PBS NewsHour - 2008-10-06
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[2:12] The financial crisis set off another
[2:14] rough day for stock markets around the
[2:16] world. Major indexes in Asia and Europe
[2:20] fell at least 5% and that drop then
[2:23] spread to Wall Street. The Dow Jones
[2:25] Industrial Average was down 800 points
[2:27] before a late day rally. It ended with a
[2:30] loss of nearly 370 points to close under
[2:34] 10,000 for the first time in four years.
[2:37] The Nasdaq fell 84 points to close under
[2:40] 1863.
[2:42] The market turmoil was fed partly by a
[2:44] collapse in confidence across Europe.
[2:47] Over the weekend, key governments could
[2:49] not come up with a joint approach.
[2:51] Today, the leaders of France and Germany
[2:53] promised action. So did Britain's top
[2:56] treasury official, the chancellor of the
[2:58] ex-checker. We have a report on the day
[3:00] in London's financial district, the
[3:02] city, and beyond from Daisy McAndrew of
[3:06] Independent Television News. Confusion
[3:08] and uncertainty are the city's worst
[3:11] enemies, and today they had them in
[3:13] spades. No surprise, the markets tumbled
[3:16] to their biggest one-day fall since the
[3:18] crash of 87 amid fears politicians can't
[3:22] contain the credit crisis.
[3:25] After the American bailout scheme was
[3:26] okayed on Friday, focus moved to
[3:28] European leaders to set a united front.
[3:31] So far, they've failed dismally. Many
[3:34] countries already going it alone,
[3:36] announcing their own 100% savers
[3:38] guarantees. And as confusion reigned as
[3:41] to whether or not Germany was going the
[3:43] same way, the prime minister chaired the
[3:45] first meeting of his special economic
[3:47] war cabinet.
[3:49] >> All practical options must remain open
[3:51] to us. and I've made it very clear that
[3:54] the government is ready with the
[3:55] resources and the commitment to do
[3:57] whatever is necessary and I will keep
[3:59] the house informed.
[4:00] >> He couldn't resist a jive at the Germans
[4:03] though who this evening did fall into
[4:04] line saying they weren't doing their own
[4:07] thing.
[4:07] >> And because we're dealing with
[4:08] international institutions and
[4:10] international markets, it will require
[4:12] action not only at a national level
[4:14] here, but also concerted international
[4:16] action. But neither our problems nor
[4:19] Germany's remotely compared to Iceland's
[4:21] tonight, where shares were suspended in
[4:23] all financial institutions while they
[4:26] work out how to rescue their banking
[4:28] system. If the rest of us are to be
[4:30] spared Iceland's pain, in reality, only
[4:33] America can provide the cure. House
[4:36] prices keep going down in the US. A lot
[4:38] of these banks are filled with toxic
[4:40] assets, and those assets move in value
[4:43] as house prices fall. So until we can
[4:45] arrest the real problem, which is US
[4:47] house prices falling, we're not
[4:49] necessarily going to get out of this
[4:50] mess.
[4:51] >> Tomorrow, EU finance ministers meet for
[4:53] crisis talks to restore confidence and
[4:55] stability. But after today's bloodbath,
[4:58] no one's holding their breath.
[5:00] >> In the US, the Federal Reserve talked
[5:02] about possible joint action with central
[5:05] banks in Europe to cut interest rates.
[5:07] And the price of oil dropped another $6
[5:10] today. It finished below $88 a barrel
[5:13] amid growing concerns about global
[5:16] recession. The Bush administration moved
[5:18] today to get its US financial rescue
[5:20] effort up and running. Assistant
[5:22] Treasury Secretary Neil Kashkari was
[5:25] named interim head of the rescue. The
[5:28] former Goldman Sachs banker helped draft
[5:30] the $700 billion plan. But President
[5:33] Bush cautioned today it will take time
[5:36] to put everything in place. We don't
[5:38] want to rush into this situation and not
[5:41] have uh the program be effective.
[5:45] Uh it's going to take a while to restore
[5:48] confidence in the financial system.
[5:51] But one thing people can be certain of
[5:53] is that the bill I signed is a big step
[5:56] toward
[5:58] solving this problem. Also today, the
[6:01] Federal Reserve announced it's providing
[6:03] another $900 billion to banks to get
[6:06] them lending money again. It promised
[6:09] additional measures as necessary. Bank
[6:12] of America agreed to pay more than $8
[6:14] billion today to help thousands of
[6:16] people stay in their homes. The action
[6:19] settles claims of predatory mortgage
[6:21] lending by Countrywide Financial, which
[6:24] Bank of America bought last summer.
[6:26] Elsewhere, Croup sued for $60 billion in
[6:29] damages from Wells Fargo's planned
[6:32] takeover of Wacovia. The suit alleges
[6:35] the deal disrupted Croup's own agreement
[6:37] to buy part of Wacovia. And the Federal
[6:40] Reserve agreed to let Japan's largest
[6:42] bank buy up to 25% of Morgan Stanley.
[6:47] Congress today began probing the failure
[6:49] of Lehman Brothers, the huge investment
[6:51] bank, collapsed last month. But today,
[6:53] the chairman of the House Oversight
[6:55] Committee, Democrat Henry Waxman, said
[6:58] there was no accountability for failure
[7:00] at Lehman. He singled out company CEO
[7:03] Richard Fold. What's fundamentally
[7:06] unfair about the collapse of Layman is
[7:09] its impact on the economy and taxpayers.
[7:12] Mr. Fold will do fine. He can walk away
[7:15] from layman, a wealthy man who earned
[7:17] over $500 million, but taxpayers are
[7:20] left with a 700 billion
[7:23] uh dollar bill to rescue Wall Street and
[7:27] an economy in crisis. Later, Fol said
[7:30] his management team did everything
[7:32] possible to save the company, but he
[7:34] said in the end, Lehman was overwhelmed.
[7:38] I take full responsibility
[7:42] for the decisions that I made
[7:46] and for the actions that I took. None of
[7:50] us ever
[7:53] gets the opportunity to turn back the
[7:55] clock. But with the benefit of
[7:57] hindsight, would I have done things
[8:00] differently?
[8:01] Yes, I would have. Ful insisted federal
[8:05] regulators knew the condition of his
[8:07] company long before it collapsed. He
[8:10] said he still does not understand why
[8:12] the government bailed out other
[8:13] companies but not Lehman Brothers. In
[8:16] the US presidential race today, Democrat
[8:18] Barack Obama charged Republican John
[8:21] McCain is attacking his character,
[8:23] hoping to shift attention away from the
[8:26] economy. But McCain's running mate,
[8:28] Sarah Palin, again questioned Obama's
[8:30] ties to a 1960s radical and to a Chicago
[8:34] minister who made racially charged
[8:36] statements. We'll have more on the
[8:38] campaign later in the program tonight.
