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[0:00] first president of the 21st century,
[0:02] President Bill Clinton.
[0:05] >> Both men talked about their past and
[0:07] their families. Gore recounted his young
[0:10] son's near fatal auto accident and how
[0:13] it changed his outlook on life and
[0:15] politics. Bill Clinton talked about his
[0:17] father, who died before he was born, and
[0:20] how his mother struggled to make ends
[0:22] meet.
[0:23] >> You want to know where I get my fighting
[0:26] spirit? It all started with my mother.
[0:30] Thank you, mother. I love you.
[0:33] >> Clinton stressed that unlike the
[0:35] president, he's not from a privileged
[0:36] background. He called George Bush a man
[0:39] without vision and compared himself to
[0:41] Ross Perau in seeking change. I am well
[0:45] aware
[0:46] that all those millions of people who
[0:49] rallied to Ross Perau's cause wanted to
[0:52] be in an army of patriots for change.
[0:58] Tonight I say to them, join us and
[1:01] together we will revitalize America.
[1:06] And last night Clinton gave his plan to
[1:08] revitalize America a name. I called this
[1:12] approach
[1:13] a new covenant, a solemn agreement
[1:19] between the people and their government
[1:22] based not simply on what each of us can
[1:24] take, but what all of us must give to
[1:27] our nation.
[1:30] On the convention floor, the speech was
[1:32] wellreceived, and the Democrats are
[1:34] thrilled with the lead they now have in
[1:35] the polls. But the Clinton campaign is
[1:38] mindful of what happened to Michael
[1:39] Dukus four years ago when he sat on his
[1:42] lead and watched his 17-point lead
[1:44] disappear. They don't want a repeat
[1:46] performance. So, they're going to hit
[1:47] the campaign trail hard starting today,
[1:49] Mike.
[1:50] >> And why starting where they're starting?
[1:52] Well, they have a regional philosophy
[1:53] here, regional approach.
[1:55] >> They think they're going to do well with
[1:56] some of the people who supported Ross
[1:58] Pro in the Rust Belt. are going to be
[1:59] going on a bus trip, stopping at many
[2:02] small towns, hoping to pick up some uh
[2:04] people that previously supported Ross
[2:06] Pro. As far as the speech went, I think
[2:08] Bill Clinton went on long again.
[2:10] Probably a little disappointed, some
[2:11] people out there, that it it took him so
[2:13] long to say what he wanted, but there's
[2:14] so many people he's trying to appeal to,
[2:16] it had a little bit of the flavor of the
[2:18] kitchen sink.
[2:19] >> All right, Mike, thanks very much. ABC's
[2:20] Mike von Fran for us this morning once
[2:22] again from Madison Square Garden. All
[2:24] the convention coverage has given Bill
[2:25] Clinton a rather stunning lead in the
[2:27] latest ABC News poll. was taken
[2:29] yesterday after Ross Perau bailed out of
[2:31] the race and it puts Clinton ahead of
[2:33] President Bush by a 2 to1 margin. But
[2:36] none of this matters too much to one
[2:38] group of Americans who were basically
[2:39] stunned by something else yesterday.
[2:41] That being Mr. Perau's pull out. ABC's
[2:43] Linda Patillo has reaction now from
[2:45] Perau's volunteers.
[2:48] >> We want
[2:49] >> outside Perau headquarters last night. A
[2:52] lastditch effort to get their candidate
[2:54] to reconsider.
[2:55] >> Don't give up. Don't quit. It's not
[2:58] over.
[3:00] >> But the man who said he would run if his
[3:02] supporters got him on the ballot in 50
[3:04] states had changed his mind.
[3:06] >> Now that the Democratic party has
[3:07] revitalized itself,
[3:10] I have concluded that we cannot win in
[3:12] November and that the election will be
[3:15] decided in the House of Representatives.
[3:17] >> He would not run, he said, because he
[3:19] did not want to disrupt the system and
[3:21] because it was what was best for his
[3:23] country. Can you sort of tell us how you
[3:25] came to this decision in your own?
