Good Morning America (ABC) - 1992-12-10 (partial)
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[0:00] 11 years after their fairy tale wedding,
[0:02] Charles and [music] I agree to lead
[0:05] separate lives.
[0:07] [music]
[0:11] And good morning, America. I'm Charles
[0:12] Gibson.
[0:13] >> And I'm Dana [music] King. And for Joan
[0:14] London, it's Thursday, December 10th.
[0:17] You know, some say it was bound to
[0:18] happen. After years of rumor, innuendo,
[0:20] [music] and denial, the Prince and
[0:22] Princess of Wales, Charles and Diana,
[0:25] have reached an agreement to end their
[0:26] unhappy marriage. It's a formal
[0:28] separation [music] which would allow him
[0:30] to still be king, she could still be
[0:32] king queen. But why in this day and age
[0:35] when the monarch is just a figurehead
[0:36] does their split cause national concern
[0:38] in Britain? We're going to ask a leading
[0:40] British broadcaster. But also this
[0:42] morning, joining us from far away is
[0:44] Spencer Christian who's in Jackson,
[0:46] Mississippi this morning. Good morning.
[0:48] >> Good morning, Dana. I'm in Jackson to
[0:50] help celebrate the 175th anniversary of
[0:52] Mississippi statehood. Also weatherwise,
[0:55] a major rain and snowstorm is preparing
[0:56] to hit the northeast and mid-Atlantic
[0:58] states. I'll have details coming up in
[1:00] this half hour. Charlie.
[1:02] >> All right, thanks very much, Spencer.
[1:03] Dana King in for Joan this morning. And
[1:05] we should mention, if you don't already
[1:06] know, haven't read it in your local
[1:07] newspapers, we're going to be starting a
[1:09] Sunday edition.
[1:09] >> That's right.
[1:10] >> of Good Morning America,
[1:11] >> January 3rd, bright and early, 8:00.
[1:14] >> And the whole show's already ready to
[1:15] go, right?
[1:15] >> Oh, yeah. All written down, memorized.
[1:18] >> Anyway, Dana will be here with Bill
[1:20] Ritter to do that and look forward to
[1:21] that starting off. Also this morning,
[1:23] we're going to check in on events in
[1:24] Somalia, of course, with Denise
[1:26] Richardson. He'll be joining us from the
[1:27] capital, Moadishu. Also this morning
[1:29] with us, a man who has dedicated himself
[1:30] to the urgent needs of the developing
[1:32] world, former President Jimmy Carter.
[1:34] But first, let's go to the news. Mike
[1:35] Schneider standing by with the latest.
[1:37] Mike,
[1:37] >> thank you, Charlie. Good morning,
[1:38] everybody. You probably think of Somalia
[1:40] as a dry, parched kind of land, but this
[1:42] morning in Moadishu, it is raining. It's
[1:44] been raining for a while. It's been
[1:45] raining very hard, and there are
[1:47] flooding conditions there. The streets
[1:48] are very muddy. It turning out to be the
[1:51] biggest problem of day two of this
[1:53] operation restore hope that has been
[1:55] mounted now by US forces and by the
[1:57] French for that matter as well. They're
[1:58] still trying to get the Somalian capital
[2:00] totally under their control. And we get
[2:02] details on their efforts from ABC's
[2:04] Linda Patillo.
[2:07] On the streets of Moadishu this morning,
[2:09] French legionnaires man checkpoints
[2:11] looking for weapons. US Marines
[2:14] displayed their firepower in the center
[2:16] of town. And together, they searched the
[2:19] area surrounding the headquarters of one
[2:21] of the city's most powerful warlords.
[2:24] Just one day after they arrived, the UN
[2:27] forces appear determined to rid
[2:29] Mogadishu of the guns that have held the
[2:31] city in terror. It is noticeably calmer.
[2:34] >> Everything is coming back to normal.
[2:37] Mlush is back to life. That's what we
[2:40] feel right now
[2:42] >> at the city market. The supply of stolen
[2:44] relief food is drying up and few people
[2:47] are chewing the narcotic leaf cot which
[2:50] often contributed to the violence here
[2:52] because the planes that bring it from
[2:53] Kenya have been unable to land.
