Nightline (ABC) - 1996-02-12 (Iowa caucuses)

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[0:00] Finally tonight, it's no Toy Story, it's

[0:02] a toy fair. More than 1600 toy vendors

[0:04] are gathered in New York City this week

[0:06] for the 93rd annual American

[0:07] International Toy Fair. Aim of the fair

[0:10] is for toy sellers to convince toy

[0:11] buyers their product is the next best

[0:13] thing when it comes to toys. No

[0:15] surprises here. The classics continue to

[0:17] sell well. The big sellers, Raggy, Ann

[0:19] and Andy, superhero action figures and

[0:21] Legos. The newest one, the Jeffa doll.

[0:25] >> You got to be kidding me.

[0:26] >> See you tomorrow. Big seller. Big

[0:28] seller.

[0:30] February 12th, 1996.

[0:33] >> The victory is tremendous, friends, and

[0:35] we are going to win this Republican

[0:36] nomination.

[0:39] >> The 1996 Iowa caucuses are now history.

[0:44] And Pat Buchanan has emerged with

[0:46] another strong showing, finishing second

[0:49] behind Senator Bob Do.

[0:51] >> We're going to make America a better

[0:53] place to live for our children and our

[0:54] grandchildren. That's what this race is

[0:57] all about. And when it's over, Bill

[0:58] Clinton will be out of work and I'll be

[1:00] in the White House.

[1:02] >> The other surprise of the evening, Lamar

[1:05] Alexander's third place finish.

[1:07] >> Thank you, Iowa. On to New Hampshire.

[1:10] Let the future begin.

[1:14] >> Steve Forbes and Phil Graham finished a

[1:16] disappointing fourth and fifth. 18 weeks

[1:19] ago, I was only an asterisk.

[1:25] But in 18 weeks, we have made remarkable

[1:28] progress. We have reshaped political

[1:30] life in America. We are now setting the

[1:33] agenda for this campaign.

[1:37] And I am very, very grateful for those

[1:40] who worked for me, for those who

[1:42] supported me. And I leave this state

[1:45] with a heart full of love for Iowa.

[1:49] Tonight, a nightline election special.

[1:52] The Iowa caucuses and the 96 vote.

[2:00] >> This is an ABC News Night Line special,

[2:06] the 96 vote, the Iowa caucuses.

[2:10] Reporting from Washington, Ted Cppel.

[2:14] When all is said and done, we may have

[2:16] to conclude that the Iowa caucuses are

[2:19] important only because an informal

[2:21] consensus among politicians and the

[2:23] media concludes that they ought to be.

[2:25] It's not altogether clear what else we

[2:27] can point to. Winning in Iowa does not

[2:30] produce especially useful information as

[2:32] to who will win the nomination.

[2:34] Tonight's vote in Iowa isn't even

[2:36] binding. It's just a straw poll. The

[2:39] delegates who were picked this evening

[2:41] won't themselves be going to the

[2:43] Republican convention in San Diego. They

[2:45] will pick another slate of delegates who

[2:47] in turn will pick a third slate at a

[2:50] state convention in mid June.

[2:52] Ultimately, only 25 Ians will be among

[2:55] the 1,990

[2:57] delegates who do pick the Republican

[2:59] nominee for president. And by then, they

[3:02] will be perceived as having very little

[3:04] clout indeed. But tonight, if only

[3:07] because their rejection of certain

[3:09] candidates will begin the process of

[3:10] narrowing down the field. Tonight, Iowa

[3:13] counts. It is difficult to imagine ABC

[3:16] News covering a major political event

[3:18] without David Brinkley, so we won't even

[3:20] imagine it. David will join us a little

[3:23] later on. Heading up ABC's political

[3:26] coverage as he always does, Peter

[3:27] Jennings joins me now live from De

[3:29] Moine. So, for whatever it's worth,

[3:31] Peter, how did it shake down in Iowa?

