Good Morning America (ABC) - 1992-12-10 (partial)

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[0:00] 11 years after their fairy tale wedding,

[0:02] Charles and [music] I agree to lead

[0:05] separate lives.

[0:07] [music]

[0:11] And good morning, America. I'm Charles

[0:12] Gibson.

[0:13] >> And I'm Dana [music] King. And for Joan

[0:14] London, it's Thursday, December 10th.

[0:17] You know, some say it was bound to

[0:18] happen. After years of rumor, innuendo,

[0:20] [music] and denial, the Prince and

[0:22] Princess of Wales, Charles and Diana,

[0:25] have reached an agreement to end their

[0:26] unhappy marriage. It's a formal

[0:28] separation [music] which would allow him

[0:30] to still be king, she could still be

[0:32] king queen. But why in this day and age

[0:35] when the monarch is just a figurehead

[0:36] does their split cause national concern

[0:38] in Britain? We're going to ask a leading

[0:40] British broadcaster. But also this

[0:42] morning, joining us from far away is

[0:44] Spencer Christian who's in Jackson,

[0:46] Mississippi this morning. Good morning.

[0:48] >> Good morning, Dana. I'm in Jackson to

[0:50] help celebrate the 175th anniversary of

[0:52] Mississippi statehood. Also weatherwise,

[0:55] a major rain and snowstorm is preparing

[0:56] to hit the northeast and mid-Atlantic

[0:58] states. I'll have details coming up in

[1:00] this half hour. Charlie.

[1:02] >> All right, thanks very much, Spencer.

[1:03] Dana King in for Joan this morning. And

[1:05] we should mention, if you don't already

[1:06] know, haven't read it in your local

[1:07] newspapers, we're going to be starting a

[1:09] Sunday edition.

[1:09] >> That's right.

[1:10] >> of Good Morning America,

[1:11] >> January 3rd, bright and early, 8:00.

[1:14] >> And the whole show's already ready to

[1:15] go, right?

[1:15] >> Oh, yeah. All written down, memorized.

[1:18] >> Anyway, Dana will be here with Bill

[1:20] Ritter to do that and look forward to

[1:21] that starting off. Also this morning,

[1:23] we're going to check in on events in

[1:24] Somalia, of course, with Denise

[1:26] Richardson. He'll be joining us from the

[1:27] capital, Moadishu. Also this morning

[1:29] with us, a man who has dedicated himself

[1:30] to the urgent needs of the developing

[1:32] world, former President Jimmy Carter.

[1:34] But first, let's go to the news. Mike

[1:35] Schneider standing by with the latest.

[1:37] Mike,

[1:37] >> thank you, Charlie. Good morning,

[1:38] everybody. You probably think of Somalia

[1:40] as a dry, parched kind of land, but this

[1:42] morning in Moadishu, it is raining. It's

[1:44] been raining for a while. It's been

[1:45] raining very hard, and there are

[1:47] flooding conditions there. The streets

[1:48] are very muddy. It turning out to be the

[1:51] biggest problem of day two of this

[1:53] operation restore hope that has been

[1:55] mounted now by US forces and by the

[1:57] French for that matter as well. They're

[1:58] still trying to get the Somalian capital

[2:00] totally under their control. And we get

[2:02] details on their efforts from ABC's

[2:04] Linda Patillo.

[2:07] On the streets of Moadishu this morning,

[2:09] French legionnaires man checkpoints

[2:11] looking for weapons. US Marines

[2:14] displayed their firepower in the center

[2:16] of town. And together, they searched the

[2:19] area surrounding the headquarters of one

[2:21] of the city's most powerful warlords.

[2:24] Just one day after they arrived, the UN

[2:27] forces appear determined to rid

[2:29] Mogadishu of the guns that have held the

[2:31] city in terror. It is noticeably calmer.

[2:34] >> Everything is coming back to normal.

[2:37] Mlush is back to life. That's what we

[2:40] feel right now

[2:42] >> at the city market. The supply of stolen

[2:44] relief food is drying up and few people

[2:47] are chewing the narcotic leaf cot which

[2:50] often contributed to the violence here

[2:52] because the planes that bring it from

[2:53] Kenya have been unable to land.

