This Week (ABC) - 2009-05-03
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[0:27] Good morning and welcome to this week.
[0:30] Justice Souter retires. I find the the
[0:33] workload of what I do sufficiently great
[0:35] that I undergo a sort of annual
[0:38] intellectual lobotomy. I will seek
[0:40] someone who understands that justice
[0:42] isn't about some abstract legal theory.
[0:45] >> As President Obama prepares to make his
[0:47] mark on the Supreme Court, our
[0:49] headliners are the senators who must
[0:50] ratify his choice. The chairman of the
[0:52] Judiciary Committee, Patrick Leahy, and
[0:54] its longest-serving Republican, Orrin
[0:56] Hatch.
[0:57] >> [snorts]
[0:57] >> Then, swine flu continues to spread. Has
[1:00] the worst passed, or is it still to
[1:02] come? We'll ask the federal team in
[1:04] charge.
[1:05] And Senator Specter switches sides. I've
[1:08] decided to be a candidate for the
[1:10] Democratic primary. What will it mean
[1:12] for Obama's agenda and the GOP's future?
[1:15] That in the rest of the week's politics
[1:16] on our round table with George Will,
[1:18] Gwen Ifill of PBS, Jerry Seib of The
[1:21] Wall Street Journal, and Paul Krugman of
[1:23] The New York Times. And, as always, the
[1:27] Sunday funnies. SEE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ON
[1:28] THE NEWS WALKING AROUND WEARING THOSE
[1:30] SURGICAL MASKS, HUH? SO, LIKE MICHAEL
[1:32] JACKSON, NOT SO CRAZY, HUH? YEAH.
[1:36] >> [music]
[1:36] >> FROM THE HEART OF THE nation's capital,
[1:39] This Week with ABC News Chief Washington
[1:42] Correspondent, George Stephanopoulos,
[1:45] live from the Newseum on Pennsylvania
[1:48] Avenue.
[1:51] By Friday, David Souter's wish to quit
[1:53] the Supreme Court had become
[1:54] Washington's worst-kept secret. But,
[1:56] President Obama stage managed a bit of a
[1:58] surprise that afternoon when he crashed
[2:00] the daily briefing.
[2:02] There's a job to do, you got to do it
[2:04] yourself. After thanking Justice Souter
[2:06] for his service, the president described
[2:07] his ideal justice. A person of
[2:09] intelligence, excellence, integrity, and
[2:12] empathy.
[2:13] >> I will seek someone who understands that
[2:15] justice isn't about some abstract legal
[2:18] theory or footnote in a casebook.
[2:21] It is also about how our laws affect the
[2:23] daily realities of people's lives,
[2:25] whether they can make a living
[2:27] and care for their families, whether
[2:29] they feel safe in their homes, and
[2:31] welcome in their own nation. Which
[2:33] brings us to our headliners, Senator
[2:34] Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the
[2:35] Senate Judiciary Committee, and its
[2:37] former chairman, Republican Orrin Hatch.
[2:39] Gentlemen, welcome to you both. And and
[2:40] and and Senator Hatch, let me begin with
[2:42] you. What did you make of this criteria
[2:44] the president laid out? Well,
[2:46] it's a matter of great concern. If he's
[2:48] saying that
[2:49] he wants to pick people who will take
[2:50] sides, he's also said that a judge has
[2:53] to be a person with empathy. What does
[2:54] that mean? Usually, that's a code word
[2:56] for an activist judge. If but he also
[2:59] said that uh
[3:01] that
[3:02] he's going to select judges on the basis
[3:04] of their personal politics, their
[3:05] personal feelings, their personal
[3:07] preferences. Now, you know, that that
[3:10] those are all code words for an activist
[3:12] judge who's going to
[3:14] you know, be partisan on the bench. He
[3:15] did also say he wants someone who
[3:17] respects the rule of law and the limits
[3:18] of the judicial role. So, it sounds like
[3:20] you're saying that you think there's a
[3:21] tension between following the law and
[3:24] following your feelings when you're a
[3:25] judge.
[3:26] >> Well, I don't think there should be a
[3:27] litmus test or any set of litmus tests
[3:30] when you pick people for the high court.
[3:32] And I I suspect that the president
[3:35] understands that. He's a He's a very
[3:37] bright guy, charismatic,
[3:39] intelligent, likable.
[3:41] And I'm hoping that he'll pick somebody
[3:43] of great dimension. Now, we all know
[3:44] he's going to pick a more liberal
[3:46] justice.
[3:47] Um
[3:48] their side will
[3:50] make sure that it's a pro-abortion
[3:52] justice.
[3:53] Uh don't think anybody has any illusions
[3:55] about that. The question is are they
[3:57] qualified?
[3:58] Are they going to be people who will who
[4:00] will
[4:01] be fair to the rich, the poor, the weak,
[4:03] the strong, the the
[4:06] the sickly, disabled and and and yet
[4:10] give justice to those who may not be so
[4:12] strong.
[4:12] >> Leahy, let me bring you in on this
[4:13] because what Senator Hatch is saying
[4:14] there I've heard from a lot of other
[4:16] conservatives. This fear that the
[4:17] president's focus on empathy is a a code
[4:21] for bringing a judicial activist to the
[4:23] court.
[4:24] Well, I I've known President Obama long
[4:27] enough. He doesn't need to use code
[4:28] words. He speaks very plainly and very
[4:31] directly. I think that's why
[4:33] he won such a resounding victory
[4:36] in in November.
[4:38] I talked with President Obama shortly
[4:41] before he did that press conference.
[4:45] And I think I have a pretty good sense.
[4:47] I'm going to be meeting with him when I
[4:49] return to Washington from Vermont. I
[4:53] have a pretty good sense of what he has
[4:55] in mind for
[4:56] a a justice. What I would argue I what I
[5:00] would
[5:00] >> to know that bit. What what what I would
[5:03] argue is you walk in the Supreme Court.
[5:05] Over the doorway there's a great big
[5:07] piece of Vermont marble.
[5:09] And it's [clears throat] engraved on it
[5:11] says equal justice under law. That's
[5:13] what you That's what you want to have.
[5:15] We've had a very activist court. We had
[5:18] an activist court that that
[5:21] made a decision that allowed
[5:23] employers to
[5:26] covertly discriminate against women so
[5:28] they women wouldn't get paid equally. We
[5:31] in the Congress reversed that with a
[5:34] law. In fact, the first law that
[5:35] President Obama signed into law. I think
[5:38] he wants to have somebody who treat
[5:39] people all the same whether they're
[5:41] Republicans or Democrats, men, women,
[5:43] >> Let me let me press on that a little bit
[5:45] Senator Leahy because that have spoken
[5:46] with the president about it. I just want
[5:48] to know a couple of things about that.
[5:49] Uh number one, did you recommend uh any
[5:52] specific candidates uh to the president?
[5:54] And number two, cuz others have not been
[5:55] shy about recommending of potential
[5:57] candidates. Your colleague, Senator
[5:59] Schumer, has said the president should
[6:00] consider highly consider a Latino
[6:03] choice. I think there's a wide
[6:04] expectation throughout Washington that
[6:06] the president will pick a woman. Um is
[6:08] that your understanding? And does
[6:10] President Obama risk a backlash if he
[6:12] doesn't pick a woman?
[6:14] Well, I think one of the reasons why the
[6:16] president and I get along well is that
[6:18] we have conversations you you you don't
[6:20] hear about them. You don't You don't
[6:22] read about them afterward. I will make
[6:24] recommendations some specific
[6:26] recommendations to him. I've also
[6:28] recommended that he
[6:30] uh sit down with both the Republican and
[6:32] Democratic leadership talk about this.
[6:35] Now, ultimately, he's the one who has to
[6:36] make the choice who he wants to
[6:38] nominate. We in the Senate then have to
[6:40] decide whether we will consent to that
[6:42] nomination. But, I think he is eager to
[6:45] seek the advice
[6:46] of senators of both parties.
[6:49] Uh I I think he has some very uh some
[6:52] people that he would like to see the
[6:53] type of people he'd like to see number
[6:56] He was a constitutional law
[6:57] >> I I do remember that. Should it be a
[6:59] woman, Senator?