[3:33] Well, I was just listening to everything

[3:35] you said about the delegates and

[3:36] everything is true, but Iowa, of course,

[3:38] is all about perceptions. Ted, um, it is

[3:40] perception, perception, perception that

[3:42] counts here tonight. This is the first

[3:44] half of the double header. Nobody has

[3:46] gone out of Iowa before not being in the

[3:49] top three and has gone on to win the

[3:51] presidential nomination. And when we

[3:53] look at the raw vote tonight, the

[3:55] turnout as it occurred, you get a pretty

[3:57] good impression of why it has been a

[4:00] fairly exciting and reasonably dramatic

[4:02] evening. As you look at Bob Dole's 26%,

[4:05] uh, take note of what Mark Halprin, one

[4:07] of our political analysts, said here

[4:09] when he was monitoring the Associated

[4:11] Press, the first AP lead this evening

[4:13] said a clear-cut win for Bob Dole. The

[4:15] second one said Bob Dole won sharing the

[4:17] spotlight with Lamar Al Lamar Alexander.

[4:19] Look at Alexander in third place. And

[4:21] then the third lead said Bob Dole scores

[4:24] a shaky victory. Um, in fact, Bob Dole

[4:27] got 26% of the vote. We've now got 97%

[4:30] of the IGA caucuses reporting. Buchanan

[4:32] 23%. The turnout, if you look at the

[4:35] turnout thing here, you will see that

[4:37] the turnout was infinitely lower than

[4:40] people had anticipated. Brian Kennedy,

[4:42] who is the Republican state chairman

[4:44] here, pointed out before the vote today

[4:46] that a low turnout would favor Buchanan.

[4:49] And he believes that this low turnout,

[4:51] 98,000 people,

[4:53] 135,000 anticipated, um, was the result

[4:57] of negative campaigning here, turned

[4:58] people off rather than on. and Buchanan

[5:01] benefited from that. Now, Senator Dole

[5:04] has been in and out of his broadcast

[5:05] commitments all day, saying first he

[5:07] would appear, then saying he would not

[5:09] appear. But a short while ago, as he

[5:12] left his headquarters to go back to his

[5:14] hotel, ABC's John Cochran was waiting

[5:16] for him.

[5:18] >> All right, here we are.

[5:19] >> Is it you and now?

[5:22] >> I don't know. Could be.

[5:24] >> You think it's going to be a two man

[5:25] race?

[5:25] >> Here we go.

[5:26] >> Uh, I think it'll do pretty well there.

[5:28] I think we'll do pretty well there. I

[5:29] don't know what will happen to, you

[5:32] know, Graham and Luger and Forbes. Are

[5:34] you surprised Forbes did so fully?

[5:36] >> Uh, well, I never thought he'd be as

[5:38] strong in a caucus because in addition

[5:39] to name recognition, you got to get up

[5:41] and get the people organized. So, I

[5:42] think he I think he's probably right in

[5:45] saying he might do a little better in

[5:47] New Hampshire, but such a poor showing

[5:49] here, he's going to be it's going to be

[5:51] uphill. Senator, are

[5:52] >> you surprised? So, well,

[5:54] >> uh, yeah, a little bit, but he thought

[5:56] of it. He got a little bump out of

[5:57] Louisiana.

[5:59] But uh we're surprised. I said 28%. We

[6:02] got 27.

[6:03] >> You have to move to the right now with

[6:04] Buchanan. Be more socially conservative,

[6:07] economically conservative. Do you have

[6:08] to run to the

[6:08] >> No, I think I just stay uh where I am.

[6:10] Mainstream conservative, Bob Dole, get

[6:13] things done, reign in the government, do

[6:15] these things we've talked about, more

[6:17] power back to the states. Uh and that

[6:20] will be where that is.

[6:22] >> No, no negative campaigning.

[6:24] >> Well, I haven't done any uh very little

[6:25] so far, but

[6:26] >> thank you, sir.

[6:27] >> Don't know how much money. Do you think

[6:28] this Iowa show that negative campaigns

[6:30] don't work?