[2:57] There are other signs of change. Former

[2:59] Somali police officers appeared on the

[3:01] street with their uniforms and berets

[3:04] for the first time in 2 years even

[3:06] though no one is paying them. Instead of

[3:09] guns, they used branches to control the

[3:12] crowds.

[3:13] Early this afternoon, Marine Lieutenant

[3:15] General Robert Johnston, the commander

[3:17] of US troops in Operation Restore Hope,

[3:20] arrived here in Mogadishu. He said he is

[3:22] impressed with the operation so far and

[3:24] the rules of engagement that allow

[3:26] Marines to protect themselves. Later at

[3:29] a brief news conference with Johnston,

[3:31] US special envoy Robert Oakley announced

[3:33] an unprecedented diplomatic effort to

[3:36] solve Somalia's long-term problems.

[3:39] >> At 2:00 today, the two principal Somali

[3:43] Ali Madiid each announced on their own

[3:45] radio that they have agreed to meet

[3:49] together for the first time. This

[3:51] meeting will take place tomorrow at the

[3:52] United States embassy.

[3:55] question is will that meeting come in

[3:57] time to help the people in the Somalian

[3:59] countryside. There has been intense

[4:01] fighting in the area of BOA which is

[4:03] northwest of the city here. We

[4:05] understand that lutters attacked the the

[4:08] international Red Cross compound there

[4:10] last night. They roughed up some of the

[4:12] workers there and looted some of their

[4:14] supplies. Care is also reporting an

[4:16] attack on their warehouse. The relief

[4:18] agencies today are quite upset. They are

[4:21] saying that the Marines have to come in

[4:23] immediately or they will be forced to

[4:24] evacuate all of their workers. And some

[4:26] are saying that they will go ahead and

[4:28] evacuate their workers today. That of

[4:30] course is putting intense pressure on

[4:32] the US Marines because if this violence

[4:35] continues on their watch, it's not

[4:36] looking good for you. Mike

[4:39] >> Linda, I don't know if you can hear me

[4:40] well enough, but if you can, do the

[4:42] Marines have any contingency plans to I

[4:44] guess respond on an asall basis to those

[4:47] kind of situations? I asked that

[4:49] question this morning and they say

[4:52] General Johnson has just gotten into the

[4:54] country. They don't want to speak on

[4:55] that. Johnson himself clearly did not

[4:58] want to take questions in his earlier

[5:00] briefing. Uh that is his contingent of

[5:02] helicopters leaving here right now. He

[5:04] obviously intends to get right to work.

[5:06] Uh it's very clear that they need to do

[5:08] something about this fighting. If the

[5:09] relief workers pull out, people will

[5:11] literally have nothing to eat in those

[5:13] areas.

[5:14] >> All right, Linda, thanks very much.

[5:15] Linda Pato live for us this morning at

[5:16] the airport in Moadishu. Thousands of US

[5:19] troops obviously there now. Thousands

[5:21] more heading to Somalia or will be

[5:22] shortly. Marines from Camp Pendleton out

[5:25] in California got their last minute

[5:26] goodbyes in yesterday before heading out

[5:29] on the long trip to Africa. It takes

[5:31] them 27 hours to get there. That is

[5:34] plenty of time to ponder being away for

[5:36] the holidays. But many of the Marines

[5:37] we've spoken to say it seems to be an

[5:39] appropriate time to go out to try to

[5:40] help save lives. But who will save

[5:43] Bosnia? The fighting there has gotten so

[5:45] bad recently in Sievo that Defense

[5:46] Secretary Dick Cheney is now talking to

[5:49] other NATO officials today about what

[5:50] they might do to try to stop it. The

[5:52] meeting is going on today in Brussels.