[8:40] The US Supreme Court opened its new term
[8:43] today. First up was a case on limiting
[8:45] lawsuits against tobacco companies.
[8:47] States want to use laws against
[8:49] deceptive marketing over cigarettes
[8:52] labeled as low tar or light. We'll have
[8:54] more on this story later in the program
[8:56] tonight. A suicide bomber in eastern
[8:59] Pakistan killed at least 15 people
[9:01] today. It happened at the home of a
[9:04] leading opposition lawmaker. In addition
[9:06] to the dead, at least 50 more people
[9:09] were wounded. And the top UN official in
[9:12] Afghanistan called for talks between the
[9:14] government and the Taliban. He said, "We
[9:17] all know that we cannot win it
[9:18] militarily. It has to be won through
[9:21] political means." The 2008 Nobel Prize
[9:24] for Medicine went to three Europeans
[9:27] today for breakthroughs on AIDS and
[9:30] cervical cancer. Two French scientists
[9:32] won for discovering HIV, the virus that
[9:36] causes AIDS in 1983.
[9:39] It led to blood screening and drugs to
[9:41] control the spread of the disease. A
[9:44] German researcher was honored for
[9:46] finding the viruses that cause cervical
[9:48] cancer. That work led to a vaccine two
[9:51] years ago. And that's it for the news
[9:54] summary tonight. Now, markets drop
[9:55] again, campaigns on the attack, a
[9:59] college for social change, and the new
[10:01] Supreme Court session.
[10:11] The end of another volatile day on Wall
[10:13] Street and on other markets around the
[10:16] world. Jeffrey Brown has our story. It
[10:19] was a day when the global nature of the
[10:21] financial crisis hit home. Deep drops in
[10:23] foreign markets followed by more on Wall
[10:25] Street where the Dow has now lost more
[10:28] than 10% of its value in the past week.
[10:30] The S&P 500 more than 15%. We look at
[10:34] what's happening now with Shaherzad
[10:36] Raman, director of the European Union
[10:38] Research Center and professor of
[10:40] international finance and international
[10:41] affairs at George Washington University.
[10:44] James Angel, an associate professor of
[10:46] finance at the Mcdana School of Business
[10:48] at Georgetown University, and Ed
[10:50] Yardeni, president of Yardi Research, an
[10:53] independent investment research firm.
[10:56] Well, Ed Yardi, it was just Friday that
[10:58] the financial rescue plan was passed.
[11:00] What accounts for today's drop on Wall
[11:03] Street?
[11:04] >> I think in some ways it uh it's a bit of
[11:07] a disappointment with with the plan, a
[11:10] confusion about how it's going to work.
[11:11] It's an impatience. Uh but you know I I
[11:14] think at the end of the day of just
[11:16] panic selling uh by um institutional
[11:19] investors particularly hedge funds uh
[11:22] that have uh been facing redemptions uh
[11:25] requests from their investors. Uh some
[11:27] of them may just want to get out of the
[11:29] business because you know once you fall
[11:30] below the so-called high water mark uh
[11:34] of your fund uh if you don't get back to
[11:36] it you don't earn those kind of uh big
[11:39] fees. So that may be part of it and I
[11:41] think the public is genu genuinely
[11:43] scared.
[11:44] >> Oh, so you see I was going to ask you
[11:46] about small investors and depositors.
[11:48] You see it starting to hit them as well.
[11:50] I should say us as well.
[11:52] >> Yes. In a perverse way. Um the way the
[11:56] rescue package was sold was uh with a
[12:00] great deal of of fear. uh it was sold
[12:03] with the idea that if we don't pass the
[12:06] troubled assets uh relief program then
[12:10] it could lead to economic catastrophe
[12:11] and I think a lot of people weren't
[12:13] aware that we were that close to
[12:14] catastrophe.
[12:16] >> Professor Angel, you were just shaking
[12:17] your head, nodding your head as as he
[12:19] was talking. What do you see happening
[12:20] here today?
[12:21] >> Well, we live in a global market. We
[12:24] live in a global economy and today we
[12:26] saw not only impatience with the rescue
[12:30] package but we also saw a reaction to
[12:33] what's going on in Europe. Um as was
[12:35] pointed out in the introduction we
[12:37] there's a lot of uh economic problems
[12:39] over there as well and when the European
[12:42] markets go down the US markets often go
[12:44] down in sympathy.
[12:46] >> We we're using the term volatility is
[12:49] and and Ed Yardi used the word panic. I
[12:51] think panic is there an order to what we
[12:54] saw today? At one point the Dow dropped
[12:57] 800 points and then it came back to
[12:59] close around 370 or so. But how do you
[13:01] describe it?
[13:02] >> Well, this is a classic financial panic
[13:04] and I actually am teaching a course in
[13:05] financial panics at Georgetown
[13:07] University and uh this is like the kind
[13:10] we are reading about in the history
[13:11] books in which you have some economic
[13:14] bad news and people don't really know
[13:16] what's going on, who's solving, who
[13:18] isn't. So what we see happening is
[13:22] people running for the fire exits at the
[13:24] first hint of trouble. But on the other
[13:27] hand, people know that when the
[13:29] turnaround comes, it often comes very
[13:31] quickly. As a matter of fact, the best
[13:33] year in US stock market history was 1933
[13:36] during the depths of the Great
[13:38] Depression. In that year, the US stock
[13:40] market went up 67%.
[13:43] So as a um so you often have very high
[13:47] volatility at times like this where some
[13:49] people think okay the worst is over time
[13:51] to get in oops too early time to get out
[13:53] again
[13:54] >> so that's what we see
[13:56] >> now sharan bring Europe into this for us
[13:59] because as we said the day that's where
[14:00] things started today
[14:02] >> that's right
[14:02] >> um what's the problem there is it is it
[14:04] is it our problem spreading or is it
[14:06] something special there
[14:07] >> oh clearly it's our problem spreading I
[14:09] think the Europeans took leave of their
[14:10] senses when they thought that this was
[14:12] the US problem and they would hardly be
[14:14] touched by it. Uh they're screaming now
[14:16] that the sky is falling and in some
[14:17] respects it is. Uh Europe's economy is
[14:20] more heavily bank dependent and when as
[14:23] this is hitting they realize that
[14:24] getting out of this mess will be much
[14:26] harder for them than it is for us for
[14:28] example they cannot do a EU style
[14:31] federal bailout. uh it's not possible
[14:33] the kind we did absolutely right it's
[14:34] not possible the 27 countries uh and
[14:38] that banking is relatively still dereg
[14:41] not regulated as well in terms of
[14:43] standards across the board and so you've
[14:45] got a beggar thy neighbor policy going
[14:46] on in Europe right now each country for
[14:48] itself in terms of bailing themselves
[14:50] out
[14:51] >> you saw a lot of we saw a lot of
[14:53] activity over the weekend right leaders
[14:55] gathering various bailouts but you're
[14:57] saying none of that was very well
[14:59] >> president wanted this bailout very badly
[15:01] he holds a European presidency, but the
[15:03] UK and Great Britain were not the UK and
[15:05] Germany were not willing to play ball
[15:07] this time because they are worried about
[15:08] their own financial markets. When
[15:10] Germany safeguards all the savers in
[15:12] Germany, that's a lot.
