CBS News - Presidential Debate - 2004-10-13 - 5 of 5 (partial)

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[2:47] the final presidential debate. Next at

[2:49] 11.

[2:52] President Bush and Senator Kerry were

[2:53] hoping tonight to help undecided,

[2:55] uncommitted voters make up their minds

[2:57] or maybe change some minds. So, how did

[3:00] they do? CBS News assembled a panel of

[3:03] uncommitted voters and monitored their

[3:05] reactions tonight electronically. CBS

[3:07] News correspondent Anthony Mason, our

[3:09] own computer whiz, is here now with the

[3:11] results. Anthony, what did you find out?

[3:12] >> Dan, the uncommitted voters in our

[3:14] survey have given the edge in this

[3:15] debate to this final debate to John

[3:17] Kerry. Let's look at the breakdown. 39%

[3:20] scored Carrie the winner. 25% said Bush.

[3:23] 36% called it a tie. Now, throughout the

[3:26] debate, as Dan said, we monitor the

[3:28] reactions of some 200 registered but

[3:30] uncommitted voters across the country.

[3:32] This scientific sample was selected by

[3:33] the high-tech research firm Knowledge

[3:35] Networks. As these voters watched, they

[3:38] registered their approval or disapproval

[3:40] of the candidates on a sliding scale.

[3:42] Going into this debate, nearly twothirds

[3:44] of the voters in this survey said they

[3:46] thought the state of the economy was

[3:48] bad. When President Bush was asked about

[3:50] preventing the outsourcing of jobs

[3:52] overseas, watch the response. It

[3:54] actually goes negative.

[3:56] >> And here's some help for you to go get

[3:58] an education. Here's some help for you

[4:00] to go to a community college. We've

[4:02] expanded trade adjustment assistance. We

[4:05] want to help pay for you to gain the

[4:07] skills necessary to fill the jobs of the

[4:09] 21st century.

[4:10] >> Now, watch the meter turn up when Carrie

[4:13] responds.

[4:15] The fact is that he's cut job training

[4:17] money. A billion dollars was cut. They

[4:18] only added a little bit back this year

[4:20] because it's an election year. They've

[4:22] cut the Pell Grants and the Perkins

[4:24] loans to help kids be able to go to

[4:25] college. Now, the president did score

[4:28] well when he talked about his tax cuts.

[4:30] >> And when you have more money in your

[4:32] pocket, you're able to better afford

[4:34] things you want. I believe the role of

[4:36] government is to stand side by side with

[4:38] our citizens to help them realize their

[4:40] dreams, not tell citizens how to live

[4:42] their lives.

[4:43] >> At the end of the night, these

[4:44] uncommitted voters said both candidates

[4:47] shared their priorities. But John Kerry

[4:49] gained some ground with these voters.

[4:51] Before the debate, 29% said he had clear

[4:54] positions on the issues. After that

[4:57] number doubled to 60%. Now, finally, we

[5:00] asked these voters if they learned

[5:02] anything from the three debates that

[5:03] might help decide their vote. 70% said

[5:06] yes. Who are these uncommitted voters?

[5:09] They're a combination of registered

[5:10] voters who say they're still undecided

[5:13] and voters with a current preference who

[5:15] say their minds could still change. This

[5:17] uncommitted group generally gives

[5:19] President Bush lower approval ratings

[5:21] than the overall electorate, but they

[5:23] remain unpersuaded by Carrie. Now, how

[5:26] many of these uncommitteds are there out

[5:27] there? According to the latest CBS poll,

[5:29] they make up 18% of likely voters. And

[5:32] at this point in the campaign, that's

[5:34] not a lot. By comparison, when President

[5:36] Bush's father ran for reelection in

[5:38] 1992, twice as many people put

[5:41] themselves in the uncommitted column at

[5:43] this point in the campaign. Dan,

[5:44] >> to review quickly, Anthony, among the

[5:46] uncommitted that part in this poll

[5:48] tonight, what were the final figures on

[5:50] who won and who lost between Carrie and

[5:51] Bush?