[6:31] >> I I hope so.

[6:33] >> Not about.

[6:34] >> Well, a couple of things there aren't

[6:35] precise or absolutely precise. Senator

[6:38] Do has indulged in some negative

[6:41] campaigning as certainly most political

[6:42] professionals know. As for where he set

[6:44] the bar during World News Tonight

[6:45] earlier this evening, he said he set it

[6:47] at 30%, then he lowered it to 28, and

[6:50] then he lowered it to 26, which is in

[6:52] fact what he got. And as we said to

[6:54] repeat, negative campaigning here deemed

[6:57] as Lynn Shur is going to tell us when we

[6:59] get to our exit polls in Toto may have

[7:01] had a serious impact here. How did

[7:03] people vote? Why did they vote the way

[7:05] they did? And how did we get a handle on

[7:07] that? In the Iowa caucus, people

[7:08] actually participated in entrance polls.

[7:11] They told us on their way into the many

[7:13] caucuses all across the state who they

[7:15] intended to vote for and many of the

[7:17] reasons. And Lynn sure, as she does in

[7:19] every political year, monitors that for

[7:21] us. Lynn? Well, Peter, the key tonight

[7:23] is clearly the issues. Iowa voters told

[7:26] us exactly what mattered most to them,

[7:28] and the men they thought best able to

[7:30] tend to those concerns came out very

[7:31] well. We asked which issue was most

[7:34] important in choosing a candidate.

[7:36] Number one from more than a third of the

[7:37] voters was conservative values, and Pat

[7:40] Buchanan won a very large 43% of that

[7:43] vote. The next two finishers were Phil

[7:45] Graham and Allen Keys. The second most

[7:48] important issue cited by voters tonight

[7:50] was the candidates's ability to beat

[7:52] Bill Clinton. Of the Ians to whom that

[7:54] mattered most, nearly half voted for

[7:56] Lamar Alexander. Bob Dole was far behind

[7:59] and Pat Buchanan got only 7%. The issue

[8:03] that ranked third with voters was

[8:05] experience in Washington. And as you

[8:07] might expect, Bob Dole won an

[8:09] overwhelming 80% of their vote. But that

[8:12] was not enough to give him the

[8:13] overwhelming victory that he really

[8:15] wanted. And that's partly because nearly

[8:17] a quarter of the caucus goers we

[8:19] questioned said they decided on a

[8:21] candidate within the last three days and

[8:24] nearly a third of them voted for Lamar

[8:26] Alexander. Pat Buchanan picked up nearly

[8:28] a quarter of the late support. Bob Dole

[8:31] considerably less. In fact, Alexander

[8:33] and Buchanan dug deep into the Dole

[8:36] electorate. Some 48% of the voters said

[8:39] that they had decided on Dole early on.

[8:41] Tonight, he got just over half of that.

[8:44] Peter

[8:44] >> Lynn, thanks very much. Just want to

[8:46] carry that interpretation of Alexander

[8:47] just a touch further because in his

[8:49] campaign rallies here, there's always

[8:51] three blocks on the stage. One says ABC,

[8:53] it means Alexander beats Clinton. And

[8:54] when asked who beats Bill Clinton, he

[8:56] does West. As for late deciders,

[8:58] Alexander probably did very well here in

[9:00] the final days by managing to convince

[9:02] people that he had not participated in

[9:04] the negative campaign to which so many

[9:06] Ians had taken exception. Any rate, a

[9:09] short while ago, we talked to the

[9:11] governor here in De Moine.

[9:15] And you know as well as I do that the

[9:17] Iowa dictim is organize, organize,

[9:19] organize and finish hot. You did quite

[9:21] well tonight. Why? Well, we finished hot

[9:23] t. I I think a couple of things. I I

[9:25] think Ians really were turned off by the

[9:27] negative advertising. And I think they

[9:29] were looking for new leadership. Uh and

[9:31] I think both those things in the last

[9:33] few days made a big difference for me.