[2:57] There are other signs of change. Former
[2:59] Somali police officers appeared on the
[3:01] street with their uniforms and berets
[3:04] for the first time in 2 years even
[3:06] though no one is paying them. Instead of
[3:09] guns, they used branches to control the
[3:12] crowds.
[3:13] Early this afternoon, Marine Lieutenant
[3:15] General Robert Johnston, the commander
[3:17] of US troops in Operation Restore Hope,
[3:20] arrived here in Mogadishu. He said he is
[3:22] impressed with the operation so far and
[3:24] the rules of engagement that allow
[3:26] Marines to protect themselves. Later at
[3:29] a brief news conference with Johnston,
[3:31] US special envoy Robert Oakley announced
[3:33] an unprecedented diplomatic effort to
[3:36] solve Somalia's long-term problems.
[3:39] >> At 2:00 today, the two principal Somali
[3:43] Ali Madiid each announced on their own
[3:45] radio that they have agreed to meet
[3:49] together for the first time. This
[3:51] meeting will take place tomorrow at the
[3:52] United States embassy.
[3:55] question is will that meeting come in
[3:57] time to help the people in the Somalian
[3:59] countryside. There has been intense
[4:01] fighting in the area of BOA which is
[4:03] northwest of the city here. We
[4:05] understand that lutters attacked the the
[4:08] international Red Cross compound there
[4:10] last night. They roughed up some of the
[4:12] workers there and looted some of their
[4:14] supplies. Care is also reporting an
[4:16] attack on their warehouse. The relief
[4:18] agencies today are quite upset. They are
[4:21] saying that the Marines have to come in
[4:23] immediately or they will be forced to
[4:24] evacuate all of their workers. And some
[4:26] are saying that they will go ahead and
[4:28] evacuate their workers today. That of
[4:30] course is putting intense pressure on
[4:32] the US Marines because if this violence
[4:35] continues on their watch, it's not
[4:36] looking good for you. Mike
[4:39] >> Linda, I don't know if you can hear me
[4:40] well enough, but if you can, do the
[4:42] Marines have any contingency plans to I
[4:44] guess respond on an asall basis to those
[4:47] kind of situations? I asked that
[4:49] question this morning and they say
[4:52] General Johnson has just gotten into the
[4:54] country. They don't want to speak on
[4:55] that. Johnson himself clearly did not
[4:58] want to take questions in his earlier
[5:00] briefing. Uh that is his contingent of
[5:02] helicopters leaving here right now. He
[5:04] obviously intends to get right to work.
[5:06] Uh it's very clear that they need to do
[5:08] something about this fighting. If the
[5:09] relief workers pull out, people will
[5:11] literally have nothing to eat in those
[5:13] areas.
[5:14] >> All right, Linda, thanks very much.
[5:15] Linda Pato live for us this morning at
[5:16] the airport in Moadishu. Thousands of US
[5:19] troops obviously there now. Thousands
[5:21] more heading to Somalia or will be
[5:22] shortly. Marines from Camp Pendleton out
[5:25] in California got their last minute
[5:26] goodbyes in yesterday before heading out
[5:29] on the long trip to Africa. It takes
[5:31] them 27 hours to get there. That is
[5:34] plenty of time to ponder being away for
[5:36] the holidays. But many of the Marines
[5:37] we've spoken to say it seems to be an
[5:39] appropriate time to go out to try to
[5:40] help save lives. But who will save
[5:43] Bosnia? The fighting there has gotten so
[5:45] bad recently in Sievo that Defense
[5:46] Secretary Dick Cheney is now talking to
[5:49] other NATO officials today about what
[5:50] they might do to try to stop it. The
[5:52] meeting is going on today in Brussels.