[7:01] I I I would like to see uh certainly
[7:03] more women on the on the court. Having
[7:06] only one woman on the Supreme Court does
[7:08] not reflect the makeup of the
[7:11] of the United States. I think we should
[7:13] have more women. We should have more
[7:14] minorities. I would like to see more
[7:16] people from outside the uh
[7:20] judicial monastery. Somebody who's had
[7:22] some real life experience, not just as a
[7:25] a judge.
[7:26] >> Let me bring Senator
[7:27] Let me bring Senator Hatch back in on
[7:29] this, because there there a lot of names
[7:30] are being bandied about right now. Three
[7:32] of the most prominent names being
[7:33] mentioned are are two appeals court
[7:35] judges, Sonia Sotomayor. Uh she serves
[7:38] out of New York. Also, Judge Diane Wood,
[7:40] serving out of Chicago, another member
[7:41] of the Appeals Court, and the new
[7:42] Solicitor General, Elena Kagan. And some
[7:45] conservatives have already taken off on
[7:48] these choices. Let me show one, Wendy
[7:49] Long run from the Judicial Confirmation
[7:52] Network says, "Obama can make it even
[7:54] more of a far left judicial activist
[7:56] court for a long time to come if he
[7:58] appoints radicals like Diane Wood, Sonia
[8:01] Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan. A new
[8:03] justice in this mold would just entrench
[8:04] a bad majority for a long time." Do you
[8:07] share that view?
[8:08] Well, I I share the view that he should
[8:10] not appoint radicals to the court, and I
[8:12] share the view that he should appoint
[8:14] somebody who basically will obey the law
[8:17] and not put their own policy preferences
[8:19] into law. And that's what bothers me
[8:21] about some of the comments that the
[8:23] president has made. He's bright enough
[8:24] to know that those comments basically
[8:26] indicate that politics, preferences,
[8:29] personal preferences, and feelings that
[8:32] might take the place in
[8:34] in being being impartial
[8:36] in deciding cases based upon the law and
[8:38] not upon not upon politics.
[8:41] >> were confirmed to their current
[8:42] positions with the support of many
[8:43] Republicans, including you. Are they
[8:45] radicals?
[8:46] I don't think they're radicals, but
[8:48] there's no question that they are on the
[8:50] far left of the spectrum. And
[8:52] to be honest with you, I don't expect
[8:53] the president to pick somebody in the
[8:55] center or on the far right. But
[8:57] you know, it would be it would be a slam
[9:00] dunk if he picked somebody who was who
[9:01] was center left like Souter. Souter
[9:04] Souter became very liberal, but he also
[9:06] stood for a lot of principles.
[9:08] >> said that suggested to President Clinton
[9:10] that he should pick a Justices Breyer
[9:13] and Ginsburg. You wrote about that in
[9:14] your book. Do you have any
[9:15] recommendations for President Obama? No,
[9:17] I'm not going to make any
[9:18] recommendations unless he calls me. If
[9:19] he calls me, I'll be happy to sit down
[9:21] with him. We get along well. I've been
[9:23] out of the White House a number of
[9:24] times. I have a great admiration for him
[9:26] as and his abilities.
[9:28] I hope that he'll pick somebody who
[9:29] will, like I say, not put their own
[9:32] personal predilections into law, but
[9:35] follow the law and do what really
[9:37] what really is right.
[9:38] >> Senator Leahy, let me bring you back in
[9:39] on this. You You heard what what Senator
[9:41] Hatch said there. Meanwhile, on the left
[9:44] of your party, you're hearing a lot of
[9:46] liberals say the president shouldn't pay
[9:48] any attention
[9:49] to to the Republican Party on this pick.
[9:51] He should pick a full-throated
[9:53] liberal, someone who's really going to
[9:55] move
[9:56] the court. One example comes from Nan
[9:59] Nan Aaron of the president of the
[10:00] Alliance for Justice. She says even
[10:02] before Senator Arlen Specter announced
[10:04] he was changing parties and Al Franken's
[10:05] Minnesota victory was clear. Republicans
[10:08] in Congress were losing strength as
[10:09] fewer voters identified with their
[10:10] agenda. They should not be allowed to
[10:12] stand in the way of a nominee who will
[10:15] uphold the Constitution.
[10:18] Do you
[10:19] Do you think the president should follow
[10:20] that course? Probably will have 60 votes
[10:22] soon. Pick someone who can get there on
[10:23] Democratic votes alone.
[10:25] It takes 51 votes to
[10:28] to confirm somebody and I would assume
[10:30] that we we never filibuster justices
[10:35] of the Supreme Court. We don't do it for
[10:37] anybody.
[10:37] >> Justice Alito, didn't you? No.
[10:40] We don't filibuster for
[10:43] for either side. And so we have There's
[10:46] going to be a vote up up or down.
[10:49] I fully expect that. I think the last
[10:51] time there was any kind of a successful
[10:53] filibuster was Abe Fortas and that was a
[10:55] Democratic
[10:56] That was successful but the Democrats
[10:58] did try to filibuster Justice Alito, if
[11:00] I remember correctly, sir.
[11:01] >> There was
[11:03] There was a There was a cursory vote
[11:06] that everybody knew would not
[11:08] would not succeed on the motion to
[11:11] proceed. I mean, now we're getting down
[11:13] into the weeds. The fact is Justice
[11:14] Alito, I did not vote for him.
[11:17] Senator Hatch did. He got both
[11:20] Democratic and Republican votes, just as
[11:23] Chief Justice Roberts, whom I did vote
[11:25] for,
[11:27] got both Democratic and Republican
[11:30] votes. The fact of the matter is we will
[11:31] have an up or down vote and whoever it's
[11:33] going to be and I would hope the
[11:34] president would go with his instincts.
[11:37] Look what he's done with his cabinet.
[11:38] He's had pretty pretty darn good cabinet
[11:41] choices. Uh and I think he's going to
[11:43] make a very good choice here. When you
[11:45] will hear a lot on the far right or the
[11:48] far left who will say who he should or
[11:50] shouldn't uh go with. Remember, a lot of
[11:53] the left-wing groups uh uh picketed
[11:57] actually picketed the Senate building
[11:58] that I'm in
[12:00] against me because I was going to vote
[12:01] for David Souter. They said it'd be
[12:03] terrible, the end of the the end of the
[12:05] world if we uh confirm David Souter.
[12:09] Now, those same groups think David
[12:10] Souter was a great justice. The fact of
[12:13] the matter is that the president will
[12:15] make a good choice just as he has with
[12:17] his cabinet.
[12:18] >> wants this in place by
[12:19] >> we have to vote for it. He He wants this
[12:21] in place by the first Monday in October,
[12:23] as you know. And that would mean that uh
[12:25] getting this done he hopes that the
[12:27] White House hopes by the August recess.
[12:29] Is that possible?
[12:30] Well, one
[12:32] we certainly will have somebody in
[12:34] place. It'd be irresponsible for you to
[12:35] not have somebody in place by the
[12:37] beginning of the
[12:39] um October session. Uh I'll decide when
[12:42] we'll have the hearing on on the person
[12:46] after they've been uh named and after I
[12:49] consulted whoever's maybe weren't to
[12:51] tell me who's going to be the ranking
[12:52] member
[12:52] >> you set me up there, Senator. I want to
[12:54] bring I want to bring you Senator Hatch
[12:55] back in on this.
[12:56] >> with the
[12:59] Republican leadership as well as the
[13:01] Democratic leadership. I will set a date
[13:03] uh for this, but I want to make sure
[13:05] everybody has a chance to see who the
[13:07] president's nominated, they have a
[13:09] chance to see their background, so on.
[13:10] But Orrin, tell me who's going to be
[13:12] leading the Republicans. Go for it,
[13:14] Senator.
[13:14] >> Okay, let me let me just say one other
[13:16] thing. [laughter]
[13:18] Let me say one other thing.
[13:19] >> good question. Yeah, well, we're going
[13:21] to get an answer to it. Well, I'll I'll
[13:22] I'll try to answer that, but what what
[13:23] is interesting here is that the
[13:25] President Obama himself voted against
[13:27] both Roberts and Alito.
[13:30] Now, these are two of the best nominees
[13:31] I've seen in my whole time here, and
[13:32] I've had an influence on everybody
[13:34] except Stevens. And so has my friend
[13:38] Pat.