[9:35] >> If they were looking for new leadership,

[9:36] they voted more for Pat Buchanan than

[9:38] they did for you.

[9:39] >> What's that tell?

[9:41] Well, everyone knows Pat and I

[9:42] congratulate him for his good start and

[9:45] Senator Dole as well, but I'm new on the

[9:47] scene. I started at zero and I've done

[9:49] much, much better than anyone might have

[9:52] expected. And as you look at Senator

[9:54] Dole and Pat Buchanan and me and think

[9:56] about who can stand up there with Bill

[9:58] Clinton in October and who can present a

[10:01] conservative vision of the future

[10:03] that'll attract a majority of Americans,

[10:04] I think I have a very good chance now to

[10:06] be to be nominated. On the other hand,

[10:08] you did campaign in Iowa for 80 days,

[10:11] longer than anybody except Keys.

[10:13] Shouldn't you have done as well or even

[10:15] better?

[10:16] >> Well, I hope so. I I hope that what this

[10:18] campaign said was yes to grassroots

[10:20] campaigning and no to negative

[10:22] mudslinging. I mean, if it weren't for

[10:24] the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire

[10:26] primary, someone like me could never run

[10:28] for president. They'd all be

[10:29] zillionaires or or Washington senators.

[10:31] So, this is my opportunity to be on

[10:33] stage and present my message about less

[10:36] from Washington and more from us. And

[10:38] I'm delighted to have that opportunity.

[10:40] >> Now, you're going to be like everybody

[10:41] else, get on a plane and rush up to New

[10:43] Hampshire tonight to try to take

[10:44] advantage of this finish. You've talked

[10:45] a lot about negatives ads. Would you

[10:47] like to start the ball rolling with a

[10:48] pledge never to use them?

[10:51] >> I don't I don't plan, Peter. I'm I don't

[10:54] I plan to start in New Hampshire with

[10:57] the same sort of positive campaign that

[10:59] I that I had in Iowa. I spent about

[11:01] $800,000 on television here. Mr. Forbes

[11:04] must have spent four million. I'm going

[11:06] to start that way. I'd like for every

[11:08] candidate to do that. We need a vision

[11:10] contest in order to beat Bill Clinton.

[11:12] And I hope that I can stay on that high

[11:14] road all the way through to the end.

[11:16] >> But it's not quite a pledge. In other

[11:18] words,

[11:18] >> no, it's not quite a pledge. Uh I'm in

[11:20] this to win. But I believe what

[11:22] Americans are looking for and what

[11:23] Republicans are looking for is some

[11:26] Republican who can really be a

[11:28] president. someone who can paint a

[11:29] picture of the future. We had Bill

[11:31] Clinton in Iowa this weekend. He

[11:33] reminded us that his medicine show when

[11:36] it goes on the road is a pretty good

[11:38] show and we better be careful about who

[11:40] we nominate uh in New Hampshire in the

[11:42] next three weeks. I think that's why I

[11:44] got such a good vote tonight and why it

[11:46] came up so rapidly the last few days.

[11:48] >> Was it exciting to watch those numbers

[11:50] come in tonight or was it

[11:51] nerve-wracking?

[11:52] >> No, it was exciting. I've, you know,

[11:54] I've been here 80 days. My wife Honey's

[11:56] been here 75. Um, we're delighted. I I

[11:59] owe a great big thank you for Iowa to

[12:02] get for giving me an opportunity to take

[12:04] this campaign across the country and I'm

[12:06] going to take full advantage of it.

[12:08] >> Thank you very much, Governor Lamar

[12:09] Alexander, Tennessee off to New

[12:11] Hampshire.

[12:11] >> Thank you, Peter.

[12:13] >> Ted, for all that talk about Mr. Forbes

[12:15] being a zillionaire, Lamar Alexander has

[12:17] one of the best fundraising teams in the

[12:19] entire country. Back to you.

[12:20] >> Well, speaking of Mr. Forbes, I'll be

[12:22] talking to him when we come back.