[5:54] Yesterday, the UN Security Council told
[5:56] Serbian forces to back off in Sievo or
[5:59] face what the council called further
[6:01] measures. Nothing specified about those
[6:03] further measures. Also overseas, Russia
[6:05] is facing a facing a constitutional
[6:07] crisis of sorts. President Yelson has
[6:10] decided now to try to bypass the
[6:11] hardline Congress and take his economic
[6:13] reform package directly to the people.
[6:16] ABC's John Donan reports.
[6:19] >> After weeks of trying to avoid an
[6:21] all-out showdown with his opponents,
[6:23] Russia's President Boris Yeltson this
[6:25] morning opened fire. Appearing before
[6:27] the Congress of People's Deputies, he
[6:29] all but damned the overwhelmingly anti
[6:31] Yeltson body and announced his
[6:33] intentions to prove the people support
[6:34] Yelten and reform Yelen or the Congress.
[6:38] Then Yeltson left the hall, taking about
[6:40] 200 of its members with him for a
[6:42] meeting in another part of the Kremlin.
[6:44] This morning, he said the Congress has
[6:46] put reforms into serious danger. He
[6:48] claimed that Russia is the target of
[6:50] what he called a creeping coup.
[6:55] Meanwhile, back in the Congress hall, a
[6:57] rumor spread saying that troops under
[6:59] Yeltson's control were moving toward the
[7:01] hall in preparation for a military
[7:03] takeover, touching off such deep concern
[7:05] that three of Yeltson's highest
[7:07] ministers were called in to deny that
[7:09] security forces are in any way involved
[7:12] in this political crisis. This morning's
[7:14] events appear to signal the end of a
[7:16] period of attempted compromise. The pity
[7:18] in this is that few Russians are
[7:20] interested in sparring at the top, much
[7:22] less being drawn into it by means of a
[7:24] referendum. Most Russians just want
[7:26] their leaders to fix what is wrong with
[7:28] this country and to fix it quickly. John
[7:31] Don, ABC News, Moscow. Back in this
[7:34] country, Bill Clinton will name some
[7:36] members of his cabinet later today. The
[7:38] announcement is expected to include the
[7:39] top members of his economic team. One of
[7:41] them apparently will be the Texas
[7:42] Senator Lloyd Benson. He arrived in
[7:44] Little Rock last night. There was strong
[7:46] speculation that he will be named
[7:48] Clinton's Treasury Secretary. Yesterday,
[7:50] Warren Christopher, the man in charge of
[7:52] the Clinton Gore transition team,
[7:53] unveiled new executive branch ethics
[7:56] guidelines. The new rules are aimed at
[7:58] stopping the so-called revolving door.
[7:59] That's where government jobs and private
[8:01] lobbying jobs seem to go back and forth
[8:02] between one another, people occupying
[8:04] one and then the other. Under these new
[8:06] guidelines, top Clinton appointees will
[8:08] not be allowed to lobby their former
[8:09] government colleagues for 5 years after
[8:11] leaving public service. and they will be
[8:13] permanently banned from lobbying on
[8:15] behalf of foreign countries. That is the
[8:18] news till now. It's time to check in
[8:19] with Charlie.
[8:20] >> Thanks very much, Mike. Interesting. We
[8:22] would have thought that new cabinet
[8:23] appointments would be the lead in the
[8:25] news, but now overshadowed by events in
[8:26] the old Yugoslavia, Somalia, Russia,
[8:29] India. Foreign news takes over.
[8:31] >> It uh it's been that way the last couple
[8:32] of years, hasn't it?