[13:39] And that worries me a little bit. Pat
[13:40] voted for Roberts. He did He did vote
[13:42] against Alito, and they did
[13:44] want to filibuster Alito. No question
[13:46] about that. And it was in along that
[13:49] vein. Now,
[13:50] I suspect that that
[13:53] Grassley has first choice to be I'm the
[13:55] ranking member on Judiciary. Would you
[13:57] actually have first choice if you seek a
[13:58] waiver? Are you not going to seek the
[13:59] waiver?
[14:00] >> I do not I would not. Of course not. But
[14:02] Grassley has first choice, then Kyl if
[14:04] Grassley stays on Finance. And if Kyl
[14:08] stays in leadership, then Jeff Sessions.
[14:10] So, any of those three could wind up
[14:12] being
[14:12] >> then Senator Sessions to be the ranking
[14:14] member now?
[14:14] >> Well, I don't know. I know that he and
[14:16] Senator Grassley are trying to work out
[14:17] something, and we'll just have to see
[14:19] what happens. But uh
[14:20] But I I suspect you know, any of those
[14:23] three will be just fine.
[14:24] Terrific. Thank you both very much for
[14:26] your time this morning.
[14:27] >> I can work with I can work with any one
[14:28] of those any one of those senators.
[14:30] They're long time long time friends.
[14:32] We'll work out things. We'll
[14:34] >> you make such a rough time Pat all those
[14:36] years?
[14:37] You guys continue this off camera. We're
[14:39] out of time right now. Thank you both
[14:40] very much.
[14:42] >> [laughter]
[14:42] >> And we are going to turn now to the
[14:43] swine flu. It continues to spread, but
[14:46] there are signs that the outbreak is
[14:47] smaller and less severe than first
[14:49] feared. Still, the government is warning
[14:51] against complacency.
[14:53] In the the media, we've been hearing a
[14:55] little bit about we're out of the woods.
[14:57] It looks like this is this is ending.
[14:59] And I want to say that while reports
[15:02] from Mexico are
[15:04] appear to be encouraging, and some are
[15:06] cautiously optimistic, we can't afford
[15:09] to let down our vigilance.
[15:13] Let me bring in the federal team in
[15:14] charge of this effort, Secretary of
[15:16] Health and Human Services Kathleen
[15:17] Sebelius, Homeland Security Secretary
[15:19] Janet Napolitano, and the acting
[15:21] director of the Center for Disease
[15:23] Control, Dr. Richard Besser. And Dr.
[15:25] Besser, let me begin with you. I know
[15:27] you guys don't want to take anything for
[15:29] granted, but a lot of scientists have
[15:31] been looking at this say there are signs
[15:33] that this virus is less potent, less
[15:35] deadly than past pandemics, and that
[15:37] some older Americans especially may have
[15:40] developed an immunity to this. What can
[15:42] you tell us right now? Your latest
[15:44] analysis of this virus. You know, what I
[15:46] can say is that we're seeing encouraging
[15:48] signs, and that's uh that makes us all
[15:51] very happy. What what we do when we we
[15:54] get a virus, we look to see
[15:56] uh does it relate to any other viruses,
[15:58] and then we look for things that are
[16:00] called virulence factors. Those things
[16:02] that in the past have been linked to
[16:04] more severe disease. And what we found
[16:07] is that we're not seeing the factors
[16:08] that were associated with the 1918
[16:11] pandemic. We're not seeing the factors
[16:13] that are were associated with other H1N1
[16:16] viruses. And that's encouraging.
[16:17] >> it's less likely to come back in a real
[16:20] strong way in the fall as the 1918 virus
[16:22] did? We can't say that. Uh every virus
[16:25] is new, and what it will do is new. And
[16:28] so you're you're hitting a a critical
[16:30] point. What will happen during this
[16:32] spring and summer? And I don't think
[16:34] it's time to let our guard down. I think
[16:36] we have to continue in an uncertain
[16:38] situation to be aggressive, and that's
[16:40] what we're doing. Uh Secretary Sebelius,
[16:42] let me bring you in on this. Of course,
[16:43] this leads to the question of a vaccine.
[16:45] Sure. Uh I know researchers are looking
[16:47] at it right now. Are you prepared to say
[16:49] we should move to full-scale production
[16:51] and distribution? What's going on right
[16:53] now, George, are two things
[16:54] simultaneously. Uh we know that seasonal
[16:57] flu year in and year out uh hits
[17:00] millions of Americans. 200,000 people
[17:02] end up in the hospital, and about 36,000
[17:05] people die every year. So, we are
[17:07] ramping up and accelerating the
[17:09] production of seasonal flu vaccine to
[17:11] make sure that we kind of clear the
[17:13] decks. At the same time, one of the
[17:14] first actions taken by the Department of
[17:17] Health and Human Services was to bring
[17:18] together the scientists, the National
[17:20] Institutes of Health,
[17:22] uh the Center for Disease Control, along
[17:24] with the um
[17:26] folks at uh Food and Drug
[17:27] Administration, who have the oversight,
[17:29] with the manufacturers to begin the
[17:32] process to develop a vaccine for H1N1.
[17:35] Uh they've identified a virus, it's
[17:38] being grown and tested as we speak, and
[17:40] ultimately the scientists will tell us
[17:42] whether or not production of that
[17:43] vaccine makes sense.
[17:45] >> And isn't there a trade-off there? I
[17:46] mean, you don't want to switch to
[17:47] production of the H1N1 vaccine cuz that
[17:49] could crowd out the ability to produce
[17:51] the seasonal flu vaccine.
[17:52] >> Well, the good news is we're in the
[17:53] right seasonal time. We can accelerate
[17:56] uh the seasonal flu vaccine, which we're
[17:58] doing right now, to be prepared and
[18:00] ready for uh what we know will hit this
[18:03] fall and winter. At the same time, we
[18:04] are in the stages of of growing the
[18:07] virus, testing it, and we can be ready
[18:09] to do both simultaneously. This isn't an
[18:11] either/or. Secretary Napolitano, the
[18:13] government has given out guidance for
[18:15] the schools uh on what they should be
[18:16] doing. If someone, as I understand it,
[18:18] is infected in a school or there's more
[18:20] than one case in a school, uh the school
[18:22] should close for up to 14 days. But you
[18:25] have not yet given out formal guidance
[18:27] on what offices, factories, and other
[18:29] workplaces should do. What should they
[18:31] be doing?
[18:32] Well, uh again, I think using common
[18:34] sense. Uh obviously schools uh you give
[18:36] guidance on because uh uh
[18:39] that's really a a primary place where
[18:40] disease gets passed one one to the next.
[18:43] Uh but we don't want to shut down the
[18:44] production capacity of the country for
[18:47] flu when that and then that's when
[18:49] that's not necessary. What we have been
[18:50] telling the private sector, we've been
[18:52] having regular uh conference calls,
[18:54] whatever, through the private sector is,
[18:56] "Dust off your plans for how you deal
[18:58] with seasonal flu. What do you do when
[19:00] your absenteeism rate goes up? Uh what
[19:02] do you do for telecommuting, for
[19:04] example? What do you do uh to make sure
[19:06] that if you have to restrict um some
[19:08] production, you you move it to to places
[19:10] that are concentrated in some places as
[19:12] opposed to others. You know, every
[19:13] business every business owner has a
[19:16] different way of handling this. The
[19:18] number one thing is for people who are
[19:21] sick not to go to work.
[19:23] Once they don't go to work, we can begin
[19:25] the process of containing the spread of
[19:26] the virus.
[19:26] >> And and every you have to get the
[19:28] balance right and we've seen the variety
[19:30] of responses to the crisis. In Hong Kong
[19:32] they they closed up quarantined that
[19:34] entire hotel yesterday when there there
[19:37] was one infection. We saw an example
[19:39] just the other day of a plane
[19:41] being grounded. Is that an overreaction?
[19:44] You know, we take our guidance from the
[19:47] best of science can give us and we have
[19:49] great scientists at the centers for
[19:50] disease control and what they told us
[19:53] was if you're sick, you should stay
[19:55] home. If you have a child who is sick,
[19:57] you should keep that child at home.