[15:14] >> And so, but why are they unable to reach
[15:17] some agreement as a group?
[15:20] >> Well, on on on on on the legal sense,
[15:22] there is no huge federal budget to to
[15:25] borrow money from. And on a smaller
[15:27] scale, Spanish taxpayers don't want to
[15:29] bail out Greek banks and so they will
[15:31] not find the political support for that.
[15:33] >> Now Edardenni, would a failure in Europe
[15:37] to come to some kind of overarching
[15:39] plan? Would that then blow back in a
[15:42] sense and and hurt our efforts here as
[15:44] well?
[15:45] I think that's the risk and I think
[15:47] that's what investors are concerned
[15:49] about that uh for for quite some time
[15:52] for over a year it appeared as though
[15:53] the credit crisis uh was uh mostly uh a
[15:58] a a United States uh phenomenon. Uh I
[16:01] think the disappointment was that uh
[16:03] there was lots of talk that it would be
[16:05] contained. Instead it continued to
[16:07] spread. It spread from subprime to other
[16:09] areas of our capital markets. uh and now
[16:12] it's obviously also having a a negative
[16:15] impact on on our economy. I think what
[16:18] happened this weekend is a re
[16:20] realization that this really is a global
[16:21] problem uh that it's not contained that
[16:24] it really continues to spread and uh if
[16:27] uh Europe uh goes into a deeper slowdown
[16:31] or recession that's going to depress our
[16:33] exports and uh unfortunately exports has
[16:36] been one of the few bright spots for the
[16:38] US economy. How do you see this, Jim
[16:40] Angel? How how much are we dependent now
[16:42] on on what happens there as much as they
[16:44] are on us?
[16:45] >> We're all in this together. That uh we
[16:48] had a global housing bubble and although
[16:51] a lot of the problems first surfaced in
[16:54] the US with all of the subprime loans we
[16:56] made and marketed around the world, many
[16:59] other countries also had problems in
[17:00] their banking sector with locally
[17:02] developed loans. Now, uh, we export to
[17:05] them, we import from them, they import
[17:08] from us. We're all in this together.
[17:12] >> Shaharman, what President Bush, we heard
[17:15] today, caution that this is going to
[17:16] take a while. Now, why does that not
[17:19] sink into markets here and in Europe? Or
[17:23] or or might it at some point?
[17:25] >> I I think the Europeans are just
[17:26] beginning to realize that this is their
[17:29] problem and this is going to grow on
[17:30] their soil. I think I much rather be the
[17:33] American economy because we can manage
[17:35] this. Uh uh the Treasury Secretary is
[17:38] now in the process of hiring some very
[17:40] very sharp professionals to manage now
[17:42] the bailout process as to what assets to
[17:44] buy, how to manage them and where to go
[17:46] from here. The Europeans are doing what
[17:48] we did two weeks ago trying to get
[17:50] together and find a solution and they
[17:52] cannot do a big bailout and so I think
[17:54] they're in much rougher waters than we
[17:56] are looking down the road. What about a
[17:59] a country like Germany, the biggest
[18:00] power in Europe? How much can it do on
[18:03] its own? And how much does it then
[18:04] engender, oh, I don't know, anger from
[18:07] other countries in Europe?
[18:08] >> Uh, I think the Irish started it off by
[18:10] saying that we're going to safeguard
[18:12] ourselves first and then, you know, we
[18:13] of course support any EUwide plan. Uh,
[18:16] but our markets come first and quickly
[18:18] five or six countries followed with
[18:20] Germany being the being the more recent
[18:22] one. And I think that the Germans have
[18:24] to do it. They have the largest
[18:25] financial markets like the French do.
[18:27] Smaller countries um to some extent are
[18:30] left on their own in terms of not having
[18:32] a wider bailout scheme.
[18:33] >> We heard a reference to Iceland in that
[18:35] itn got hit very very hard. I mean their
[18:38] currency dropped 30% uh in one day which
[18:41] is a lot. Uh they had a phenomenal rate
[18:44] of return because they had such high
[18:46] interest rates so for so many years. So
[18:47] did they did very well uh and and now
[18:50] they've got very hit. This is an
[18:51] oldfashioned banking panic. People are
[18:54] scared. There's a run on the banks. This
[18:56] has happened here. It's definitely
[18:58] happening in Europe. As I mentioned
[18:59] earlier, Europe is very heavily banked.
[19:01] The economy relies more on banks and
[19:03] loan banks on loans than anything else.
[19:06] Not like in this country where financial
[19:09] companies are are more diverse in the
[19:11] sources of financing.
[19:12] >> And Edard, you come back to this
[19:14] psychology question. It's a day when we
[19:15] went below 10,000 for the first time in
[19:18] quite a while. Is that significant or do
[19:20] we overplay benchmark round numbers like
[19:23] that?
[19:24] >> No, it's significant. It makes headlines
[19:26] and uh headlines get everybody's
[19:28] attention and I think the fact that uh
[19:30] we just cut through 10,000 like uh it
[19:33] didn't mean much of anything is actually
[19:36] unsettling because uh we had spent so
[19:38] much time at 10,000 a few years ago and
[19:41] uh all of a sudden we had a nice rally
[19:43] since 2003 and now we've given it all
[19:45] back. So, so that's very unsettling. May
[19:48] I make uh one point on this rescue plan?
[19:52] Uh the juryy's still out on exactly how
[19:54] it's going to get implemented and
[19:56] whether we're really spending the the
[19:57] the money wisely. There's other ways to
[20:00] spend the 700 billion than buying
[20:02] distressed assets uh uh in a in sort of
[20:05] a generic fashion. I I think that we
[20:08] might have get more bang for buck if we
[20:10] actually just bought all the distressed
[20:12] uh subprime mortgages uh and alt a
[20:15] mortgages. the kind of the the second
[20:17] worst mortgages in in this uh in this
[20:20] pile of uh of toxic assets. We really
[20:23] need to take the the toxin out of these
[20:26] uh capital markets rather than taking
[20:28] assets that have been mixed all
[20:30] together. We we need to pay them off and
[20:32] send the cash to those who have these
[20:34] securitized pool of fixed income uh
[20:37] assets. So I think there's actually
[20:39] still quite a bit of concern about
[20:40] whether this rescue plan is going to
[20:42] work uh as intended. Well, Jim Angel, in
[20:46] addition to that question of looking
[20:47] forward, how does how's that plan going
[20:49] to work? There was talk today about some
[20:51] kind of move, coordinated move between
[20:53] the Federal Reserve here and European
[20:56] central banks. What would that entail?