[8:33] >> Yeah, it Thanks very much, Mike. It is 8
[8:35] minutes after the hour. We go to Spencer
[8:36] Christian who has the national weather
[8:38] forecast. He this morning is in Jackson,
[8:40] Mississippi. Spencer, looks comfortable
[8:41] there. It is very comfortable here,
[8:43] Charlie, and beautiful, too. I'm in the
[8:44] foyer of the governor's mansion in
[8:46] Jackson, here to kick off the 175th
[8:48] anniversary of statehood for
[8:50] Mississippi. This is the anniversary
[8:52] date, December 10th. And this governor's
[8:54] mansion, by the way, is rather historic
[8:55] as well. It's the second oldest uh
[8:57] continuously inhabited governor's
[8:59] mansion in the country. The first family
[9:01] of Mississippi has lived here since
[9:02] 1842, the oldest in my home state of
[9:05] Virginia. Tell you more about that a
[9:06] little bit later. Right now, let's go to
[9:07] the maps and take a look at today's
[9:08] weather. We've got
[9:09] >> he loved. Has the modern British monarch
[9:11] been so besieged by problems of the
[9:14] heart? Yesterday's announcement that
[9:15] Prince Charles and Princess Diana are
[9:17] separating is making some ask just how
[9:20] long the House of Windsor can withstand
[9:22] all the blows. And yet, it was hardly 11
[9:25] years ago when their picture book
[9:26] wedding seemed like a dream come true.
[9:33] >> It was a fairy tale wedding.
[9:35] >> Just delighted and and happy. I I I'm
[9:38] amazed that she's been brave enough to
[9:41] take me on.
[9:42] >> Shy Dye appeared to be a picture perfect
[9:45] princess. Immensely popular with the
[9:47] public, she produced a royal heir less
[9:49] than a year after the wedding. But as
[9:51] Diana's popularity began to eclipse her
[9:54] husbands, Charles reportedly grew
[9:56] irritated and jealous. In time, their
[9:58] different interests and perhaps their
[10:00] different ages drove them in different
[10:03] directions. Soon, Charles was spending
[10:05] more time with his own circle of
[10:06] friends, including one in particular,
[10:09] Camila Parker BS. The strains in the
[10:12] marriage took their toll on Diana's
[10:13] health. There were rumors of bulimia,
[10:16] and according to one recent book,
[10:18] several suicide attempts. Then in
[10:20] August, a tape was released of a
[10:22] conversation purportedly between Diana
[10:24] and her longtime friend James Gilby.
[10:27] Over the summer, it was reported that
[10:28] Charles and Diana would not divorce, but
[10:31] a disastrous trip to Korea in the fall
[10:33] and recent reports of another love tape.
[10:36] This one between Charles and Camila
[10:38] appear to have been the final blows
[10:40] ending the fairy tale.
[10:42] >> 1992
[10:44] is not a year on which I shall look back
[10:48] with undiluted pleasure.
[10:52] In the words of one of my more
[10:54] sympathetic correspondents,
[10:57] it has turned out to be an annis horrib.
[11:02] >> Well, the streets of London are a buzz
[11:04] and joining us from London for all the
[11:06] latest on the royal separation is
[11:07] journalist Angela Ripen. Well, good
[11:10] morning, Angela.
[11:11] >> Good morning to you, Dana.
[11:12] >> They have a lot to separate as well.
[11:14] Now, where do we go from here? And why
[11:17] at this time have they decided to call
[11:19] it quits? It's been coming for so long.
[11:21] Yes, I think probably that's the key to
[11:23] it. The fact that really since 1985, I
[11:26] mean, as long ago as that, there were
[11:28] rumblings that things were not all well
[11:29] in the House of Windsor. And I think
[11:31] that the press attention and the public
[11:33] attention has built up to absolute fever
[11:35] pitch and boiling point over the last
[11:38] couple of years. And really, everybody
[11:40] here in Britain knew that there were
[11:41] major troubles in the Windsor marriage,
[11:43] that they were not happy together. I
[11:45] mean, they have never looked so
[11:46] miserable as they have in the last 5 to
[11:48] six months. And so really while there
[11:51] was just the speculation around it
[11:53] actually made it very difficult for both
[11:54] of them to have private lives of their
[11:56] own though even in normal circumstances
[11:58] that is almost an impossibility in these
[12:00] it meant that every single thing that
[12:02] they did was under the spotlight at the
[12:04] end of those long focus lenses. Were
[12:06] they smiling at each other? Were they
[12:07] talking to each other? Where were they
[12:09] going to spend their holidays? And I
[12:10] think probably it all just got too much
[12:12] and they decided that really the best
[12:14] thing was to separate officially and
[12:16] then at least it's all out in the open
[12:17] and they can now go on and live their
[12:19] separate lives while still maintaining
[12:21] their royal positions and their royal
[12:22] duties. Now this is being called a
[12:24] formal separation, not a divorce. But
[12:27] should we read between the lines?