[20:00] If if you have sick children in a
[20:01] school, you should close that school,
[20:03] but that's not to let all the kids go to
[20:05] the mall, it's to keep them all at home.
[20:08] And that's the way you begin to mitigate
[20:09] the effect of the spread of this new
[20:11] flu.
[20:11] >> Real common sense standard. And Dr.
[20:13] Messonnier, let me come back to to you
[20:15] now. You said we're not out of the woods
[20:17] yet. We have to be on guard, but what
[20:19] are the signs you're looking for to say,
[20:21] you know what, this isn't as bad as we
[20:23] feared. We are going to get through
[20:24] this. A number of things we're we're
[20:26] looking for. One is we're looking for an
[20:28] answer for why what we are hearing
[20:30] coming out of Mexico looks so different
[20:33] from what we were seeing here initially.
[20:35] We're starting to get some answers
[20:36] there. Here around the country, what
[20:38] we're looking for is how easily does it
[20:40] spread and what is the severity of
[20:42] disease and we're getting answers to
[20:44] that as well.
[20:45] >> It's not spreading that easily, right?
[20:46] >> Well, it is spreading. It's spreading
[20:48] quite easily and and we have 160
[20:50] reported cases, 21 states. We expect
[20:53] today that we're going to be confirming
[20:55] cases in in far more states than that.
[20:57] So, it does spread very easily. The word
[20:59] out of New York City where they had a
[21:01] school cluster is it spread very rapidly
[21:03] through that school, but what they were
[21:05] seeing was disease that was not that
[21:07] severe, and when it transmitted to
[21:09] people in the families, they were seeing
[21:11] disease that was not that severe. And
[21:12] that's encouraging. Secretary Sebelius
[21:14] uh
[21:15] President Obama often um
[21:17] talks about the problems he inherited uh
[21:19] from the past administration. He's not
[21:21] shy about that at all. Yet, President
[21:23] Bush and his team did develop a national
[21:25] strategy for for influenza coming out of
[21:28] the whole avian flu experience. Is this
[21:30] an example where the Obama
[21:32] administration inherited a solution
[21:34] uh from the Bush administration, and is
[21:37] the strategy you're following now rooted
[21:39] in the Bush strategy?
[21:40] Well, I don't think there's any question
[21:41] the planning that's been done um
[21:45] in the last 5 years has been
[21:46] extraordinarily helpful. States are much
[21:49] more prepared than they were uh 4 and 5
[21:52] years ago with emergency plans. The
[21:54] private sector has been engaged in that.
[21:56] In fact, the first time I met Dr. Besser
[21:58] was not involved in this situation, but
[22:00] he came to lead a meta-leadership
[22:02] conference that co-hosted by Kansas and
[22:04] Missouri with a thousand uh people from
[22:07] the private and public sector to talk
[22:08] about a pandemic flu outbreak. So,
[22:11] people have been prepared and ready, and
[22:13] I don't think there's any question that
[22:14] President former President Bush had a
[22:17] strategy, and resources were put in, and
[22:20] that's all very good news. And you know,
[22:22] the aggressive
[22:24] uh ability to get out in front of uh a
[22:27] virus like this is is so very important,
[22:30] and I think President Obama um made sure
[22:33] that his team was in place early on,
[22:35] that we
[22:36] uh acted on this uh
[22:39] appropriately, that we're working with
[22:40] public-private partnership, and that
[22:42] we're really ready to uh do what it
[22:45] takes to keep the American public safe
[22:47] and secure, which is the number one
[22:48] priority.
[22:49] >> That hasn't meant, Secretary Napolitano,
[22:50] you've been uh immune from criticism.
[22:53] Uh you seem to take it from all sides up
[22:54] on Capitol Hill. This week, a lot of
[22:56] senators saying you should be shutting
[22:58] the border down right now. Yet, uh on
[23:00] talk radio, complaints that the media uh
[23:04] and others are hyping the threat. Take a
[23:05] look.
[23:07] You look at the degree and the level to
[23:09] which the media is elevating this to a
[23:11] panic.
[23:12] And you have to say, "Why?" Well,
[23:13] because this is the kind of thing create
[23:15] crisis and panic and it just has more
[23:17] people clamoring for the government to
[23:19] do something. For the government to fix
[23:22] it. Government overreach is the charge.
[23:25] What's the response? Oh, I
[23:27] you know, I No, not at all. Uh
[23:29] Uh when you think about where we were a
[23:31] week or 10 days ago, we had a new strain
[23:33] of flu, we didn't really know what it
[23:36] what it lethality was going to be, we
[23:38] didn't know how quickly it was going to
[23:40] move. Uh and so we had to move because
[23:43] once you get behind flu, you can't catch
[23:45] up. You have to get ahead of it. And uh
[23:47] we took as our number one guide, what
[23:49] what do the doctors tell us to do to to
[23:52] act for the safety of the American
[23:54] people. Now, as we go through it every
[23:56] day, we can adjust because they know a
[23:58] little more, they know a little more but
[24:00] quickly they know a little more about
[24:01] what actually happened in Mexico. So our
[24:03] guidance has been, you know, get
[24:05] prepared for the worst and be able to
[24:07] then adjust as we go as as we go through
[24:10] the actual cycle.
[24:11] >> today, we're ahead of it? Um today we
[24:13] have done, I think, everything that we
[24:15] we could do, yes.
[24:16] Thank you all very much. The round table
[24:18] is next with George Will, Jerry Seib,
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[30:59] George Will, Gerry Seib of the Wall
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[31:04] of PBS. And I want to get to the
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[31:09] begin with the implications of this for
[31:11] the Supreme Supreme Court. Of course,
[31:12] Arlen Specter was the ranking Republican
[31:14] on the Judiciary Committee. He's out
[31:16] right now. And as this goes forward,
[31:18] we're going to learn a lot about
[31:20] President Obama, his party, and the
[31:22] Republican Party. We are. This will not
[31:24] change the balance on the court because
[31:26] this is a liberal being will be replaced
[31:28] by presumably a liberal. You may be
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[31:32] >> That is the silhouette
[31:33] >> you going to tell me what it's about?
[31:34] The silhouette of James Madison. This is
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[31:38] when I wear it on television, sleepers
[31:40] and cells all over the country
[31:41] >> [laughter]
[31:43] >> go to war. But there there'll be no war
[31:44] over this. He has a majority. He's no
[31:46] fool. He will whoever he nominates will
[31:48] be confirmed. And then he may be
[31:50] disappointed because just as Souter
[31:53] disappointed
[31:54] George Herbert Walker Bush, just as
[31:56] Felix Frankfurter disappointed Franklin
[31:58] Roosevelt,
[31:59] these people take on lives of their own
[32:01] when they get on the
[32:01] >> George, you're saying there'll be no
[32:02] war. So let me bring in Gwen Ifill right
[32:04] here. I think George is probably right
[32:06] on that. Everything we know about
[32:07] President Obama shows a a temperate
[32:10] nature. Yet he is getting a lot of
[32:12] pressure already
[32:13] from liberals who say, "You know what?
[32:15] You've got You'll have 60 votes this
[32:18] summer. Go pick someone even if it means
[32:20] getting
[32:21] 30 Republican no votes."
[32:22] >> Because that's the way it works in
[32:24] Washington. There's always a war even if
[32:26] the outcome is predetermined about
[32:27] something like this. By the way,
[32:29] Justices Alito and Justices Roberts did
[32:30] not disappoint President George
[32:33] George W. Bush. So there's a lot to be
[32:35] said for and probably a longer track
[32:37] record of Supreme Court nominees who do
[32:40] do what is expected of them and that's
[32:41] why Well, Bryer and Ginsburg got
[32:43] overwhelming votes and they turned out
[32:44] to be pretty steadfast liberals over
[32:46] there.
[32:46] >> Well, I don't think anybody was confused
[32:48] that they were going to be pretty
[32:48] steadfast liberals. That was at a time
[32:50] when people thought it was the thing to
[32:51] do that unless this person, this nominee
[32:54] really was horrible and in some way was
[32:56] not worthy of the seat, you could gave
[32:58] the president his choice. That clearly
[33:00] is not what happens anymore and what
[33:02] really has to happen for these
[33:04] anybody that the president nominates not
[33:07] to be confirmed is, you know, especially
[33:09] with 60 votes now it looks like maybe
[33:11] perhaps in the Senate it would take a
[33:13] lot more. A personal problem.