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[15:05] The runner up in tonight's Republican

[15:07] contest can claim a victory of his own.

[15:09] A little earlier this evening, Pat

[15:10] Buchanan addressed his supporters in De

[15:12] Moine.

[15:14] >> I have heard that I don't know the tale

[15:17] may be apocryphal that President Clinton

[15:19] said today that Pat Buchanan is the one

[15:22] I want to run against. Well, Mr.

[15:24] President, Mr. PRESIDENT, YOU'RE THE

[15:26] FELLOW I want to run against, sir. And

[15:28] we're going to

[15:34] This is a victory for a cause that is

[15:35] larger than all of us, my friends. This

[15:38] is a victory for a new idea.

[15:45] This is a victory for a new idea in the

[15:47] Republican party and a national

[15:49] politics. A new spirited conservatism of

[15:52] the heart. By that I mean conservatives

[15:55] who will bravely stand up and speak out

[15:58] forever for the right to life of the

[16:00] innocent unborn and we will never

[16:02] apologize for those beliefs.

[16:06] >> Pat Buchanan joining me now live from De

[16:08] Moine, Steve Forbes. Mr. Forbes,

[16:10] handicap the field for me now. How does

[16:11] it look going into New Hampshire?

[16:13] >> Well, we're in good shape. Iowa was

[16:15] always our biggest hurdle. We had no

[16:17] organization when we began 18 weeks ago.

[16:20] We made a credible showing from the very

[16:22] beginning. We've had a 4321 strategy,

[16:25] finish in the top four in Iowa, top

[16:27] three in New Hampshire, top two in

[16:28] Delaware, and then win Arizona. We did

[16:31] set the agenda. It is an agenda of

[16:33] growth, opportunity, of getting America

[16:35] moving again. The flat tax, I think, is

[16:37] going to appeal to the people of New

[16:38] Hampshire. So, I think we're going to

[16:40] continue to make progress because the

[16:42] American people do want to turn these

[16:43] problems into opportunities.

[16:45] >> Well, you got the flat tax in early

[16:46] tonight, Mr. Forest, but what what I was

[16:48] asking you to do was handicap the rest

[16:50] of the field for me.

[16:51] What what do you think Iowa has done to

[16:53] the to the Dole campaign? What do you

[16:55] think it has done for the Buchanan

[16:57] campaign? Mr. Graham appears to be out

[16:59] of it. Right.

[17:00] >> Well, what it has done has shown that

[17:02] the Pat Robertson forces of 88 came out

[17:04] for Pat Buchanan in 1996, but they

[17:07] weren't able to sustain that after Iowa.

[17:09] It's a broad-based party we have. Also

[17:12] too, Senator Dole showed that it's still

[17:14] a very fluid situation and going against

[17:17] Lamar Alexander. I look forward to

[17:19] debating him on specific issues,

[17:21] especially on reforming the tax code.

[17:23] So, I think we're in good shape. I think

[17:25] we've got a fourperson field and I think

[17:26] after New Hampshire it'll be three and I

[17:28] think we're going to win in Arizona and

[17:29] then win the nomination.

[17:30] >> When you say after New Hampshire, you

[17:32] think it'll be three? You mean Udole and

[17:34] Alexander?

[17:35] >> I'm not predicting the others. I know

[17:37] enough about politics not to make

[17:38] predictions about other people's

[17:40] campaigns. I'm concentrating on my

[17:42] campaign, honing my message, getting

[17:44] across the fact that we can revive and

[17:46] restore the American dream. I think

[17:48] that's why we're going to use Iowa as a

[17:50] building block for New Hampshire. Same

[17:51] thing with New Hampshire and Delaware,

[17:53] and then we're going to win in Arizona.