[12:29] >> Oh, I think so. I mean, I don't think
[12:30] you've even got to read between the
[12:31] lines. I think it's there in glaring
[12:33] black and white that there's no question
[12:35] at this stage that what we've got is a
[12:37] separation. But I would imagine that
[12:39] given a couple of years when things will
[12:41] perhaps quieten down and maybe some of
[12:43] the press attention will not be quite at
[12:46] the fever pitch that it is at the moment
[12:47] that we will have an announcement that
[12:49] they'll divorce. There's absolutely no
[12:50] way. Diana is a young woman. She's in
[12:52] her very early 30s. She's not going to
[12:54] want to spend the rest of her life tied
[12:56] to a loveless marriage in which she has
[12:58] no opportunity to have a life of her
[13:00] own. And similarly, the Prince of Wales
[13:02] isn't going to want to do that either. I
[13:04] would not be at all surprised if two
[13:06] years down the line from now, we're
[13:07] talking about the divorce of the Wales.
[13:09] >> Two years, no fun for anyone. Now, if
[13:12] they do divorce, he can still be king.
[13:14] But can she still be queen? And if that
[13:17] is the case, would the public even
[13:19] accept her as queen? It's very
[13:21] interesting because when John Major
[13:22] stood up in the House of Commons
[13:23] yesterday and made the statement and
[13:25] said that this will not affect their
[13:27] constitutional roles, there was a buzz
[13:29] in the House of Commons. Nobody could
[13:31] quite believe what they just heard John
[13:32] Major say. And one does wonder whether
[13:35] or not he actually made that statement.
[13:37] The sort of thing that one says in in
[13:38] the the heat of the moment that is
[13:40] instantly regretted because
[13:41] constitutionalists over here are saying
[13:43] that really there is no reason why as a
[13:47] separated couple she should not be
[13:48] queen. Though there is a historical
[13:49] precedence which says that she won't be.
[13:51] Certainly if they're divorced again
[13:54] there is really no no way in which she
[13:57] could or should be queen. First of all,
[13:59] there's no way that the king of England
[14:00] could possibly be tied to a woman who
[14:02] was not going to be his consort, his
[14:06] support as queen. And clearly, they've
[14:08] not been supportive of each other for a
[14:10] number of years now. But interestingly,
[14:12] yesterday in my own program here in
[14:14] London, we opened the telephone lines to
[14:16] my radio listeners. We took over 2,000
[14:19] calls in under two hours. And the
[14:23] proposition we put was that Diana should
[14:26] be queen even though she is separated
[14:27] from Prince Charles. 88% of my listeners
[14:31] said no way. And what they are saying
[14:33] quite clearly is we love you Diana. We
[14:36] respect you. But if you don't want to be
[14:38] the wife of Prince Charles, there's no
[14:40] way you can be our queen.
[14:41] >> Well, the story continues. Angela Ripen,
[14:43] thank you for joining us from London.
[14:45] >> Pleasure.
[14:45] >> It's 16 after the hour. Former President
[14:47] [music] Jimmy Carter, a champion of
[14:49] people in need when Good Morning America
[14:51] continues.
[14:58] 19 [music] past the hour. Later today in
[15:00] Washington, former President Jimmy
[15:01] Carter will present the 7th annual
[15:03] Carter Manil Human Rights Prize, a
[15:05] $100,000 award that recognizes
[15:07] individuals and organizations
[15:09] contributing to the cause of human
[15:10] rights. And we're pleased that President
[15:12] Carter could stop by first to chat a
[15:13] bit. Mr. President, good to have you
[15:14] with us.
[15:15] >> Thank you, Charlie. Good to be with you.
[15:16] >> I want to start, we'll get to the prize
[15:18] in a moment. Want to start with Somalia.