[33:15] >> A personal problem, something and even
[33:17] and there are people on the court who
[33:18] had personal problems who still managed
[33:20] to get confirmed, so. I It would take a
[33:22] lot, but I think there's still going to
[33:23] be a fight because there's always a
[33:24] fight.
[33:24] >> Are you one of the liberals who wants a
[33:25] big fight? I'm not sure I would make the
[33:27] fight over this, but there are people
[33:28] certainly who who do. I mean,
[33:30] you know, Obama is having some problems
[33:32] with people who progressives who
[33:34] expected him to be more dramatically
[33:36] different than than he is. Who in some
[33:39] sense
[33:41] people are disappointed over Tim
[33:42] Geithner are going to be demanding a
[33:43] more liberal justice appointment because
[33:46] Obama has not
[33:48] you can say lots of good things even
[33:49] progressives will, but he has not been
[33:51] quite the crusader for liberal causes
[33:54] that a lot of people had hoped he'd be.
[33:55] >> And Jerry, I was talking to a White
[33:56] House official over the weekend and said
[33:58] the president's not looking to throw a
[33:59] grenade into the middle of this process,
[34:01] but he did lay out an interesting series
[34:03] of criteria very deliberate on Friday
[34:06] afternoon. Everyone's focusing
[34:08] on the empathy, but he also talked about
[34:10] integrity, excellence and respecting the
[34:12] rule of law. Right and he used the term
[34:13] independence of thought as well and
[34:15] you're right everybody's focusing on
[34:16] empathy because nobody's quite sure what
[34:17] that means. It It may be a code word for
[34:20] liberal activist which I think Senator
[34:21] Hatch told you just a few minutes ago.
[34:23] It may mean other people think a
[34:26] sign that he wants somebody who's not
[34:27] out of the judicial system now, somebody
[34:29] with more real world experience and for
[34:31] a governor perhaps, or somebody who's
[34:33] who's got sort of a gritty gritty feel
[34:35] for what's happening in America today,
[34:37] not a judicial feel for it. What is a
[34:39] liberal activist these days? Because
[34:41] until January 20th at noon, liberals
[34:44] wanted someone who would rein in
[34:46] presidential power. I'm not sure that's
[34:47] what this president wants anymore. So,
[34:49] liberals can be situational
[34:50] constitutionalists, too.
[34:52] Yeah. And then the president has said in
[34:54] the past, if you look back at his
[34:56] service in in the Senate, also during
[34:58] the campaign, that he does value people
[35:00] come from outside the judiciary
[35:02] on on the one hand, but also that he
[35:04] wants someone especially who will stand
[35:06] up against overreaching executive power.
[35:09] So, so it's going to be a fascinating
[35:11] series of hearings, but when it also
[35:13] will will
[35:14] I think set up a series of possible
[35:16] traps for both Democrats and
[35:18] Republicans. For Democrats, the the risk
[35:20] is overreach.
[35:21] Trying to to do too much. Trying to go
[35:24] too far with the pick. For the
[35:26] Republicans, could be put in a real box.
[35:29] Especially if President Obama picks, as
[35:31] some people think he will, the first
[35:33] Latino
[35:34] for the Supreme Court, who happens to
[35:36] also be a woman, Sonia Sotomayor, only
[35:38] one possibility. And actually, that
[35:40] would be very tempting for the president
[35:41] to do that, just to put them in that
[35:42] box. I mean, I find it kind of the whole
[35:44] situation to be kind of nice. It's nice
[35:46] to have a different
[35:48] a code word, empathy instead
[35:49] [clears throat] of litmus test, which
[35:50] has always been our code word before.
[35:52] And we never really knew what that
[35:53] meant, either. That was also one of
[35:54] those words or terms that was used
[35:57] depending on where you came from. So,
[35:58] yeah, they're both in a box. I do agree
[36:00] with Paul that the liberals really would
[36:02] like an opportunity to push this
[36:04] president a little bit more, because
[36:05] they don't think he has been
[36:06] sufficiently liberal to suit their
[36:08] taste, but I don't think they'll object
[36:09] to anything that he comes up with.
[36:11] >> And and in the short run, Paul, whoever
[36:12] he picks is not going to, as George
[36:14] suggested at the top, going to change
[36:16] the nature of the court dramatically,
[36:18] unless this person has a special ability
[36:20] to get Justice Kennedy to switch sides
[36:22] on most big issues.
[36:23] >> think about the timeline here. You know,
[36:25] just 4 years ago, we were looking at
[36:27] everyone was saying we have a permanent
[36:29] Republican majority. We're going to have
[36:31] a definitively conservative Supreme
[36:32] Court. It's really all going to change.
[36:34] And all that has changed now. So, yes,
[36:36] the person may not be more liberal than
[36:37] Souter, but the person will be younger
[36:39] than Souter. And so, we're going to end
[36:40] up with a and Obama will probably get
[36:43] other appointments. So, we're going to
[36:44] be looking at a court that is in fact
[36:46] not going to be that right-leaning court
[36:48] that almost everybody thought was
[36:50] inevitable.
[36:50] >> let me pick up on that because I know
[36:52] that the thinking in a lot of the
[36:53] circles around the administration is
[36:55] that this is the first of the three
[36:57] picks for the president. There's
[36:58] actually been a very elaborate
[36:59] sequencing worked out. Souter decided to
[37:02] retire only after he checked with
[37:04] Ginsburg and Stevens. Next year, either
[37:06] Ginsburg or Stevens will retire. The
[37:07] year after that, uh the last one will go
[37:09] when the president is expecting, no
[37:11] guarantee, but expecting three picks.
[37:13] >> I think that's right and you would just
[37:14] look at the actuarial tables going into
[37:16] the administration and think that that's
[37:17] a likely way to look at it and it
[37:19] actually enables President Obama to kind
[37:21] of strategize how he picks, what kinds
[37:23] of people he picks, knowing that the one
[37:25] pick isn't the last one, it's the first
[37:27] of several. But, it's also worth
[37:28] remembering, I think, that there's still
[37:29] going to be a fairly young conservative
[37:32] block on this court. You know, the the
[37:33] Roberts-Alito alignment is they're not
[37:35] going away anytime soon, either. So,
[37:37] this is going to be an interesting and
[37:39] an interesting time to remake the court
[37:41] or not remake the court, as you suggest.
[37:44] There's one other thing I would mention
[37:45] here that I think has gotten relatively
[37:46] little attention. You cannot have this
[37:49] hearing at this time and not have the
[37:50] abortion issue come up and it's really
[37:52] the first time in the Obama presidency
[37:53] when that has is going to be raised. And
[37:56] I'm not sure that's really what the
[37:57] White House wants to engage in a debate
[37:58] about right now, but you can't really
[38:00] avoid it. I was uh talking with a
[38:02] Republican, a conservative Republican
[38:04] senator earlier in the week and I asked
[38:06] him, I said, "When does abortion arise
[38:08] as an issue in this administration?" He
[38:09] said, "Not until there's a Supreme Court
[38:11] uh vacancy." And then 2 days later,
[38:13] there was a Supreme Court vacancy.
[38:14] >> night at his press conference when this
[38:15] question of the freedom of choice act
[38:17] which would codify Roe v. Wade come up,
[38:18] he He said, "Listen, I'm I'm for it, but
[38:20] it's just not my priority. I don't want
[38:22] to push it right now.
[38:24] Well,
[38:25] one thing the president could do here is
[38:27] to do something that would break the
[38:30] streak. Now, we have nine justices who
[38:33] are former appellate judges, and he
[38:35] could go for the Earl Warren model,
[38:37] someone from politics. Earl Warren
[38:39] famously would have a law come before
[38:41] him and constitutionality would be
[38:43] challenged, and he'd say, "Well, is the
[38:44] law right? Is it nice? Is it good?"
[38:47] Interesting questions, but not judicial
[38:49] questions. The question is, is it
[38:50] constitutional? There are lots of things
[38:52] that aren't right that are
[38:53] constitutional. He may do that, and I
[38:54] have to say as someone who's been in the
[38:55] middle of some of these meetings to to
[38:57] pick a justice, that is always the first
[38:59] inclination at the first meeting. You
[39:00] want something way outside of the box,
[39:02] something that, you know, someone in the
[39:03] Earl Warren model, and then the longer
[39:05] the process goes on, well, you go back
[39:06] to that appeals court.