[20:59] What what what is possible to be done at
[21:00] this point? Well, both banks can in the
[21:04] US and in Europe, the central banks can
[21:06] lower interest rates. What that means is
[21:08] they would go into the market and they
[21:09] would buy up securities, usually
[21:11] government securities, but in these
[21:13] times of crisis, they might want to buy
[21:14] up private securities like commercial
[21:16] paper and in doing so they pay for it
[21:20] with the money they create. So when they
[21:22] go out and they push down interest
[21:24] rates, they push money into the markets
[21:26] and that means the banks have more money
[21:27] to lend
[21:28] >> and and a brief response from you. Do
[21:30] you see that as possible from Europe
[21:32] work Europe working with the US?
[21:33] >> I think they definitely are going to
[21:35] reduce interest rates. they have to. Now
[21:36] at this point the European Central Bank
[21:38] has no choice. But there are lots of
[21:39] other options here while we're trying to
[21:41] work out the bailout plan in the US and
[21:43] the Europeans are trying to get their
[21:44] act together at least individually and
[21:46] that is for example extending lines of
[21:48] credit from the Federal Reserve to banks
[21:50] lending to other banks you know and
[21:51] these this is a special list of banks
[21:53] which we deem safe. Uh perhaps extending
[21:56] uh the time frame for unemployment
[21:59] benefits. I mean these are all things
[22:00] that can shore up the market in the
[22:01] short run.
[22:02] >> All on the table at this point.
[22:03] >> That's right. All right. I want to thank
[22:04] you all three. Edgard Denny in New York,
[22:06] Shaherzad Raman and Jim Angel here with
[22:08] me in Washington. Thank you both very
[22:10] much.
[22:10] >> Thank you.
[22:10] >> Thank you.
[22:18] >> Our presidential campaign snapshot, Judy
[22:20] Woodruff is in charge.
[22:23] The race for the White House heated up
[22:25] even more over the weekend with the
[22:27] campaigns in attack mode on the trail
[22:30] and over the air. On Saturday,
[22:33] Republican vice presidential nominee
[22:35] Sarah Palin went after Barack Obama's
[22:38] character, raising his association with
[22:41] William Ayes, a founder of the radical
[22:44] Vietnam War era group, The Weather
[22:46] Underground.
[22:47] >> Our opponent is someone who sees America
[22:50] as imperfect enough to pal around with
[22:54] terrorists who targeted their own
[22:55] country.
[23:00] whether underground members were blamed
[23:02] for bombings of several public buildings
[23:04] when Obama was a child. At a primary
[23:07] debate in April, Obama denounced Ayer's
[23:10] views and activities.
[23:12] >> He does.
[23:13] >> And today in Asheville, North Carolina,
[23:16] where he's preparing for tomorrow's
[23:18] debate, Obama decrieded the McCain
[23:20] tactics. Uh I was a little surprised
[23:23] over the last couple of days to hear
[23:25] Senator McCain say uh or Senator
[23:28] McCain's campaign say that uh we want to
[23:31] turn the page on discussions about the
[23:34] economy and a campaign uh a member of
[23:38] Senator McCain's campaign saying today
[23:40] that if uh we keep on talking about the
[23:43] economic crisis, we lose. Uh I've got
[23:47] news for the McCain campaign. The
[23:48] American people are losing right now.
[23:50] They're losing their jobs. They're
[23:52] losing their healthcare. Uh they're
[23:54] losing their homes. They're losing their
[23:56] savings. I cannot imagine anything more
[23:59] important to talk about than the
[24:01] economic crisis. And the notion that we
[24:02] would want to brush that aside uh and
[24:05] engage in uh the usual political
[24:09] shenanigans and uh smear tactics that uh
[24:13] have come to characterize too many
[24:14] political campaigns. I think uh is not
[24:17] what the American people are looking
[24:18] for. But Palin has shown no signs of
[24:21] dropping the heirs issue, using the
[24:23] attack again at a rally this morning in
[24:26] Florida. Barack Obama says that he was
[24:29] just someone in the neighborhood, but
[24:32] that's less than truthful.
[24:36] His own top advisor said that they were
[24:38] quote certainly friendly. In fact, Obama
[24:41] held one of his first meetings of his
[24:43] political career in Billair's living
[24:45] room in Albuquerque, New Mexico. McCain
[24:48] himself went after Obama, accusing him
[24:51] of ducking questions about his past.
[24:54] >> Rather than answer his critics, Senator
[24:56] Obama will try to distract you from
[24:59] noticing that he never answers the
[25:02] serious and legitimate questions he's
[25:04] been asked.
[25:11] But let let me reply in the plainest
[25:14] terms that I know. I don't need lessons
[25:17] about telling the truth to the American
[25:19] people.
[25:22] And were I ever to need any improvement
[25:24] in that regard, I probably wouldn't seek
[25:27] advice from a Chicago politician.
[25:32] The Obama campaign today pushed back
[25:35] against the heirs attacks with its own
[25:38] guilt by association claim. A 13-minute
[25:41] documentary online about McCain's
[25:44] involvement in the Keading Five scandal.
[25:46] >> The Keading Five involved all the things
[25:49] that have brought the modern crisis. In
[25:52] the late 1980s, McCain was among five
[25:55] senators accused of improperly aiding
[25:58] savings and loan executive Charles
[26:00] Keading, a big campaign donor. An
[26:03] investigation by the Senate Ethics
[26:05] Committee found McCain had used poor
[26:07] judgment in his dealings with Keading.
[26:10] Meanwhile, the McCain campaign is
[26:12] running a new television ad that seizes
[26:15] on part of an Obama comment on the war
[26:17] in Afghanistan.
[26:19] Who is Barack Obama? He says our troops
[26:22] in Afghanistan are
[26:24] >> just air raiding villages and killing
[26:26] civilians.
[26:27] >> How dishonorable.
[26:29] >> While the Obama campaign's media blitz
[26:32] includes a new television spot
[26:34] criticizing McCain's healthcare
[26:36] proposal.
[26:37] >> On health care, John McCain promises a
[26:39] tax credit. But here's what he won't
[26:41] tell you. McCain would impose a new tax
[26:44] on health benefits. Taxing your health
[26:46] care for the first time ever. Obama has
[26:49] also drawn attention to health care
[26:51] while on the stump as he did in Newport
[26:53] News, Virginia on Saturday.
[26:56] >> The question isn't how we can afford to
[26:58] focus on healthcare. The question is how
[27:01] can we afford not to
[27:05] >> because in order to fix our economic
[27:08] crisis and rebuild our middle class, we
[27:11] need to fix our health care system, too.
[27:14] A new SUFFK University poll shows Obama
[27:17] with a 12point lead in Virginia, a state
[27:20] that hasn't voted Democratic in 44
[27:22] years. That matches the trend in other
[27:25] battleground state surveys, most of
[27:27] which have Obama running at least a few
[27:30] points ahead.