[5:54] Yesterday, the UN Security Council told

[5:56] Serbian forces to back off in Sievo or

[5:59] face what the council called further

[6:01] measures. Nothing specified about those

[6:03] further measures. Also overseas, Russia

[6:05] is facing a facing a constitutional

[6:07] crisis of sorts. President Yelson has

[6:10] decided now to try to bypass the

[6:11] hardline Congress and take his economic

[6:13] reform package directly to the people.

[6:16] ABC's John Donan reports.

[6:19] >> After weeks of trying to avoid an

[6:21] all-out showdown with his opponents,

[6:23] Russia's President Boris Yeltson this

[6:25] morning opened fire. Appearing before

[6:27] the Congress of People's Deputies, he

[6:29] all but damned the overwhelmingly anti

[6:31] Yeltson body and announced his

[6:33] intentions to prove the people support

[6:34] Yelten and reform Yelen or the Congress.

[6:38] Then Yeltson left the hall, taking about

[6:40] 200 of its members with him for a

[6:42] meeting in another part of the Kremlin.

[6:44] This morning, he said the Congress has

[6:46] put reforms into serious danger. He

[6:48] claimed that Russia is the target of

[6:50] what he called a creeping coup.

[6:55] Meanwhile, back in the Congress hall, a

[6:57] rumor spread saying that troops under

[6:59] Yeltson's control were moving toward the

[7:01] hall in preparation for a military

[7:03] takeover, touching off such deep concern

[7:05] that three of Yeltson's highest

[7:07] ministers were called in to deny that

[7:09] security forces are in any way involved

[7:12] in this political crisis. This morning's

[7:14] events appear to signal the end of a

[7:16] period of attempted compromise. The pity

[7:18] in this is that few Russians are

[7:20] interested in sparring at the top, much

[7:22] less being drawn into it by means of a

[7:24] referendum. Most Russians just want

[7:26] their leaders to fix what is wrong with

[7:28] this country and to fix it quickly. John

[7:31] Don, ABC News, Moscow. Back in this

[7:34] country, Bill Clinton will name some

[7:36] members of his cabinet later today. The

[7:38] announcement is expected to include the

[7:39] top members of his economic team. One of

[7:41] them apparently will be the Texas

[7:42] Senator Lloyd Benson. He arrived in

[7:44] Little Rock last night. There was strong

[7:46] speculation that he will be named

[7:48] Clinton's Treasury Secretary. Yesterday,

[7:50] Warren Christopher, the man in charge of

[7:52] the Clinton Gore transition team,

[7:53] unveiled new executive branch ethics

[7:56] guidelines. The new rules are aimed at

[7:58] stopping the so-called revolving door.

[7:59] That's where government jobs and private

[8:01] lobbying jobs seem to go back and forth

[8:02] between one another, people occupying

[8:04] one and then the other. Under these new

[8:06] guidelines, top Clinton appointees will

[8:08] not be allowed to lobby their former

[8:09] government colleagues for 5 years after

[8:11] leaving public service. and they will be

[8:13] permanently banned from lobbying on

[8:15] behalf of foreign countries. That is the

[8:18] news till now. It's time to check in

[8:19] with Charlie.

[8:20] >> Thanks very much, Mike. Interesting. We

[8:22] would have thought that new cabinet

[8:23] appointments would be the lead in the

[8:25] news, but now overshadowed by events in

[8:26] the old Yugoslavia, Somalia, Russia,

[8:29] India. Foreign news takes over.

[8:31] >> It uh it's been that way the last couple

[8:32] of years, hasn't it?