[3:26] >> I'm an engineer. I just rationally
[3:28] looked at the facts. I just analyze
[3:30] facts and you know try to keep You don't
[3:32] make good decisions with emotions. You
[3:34] make good decisions just looking at the
[3:35] facts
[3:36] >> committee. This is Shirley
[3:37] >> at Perau headquarters. Volunteers
[3:39] scrambled to keep their grassroots
[3:41] movement together.
[3:42] >> Trying to get him to change his mind
[3:44] right now. Sir,
[3:47] >> tell me you're going to pull his leg off
[3:49] if he don't change his mind.
[3:50] >> He really was going to make a change.
[3:53] in politics for all of us and for our
[3:55] kids.
[3:58] And I guess I'm just devastated at this
[3:59] point.
[4:01] >> They're hurt. They feel betrayed, but
[4:03] they still love him and they want him to
[4:04] reconsider. And I do, too.
[4:07] >> Are Perau's supporters wasting his time?
[4:09] Campaign manager Hamilton Jordan says,
[4:11] "I'm taking him for his word, and they
[4:13] should, too." But what about this force
[4:16] that Perau has unleashed on American
[4:18] politics? His name will still appear on
[4:20] the ballot in nearly 30 states and that
[4:23] could prove to be an attractive choice
[4:24] for those who want to vote for none of
[4:26] the above. Ross Perau without even
[4:29] running may continue to exert a
[4:30] tremendous impact on this election year.
[4:33] Mike,
[4:33] >> he could have another kind of impact
[4:34] obviously, Lyn, and some people wondered
[4:36] too whether he was getting awfully close
[4:38] to that yesterday when he talked
[4:39] glowingly about changes in the
[4:41] Democratic party. I I take it that that
[4:43] was not intended to be some sort of
[4:44] subtle endorsement.
[4:45] >> He was asked whether he was offering
[4:47] some sort of endorsement. and he said
[4:48] absolutely not. He urged his supporters
[4:51] to look at the other two candidates and
[4:53] pick one. But Mikey held open the door.
[4:55] He said if his supporters wanted to get
[4:57] together and decide what direction their
[4:59] grassroots movement would take, he'd
[5:00] certainly be willing to meet with them.
[5:02] >> All right, Linda, thank you very much.
[5:03] ABC's Linda Patillo live for us this
[5:05] morning covering the Perau story as it
[5:07] develops in Dallas, Texas. The Perau
[5:10] announcement caught a number of people
[5:11] by surprise at the highest levels of
[5:13] government. The highest level of course
[5:14] being the president and he certainly was
[5:16] surprised. Mr. Bush was out of position.
[5:18] He was actually on vacation at Secretary
[5:20] of State Baker's ranch up in Wyoming
[5:22] when he called a news conference to try
[5:24] to react to the uh Perau announcement.
[5:26] Mr. Bush said that he had telephoned
[5:29] Perau to offer his congratulations, as
[5:31] the president put it, for Perau's
[5:33] energizing of this political machine and
[5:36] also obviously seeking to try to
[5:38] capitalize on some support from the
[5:41] Perau supporters themselves, hoping to
[5:42] attract some of them. There's also been
[5:44] some speculation about whether or not
[5:46] Mr. Baker will jump back to help the
[5:48] president's uh what some would call
[5:50] floundering political campaign and Anne
[5:52] Compton reported to us earlier this
[5:53] morning that the door certainly seemed
[5:55] to be left at least a bit a jar. On that
[5:57] note, finally a program note for you
[5:59] right now. Tonight on 2020, Ross Perau
[6:01] will talk with ABC's Barbara Walters
[6:03] about his decision to get out of this
[6:04] presidential campaign. And that is
[6:06] tonight on 2020 beginning at 10:00
[6:08] Eastern time. That is the news till now.
[6:10] More on this coming up in just a couple
[6:11] of moments. Here's Charlie and Spencer.
[6:13] >> All right, thanks very much, Michael.