[27:32] For more on the latest political
[27:33] developments, we turn to Karen Tumulty.
[27:36] She's national political correspondent
[27:38] for Time magazine and Amy Walter,
[27:41] editor-inchief of The Hotline, the
[27:42] national journal's political daily.
[27:45] Thank you both for being here. We're 29
[27:47] days from the election. Uh Amy, and on a
[27:50] day when the economy is uh has everybody
[27:54] worried. You've got all this negativity.
[27:56] You've got the McCain campaign talking
[27:59] about uh somebody who was involved in uh
[28:02] the with the weather underground back in
[28:05] the 1960s. What do you make of all this?
[28:08] Is this the kind of tactic that's going
[28:09] to work?
[28:10] >> Well, it's actually it shouldn't come as
[28:12] that much surprise. As you pointed out,
[28:14] we're 29 days out. John McCain knows
[28:16] looking at the polls, he's not making
[28:19] much traction. Last week was terrible
[28:20] for his campaign. The focus on the
[28:22] economy, not good for the McCain
[28:24] campaign. focus on George Bush every
[28:26] time he's on television talking about
[28:28] the economy. Not good for John McCain.
[28:30] Subtlety gets thrown out the window at
[28:32] this point in a campaign. And so you
[28:33] have to go I if you are the campaign
[28:36] that's behind directly for the the
[28:38] easiest attack that you can. In this
[28:40] case, it's character trying to move the
[28:42] topic off of the things you don't want
[28:44] to talk about and onto Obama. And the
[28:47] issues that were brought up a lot during
[28:49] the primary campaign haven't necessarily
[28:51] been answered, hoping that maybe, just
[28:53] maybe, the the focus in the next couple
[28:56] weeks will get off the economy and they
[28:58] can make this a referendum on Barack
[28:59] Obama instead of a referendum on the on
[29:01] the issue agenda.
[29:02] >> Karen, a smart tactic.
[29:04] >> You know, people do negative campaigning
[29:07] traditionally because it works, but I
[29:09] think that it's more difficult to pull
[29:11] something like this off when you are in
[29:13] the middle of a crisis as big as this
[29:15] one. In fact, I was when I was watching
[29:17] the McCain speech in Albuquerque um
[29:20] today where he was, you know, very
[29:22] angrily saying, "We don't know who this
[29:24] Barack Obama is." That was the smaller
[29:27] picture on the screen. The bigger
[29:28] picture on the screen was the the Dow
[29:30] Jones board, which was down at that
[29:32] point, you know, something like 400
[29:34] points. So, I don't think this is
[29:37] particularly what the public is
[29:39] listening for from these candidates
[29:41] right now. And certainly the polling
[29:43] does not suggest that this is is getting
[29:46] much traction. In fact, for the first
[29:48] time in a series of polls that we're
[29:50] seeing today, for the first time, Obama
[29:52] is getting over 50% in the polls. It
[29:54] suggests that this is not hurting him.
[29:56] And and Amy, you do get the sense that
[29:58] this is a kitchen sink approach, at
[30:00] least right now on the part of the
[30:02] McCain camp there. Uh you had Sarah
[30:03] Palin quoted as saying she was looking
[30:05] at whether or not they should bring up
[30:07] Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Uh there was
[30:10] someone who introduced Senator McCain
[30:12] today who used uh Senator Obama's middle
[30:14] name through Hussein. Um so do we expect
[30:18] to see more of this in the days to come?
[30:20] >> Well, this is what's interesting in in
[30:21] that and I agree with Karen too that
[30:24] when you're at a at a point at history
[30:26] like we are right now, the traditional
[30:29] campaign tactics just are much more
[30:32] difficult to actually take hold. Um and
[30:34] the fact is, you know, if you are are
[30:37] looking at where uh the McCain campaign
[30:39] is going right now, um they are hoping
[30:42] that those tactics do work out. Um when
[30:45] all said and done though, I'm surprised
[30:47] that we haven't seen more 527 outside
[30:49] groups doing this. It's rare that we see
[30:51] the candidate themselves actually going
[30:53] out there and making these attacks. They
[30:55] can go out and talk about issue agenda
[30:57] while other groups come in and take up
[31:00] some of the harshest rhetoric. But at
[31:01] this point, we haven't seen any. doesn't
[31:03] mean they're not going to come, but
[31:04] right, what the McCain campaign
[31:05] obviously is gambling is that they have
[31:07] to do it themselves cuz they can't wait
[31:09] for somebody else to come in.
[31:10] >> Well, and Karen, you've got uh the Obama
[31:12] camp coming back with this documentary
[31:14] they're calling it online where they're
[31:16] going after McCain, bringing up the
[31:18] Keading Five uh scandal from the back in
[31:21] the late 1980s. Is this a smart move for
[31:25] Obama or is this potentially dangerous
[31:27] for him to get down in the mud, too?
[31:30] Well, Barack Obama said in a radio
[31:32] interview, I think it was today, I'm not
[31:34] going to throw the first punch, but I'm
[31:36] going to throw the last one. Um, I
[31:38] however think that it is entirely
[31:40] possible for him to overplay this
[31:42] because he both he and John McCain came
[31:44] into this race representing a new and
[31:46] different brand of politics, a politics
[31:49] that was more about consensus, less
[31:50] about bitter partisanship. And I do
[31:53] think that if Obama responds too much in
[31:56] kind, it's it's almost like both
[31:58] campaigns have overlearned the lessons
[32:00] of the Swift veterans from four years
[32:02] ago. But I think if he responds too much
[32:04] in kind, he really damages his own
[32:07] brand, particularly with these swing
[32:09] voters, these independent voters that
[32:11] he's very badly going to need on
[32:13] election day.
[32:14] >> So does he has a choice, Amy, is is what
[32:17] you're saying. Well, but it's a yeah,
[32:18] and it's a very fine line to to have to
[32:20] play uh given that yes, I think it is
[32:23] true that there is the overtlearned
[32:25] lesson of the boat, which is any attack,
[32:27] you don't not only punch back, but you
[32:29] punch back harder. Although it is
[32:31] noticeable that they're not doing this
[32:32] on television, they're doing this
[32:33] through the web, hoping that free media
[32:34] is going to push this for them. Um the
[32:37] other question then comes uh into just
[32:40] how much further this is going to go or
[32:41] is this just a quick response. Remember,
[32:43] Barack Obama, even though he's ahead in
[32:45] these polling, he's looking very good
[32:47] right now for a good proportion of this
[32:49] key electorate, he still remains
[32:52] something of an enigma to them. And so,
[32:54] I think the fact is he cannot allow any
[32:57] attack on the character on these issues.
[32:58] Is he too risky to go unanswered?