[5:52] >> 30 39% give it to Carrie, 25 to Bush,

[5:55] 36% call it a tie.

[5:57] >> I may be wrong, but I think some people

[5:59] will look at this third debate and say

[6:00] you needed a speed yawning course to get

[6:02] through it. Was that indicated at all in

[6:04] this poll tonight?

[6:05] >> You get I mean, very often this meter

[6:08] just flat lines. You see no response.

[6:10] You did get specifically strong

[6:11] responses to issues like health care and

[6:14] jobs and the economy. You get strong

[6:16] responses there, Dan. Emotional ones.

[6:18] >> Anthony Mason. Thanks. Let's go back now

[6:21] to Arizona and to CBS News chief White

[6:23] House correspondent John Roberts. John,

[6:25] let's look ahead. Uh, in the view of the

[6:28] Bush campaign, what states are now

[6:31] critical? Let's pick three that are

[6:32] critical and they likely concentrate on

[6:34] in the days that remain.

[6:37] Well, if you're to pick three critical

[6:38] states, obviously the three big ones,

[6:40] Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio would

[6:41] come to mind. There's a sense that

[6:43] perhaps Pennsylvania has has slipped

[6:45] away. So, they'll be concentrating a lot

[6:47] in Ohio. But, they're also working on a

[6:48] formula, Dan, where they're trying to

[6:50] hit some of the Democratic states won by

[6:52] Al Gore in 2000 and see if they can turn

[6:54] those around. Wisconsin, Iowa, New

[6:56] Mexico come to mind. There is a formula

[6:58] by which President Bush could lose both

[7:00] Pennsylvania and Ohio and still come out

[7:02] on top if he can turn over some of those

[7:04] formerly blue states. That's what

[7:05] they're going to be doing for the next

[7:06] 20 days.

[7:07] >> And let's go now to Jim. Jim, uh, you

[7:11] follow the car the Bush campaign and the

[7:14] Kerry campaign, but with the Kerry

[7:16] campaign, what stage do they think are

[7:18] the three key states? Does it are they

[7:20] the same that John Roberts mentioned or

[7:22] not?

[7:24] >> Yeah, I think just if you look at the

[7:25] number of electoral votes, the three big

[7:27] prizes of course are Florida and Ohio

[7:29] and Pennsylvania. But what you're going

[7:31] to be seeing over the next 19 days, Dan,

[7:33] is a sharpening of rhetoric. John

[7:34] Kerry's about to get a new first name.

[7:36] It's not senator, it's liberal. He'll

[7:38] also be making his appeal to the middle

[7:40] class. Dan,

[7:42] >> thanks. And so, the presidential debates

[7:44] of 2004 go into the video archives for

[7:46] President Bush and Senator Kerry. The

[7:48] final face off tonight was perhaps their

[7:50] last best chance to win over undecided

[7:52] voters and maybe persuade some wavering

[7:54] voters to change their minds. Now, over

[7:56] the next 20 days, look for the

[7:58] candidates who do all they can to, first

[8:00] of all, energize their bases and get

[8:02] them to the polls to make sure their

[8:04] most loyal supporters actually get out

[8:06] and vote. In an election that is so

[8:08] close, turnout will be critical. Every

[8:10] vote will count. So, don't forget to

[8:12] exercise your right and fulfill your

[8:14] responsibility to vote, even if you have

[8:16] to do it by absentee ballot. There'll be

[8:18] more about the debates on your late

[8:20] local news on this CBS station. Also,

[8:22] first thing tomorrow on the CBS Early

[8:24] Show and tomorrow night on the CBS

[8:26] Evening News. For those of you on the

[8:29] West Coast, 60 Minutes Wednesday is

[8:31] coming up next. For John Roberts, Jim

[8:34] Axelrod, and Anthony Mason, and the CBS

[8:36] News team, I'm Dan Rather in New York.

[8:38] Good night, everybody.

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