[15:19] I had read that you were opposed to
[15:22] military intervention. Now the troops
[15:23] are in. Still opposed?
[15:25] >> No, I haven't been opposed to it. I I
[15:26] just lamented the fact that it was
[15:28] necessary. Um early this year in
[15:30] January, there was an effort made to
[15:32] appropriate $5 million to provide some
[15:34] humanitarian aid to Somalia and that was
[15:37] ignored or voted down. And the fact that
[15:40] we have Somalia and Mozambique and
[15:43] Liberia and Angola and Western Sahara
[15:46] and other countries in Africa in just as
[15:49] bad a shape and it takes a a UN Security
[15:52] Council meeting and enormous expenditure
[15:55] of funds, maybe more than a billion
[15:56] dollars to deliver food is just an
[16:00] unnecessary tragedy that can be
[16:01] prevented with early action to promote
[16:04] human rights and some sort of peaceful
[16:06] settlement of the numerous civil wars.
[16:09] That's what I deploy.
[16:09] >> So, what kind of precedent do you see
[16:11] here? If we've done it here, do we have
[16:12] to do it elsewhere? Can we distinguish
[16:14] this from Yugoslavia, etc., etc.?
[16:17] >> I don't think so. I I would like to see
[16:19] um a long overdue interession in
[16:23] Yugoslavia at least to defend Bosnia,
[16:25] Bosnians against the Serbs. uh but I
[16:29] think the leadership ought to come
[16:30] through the United Nations but lead but
[16:32] from the European community with our
[16:34] joining in not with the United States in
[16:36] the forefront as it has been in the
[16:38] Persian Gulf War and uh and in Somalia.
[16:41] The fact is that the UN is become
[16:43] increasingly effective since the Soviet
[16:46] Union fragmented and and began and
[16:48] stopped blocking every action. And now I
[16:50] [clears throat] would like to see a a
[16:51] more routine opportunity for the
[16:54] secretary general to move quite early in
[16:57] these uh obvious situations in Africa
[17:00] and the third world primarily that are
[17:02] easily detected early enough to do
[17:04] something with a very minimal
[17:06] expenditure of funds. All of these in
[17:08] sort of a broad case involve human
[17:10] rights situations. You have given these
[17:13] Carter Manil prizes for a number of
[17:14] years now and they've usually gone to
[17:15] international groups. I'm interested
[17:17] you're giving it to American groups this
[17:19] time. Well, we've given the award to Sri
[17:22] Lankans to uh is to Jews and and
[17:26] Palestinians [clears throat] in uh in
[17:29] Israel in occupied territories to the
[17:31] Culu family in South Africa to
[17:33] Guatemalans to Chileians uh to to those
[17:36] refugees from the Soviet Union this time
[17:39] particularly because it's necessary for
[17:42] all of us to recognize [clears throat]
[17:44] that it's not just other people who uh
[17:46] violate human rights or ignore them. uh
[17:49] we decided to uh concentrate on our own
[17:51] country. One reason obviously is that
[17:54] it's the 500th anniversary of Columbus
[17:56] discovery. We also don't believe that
[17:59] it's right to blame Christopher Chris
[18:01] Christopher Columbus for the problems
[18:03] concerning Haitian refugees and American
[18:05] Indians and others in our own nation. So
[18:08] this is why we decided to give it to
[18:09] these two outstanding organizations who
[18:11] for 12 years in one case, 22 years in
[18:14] the other have tried to defend the
[18:15] rights of people in our country. uh
[18:18] quite often in a very frustrating and
[18:20] unsupported way.
[18:21] >> You you should mention very quickly in
[18:22] the 20 seconds we have left the two
[18:23] groups that are getting it because it's
[18:25] the Haitian Refugee Center and the
[18:28] >> and the Defense Fund for American
[18:30] Indians. [music] Those two. Yes.
[18:32] >> Very worthy recipients to split that
[18:33] prize. Mr. President, good to have you
[18:35] here. Thanks for coming. It's a
[18:36] pleasure.
[18:36] >> 20