[17:54] >> Mr. Forbes, uh, I'm I'm not obviously

[17:56] stating anything new when I say the one

[17:58] thing you've got that the other

[17:59] candidates would love to have is almost

[18:01] an unlimited supply of money. So you can

[18:03] if you choose to keep going, but if you

[18:06] had uh a couple of disappointing

[18:09] finishes, let's say in New Hampshire

[18:11] next week and beyond, at which point do

[18:13] you pull out? Well, when the voters say

[18:16] to pull out, but as I say, we knew Iowa

[18:18] was a caucus state, heavily organized

[18:21] state, we got off to a late start there.

[18:23] We made a credible showing. We finished

[18:25] within our projections of the top four,

[18:27] and we hope to do better in New

[18:29] Hampshire. I think we will because it is

[18:31] a primary state. We do have a growth

[18:33] message. We do have a message of getting

[18:34] America moving. And so I think we're

[18:36] going to continue to make progress right

[18:38] up to Arizona.

[18:38] >> We're down to our last few seconds, Mr.

[18:40] Forbes. I guess that's what I was asking

[18:42] you. You've set the bar for yourself at

[18:44] coming in no lower than third in New

[18:46] Hampshire. Would that be the message uh

[18:48] if the voters of New Hampshire tell you

[18:50] by voting you fourth or even fifth,

[18:52] would that be enough to discourage you?

[18:55] >> Well, I'm not going to make specific

[18:56] predictions. I remember Ronald Reagan in

[18:58] 1976 lost the first several primaries

[19:01] but came within an ace of winning the

[19:03] nomination. So I'm not going to make

[19:04] predictions. I do predict that as people

[19:06] learn more about a growth message, we're

[19:08] going to continue to make progress. And

[19:10] that's why I'm very very optimistic.

[19:11] >> Mr. Forbes, I know it's been a long day

[19:13] for you. I appreciate very much you're

[19:14] staying up so late. Thank you.

[19:16] >> Thank you.

[19:17] >> When we come back, Peter Jennings and

[19:19] Jeff Greenfield on why the people of

[19:21] Iowa went the way they did today.

[19:28] I'm kind of torn between right now. Um I

[19:32] think probably between Buchanan and

[19:34] Dole.

[19:34] >> I'm going to vote for Pat Buchanan

[19:36] because I believe that he's got

[19:39] conservative Christian views.

[19:41] >> More Alexander. I I like the campaign

[19:44] he's run. I agree with a lot of the

[19:46] issues that he's talking about.

[19:48] >> Bob Dole and I just feel Bob uh is is

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[19:55] primarily.

[19:56] >> I admire Dole and I like him and I

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[23:05] vote continues. Once again, reporting

[23:08] from Washington, Ted Cppel.

[23:11] And joining me live once again from

[23:13] Iowa, Peter Jennings. I sometimes

[23:14] wonder, Peter, why we ever expect to get

[23:17] an honest answer when someone who comes

[23:18] in a little lower than anticipated is

[23:20] asked about it.

[23:22] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, this setting of the

[23:24] bar and and the spinning of the next

[23:25] day. There's a restaurant here in De

[23:27] Moines where uh most of the local and

[23:29] the national press has been gathered for

[23:31] the last few days, Ted, and you can

[23:33] almost feel uh the sort of machination

[23:36] of the way the headlines are going to

[23:37] look the next day. A participant in all

[23:39] of this analysis, of course, our own

[23:41] ABC's Jeff Greenfield, who has spent

[23:43] today down at what we call cyberspace

[23:45] central, I think it is, the armory, the

[23:48] stark armory just outside De Moine,

[23:50] where Jeff has been looking on all those

[23:52] screens. Jeff, at all the caucuses all

[23:54] across the state. That's fascinating.

[23:55] >> It has been fascinating, Peter. You

[23:57] know, all night we've been talking about

[23:58] the big picture, projections,

[24:00] percentages, perceptions, expectations.

[24:02] But here at what they call the fiber

[24:03] caucus, we've been looking at some 32

[24:06] caucuses the way they were meant to be

[24:07] seen as individual men and women who've

[24:09] gathered with their friends and

[24:10] neighbors in high schools and community

[24:12] colleges and armories all across the

[24:14] state. We wanted to show you some of

[24:15] their what they said with their voices

[24:18] uh and with their votes.