[33:02] Well, Karen, you brought up these polls
[33:05] a minute ago and saying, you know, for
[33:06] the first time, you are seeing Obama
[33:08] consistently at least for a few days
[33:10] over 50. How reliable are the polls
[33:13] right now? We are four weeks and a day
[33:15] out from the election.
[33:17] >> Well, the the polls, individual polls
[33:19] themselves are not reliable, but at this
[33:21] point, it's turning into a pattern. And
[33:24] um it is is turning into a pattern that
[33:26] is all it's all going one way. And once
[33:28] you see one candidate, in this case,
[33:30] Barack Obama, consistently over 50%, I
[33:33] think that's telling you that the the
[33:34] race is in fact solidifying. Amy, tell
[33:37] us some more about who these persuadable
[33:39] voters are who are out there. Well,
[33:41] that's a good question. And so, what
[33:43] we're looking at right now is both the
[33:44] national polling and the state polling.
[33:46] And what what we may be seeing
[33:47] nationally doesn't necessarily translate
[33:49] in some of these battleground states.
[33:51] But fundamentally, you know, we are
[33:53] looking at the same sort of typical
[33:55] groups of voters, whether it's women and
[33:58] white women, how those candidates are
[34:00] performing there. What's interesting to
[34:02] note is just on the national polls, at
[34:04] least in the polling that we're doing,
[34:06] uh Barack Obama is basically hitting the
[34:08] Democratic performance among white women
[34:10] and white men. It's John McCain who's
[34:12] underperforming. He's not doing as well
[34:13] as George Bush has done among those
[34:15] voters. So, you have a big group of
[34:17] white voters right now sort of sitting
[34:18] there trying to make up their mind here.
[34:20] They're sitting in the undecided column.
[34:22] Is this the kind of thing that pushes
[34:23] them? You know, this is what McCain's
[34:25] hoping, of course, is that these
[34:26] character issues, he doesn't, as as
[34:28] Sarah Palin said, he doesn't see America
[34:30] the way we do. Is that going to be the
[34:32] issue for these crossressured voters?
[34:34] For many of these folks, they've never
[34:36] probably voted for a Democrat or at
[34:37] least not in a long time. But the
[34:39] economy really pulling them even as
[34:41] their their cultural attachment to the
[34:43] Republicans is maybe holding them back a
[34:45] little bit.
[34:46] >> Well, that's my question, Karen. Why
[34:47] wouldn't those voters be exactly the
[34:49] ones who are very worried about what
[34:50] they're watching on television and and
[34:52] reading in the newspapers about the
[34:53] economy?
[34:54] >> They are very worried and they are very
[34:55] angry. But what I think they don't want
[34:58] is a a leader who looks like he is very
[35:01] angry. Um and I think that at this point
[35:04] that that Barack Obama's kind of calm,
[35:07] detached, intellectual demeanor with
[35:10] with all of this has served him well.
[35:13] >> Well, and and speaking of all that,
[35:15] we're coming into another debate. the
[35:16] second presidential debate tomorrow
[35:18] night. This one's different. It's a town
[35:20] hall style. The voters will be, I guess,
[35:22] just a few feet away who are asking
[35:24] questions from the candidates. Can they
[35:27] bring can Senator McCain or Senator
[35:29] Obama bring some of this really tough
[35:31] language into that setting? Well, it's
[35:34] very dangerous, first of all, to bring
[35:35] that into that setting because you are
[35:37] interacting with voters and so when
[35:39] you're looking somebody in the eye, it
[35:40] feels very different than running a
[35:42] campaign ad or being at a at a campaign
[35:44] rally. I think for most voters though,
[35:46] the the feeling is they want to see
[35:48] these candidates
[35:50] go through each one of their paces, the
[35:52] three debates, and then get an overall
[35:54] sense, the measure of how these folks
[35:56] did rather than looking at each debate.
[35:58] I know in the media, we love to grade
[35:59] each debate and we see it as a as an
[36:01] entity in and of itself. I think voters
[36:03] are going to look over the long haul of
[36:04] this by the time October 16th comes
[36:06] around after the last debate, they have
[36:08] a better sense for who these guys are.
[36:11] Well, I agree. And I think also in a
[36:13] town hall format, the voters are going
[36:15] to be listening for these candidates to
[36:16] be talking about them, not about each
[36:18] other. They're really going to be asking
[36:20] questions probably about their own
[36:21] problems and not each other the
[36:23] candidates character defects. So I think
[36:25] it would be very dangerous to to try
[36:27] this this anger uh anger strategy in a
[36:31] town hall forum. Right.
[36:32] >> All right. We'll see where we go. Karen
[36:34] Tumulty, Amy Walter, thank you both.
[36:44] Now, a most unusual school that changes
[36:47] lives. Special correspondent Fred de Sam
[36:49] Lazero reports from the Barefoot College
[36:52] in Northern India. A version of this
[36:55] story aired earlier on the PBS program
[36:58] Religion and Ethics News Weekly.
[37:02] The students are mostly women, some are
[37:04] grandmothers. Hundreds have come here
[37:06] from villages across India and a dozen
[37:08] countries to learn how to install and
[37:11] maintain solar energy systems in rural
[37:14] areas.
[37:15] Even though it's sophisticated
[37:17] coursework, the only prerequisite for
[37:19] admission to the barefoot college is
[37:21] that there are no prerequisites, not
[37:23] even to speak the language.
[37:25] >> First, the first time in Arabic spoken
[37:28] >> until we arrived with a translator.
[37:30] These Moritanian women who'd been here 4
[37:33] months hadn't spoken to anyone else in
[37:36] their native Arabic. But the college's
[37:38] founder says language is not a barrier
[37:40] to learning.
[37:42] >> Our job is to show how it is possible to
[37:45] take an illiterate woman and make her
[37:46] into an engineer in 6 months and show
[37:48] that she can sort electrify a village.
[37:51] Social entrepreneur Bunker Roy founded
[37:53] the Barefoot College in 1972,
[37:56] looking to use traditional knowledge and
[37:58] sustainable technology to help this
[38:00] impoverished desert region. It began
[38:03] with basics like finding safe drinking
[38:05] water. Then a few years later, solar. In
[38:09] 1986, no one ever thought of solar
[38:10] electrification. It was far too
[38:12] expensive. But today, we have 50 kow of
[38:15] panels on our roofs. All our 20, 30
[38:18] computers, electronic machine, telephone
[38:20] exchange, all works of solar. Today,
[38:23] solar energy drives not just the
[38:25] equipment, but a larger social
[38:27] experiment to improve the lives of some
[38:29] of the world's poorest people. It begins
[38:32] in the classroom run by instructors who
[38:35] themselves have little or no formal
[38:37] education.
[38:40] >> Instruction is delivered with a mix of
[38:42] body language, a few essential terms in
[38:45] English,
[38:48] and a lot of hands-on practice.
[38:52] >> The students create an illustrated
[38:54] manual they'll take home. It's the
[38:56] closest thing to a diploma certifying
[38:58] their training as solar technicians.