[6:14] Appreciate that. It is 8 minutes after
[6:16] the hour. Spencer has the national
[6:17] weather forecast. We'll get to it
[6:19] because we got a lot. Very much Spencer.
[6:20] It's coming up on 11 minutes after the
[6:22] hour. We have standing by in Dallas the
[6:24] man who ran the petition drive for Ross
[6:26] Perau, Tom Loose. And Joan's going to be
[6:28] talking to him. Joan, are you are you
[6:29] there? No, I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[6:32] She's not standing by. As you heard in
[6:34] the news, Ross Perau ended the
[6:35] speculation over when he would declare
[6:38] his candidacy when he told his
[6:39] supporters yesterday that he would not
[6:41] run for president. And joining us now
[6:42] from Dallas, Texas, is Ross Perau's
[6:44] chief of staff, Tom Loose, the chairman
[6:46] of the Perau Petition Committee. Mr.
[6:48] Loose, good to have you with us.
[6:49] >> Good morning.
[6:51] >> There is a lot of confusion really as to
[6:54] why Ross Perau did this. I know what his
[6:57] stated reasons were, but it came so
[6:59] quickly. It caught everybody by
[7:01] surprise. Most of all, his volunteers.
[7:04] He cut and ran. Why?
[7:07] >> Well, I I think his stated reasons are
[7:09] very clear, Charlie. I think he he made
[7:11] a difficult decision. He did what he
[7:14] sincerely thought was best for the
[7:15] country. I know there are people that
[7:17] are disappointed. Uh I met with the
[7:20] staff here and the volunteers here
[7:22] yesterday, but you know, I think uh they
[7:25] also are very clear in feeling that Ross
[7:27] did what he thought was right. But Mr.
[7:30] Loose, didn't he? You ran the petition
[7:31] drive. You knew those people, those
[7:33] volunteers. He made a compact with them.
[7:35] He said, "Look, I will, if you will do
[7:37] for me, if you will get me on the ballot
[7:39] in 50 states, I will do for you. I will
[7:41] represent your disaection. I will speak
[7:44] for those that are not spoken for." And
[7:46] then all of a sudden, he's gone. Well,
[7:49] Charlie, part of that compact from the
[7:51] very beginning, and if you look back,
[7:52] it's been very clear, and he said it
[7:54] over and over, he would never do
[7:55] anything that was destructive uh to the
[7:58] country or not constructive. I remember
[8:01] uh people from your network asking me
[8:03] what that meant two or three months ago
[8:05] and I told them it meant exactly what it
[8:07] said uh that he would always he's a
[8:09] patriot and he's always going to do what
[8:11] he thinks is in the best interest of the
[8:13] country. I think that's what many
[8:14] individuals uh do every day is decide
[8:17] what's best.
[8:18] >> But Mr. Loose, what was different
[8:19] yesterday than was the situation a month
[8:23] ago or 6 weeks ago? people knew that
[8:25] there was a strong likelihood this would
[8:27] go into the House of Representatives and
[8:29] all of a sudden that seemed to be a
[8:30] determining influence with Ross Perez.
[8:32] >> Well, I don't think it was all of a
[8:34] sudden. Uh, as you've heard Ross himself
[8:37] say, he's an engineer. He made an
[8:40] analytical decision. It wasn't one based
[8:42] upon an event at 8:07 or 809 or on a
[8:46] particular day. Ross is a guy that's uh
[8:49] very observant. had studied this uh
[8:51] situation for a good while and then made
[8:53] a decision and announced his decision.
[8:56] >> Were there regrets uh among the people
[8:58] down there? The feeling that we were we
[9:01] were okay as long as this was a sort of
[9:04] naent grassroots movement when we had to
[9:06] make the transition to an organized
[9:08] campaign we couldn't do it. Was there a
[9:10] feeling that we should have done
[9:11] something? I say we meaning you should
[9:14] have done something differently.
[9:16] >> No. Well, I tell you what I felt in
[9:18] talking to people across the country. Uh
[9:20] I saw a real sense of uh empowerment.