[8:33] >> Yeah, it Thanks very much, Mike. It is 8

[8:35] minutes after the hour. We go to Spencer

[8:36] Christian who has the national weather

[8:38] forecast. He this morning is in Jackson,

[8:40] Mississippi. Spencer, looks comfortable

[8:41] there. It is very comfortable here,

[8:43] Charlie, and beautiful, too. I'm in the

[8:44] foyer of the governor's mansion in

[8:46] Jackson, here to kick off the 175th

[8:48] anniversary of statehood for

[8:50] Mississippi. This is the anniversary

[8:52] date, December 10th. And this governor's

[8:54] mansion, by the way, is rather historic

[8:55] as well. It's the second oldest uh

[8:57] continuously inhabited governor's

[8:59] mansion in the country. The first family

[9:01] of Mississippi has lived here since

[9:02] 1842, the oldest in my home state of

[9:05] Virginia. Tell you more about that a

[9:06] little bit later. Right now, let's go to

[9:07] the maps and take a look at today's

[9:08] weather. We've got

[9:09] >> he loved. Has the modern British monarch

[9:11] been so besieged by problems of the

[9:14] heart? Yesterday's announcement that

[9:15] Prince Charles and Princess Diana are

[9:17] separating is making some ask just how

[9:20] long the House of Windsor can withstand

[9:22] all the blows. And yet, it was hardly 11

[9:25] years ago when their picture book

[9:26] wedding seemed like a dream come true.

[9:33] >> It was a fairy tale wedding.

[9:35] >> Just delighted and and happy. I I I'm

[9:38] amazed that she's been brave enough to

[9:41] take me on.

[9:42] >> Shy Dye appeared to be a picture perfect

[9:45] princess. Immensely popular with the

[9:47] public, she produced a royal heir less

[9:49] than a year after the wedding. But as

[9:51] Diana's popularity began to eclipse her

[9:54] husbands, Charles reportedly grew

[9:56] irritated and jealous. In time, their

[9:58] different interests and perhaps their

[10:00] different ages drove them in different

[10:03] directions. Soon, Charles was spending

[10:05] more time with his own circle of

[10:06] friends, including one in particular,

[10:09] Camila Parker BS. The strains in the

[10:12] marriage took their toll on Diana's

[10:13] health. There were rumors of bulimia,

[10:16] and according to one recent book,

[10:18] several suicide attempts. Then in

[10:20] August, a tape was released of a

[10:22] conversation purportedly between Diana

[10:24] and her longtime friend James Gilby.

[10:27] Over the summer, it was reported that

[10:28] Charles and Diana would not divorce, but

[10:31] a disastrous trip to Korea in the fall

[10:33] and recent reports of another love tape.

[10:36] This one between Charles and Camila

[10:38] appear to have been the final blows

[10:40] ending the fairy tale.

[10:42] >> 1992

[10:44] is not a year on which I shall look back

[10:48] with undiluted pleasure.

[10:52] In the words of one of my more

[10:54] sympathetic correspondents,

[10:57] it has turned out to be an annis horrib.

[11:02] >> Well, the streets of London are a buzz

[11:04] and joining us from London for all the

[11:06] latest on the royal separation is

[11:07] journalist Angela Ripen. Well, good

[11:10] morning, Angela.

[11:11] >> Good morning to you, Dana.

[11:12] >> They have a lot to separate as well.

[11:14] Now, where do we go from here? And why

[11:17] at this time have they decided to call

[11:19] it quits? It's been coming for so long.

[11:21] Yes, I think probably that's the key to

[11:23] it. The fact that really since 1985, I

[11:26] mean, as long ago as that, there were

[11:28] rumblings that things were not all well

[11:29] in the House of Windsor. And I think

[11:31] that the press attention and the public

[11:33] attention has built up to absolute fever

[11:35] pitch and boiling point over the last

[11:38] couple of years. And really, everybody

[11:40] here in Britain knew that there were

[11:41] major troubles in the Windsor marriage,

[11:43] that they were not happy together. I

[11:45] mean, they have never looked so

[11:46] miserable as they have in the last 5 to

[11:48] six months. And so really while there

[11:51] was just the speculation around it

[11:53] actually made it very difficult for both

[11:54] of them to have private lives of their

[11:56] own though even in normal circumstances

[11:58] that is almost an impossibility in these

[12:00] it meant that every single thing that

[12:02] they did was under the spotlight at the

[12:04] end of those long focus lenses. Were

[12:06] they smiling at each other? Were they

[12:07] talking to each other? Where were they

[12:09] going to spend their holidays? And I

[12:10] think probably it all just got too much

[12:12] and they decided that really the best

[12:14] thing was to separate officially and

[12:16] then at least it's all out in the open

[12:17] and they can now go on and live their

[12:19] separate lives while still maintaining

[12:21] their royal positions and their royal

[12:22] duties. Now this is being called a

[12:24] formal separation, not a divorce. But

[12:27] should we read between the lines?