[39:08] Every time it's happened, did you say
[39:09] nine times in a row?
[39:10] >> Cautionary word, Harriet Myers was
[39:12] outside the And outside the box as well.
[39:14] Let's Let's say switch subjects now.
[39:16] >> [laughter]
[39:17] >> Another fallout from the Specter switch,
[39:19] obviously, the question of what does
[39:21] this mean
[39:22] for the Republican Party. There's been a
[39:24] a lot of soul searching, even though
[39:25] Michael Steele and others going saying
[39:27] that this says a lot more about Arlen
[39:29] Specter than it does about the
[39:30] Republican Party. Yet, it comes at a
[39:32] time, according to our Washington
[39:34] Post-ABC News poll, that the Republican
[39:35] Party is at its lowest point in what, in
[39:37] 25 years?
[39:38] >> 21% people of people identify as
[39:40] Republicans anymore, which may have
[39:42] something to do with just sinking party
[39:43] identification all around. But, what's
[39:45] interesting about about this is the
[39:48] refreshing nature of Arlen Specter's
[39:50] admission. He said that
[39:52] He did say at some point, "Well, you
[39:54] know, the party left me. I didn't leave
[39:55] the party." But, then he went on to say,
[39:56] "I looked at my polls." A politician who
[39:58] admits that he reads the polls, even the
[40:00] president won't do that. We know that's
[40:01] not true. Um, he's admitting that he
[40:04] can't win. Now, what that also raises a
[40:06] question of is whether it's more
[40:07] important that he be reelected than that
[40:09] the Republican Party of Pennsylvania,
[40:11] however it's composed, be represented.
[40:13] Um, it's been a very interesting thing
[40:15] because I think the real thing you can
[40:17] tell about how concerned Republicans are
[40:19] are people like Kay Bailey Hutchison is
[40:21] not a raving liberal
[40:22] who says that she's worried about it.
[40:24] People like Lindsey Graham from the
[40:25] center of South Carolina who is not a
[40:27] raving liberal who says he is worried
[40:29] about it. He is worried about the
[40:30] direction of the party and what this
[40:31] says about it.
[40:32] >> And you've got a whole bunch of top
[40:33] Republicans including Mitt Romney, Jeb
[40:36] Bush, Eric Cantor of Virginia coming
[40:38] together, Haley Barbour of Mississippi
[40:39] coming together in a new group yesterday
[40:41] to talk about outreach for the
[40:42] Republican Party, rebranding the
[40:44] Republican Party. Here is Jeb Bush in
[40:46] northern Virginia. Our ideas need to be
[40:48] forward looking and relevant. Um I just
[40:51] I felt like there was a lot of nostalgia
[40:52] for the good old days in in in the
[40:54] messaging. Um
[40:56] and you know, it's great, but it doesn't
[40:58] it doesn't draw people towards your
[40:59] cause. The party clearly seems to be
[41:01] concerned at the top levels, George, of
[41:03] being branded as the party of no in in
[41:05] in in the wake of President Obama's
[41:08] election, but also having a hard time I
[41:10] it feels like when you talk about
[41:12] rebranding and outreach, you're avoiding
[41:14] the core question. Is this a problem
[41:16] that Republican ideas are out of favor
[41:18] or is it just a communications problem?
[41:20] Well, the scale of the problem can be
[41:21] measured this way. It is estimated that
[41:23] there are 10 states with only 93
[41:26] electoral votes in which the Republican
[41:28] Party is sort of durably strong. Now
[41:31] that's that's a regional party is what
[41:33] they're becoming. I happen to believe
[41:35] that no is a pretty good word in
[41:37] politics. Most beautiful five words in
[41:39] the English language are the first five
[41:41] words of the first amendment. Congress
[41:42] shall make no law, period. But beyond
[41:45] that, in fact, Mr. Obama, by the clarity
[41:48] of his program
[41:50] and the energy of his program, is going
[41:51] to help the Republicans redefine
[41:53] themselves. They are going to be in
[41:54] opposition to this, they're going to be
[41:56] a again a party of more limited
[41:58] government. And if Mr. Obama's program
[42:01] works, he wins. If not, the Republican
[42:02] revival is assured. But you know, just
[42:05] think about rebranding. So who do they
[42:06] get together to rebrand the Republican
[42:08] Party?
[42:09] Uh the brother of a much disliked
[42:11] ex-president whose popularity is falling
[42:13] since he's left office.
[42:14] Um, the guy who didn't get the
[42:15] Republican nomination. You know, it's
[42:17] not a
[42:18] um
[42:19] They don't have any very new faces to do
[42:20] this rebranding. And they are becoming a
[42:23] party that is shrinking in on itself.
[42:25] It's a kind of death spiral in which the
[42:27] moderates got driven out of the party,
[42:28] lost, and what's left is a more
[42:30] conservative party, which is getting
[42:33] further and further away from the
[42:34] mainstream. If Obama fails big time,
[42:36] maybe that works, but if not, they
[42:38] really have marginalized them.
[42:39] >> time Paul The last time they talked
[42:40] about the Republicans in a death spiral
[42:42] was after the '64 election, when
[42:45] Goldwater carried six states. Four years
[42:46] later, the Republicans began the string
[42:48] of winning 10 seven out of 10 elections.
[42:50] So, these death spirals can be reversed.
[42:52] >> That's true, but I mean, if you go look
[42:54] at the
[42:55] example of the Democrats in the 19
[42:57] 1980s, during the age of Reagan, they
[42:59] had to go through a similar experience
[43:01] to this, Jerry Seib. And that's where
[43:02] you saw the Democratic Leadership
[43:03] Council coming up with reform ideas. But
[43:05] it wasn't until And this picks up on
[43:07] Paul's point. It wasn't until there was
[43:09] a candidate, Bill Clinton, to carry
[43:11] those reform ideas forward that you
[43:12] actually saw uh the success. Right. And
[43:15] there's no obvious candidate for that
[43:16] spot in the Republican Party right now.
[43:18] But it it wouldn't be at this stage of
[43:19] the cycle. I think what's interesting
[43:21] about this particular fork in the road
[43:23] is that it's produced this debate among
[43:25] Republicans about whether the path back
[43:27] to health comes from having a more
[43:29] ideologically coherent conservative
[43:31] voice that implies a narrower base, or
[43:34] to spread out the party and have a
[43:35] bigger tent. Which is the best way back
[43:38] to power? Is it the having clarity of
[43:40] ideas, or a broader outreach? And I
[43:42] don't think that issue is resolved. And
[43:43] I think until it is, you're not going to
[43:45] know what the Republican Party that
[43:46] we're talking about really is going to
[43:48] be in the next two or three years.
[43:49] >> comes back to, Glenn, are the social
[43:51] issues. The Republicans can unify around
[43:54] a lot of economic issues, around the
[43:55] principle of liberty. But when you bring
[43:57] to the the social issues to the table,
[44:00] gay marriage, abortion, the environment
[44:03] to some extent, that's that's where a
[44:04] lot of of young Republicans are saying,
[44:06] we have to have
[44:07] more moderation here." Well, and that's
[44:09] the where the danger of those five words
[44:11] that that George was talking about
[44:13] comes, because it doesn't There's not a
[44:14] period after Congress shall make no law.
[44:16] It continues. And there I've been I
[44:18] spent the past week in St. Louis talking
[44:19] to people who kind of aren't in our
[44:21] bubble and are watching this very
[44:23] carefully. And who didn't necessarily
[44:24] vote for Barack Obama. I mean, Missouri
[44:26] is the one battleground state he didn't
[44:28] win. And they seem to be really patient
[44:30] with the possibility of government's
[44:32] role. Now, they're a little nervous
[44:33] about the deficits, a lot of folks.
[44:35] They're a little nervous about the
[44:35] spending. But, they're also saying,
[44:38] completely in in sync with the polls
[44:40] we've been reading, that they think
[44:42] maybe this might work. Or they don't
[44:44] know where else to go. But, I don't
[44:46] think telling these people that we're
[44:47] going to say no to everything, to every
[44:49] possible solution, uh is is is the is
[44:52] the message that Republicans really need
[44:54] to hear.