[24:20] I am supporting Patrick Buchanan because

[24:24] he to me is another Abraham Lincoln. He

[24:27] is fearless

[24:29] >> from Indianola, a community south of De

[24:31] Moine. That plea for Pat Buchanan and

[24:34] this plea for Steve Forbes.

[24:36] >> I think one of the major things that

[24:37] that causes me to to feel very strongly

[24:40] about Steve Forbes is the fact that

[24:42] there are a lot of young people that

[24:45] have a future at stake. Reverend Pat

[24:47] Robertson came in first here eight years

[24:49] ago. This time Dole placed first, Steve

[24:52] Forbes second. From Jefferson in Green

[24:55] County, home of George Gallup, father of

[24:57] modern political polling. A plea for

[24:59] Lamar Alexander.

[25:01] >> His message is what we need for our

[25:03] country. Personal responsibility.

[25:05] >> The plea may have worked. Jefferson went

[25:07] big for Robertson in 1988. This year,

[25:10] Alexander finished first, Buchanan

[25:12] second, Bob Doe third. from Hampton. The

[25:16] case for Bob Dole along with the sly dig

[25:19] at the media.

[25:20] >> Bob Dole is an honest, honorable man and

[25:23] he has loads of experience behind him.

[25:26] If you've doubted him because of

[25:28] anything you've heard on TV, remember

[25:30] from whence it came and for what purpose

[25:33] it was. And don't let that purpose

[25:35] defeat him. But if you're looking for a

[25:37] symbol for what happened in Iowa

[25:39] tonight, look at Carol, a community in

[25:41] western Iowa where Bob Dole won a huge

[25:43] victory eight years ago.

[25:45] >> Pat Buchanan star is rising.

[25:48] >> But this year, according to one of

[25:49] Dole's key supporters, many caucus

[25:52] participants thought that Dole was just

[25:53] too old. And with Phil Graham's campaign

[25:56] collapsing and Buchanan drawing new

[25:58] caucus participants with his strong

[26:00] anti-abortion stand, Buchanan won a

[26:02] smashing victory here. So the combined

[26:04] then for the entire

[26:07] Carol district,

[26:09] Buchanan wins with 90.

[26:12] Dole has 41.

[26:15] Alexander is 35.

[26:18] >> Peter, one thought from all these

[26:20] caucuses. That sound you're hearing is

[26:21] the sound of several prominent

[26:23] Republicans kicking themselves around

[26:24] the room for not entering this

[26:26] presidential race.

[26:27] >> I have a thought for you, Jeff. They say

[26:29] about Iowa that it's uh too small, too

[26:31] few people making too big a choice, too

[26:32] white, too old in some cases, religious

[26:34] conservatives having undue influence.

[26:36] But as you've watched all that tonight,

[26:37] do you share the view of other reporters

[26:38] that people take this civic duty pretty

[26:41] seriously?

[26:41] >> There is no question that that while all

[26:43] those objections I think have a lot of

[26:45] validity. What saves this caucus from

[26:47] complete attack on the outside is the

[26:49] fact that Ians are unique. One thing

[26:51] they did tonight, they did say two

[26:53] things. One, that they were turned off

[26:54] by the negative campaign because they

[26:56] turned out in low numbers. And second,

[26:57] they said to a very rich person, you got

[26:59] to do more than buy a lot of TV ads here

[27:01] in Iowa.

[27:02] >> Great, Jeff. Thanks very much. Had a

[27:03] great week with you. Go back to Ted Cop

[27:05] in Washington now. Ted,

[27:06] >> Peter, thanks very much. The the lights

[27:08] are already beginning to dim. That is on

[27:10] the quadrrenial spotlight that is being

[27:12] cast on Iowa. And starting tomorrow

[27:14] morning, people will be looking even

[27:16] more closely at New Hampshire, as will

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