[12:29] >> Oh, I think so. I mean, I don't think

[12:30] you've even got to read between the

[12:31] lines. I think it's there in glaring

[12:33] black and white that there's no question

[12:35] at this stage that what we've got is a

[12:37] separation. But I would imagine that

[12:39] given a couple of years when things will

[12:41] perhaps quieten down and maybe some of

[12:43] the press attention will not be quite at

[12:46] the fever pitch that it is at the moment

[12:47] that we will have an announcement that

[12:49] they'll divorce. There's absolutely no

[12:50] way. Diana is a young woman. She's in

[12:52] her very early 30s. She's not going to

[12:54] want to spend the rest of her life tied

[12:56] to a loveless marriage in which she has

[12:58] no opportunity to have a life of her

[13:00] own. And similarly, the Prince of Wales

[13:02] isn't going to want to do that either. I

[13:04] would not be at all surprised if two

[13:06] years down the line from now, we're

[13:07] talking about the divorce of the Wales.

[13:09] >> Two years, no fun for anyone. Now, if

[13:12] they do divorce, he can still be king.

[13:14] But can she still be queen? And if that

[13:17] is the case, would the public even

[13:19] accept her as queen? It's very

[13:21] interesting because when John Major

[13:22] stood up in the House of Commons

[13:23] yesterday and made the statement and

[13:25] said that this will not affect their

[13:27] constitutional roles, there was a buzz

[13:29] in the House of Commons. Nobody could

[13:31] quite believe what they just heard John

[13:32] Major say. And one does wonder whether

[13:35] or not he actually made that statement.

[13:37] The sort of thing that one says in in

[13:38] the the heat of the moment that is

[13:40] instantly regretted because

[13:41] constitutionalists over here are saying

[13:43] that really there is no reason why as a

[13:47] separated couple she should not be

[13:48] queen. Though there is a historical

[13:49] precedence which says that she won't be.

[13:51] Certainly if they're divorced again

[13:54] there is really no no way in which she

[13:57] could or should be queen. First of all,

[13:59] there's no way that the king of England

[14:00] could possibly be tied to a woman who

[14:02] was not going to be his consort, his

[14:06] support as queen. And clearly, they've

[14:08] not been supportive of each other for a

[14:10] number of years now. But interestingly,

[14:12] yesterday in my own program here in

[14:14] London, we opened the telephone lines to

[14:16] my radio listeners. We took over 2,000

[14:19] calls in under two hours. And the

[14:23] proposition we put was that Diana should

[14:26] be queen even though she is separated

[14:27] from Prince Charles. 88% of my listeners

[14:31] said no way. And what they are saying

[14:33] quite clearly is we love you Diana. We

[14:36] respect you. But if you don't want to be

[14:38] the wife of Prince Charles, there's no

[14:40] way you can be our queen.

[14:41] >> Well, the story continues. Angela Ripen,

[14:43] thank you for joining us from London.

[14:45] >> Pleasure.

[14:45] >> It's 16 after the hour. Former President

[14:47] [music] Jimmy Carter, a champion of

[14:49] people in need when Good Morning America

[14:51] continues.

[14:58] 19 [music] past the hour. Later today in

[15:00] Washington, former President Jimmy

[15:01] Carter will present the 7th annual

[15:03] Carter Manil Human Rights Prize, a

[15:05] $100,000 award that recognizes

[15:07] individuals and organizations

[15:09] contributing to the cause of human

[15:10] rights. And we're pleased that President

[15:12] Carter could stop by first to chat a

[15:13] bit. Mr. President, good to have you

[15:14] with us.

[15:15] >> Thank you, Charlie. Good to be with you.

[15:16] >> I want to start, we'll get to the prize

[15:18] in a moment. Want to start with Somalia.