[44:54] >> solutions that's not so popular is one
[44:56] that he had to deal with this week. And
[44:58] it was the the the bankruptcy of
[45:00] Chrysler. And the president seemed quite
[45:02] defensive about the fact that the
[45:04] government was taking so many such a
[45:06] large stake in so many private
[45:08] businesses at his press conference on
[45:10] Wednesday. And then he was actually
[45:11] asked about what kind of a shareholder
[45:12] he would be.
[45:15] I don't want to run auto companies.
[45:18] I don't want to run banks.
[45:21] I've got two wars I've got to run
[45:23] already. But, I know that if the
[45:24] Japanese can design a affordable,
[45:27] well-designed hybrid,
[45:28] then doggone it, the American people
[45:30] should be able to do the same.
[45:33] So, my job is to
[45:35] ask
[45:36] the auto industry, "Why is it you guys
[45:38] can't do this?"
[45:40] I assume the president is talking about
[45:42] the Prius. It's affordable because
[45:44] Toyota sells it at a loss. And it can
[45:47] afford to sell it at a loss because it
[45:49] is selling twice as many gas-guzzling
[45:51] pickup trucks of the sort our president
[45:53] detests. So, as an auto executive, he's
[45:56] off to a rocky start. Now, let me ask
[45:57] people around this a question.
[46:00] If the UAW is going to own 39% of
[46:04] General Motors and the government's
[46:05] going to own 50%, how do you negotiate?
[46:08] Since you've got a government in part
[46:10] elected by the UAW negotiating with the
[46:12] UAW. And then there's Chrysler. If
[46:14] Chrysler's going to own be owned 55% by
[46:16] the UAW, is the UAW on both sides of the
[46:19] table when they negotiate a contract?
[46:20] >> Well, you know, this is ultimately all
[46:23] of this is going to depend on a
[46:24] continuing inflow of money from
[46:25] Washington. So ultimately, you know, the
[46:27] government is the shareholder. And
[46:28] that's that's the point in a way.
[46:31] In a way, that's probably going to
[46:32] ensure tougher bargains because
[46:34] this is tremendously unpopular.
[46:36] >> didn't have to drive a hard bargain. The
[46:37] UAW had to give a
[46:39] a lot of concessions.
[46:40] >> gotten significant wage cuts here. Now,
[46:42] it may not be enough. There's a problem.
[46:44] This is certainly not a problem. This is
[46:45] not something, you know, Obama wanted to
[46:47] do, but
[46:49] it was not conceivable to just let the
[46:51] thing collapse without without doing
[46:53] something, without at least delaying the
[46:54] process. This is I think mostly about
[46:56] making things move in slow enough motion
[46:58] that we might have an economic recovery
[47:00] before everything goes.
[47:01] >> And Jerry, the administration considers
[47:02] it I think a major victory that Chrysler
[47:04] they believe will
[47:06] be a viable company they hope when it
[47:07] comes out of bankruptcy. But the
[47:08] difficult question I think on on on on
[47:11] both Chrysler and GM is, okay, the
[47:13] government is in there now, but what
[47:15] everyone has to figure out is the exit
[47:17] strategy. And no one knows what that is.
[47:19] >> No, and and John Dingell, the the
[47:21] congressman from Michigan who's been
[47:22] around forever, told me when this all
[47:24] came up, he said, you know, I was I was
[47:26] a bankruptcy lawyer once. People forget
[47:27] how hard it is to get out of bankruptcy.
[47:29] It's much easier to go in than it is to
[47:31] get out, regardless of what people say
[47:33] at the at the moment like this when it
[47:34] all starts. So, I think the exit
[47:36] strategy is the question here. I don't
[47:38] know what it is. I'm not sure anybody
[47:39] knows what it is. But I I agree with
[47:41] Paul. I don't think Barack Obama wants
[47:43] to run auto companies, but that doesn't
[47:45] mean he's not going to be stuck doing it
[47:47] for a while. And I don't think he wants
[47:48] to tell the auto companies how to run
[47:50] their business per se, but it's pretty
[47:52] clear he does want to use his influence
[47:54] to convince them they ought to be making
[47:55] a different kind of car.
[47:56] >> was only he probably only got a deal
[47:59] when because he was willing to put
[48:00] bankruptcy on the table in a real way.
[48:03] And I was struck by how much leeway
[48:05] Michigan politicians who supported him
[48:07] were giving him on this. Well, and also
[48:09] I was struck by his decision to really
[48:11] lash out against hedge funds, which at
[48:13] is standing in front of a microphone
[48:14] with all of your economic team behind
[48:16] you. That's not a hard thing to do, I
[48:17] suppose. No one knows what hedge funds
[48:19] are and it sounds like an evil thing, so
[48:21] let's say it's a bad thing. But
[48:22] >> four times. I'm not on their side.
[48:24] >> Well, because he wasn't on their side,
[48:25] they weren't on his side. He had no
[48:26] choice but to put bankruptcy on the
[48:28] table. It's not like the president has
[48:30] had a wide array of choices here in
[48:31] trying to to stop this. Their way of
[48:34] looking at it is that there was not an
[48:35] option for failure for these auto
[48:36] companies. And so then if you assume
[48:38] there's no option that you're not you're
[48:40] not going to let them collapse, then
[48:41] what do you do? It seems to me the
[48:42] bankruptcy that we've sort of tried to
[48:45] pre-package in the administration before
[48:47] it goes to court is in the subjunctive
[48:49] mood. It will not be final until the
[48:51] judge speaks. And the president's
[48:53] proposing overturning certain premises
[48:54] of a bankruptcy law. Second, we talk
[48:57] about an exit strategy. 30 years ago
[48:59] today, Margaret Thatcher won the
[49:01] election that made her prime minister
[49:03] and we had the retreat of the state
[49:05] continued for almost 30 years. Now it's
[49:08] been reversed in a big way and I'm not
[49:10] convinced that once the political class
[49:12] comes to relish the pleasures of having
[49:14] this enormous slush fund to intervene in
[49:16] the economy,
[49:18] uh turning bank loans into shares in the
[49:21] banks, etc. I'm not sure they're going
[49:22] to want to exit at all.
[49:24] >> No, I can't predict, but right now, let
[49:25] me tell you they really don't want to
[49:27] run banks. They so badly don't want to
[49:29] run banks, I think it's actually kind of
[49:30] hamstringing their ability to deal with
[49:32] them because they don't they don't want
[49:33] to go where they just went with Chrysler
[49:34] on the banks. And this is this is you
[49:36] know, this is a definitely not a
[49:37] socialist-minded administration.
[49:39] >> So how do you get out though?
[49:41] You know, the only thing you can say is
[49:43] auto sales right now are so low that
[49:46] looking at the current situation is not
[49:47] a good guide. Right? At current rates of
[49:49] sales, it would take 27 years to replace
[49:51] the existing stock of automobiles. So,
[49:53] we know that automobiles, you know, cars
[49:55] don't last that long. So, automobile
[49:56] sales are going to go up. So, things are
[49:58] going to look better even if they do
[50:00] nothing, even if they just hold the
[50:01] fort. Not enough to make these going
[50:03] concerns as currently structured, but
[50:05] maybe it's going to be easier. You know,
[50:06] what looks impossible now may look
[50:09] doable in a year. You know, there's a
[50:11] interesting political effect that you
[50:13] referred to uh briefly, George, which is
[50:15] that in the White House people are sort
[50:17] of likening the president's willingness
[50:18] to use the bankruptcy threat and follow
[50:20] through on it here to Ronald Reagan's
[50:22] firing of the air traffic controllers to
[50:24] say that you show toughness, it has an
[50:26] effect on the immediate situation, it
[50:27] has a ripple effect down the line that
[50:29] it makes people realize you're willing
[50:31] to do tough things. Now, it may or may
[50:33] not turn out that way, but there's the
[50:34] potential here as messy as this current
[50:36] situation is to have a sort of a broader
[50:38] impact.
[50:39] >> hedge funds may be even less popular
[50:40] than the air traffic controllers were.
[50:42] That's almost certainly true.