[9:22] People uh felt like that they had come
[9:25] together. They had come together and put
[9:27] Ross on the petition. They had forced
[9:29] onto the table onto the nation's agenda,
[9:32] if you will, certain economic issues.
[9:34] There was a sense they were going to
[9:35] remain united and push forward. You
[9:37] know, Charlie, one thing Ross always
[9:39] said, uh the problems that this country
[9:42] faces are not going to be corrected by
[9:44] one person. It's going to require all of
[9:47] us to get more involved, more engaged,
[9:49] and I think there was a sense of
[9:50] empowerment that I felt in talking to
[9:52] people yesterday.
[9:53] >> Just quick final question. There are a
[9:54] lot of volunteers who want to keep this
[9:56] going. Is Ross Perau in any way
[9:59] encouraging them to do that on his
[10:02] behalf?
[10:03] >> No, I I think he's been clear that he's
[10:06] made a decision that he thinks is in the
[10:08] best interest of the country.
[10:10] >> Tom Loose, what do you do now?
[10:12] >> Well, uh, I'm going to go back to work.
[10:15] as does he. I appreciate you being with
[10:17] us this morning. Thank you for being
[10:19] here. It's coming up now on 15 minutes
[10:22] after the hour. How to make political
[10:23] hay from the demise of the Perau
[10:26] campaign. How do the Democrats and
[10:27] Republicans think
[10:33] >> Dallas, Texas, headquarters for Ross
[10:35] Perau's grassroots campaign.
[10:37] >> I'm not alone in feeling the way that we
[10:38] don't want to vote for Bush. We don't
[10:40] want to vote for Clinton. We wanted to
[10:42] vote for Ross. He really wanted to make
[10:44] a difference and and and work for
[10:46] America. I don't you know I really he
[10:48] really meant that. I mean that was the
[10:49] truth.
[10:49] >> People want to know what they can do to
[10:51] get him to persuade him to come back
[10:52] again.
[10:54] >> With Ross Perau out of the race,
[10:56] Governor Clinton and President Bush both
[10:58] made plays for his supporters yesterday.
[11:00] But what do they have to do to turn his
[11:02] departure into a windfall for them? With
[11:04] us now, representatives of each
[11:06] campaign. Mary Matlin is deputy campaign
[11:08] manager for the Bush Quail ticket. She's
[11:10] joining us in Washington. Senator John
[11:12] Bro of Louisiana is chairman of the
[11:13] Democratic Leadership Council which has
[11:15] been steering the party on its current
[11:17] course and he's with me here in our
[11:18] studio. I thank both of you for being
[11:20] with us. Senator, let me start with you.
[11:22] This changes the political equation. How
[11:24] does it change it for Bill Clinton?
[11:26] >> I think it's an opportunity for Bill
[11:28] Clinton, Charlie. We now have a whole
[11:29] group of voters who have already made
[11:31] one very important decision and that
[11:33] decision is that they were not for
[11:34] President Bush for re-election. That's
[11:36] why they were involved in the parole
[11:37] campaign in the first place.
[11:38] >> Well, they were not for Bill Clinton
[11:39] either. Yeah, but they knew George Bush.
[11:41] They don't know Bill Clinton. That's a
[11:42] big difference. George Bush has been
[11:43] there for 12 years as vice president and
[11:45] president. These people were unhappy
[11:47] with the status quo. And who better
[11:49] represents the status quo of the last 12
[11:51] years than President George Bush. Bill
[11:53] Clinton now has an opportunity to tell
[11:55] these people that he also is opposed to
[11:58] the status quo and wants to make some
[11:59] change. The pro voters stood for change
[12:02] and I think it's going to be very
[12:03] difficult for George Bush to say, "I'm
[12:05] the change candidate." He can't do that.
[12:07] >> All right. I'll come back to that point
[12:08] in a minute. Mary, let me ask you, how
[12:09] does the equation change for the
[12:11] president, George Bush?
