

[20:51] create for herself.

[20:52] >> And and as a result of your efforts,

[20:54] things like Three Strikes and Your

[20:55] Outlaws have been passed in various

[20:57] places. And I read recently that uh a

[21:00] child was found and returned to her

[21:03] mother because of your website.

[21:05] >> Well, actually that wasn't my website,

[21:06] but you know, Paulie was the first child

[21:09] that went up on a website, the first

[21:10] missing child that went up on a website.

[21:12] Now there are thousands of sites that

[21:14] offer that kind of service. We're

[21:15] starting to see missing children come up

[21:17] on email. We're starting to see them

[21:19] more often on TV. There is much a great

[21:22] heightened awareness about the issues

[21:24] concerning children in this country. And

[21:26] I think a lot of that started with

[21:28] Pauliey's tragedy and maybe some of the

[21:30] work that I and others have been able to

[21:31] do as a result of that and to try to

[21:34] build upon what happened to her and

[21:36] ensure that it doesn't happen to others.

[21:38] >> Congresswoman Caps, it seems to me that

[21:40] you were saying you too uh when you did

[21:42] this when you ran, you did it basically

[21:45] to fulfill Walter's job to do what he

[21:48] was doing. Uh but but now you've been

[21:52] doing it a little while and it becomes

[21:54] your job. Yes. And I pick up on what

[21:57] Mark said earlier, a poignant remark. We

[22:00] It's about recovering a sense of self.

[22:04] And that actually uh and I can say this

[22:08] at the end of this this week when we've

[22:10] been riveted on this terrible

[22:11] occurrence. Losing oneself in something

[22:14] you care about that's important is also

[22:17] a way of coping with loss and keeps me

[22:19] in touch with Walter. And Miss Lewis,

[22:22] you did something that you had never

[22:23] done before in your life. Uh waited into

[22:27] this mega business. Now you have

[22:29] dissolved or about to dissolve the

[22:32] business and and uh how how have you

[22:35] seen that? Now you've you've taken on

[22:38] this enormous challenge and now you're

[22:40] moving on to a new one.

[22:42] >> Well, when Mr. Lewis died, there were

[22:44] many things that he left unfinished. He

[22:46] was writing a book. It wasn't finished.

[22:48] There was a vacation house he wanted to

[22:50] buy. He couldn't buy it. And then there

[22:52] was this business that he bought on an

[22:54] LBO, leverage buyout. And so I'm just

[22:59] closing the chapter on his company.

[23:01] >> But you're not closing the chapter on

[23:02] him. You have the National Federation of

[23:05] Teaching Entrepreneurship, trying to

[23:07] have other uh minorities come into big

[23:11] business. Is that correct?

[23:12] >> Yes. Yes. The NAACP had agreed to name

[23:15] the entrepreneurial institute after

[23:18] Regginald def Lewis in which we will use

[23:21] the curriculum developed by the National

[23:24] Foundation for Teaching Entrepreneurship

[23:26] in introducing to inner city boys and

[23:29] girls high school primarily how to run

[23:31] their own business and how to create

[23:33] wealth.

[23:34] >> This this each of you in your own way

[23:36] has found a very explicit way of keeping

[23:39] your lost one alive. But um but each of

[23:43] us does it in some way and I I will

[23:46] admit to a personal prejudice here which

[23:48] is that I despise the word closure. Uh

[23:51] Mr. Class, is there ever closure for a

[23:54] child you love?

[23:55] >> No, there's never closure. That that

[23:56] whole thing is a myth and that's a kind

[23:58] of uh that's the kind of terminology

[24:01] that is presented by people that don't

[24:02] understand what one is going through.

[24:04] It's it's like saying get over it or

[24:06] move on with your lives. I mean, there's

[24:08] really no way to do that except to do it

[24:11] the way that all of us have attempted to

[24:13] do it, I think, and that's to try to

[24:14] make something positive out of something

[24:16] very terrible, horrible, and negative.

[24:18] Koki, there are three ways that one can

[24:20] respond to these kinds of situations.

[24:22] And a wiser person than I termed them

[24:25] flight, fright or fight. Now, when one

[24:29] fears the reality of death, one goes

[24:32] into a spiraling depression and or drug

[24:34] and alcohol abuse. And that's totally

[24:37] negative. It's very very difficult to

[24:38] get out of the the flight is is when one

[24:42] runs away from the reality of a

[24:44] situation and you can't run from reality

[24:46] forever. Then the fight back is really

[24:48] looking at it right in the eye and

[24:50] trying to do something positive with it

[24:52] and say that I am not going to be

[24:53] overtaken by the forces of negativity. I

[24:56] am going to try to do something good out

[24:58] of what has happened and then move move

[25:00] forward using that kind of an attitude.

[25:03] Miss Lewis, I I want to ask you just

[25:05] quickly because we're about out of time,

[25:06] but that question about closure.

[25:10] >> There is no closure. If you love a

[25:12] person, he lives forever. But when a

[25:15] tragedy like this hits you, I think

[25:18] you'll have to go back to your deepest

[25:20] innermost self and cling and take out

[25:24] your hand and cling to and supreme being

[25:28] to the Lord because he is there to help

[25:31] you. And if you keep the faith and uh

[25:34] you know just get your wits about you,

[25:37] you can get out. You can not close the

[25:40] pain but relieve the pain and move on.

[25:43] >> And Congresswoman Cabs, a final word.

[25:46] >> Well, I'm thinking of my grandson, named

[25:49] for his grandfather, Walter. I'm

[25:50] thinking of the people I've worked with

[25:52] on a daily basis to make our country a

[25:54] better place to live with better health

[25:56] care opportunities for all. And I I know

[25:59] this is the most wonderful tribute that

[26:01] I could be giving to Walter because it's

[26:03] good in and of itself. And at the close

[26:05] of a day, in those private moments, I

[26:07] still have and yes, this is a lifelong

[26:09] process. I can hear and Walter says,

[26:12] "Thank you.

[26:13] >> Thank you." And I say thank you to each

[26:16] of you, to Lois Caps, to Mark Class, to

[26:19] Lloyd Lewis. Thank you all very much for

[26:21] being with us and sharing your stories

[26:23] tonight. I'll be back with a program

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