[50:43] >> [laughter]
[50:44] >> 1981. And you know, George, we only have
[50:46] about a minute left, but the political
[50:48] world [clears throat]
[50:49] lost a star when the party lost one of
[50:50] its stars overnight. Jack Kemp, of
[50:52] course, former congressman, former vice
[50:54] presidential candidate, HUD secretary
[50:57] under Ronald Reagan succumbed to cancer
[50:59] last night. Uh
[51:01] He was a good friend of yours. He was a
[51:03] good friend. He was a good friend all
[51:04] all people who encountered him. He was a
[51:06] big-hearted man. Very strong
[51:08] convictions, but didn't know how to make
[51:09] an enemy and didn't know how to hold a
[51:11] grudge. He was just a terrific fellow.
[51:13] And and and always an optimist. And Gwen
[51:16] and I were talking before, didn't seem
[51:18] that possible he could be 73 cuz he was
[51:20] such a such a youthful guy and had that
[51:22] sort of youthful energy start to finish
[51:24] of his political career. I covered Jack
[51:25] Kemp when he was the secretary of HUD
[51:27] and also when he ran for vice president,
[51:28] and he was the original happy warrior
[51:30] for the Republicans as opposed to the
[51:32] Hubert Humphrey bolt. He was kind of
[51:33] that way. He really thought he could be
[51:35] elected vice president in 1988 when
[51:37] nobody else thought so. And he also
[51:39] thought he could expand the Republican
[51:40] Party and make a broader umbrella,
[51:42] something which has proven not to be so.
[51:43] And one of the nicest man you'll ever
[51:45] meet in politics. This round table is
[51:46] going to continue in the green room on
[51:48] abcnews.com and we come back when we
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[53:33] not. Look, we got to go now. The light's
[53:35] perfect.
[53:35] >> the stunt crew now. What's the stunt
[53:37] crew?
[53:40] >> [music]
[53:41] >> Jackpot.
[53:43] Get work done now. Nextel Direct Connect
[53:46] with GPS tracking only on the Now
[53:48] network.
[53:48] >> Men go to work, make money, support the
[53:50] family. But when the pink slip comes,
[53:52] [music] with layoffs hitting men harder
[53:54] than women, the traditional male-female
[53:55] roles are getting a forced makeover. So
[53:58] who's the breadwinner these days? The
[53:59] new gender rules, Monday [music] on
[54:01] World News with Charles Gibson.
[54:10] Now
[54:10] >> [music]
[54:10] >> in the morning.
[54:13] I was fulfilled
[54:14] quite easily in terms of going from
[54:16] football competition to political
[54:19] competition.
[54:21] >> [music]
[54:30] >> The entire world is looking to America
[54:33] for inspiration and leadership. More
[54:35] than ever
[54:36] we are the bright signal in an otherwise
[54:39] dark night.
[54:41] >> [music]
[54:44] >> I shall not seek and I will not accept
[54:47] the nomination of my party for another
[54:49] term as your president.
[54:52] >> [music]
[55:01] >> This [music] week the Pentagon released
[55:02] the names of five service members killed
[55:04] in Iraq.
[55:11] >> [music]
[55:17] >> We'll be right back.
[55:22] I'm Mo and this is my Citgo. [music]
[55:25] Corpus Christi is growing a lot. Yet we
[55:27] all come together to make this town a
[55:29] better place. I give back by helping
[55:31] kids make better choices. And to keep
[55:33] [music] growing, our community depends
[55:35] on Citgo for reliable supply of fuel and
[55:38] everything else it needs to keep moving.
[55:40] Every Citgo is locally owned and they're
[55:43] at every turn. My Citgo plays [music] a
[55:45] vital role in this neighborhood. We're
[55:47] local and loyal like it should be.
[55:51] >> [music]
[55:51] >> At Verizon Wireless, we understand that
[55:53] training and teamwork are what move our
[55:55] people forward.
[55:56] Like the training that lets me help
[55:58] customers with new wireless innovations.
[56:01] >> [music]
[56:02] >> And to help us reach our goals, nothing
[56:04] succeeds like the power of teamwork.
[56:08] Training [music] and teamwork to make
[56:09] jobs into careers.
[56:12] At Verizon Wireless, we're learning
[56:13] [music] and working together so we work
[56:15] better for our customers.
[56:20] What has made Grant Thornton one of the
[56:22] largest accounting organizations in the
[56:24] world? With [music] resources in more
[56:26] than 100 countries worldwide.
[56:28] Is it their expertise and partner
[56:30] involvement?
[56:32] Global capabilities?
[56:33] And extraordinary audit, tax, and
[56:36] advisory services?
[56:39] Or is it their passion for how they
[56:41] serve their clients?
[56:43] Grant Thornton. Find out what it's like
[56:46] to work with people who love what they
[56:48] do.
[56:50] All new.
[56:52] ABC tonight. As a soldier, he nearly
[56:55] [music] sacrificed his life, but he
[56:57] still fights the battle for other
[56:59] disabled veterans. He's changed laws. He
[57:02] deserves a place that reflects that.
[57:05] With the honorable Colin Powell, a
[57:07] tribute to a military [music] hero.
[57:09] >> I can't wait to show you what's going on
[57:10] in this bus. It really is going to give
[57:11] you back your independence
[57:13] and your pride. ABC's Extreme Makeover:
[57:16] Home Edition, all new tonight 8:00 7:00
[57:18] Central on ABC. There's nothing like all
[57:21] new episodes of your favorite shows.
[57:23] Tonight the housewives are hooking up.
[57:25] Every night for 30 days.
[57:26] >> it quick.
[57:28] Making up. Marry me. And breaking up.
[57:31] I'm doing whatever needs to be done. An
[57:33] all new Desperate Housewives and it's a
[57:35] couple's showdown. Did you? Did I what?
[57:38] Sleep with him? And a husband's throw
[57:40] down.
[57:40] >> do everything to protect my marriage and
[57:42] I'm a very powerful man.
[57:44] >> An all new Brothers [music] and Sisters
[57:45] it's all new tonight starting at 9:08
[57:47] Central on ABC.
[57:53] It turns out that the Sunday Funnies
[57:54] tuned into my interview with the Iranian
[57:56] president.
[57:58] I'm a dinner jacket. He he he uh
[58:00] complained that President Obama hasn't
[58:02] been returning his messages.
[58:05] No offense, Mahmoud. Maybe he's just not
[58:07] that into you, you know?
[58:10] >> [laughter]
[58:10] >> Republican Senator Arlen Specter
[58:14] has contracted donkey flu.
[58:18] Folks, this disease is now officially
[58:21] out of control.
[58:23] Back in 2004, we thought we had it
[58:25] contained to the coast and the cities,
[58:27] but then it mutated and tore through the
[58:30] country.
[58:31] >> [cheering]
[58:32] >> Biden has been speaking out so much
[58:34] lately. Today President Obama took some
[58:36] action. Did you see them together? Take
[58:37] a look. You see look he's got duct tape.
[58:39] Look, you see him?
[58:42] He's the first president ever who can
[58:44] use Facebook, but his staff does not
[58:45] know how to use Photoshop. Here's how it
[58:47] works, [laughter] by the way.
[58:49] This is the Statue of Liberty and look
[58:51] at them. Voila, here's Air Force One
[58:54] flying by.
[58:56] Look what else we can do here. We can
[58:57] have President Obama actually walking on
[58:59] the
[59:02] And that's our show for today. Thanks
[59:03] for sharing part of your Sunday with us.
[59:05] We'll see you next week.
[59:07] >> [music]
[59:13] [music]
[59:19] [music]
[59:24] >> From probable to confirmed, the next
[59:27] stage in the swine flu locally. New
[59:29] information about the person killed in
[59:31] our area's brief but powerful storm. The
[59:34] mystery of the missing parent. We just
[59:37] want Savannah.
[59:38] We want to get her to the vet and make
[59:40] sure she's okay. The lengths a local
[59:42] family has gone to in reclaiming their
[59:45] prized bird, even getting help from a
[59:47] pet detective.
[59:50] >> [music]
[59:51] >> Live at 5:00. This is K2 News on your
[59:55] side.
[59:56] Good evening everyone. Thanks for
[59:57] joining us. I'm Anna Song. Oregon now
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