[12:13] >> Well, we're the uh electoral map comes
[12:15] back into play for us. Certainly, a
[12:17] three-way race made it very complicated
[12:19] for both candidacies, but in a two-way
[12:21] race, we uh go back to our electoral
[12:23] advantage, our strength in the South,
[12:24] our strength in the West, and um our
[12:26] competitiveness in the in the
[12:28] battleground states of the Midwest.
[12:30] >> Yeah, let me come back to that because
[12:32] Mary makes a very important point. There
[12:34] was a strategy a lot of people felt and
[12:35] indeed even Clinton people talked about
[12:38] choosing Al Gore cementing perhaps a 40%
[12:41] base in the south which would be enough
[12:42] to win there puts a lot of states in the
[12:44] west in play perhaps since you don't
[12:46] need more than 50% anymore. All that
[12:48] strategy is out the window. Strategy on
[12:50] which Clinton may have based his
[12:51] campaign.
[12:51] >> Oh no, the strategy was not based on a
[12:53] three-way race at all. It was based on a
[12:55] uh a new party, a new way of thinking.
[12:57] Uh we're not only the comeback kid and
[12:59] candidate, we are also the comeback
[13:01] party. It's a new emphasis. It's a
[13:03] different platform. Uh you heard last
[13:05] night things that Democrats had not
[13:06] normally talked about, responsibility
[13:08] and opportunity and community, giving
[13:11] something back to government. I think it
[13:12] was a strong emphasis on family values.
[13:14] That message is going to sell throughout
[13:16] this country and particularly in the
[13:18] south whether Ross Barau is on the
[13:20] ticket or not.
[13:20] >> Mary, let me take the senator's point to
[13:22] you, which is that Bill Clinton has
[13:25] talked about change over and over again
[13:26] if I hear the word one more time. Uh and
[13:29] those were words coming from Ross Perau
[13:32] as well. So why isn't that the natural
[13:34] place for the Perau supporters to land?
[13:37] >> Because Bill Clinton talks about change,
[13:39] but Bill Clinton is not proposing
[13:41] change. The centerpiece of this uh
[13:44] so-called change candidacy is the 22page
[13:46] economic term paper, which calls for tax
[13:50] increases twice as high as Manddale
[13:52] Cox's combined, and spending increases
[13:55] three times as high as Manddale's
[13:58] combined. That has not changed. That is
[14:00] the same old compulsive spending that
[14:02] the Democrats cannot get away from. His
[14:05] choice of vice presidents, Al Gore, was
[14:07] named by the National Taxpayers Union,
[14:09] not our group, nonpartisan group, as the
[14:11] Senate's biggest spender. His choice of
[14:13] vice president has been uh given the
[14:16] National Journal rating of 000
[14:19] conservative compared to the good
[14:20] Senator uh Bro here whose rating is 64%.
[14:24] These guys are liberals. They're the
[14:25] same old ticket and they are not for
[14:27] change. They can talk about it, but
[14:29] they're not. Talking doesn't make it so.
[14:31] >> All right. Wobbititus Mary has
[14:32] introduced positions into this, so I
[14:34] should give you a chance to respond.
[14:36] >> They weren't saying that about Al Gore
[14:37] when he helped him on the Persian Gulf.
[14:38] They thought he was a fine United States
[14:40] senator. I think the other thing is that
[14:42] let me let's face facts. I mean, the
[14:44] Republican party was going after Perau
[14:46] with knives in the front and in the
[14:47] back. I mean, how can they say now that
[14:49] this is a guy that we want on our team?
[14:51] They were stabbing him every day.
[14:52] >> All right, let me turn to that.