[15:19] I had read that you were opposed to

[15:22] military intervention. Now the troops

[15:23] are in. Still opposed?

[15:25] >> No, I haven't been opposed to it. I I

[15:26] just lamented the fact that it was

[15:28] necessary. Um early this year in

[15:30] January, there was an effort made to

[15:32] appropriate $5 million to provide some

[15:34] humanitarian aid to Somalia and that was

[15:37] ignored or voted down. And the fact that

[15:40] we have Somalia and Mozambique and

[15:43] Liberia and Angola and Western Sahara

[15:46] and other countries in Africa in just as

[15:49] bad a shape and it takes a a UN Security

[15:52] Council meeting and enormous expenditure

[15:55] of funds, maybe more than a billion

[15:56] dollars to deliver food is just an

[16:00] unnecessary tragedy that can be

[16:01] prevented with early action to promote

[16:04] human rights and some sort of peaceful

[16:06] settlement of the numerous civil wars.

[16:09] That's what I deploy.

[16:09] >> So, what kind of precedent do you see

[16:11] here? If we've done it here, do we have

[16:12] to do it elsewhere? Can we distinguish

[16:14] this from Yugoslavia, etc., etc.?

[16:17] >> I don't think so. I I would like to see

[16:19] um a long overdue interession in

[16:23] Yugoslavia at least to defend Bosnia,

[16:25] Bosnians against the Serbs. uh but I

[16:29] think the leadership ought to come

[16:30] through the United Nations but lead but

[16:32] from the European community with our

[16:34] joining in not with the United States in

[16:36] the forefront as it has been in the

[16:38] Persian Gulf War and uh and in Somalia.

[16:41] The fact is that the UN is become

[16:43] increasingly effective since the Soviet

[16:46] Union fragmented and and began and

[16:48] stopped blocking every action. And now I

[16:50] [clears throat] would like to see a a

[16:51] more routine opportunity for the

[16:54] secretary general to move quite early in

[16:57] these uh obvious situations in Africa

[17:00] and the third world primarily that are

[17:02] easily detected early enough to do

[17:04] something with a very minimal

[17:06] expenditure of funds. All of these in

[17:08] sort of a broad case involve human

[17:10] rights situations. You have given these

[17:13] Carter Manil prizes for a number of

[17:14] years now and they've usually gone to

[17:15] international groups. I'm interested

[17:17] you're giving it to American groups this

[17:19] time. Well, we've given the award to Sri

[17:22] Lankans to uh is to Jews and and

[17:26] Palestinians [clears throat] in uh in

[17:29] Israel in occupied territories to the

[17:31] Culu family in South Africa to

[17:33] Guatemalans to Chileians uh to to those

[17:36] refugees from the Soviet Union this time

[17:39] particularly because it's necessary for

[17:42] all of us to recognize [clears throat]

[17:44] that it's not just other people who uh

[17:46] violate human rights or ignore them. uh

[17:49] we decided to uh concentrate on our own

[17:51] country. One reason obviously is that

[17:54] it's the 500th anniversary of Columbus

[17:56] discovery. We also don't believe that

[17:59] it's right to blame Christopher Chris

[18:01] Christopher Columbus for the problems

[18:03] concerning Haitian refugees and American

[18:05] Indians and others in our own nation. So

[18:08] this is why we decided to give it to

[18:09] these two outstanding organizations who

[18:11] for 12 years in one case, 22 years in

[18:14] the other have tried to defend the

[18:15] rights of people in our country. uh

[18:18] quite often in a very frustrating and

[18:20] unsupported way.

[18:21] >> You you should mention very quickly in

[18:22] the 20 seconds we have left the two

[18:23] groups that are getting it because it's

[18:25] the Haitian Refugee Center and the

[18:28] >> and the Defense Fund for American

[18:30] Indians. [music] Those two. Yes.

[18:32] >> Very worthy recipients to split that

[18:33] prize. Mr. President, good to have you

[18:35] here. Thanks for coming. It's a

[18:36] pleasure.

[18:36] >> 20