[39:01] But just coming here is an unlikely
[39:03] achievement for students like
[39:05] 56-year-old Sara Mousara, a widowed
[39:08] grandmother. She'd never attended school
[39:11] before, never even left her village in
[39:13] the West African nation of Moritania.
[39:18] >> At first, we did not even have a
[39:19] passport. We started little by little
[39:22] learning the solar energy system. Day by
[39:25] day and little by little, we were able
[39:27] to put things together.
[39:29] >> I have been to two villages in Meritia.
[39:32] Roy was educated at elite schools on a
[39:35] path to medicine or diplomatic service
[39:38] before he founded the Barefoot College.
[39:40] The idea of self-reliant learning was
[39:42] inspired by Mahatma Gandhi also by a
[39:46] legendary American.
[39:47] >> Well, it's Mark Twain who said never let
[39:49] school interfere with your education.
[39:51] School is something that you learn
[39:53] reading and writing. Education is what
[39:55] you learn from the family, from the
[39:57] environment, from the community.
[40:00] Using grants from the UN and private
[40:02] foundations, Bunker Roy travels
[40:04] extensively in developing countries
[40:06] seeking potential students. The ones he
[40:09] does not want are city dwellers and
[40:11] unless they're physically handicapped,
[40:14] men.
[40:14] >> We've come to the sad conclusion, men
[40:16] are untrainable. They expect too much.
[40:20] They're restless.
[40:22] If they're young, they're impatient. The
[40:25] first thing they ask even before the
[40:26] training starts is, "Do I get a
[40:28] certificate?" they will use that
[40:30] certificate to get the worst job
[40:31] possible in a city. Whereas if we take
[40:35] middle-aged grandmothers
[40:37] to be trained I don't have that problem
[40:40] of migration. Women not only don't leave
[40:43] their rural homes they also more
[40:45] reliably bring money back to their
[40:47] families says Saram Musara.
[40:51] When women work, there is at least food
[40:53] and something to drink to take care of
[40:55] the family. And we can even get our hair
[40:58] done with the extra money. But when a
[41:00] man works, maybe he'll bring home money
[41:02] and maybe he won't.
[41:04] >> How many houses are in the town?
[41:07] >> 500
[41:09] 500
[41:10] >> 500.
[41:11] >> Their villages in Moritania, like much
[41:13] of the rural developing world, are not
[41:15] electrified.
[41:17] May God reward you for what you have
[41:19] done because those people did not have
[41:21] any light and now they will have light.
[41:24] >> And these women will have an income
[41:26] installing and maintaining solar
[41:28] systems. They are a common site in
[41:30] villages near the barefoot campus
[41:32] replacing dirtier and more expensively
[41:35] fueled lanterns. We said you should pay
[41:39] as much as you pay today for kerosene,
[41:41] for wood, for batteries, for torches,
[41:44] for candles.
[41:46] comes to about $5 a month. They're
[41:48] willing to pay $5 a month for the use of
[41:51] the solar light. Solar has opened new
[41:54] opportunities for work and study,
[41:56] especially for girls. In both the
[41:58] majority Hindu and the minority Muslim
[42:01] communities here, girls have
[42:02] traditionally been restricted to
[42:04] household chores. And it's the girls who
[42:07] go and graze the cattle and graze the
[42:09] goats and the sheep. There is a feeling
[42:11] in the family that the boys should be
[42:13] getting better education, better
[42:15] education, whatever that means. So we
[42:17] started the night schools of the 1975
[42:19] purely from the point of view of
[42:21] attracting more girls who grace cattle
[42:24] in the morning to come to school at
[42:26] night.
[42:30] Today some 7,000 children attend night
[42:33] school here and across rural North
[42:35] India. In song, these girls plead to
[42:37] their parents to allow them to study, to
[42:40] delay marriage until they turn the legal
[42:42] age of 18, a law that's frequently
[42:45] ignored in rural society.
[42:48] >> Okay. 8 and five make how much?
[42:51] >> 13.
[42:53] >> 10 + 3.
[42:54] >> 13.
[42:56] >> Entertainment programs promote the
[42:58] Barefoot College and encourage children
[43:00] to attend school. There have also been
[43:02] campaigns to promote public health and
[43:04] accountability from government
[43:05] officials.
[43:08] New economic activity and technology
[43:10] seem to be eroding social barriers. For
[43:13] example, several women work to create
[43:15] solar stoves, a barefoot college
[43:17] enterprise. The solar cookers made at
[43:19] the Barefoot College are a simple but
[43:22] precisely engineered contraption. These
[43:25] mirrors track then capture the sun's
[43:27] energy and direct it to a cooker.
[43:30] which really cooks. For Sitha Davyy, who
[43:34] has only a second grade education,
[43:36] working on the cookers means she can
[43:38] hope for more for her baby girl.
[43:43] >> My daughter must be educated. She will
[43:46] be able to do things to progress so much
[43:48] faster than I can because of going to
[43:50] school more. For me, for example, it
[43:53] takes so much more time to measure out 3
[43:56] cm when I'm welding here. Whereas
[43:59] someone who is educated could do it in
[44:01] no time.
[44:03] >> Her colleague Shahanaz Banu says her new
[44:06] occupation greatly improved life for her
[44:08] family which includes two sons and a
[44:10] daughter.
[44:12] >> In our village, in our community, women
[44:15] were not allowed outside the house. My
[44:17] husband was reluctant, but I said if we
[44:20] stay behind the veil, we won't have
[44:22] anything to eat. Some people object to
[44:24] women working, but if we can add income
[44:27] to the household, that's a good thing,
[44:29] isn't it?
[44:30] >> Roy says a key to sustaining rural jobs
[44:32] and development is to use technology
[44:34] that can be managed by the local
[44:36] community, like solar lanterns, and
[44:39] technology that's familiar, like
[44:40] rainwater collectors.
[44:43] That was an idea developed by a rural
[44:45] architect who could neither read nor
[44:46] write, who designed the Barefoot
[44:49] Colleg's green campus. The foundation of
[44:52] everything Roy does is decentralization.
[44:55] It's a departure from the typical
[44:56] approach of aid agencies which he says
[44:59] want to bring big infrastructure and
[45:01] ideas created by outside experts.
[45:03] >> Any technology that that brings in
[45:06] dependency on anybody on outside is not
[45:09] a technology that will work. So far, the
[45:11] Barefoot College has solar electrified
[45:13] some 350 villages across India and
[45:16] dozens more in subsaharan Africa and
[45:19] even war torn Afghanistan.
[45:22] You can learn more about Barefoot
[45:24] College and similar projects in social
[45:27] entrepreneurship on our website. Just go
[45:30] to pbs.org and then scroll down to
[45:33] NewsHour Reports.