[14:53] >> Let's the record. Let me get on the
[14:54] record here. It was on April 24th that
[14:57] Bill Clinton took the first swipe at
[14:59] Perau. I remember because I remember
[15:00] being stunned. I thought it was very
[15:02] early. The reason no one paid attention
[15:03] to that was because no one was paying
[15:05] attention to Bill Clinton then. It was
[15:07] only a month later that the Democratic
[15:08] National Chairman Ron Brown called him a
[15:10] little dictator. This is way before we
[15:13] said anything about Ross Perau. We would
[15:15] did not engage in this thing till it was
[15:17] uh ostensibly evident that this was a
[15:19] three-way race and he was into it to
[15:21] stay. So, let's not talk about who had
[15:22] the long knives on. I will still say the
[15:24] best line of this whole convention was
[15:26] Zel Miller and it was a surgical strike
[15:28] right at Ross Burrell. So let's let's
[15:30] not
[15:30] >> Well, their words may have been little
[15:32] dictator. The vice president's words
[15:33] were temperamental tycoon. I mean
[15:35] neither one of you had very nice things
[15:36] to say about now all of a sudden you're
[15:38] falling all over yourselves uh to say
[15:40] nice things about Ross Perau. But why
[15:42] I'm just curious about that. Why not say
[15:44] look you volunteers of Perau he cut you
[15:47] off at the pass. He put you out on a
[15:48] limb and he saw the limb off. I don't
[15:50] know what terrible analogy you want to
[15:51] use but why aren't you saying that? And
[15:53] as you appeal for his supporters,
[15:55] >> I think the pro uh supporters must
[15:57] Charlie really be frustrated this
[15:58] morning because they feel they have been
[15:59] left hanging and I think basically these
[16:01] people are against the status quo. They
[16:03] frustrated with politics and George Bush
[16:05] has been there for 12 years and need
[16:07] somebody new.
[16:08] >> Quick word, Mary. You want them. I know.
[16:09] >> Last word. This ticket is not new. It's
[16:11] a younger version of the same old stuff.
[16:13] >> All right. Thanks very much, Mary
[16:14] Madlin. Senator John Brook. Appreciate
[16:16] you both.
[16:19] >> House. Last night, Clinton accepted the
[16:21] Democratic nomination with a call for a
[16:23] new covenant between Americans and their
[16:25] government. The key to the Clinton
[16:27] message is that things cannot stay the
[16:30] same.
[16:32] >> I have news for the forces of greed and
[16:34] the defenders of the status quo. Your
[16:36] time has come and gone. It's time for a
[16:40] change in America.
[16:42] >> Clinton and running mate Al Gore hope
[16:43] their message will appeal to middle
[16:45] America. And this morning, Vice
[16:47] President Quail reacted to the speech.
[16:51] >> I was impressed about how they attempted
[16:55] to use the Republican philosophy to
[16:58] change their image. Uh they actually
[17:00] spoke about values, empowering people,
[17:04] the middle class, and a strong America.
[17:08] Well, on a personal note, I'm delighted
[17:11] to see that they recognize that we have
[17:14] been right and they have been wrong.
[17:17] >> Regina Blakeley now has a sampling of
[17:19] how that message plays with a new
[17:21] generation of voters. North side.
[17:24] >> As Clinton and Gore officially began
[17:26] their quest for the White House, the
[17:27] baby boomer ticket was being cheered on
[17:29] by a group of youthful supporters.
[17:36] >> On the opposite coast, just blocks away
[17:38] from Madison Square Garden, students
[17:40] from New York University watched
[17:42] intently.
[17:43] >> I'm from a middle class area and there's
[17:45] like a lot of things that I related to
[17:48] and what he said. I thought that uh
[17:50] Clinton brought up all the right issues
[17:52] and he said all the right things, but um
[17:55] I had a hard time being convinced that
[17:58] uh he was going to follow through with
[17:59] everything he said.
[18:00] >> But an Arkansas supporter felt Clinton's
[18:02] effort to define himself was successful
[18:05] >> tonight. I think he came across and uh
[18:07] let people know who Bill Clinton really
[18:08] is. If if you didn't know before
[18:10] tonight, I think the people know now. At
[18:13] Linda Goldstein's home in Boston, a
[18:15] group of friends, both Republican and
[18:17] Democrat, listened for the words that
[18:19] would convince them to support the
[18:20] ticket.
[18:21] >> And I believe still he is the consmate
[18:24] politician. Slick Willie, I think, fits.