[45:41] And finally on this first Monday in
[45:44] October, a new term at the US Supreme
[45:46] Court with Marsha Coyle of the National
[45:49] Law Journal. Marsha Marsha, welcome
[45:51] again.
[45:51] >> Thanks, Jim.
[45:52] >> As always,
[45:53] >> in general, what are the expectations
[45:55] about this new court session?
[45:57] >> Well, Jim, the term is opening on a
[45:59] relatively lowkey note. And by that I
[46:01] mean there are no obvious blockbusters
[46:03] as we saw last term with the second
[46:06] amendment gun case and Guantanamo Bay
[46:08] and several big death penalty cases. But
[46:12] having said that, I've seen terms like
[46:14] begin like this before and something can
[46:17] come along suddenly a case if you recall
[46:19] in 2000 the presidential election and
[46:22] the ballot dispute in Florida produced
[46:24] the memorable Bush VGO decision. So it
[46:27] can change rather quickly. Uh but just
[46:31] because we don't have obvious
[46:32] blockbusters doesn't mean that the court
[46:35] also doesn't have very significant
[46:37] cases. And the way I look at a term is I
[46:40] try to see what areas of the law it
[46:43] seems to perhaps be able to do something
[46:45] very significant in. So I see four clear
[46:48] areas here. It's a hu potentially huge
[46:51] term for the environment. There are five
[46:54] cases, which is a large number on a
[46:56] small docket, and we'll see the first of
[46:58] those on Wednesday when the court hears
[47:01] arguments involving the Navy's use of
[47:03] very sophisticated sonar and its impact
[47:06] on marine mammals. First amendment and
[47:09] first amendment related. One of probably
[47:11] the two headline grabbing cases of the
[47:14] term. One involves the Federal
[47:16] Communications Commission defending its
[47:19] uh policy that it can punish as indecent
[47:23] speech ex uh fleeting expletives. That's
[47:26] the
[47:26] >> just one or two words. Right.
[47:28] >> Right. The one-time use in this case of
[47:30] the sword and the f-word. Uh and then
[47:33] also uh first
[47:34] >> and the and the and just for the record
[47:36] here, the the FCC said they could punish
[47:39] and now that's been appealed and that's
[47:41] what the court must now resolve. Right.
[47:42] Ex
[47:42] >> Exactly. Uh the FCC prior to 2006 did
[47:46] not punish fleeting expletives, but it
[47:49] changed its policy. Uh Fox uh television
[47:52] brought the lawsuit to challenge it, and
[47:54] that's what's before the Supreme Court.
[47:56] Okay. Uh, another direct first amendment
[47:59] challenge involves a church in Utah, the
[48:03] Sum Church. Uh, it wants to erect a
[48:07] monument in the Pleasant Grove City
[48:09] Municipal Park. That park has a monument
[48:12] to the Ten Commandments. Other monuments
[48:14] that it says reflects the city's history
[48:17] and heritage. It won't let this church
[48:20] erect a monument to the seven apherisms
[48:23] of the Sum religion. Uh that's a case is
[48:27] going to revolve around what kind of a
[48:30] forum is this city park and are these
[48:32] monuments private speech
[48:35] >> which you can't regulate or government
[48:37] speech which
[48:38] >> whether the government can whether the
[48:40] city government can choose between
[48:41] religions that they would allow a
[48:44] monument for. Is that that's basically
[48:46] it?
[48:46] >> Well, it's really not a church state
[48:48] case. It is a speech case and uh but it
[48:51] it does because the ten commandment
[48:54] monument is there there is the aspect of
[48:57] religious discrimination.
[48:58] >> Okay. Now you had a fourth you had a
[49:00] fourth category.
[49:01] >> I did. Uh it's preeemption. It's a
[49:04] horribly wonky term uh or nerdy term but
[49:07] it's really of all these cases it may
[49:10] impact more lives in this country. Uh it
[49:13] we have the first case today. It was the
[49:15] first case argued and it involves uh
[49:18] companies trying to limit consumers or
[49:22] injured parties from using state courts
[49:25] and state laws to bring suits against
[49:28] them when when they've been injured or
[49:30] harmed by a product. Uh
[49:33] businesses operate across state lines.
[49:36] They much prefer to have a uniform
[49:38] federal system of regulation and not
[49:40] have 50 different state regulations.
[49:42] Consumers when they're hurt would much
[49:44] rather go into state court under their
[49:46] state laws. So there is that tension
[49:48] here.
[49:48] >> And in this case is it's a tobacco
[49:50] issue.
[49:51] >> It is. It had to do with the labeling of
[49:53] light cigarettes, low tar cigarettes, a
[49:56] group of uh main smokers uh challenged
[50:00] under the state's unfair trade practices
[50:03] law. The labeling by of Philip Morris
[50:06] light cigarettes, low tar cigarettes
[50:07] said it was misleading, deceptive. It
[50:10] really didn't tell you how how heavy the
[50:12] nicotine was.
[50:13] >> So there's these four major areas that
[50:15] you've identified and there are a lot
[50:17] more cases than they usually take this
[50:18] time. Correct. There are the court had
[50:20] pretty much settled in the last uh
[50:22] almost decade on around 70 cases and
[50:26] when I started covering the court and I
[50:28] I hate to say when I did uh start
[50:32] you okay um it was about two decades ago
[50:36] the court was hearing and deciding
[50:38] between 150 and 160 cases. Uh I there's
[50:42] been a lot of public talk about the
[50:44] court's amazing shrinking docket and
[50:46] this year the court is on track though
[50:48] to to uh decide more than 70 cases. I
[50:51] don't know that if it's in response to
[50:54] those concerns. The chief justice during
[50:56] his confirmation hearings said he
[50:58] thought the court could be deciding
[51:00] more. Uh it may just be the nature of
[51:03] the cases that come up through the
[51:05] pipeline from the lower courts that
[51:06] they're seeing more. But going back to
[51:08] your first point that they've decided on
[51:10] these they've accepted these number of
[51:11] cases now that does not preclude as you
[51:15] said earlier another one coming in
[51:16] tomorrow that they could take and and so
[51:19] this could grow.
[51:20] >> That's correct. They they continue to
[51:22] add cases to the docket until about mid
[51:24] January and then they filled their
[51:26] calendar for
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[52:54] >> All right. And now to a man who was kept
[52:56] out of last week's Blazer Fanfest
[52:59] because the team said he looks shifty.
[53:02] Here he is, Steve Dunn with tonight's
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[53:05] >> I was just shifting in my chair a little
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[53:08] tonight's Circular File, let's go to
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[53:13] when you hear her story, you will
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[53:16] Payne was driving through an
[53:17] intersection. Another driver ran the red
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[53:34] some minor injuries, but her ride to
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[53:37] >> her last name. Yes. Thank you, D.
[53:39] >> You're welcome.
[53:41] >> I hope I can.
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[54:05] >> Tough times, jobs lost, families
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[55:03] >> What gives the Northwest its quality of
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