[18:26] >> Jen C is a Republican who, like
[18:28] Clinton's strong pro-choice stance. For
[18:31] me as a woman, um the choice, the the
[18:34] pro-choice issue is obviously very
[18:37] important and for me it will be uh very
[18:40] possibly a swing issue.
[18:41] >> In his attempt to bring in the Perau
[18:43] supporters, it appears Clinton has more
[18:45] work ahead of him.
[18:47] >> After hearing Clinton's speech, I'm
[18:48] still not swayed 100%. I'm a little
[18:51] worried about Clinton um on
[18:54] international affairs. Bush hasn't
[18:56] brought those people together. Um
[18:58] whether Clinton can do it or not, we'll
[19:00] see. They all talk.
[19:02] >> Regina Blakeley, CBS News, New York.
[19:05] >> Ross Perau did some talking yesterday
[19:06] and many of his hard-working supporters
[19:08] are still in shock this morning over
[19:10] what they heard. The Texas billionaire
[19:13] announced he was convinced he could not
[19:15] win in November. So, he was quitting the
[19:17] campaign. For staffers and volunteers
[19:19] around the country were stunned, some
[19:21] saying they feel betrayed.
[19:24] In other news, controversy over the
[19:25] album Body Count by rap artist Ice Tea
[19:28] disrupted the harmony at Time Warner's
[19:30] annual meeting yesterday. Police
[19:32] officers and police widows picketed the
[19:34] meeting and after Charlton H blasted the
[19:36] company for defending the album on First
[19:38] Amendment grounds.
[19:41] >> Body Count does an awful lot more than
[19:44] yell fire. It celebrates the murder of a
[19:47] police officers. That's a a specific and
[19:52] more harshly punishable crime in several
[19:54] states.
[19:55] >> H made his comments at a news conference
[19:57] called by the conservative watchdog
[19:59] group Accuracy in Media. That's the news
[20:02] of 25 minutes before the hour. Time to
[20:03] check in with Mark Mchuan right now.
[20:05] Good morning again.
[20:06] >> Good morning Paula. This weather segment
[20:07] is sponsored by Foldier Coffee.
[20:09] >> This morning, Democratic strategist Bob
[20:11] Beckl and Fred Barnes of the New
[20:12] Republic. Good morning.
[20:13] >> Good morning.
[20:14] >> Governor Clinton had to deliver the
[20:16] speech of his life last night. Did he do
[20:17] that in 52 minutes? Fred Barnes.
[20:19] >> Uh, it seemed longer uh than 52 minutes.
[20:22] He brevity is not his strength. I think
[20:24] I think we can be clear on that. It was
[20:26] a pretty good speech. Not an astonishing
[20:27] speech. If this hadn't other if this had
[20:29] been an otherwise uh rockus convention
[20:32] uh with a lot of disscent, people would
[20:34] have said, "Gee, we're in trouble." But
[20:36] since it was such a successful
[20:37] convention and the speech was okay, then
[20:39] I think he's fine.
[20:40] >> Does he get any pop out of it last
[20:41] night?
[20:41] >> Oh, yeah. He gets a lot of pop out of
[20:43] it. You're very kind this morning. Guy
[20:45] gave a nice speech. I'll tell you one
[20:47] thing about that speech though, Paula.
[20:48] He could not have given that speech at a
[20:50] Democratic convention eight years ago,
[20:51] maybe even four years ago. That was an
[20:53] awfully moderate speech for a Democratic
[20:55] convention. And what Bill Clinton has
[20:57] done, if nothing else, is set a new tone
[20:58] for the Democratic party. And you've got
[21:00] to give him credit. I thought the
[21:01] rhetoric was quite soaring myself. Move
[21:03] me.
[21:03] >> Without Mr. Perau in the race, does
[21:05] choosing Mr. Gore look dumb?
[21:09] >> Well, I wouldn't call it dumb, but there
[21:10] was a southern strategy. I mean, it was
[21:12] predicated partly on the fact that Ross
[21:13] Perau is running. means southern and
[21:15] border states that Democrats usually
[21:17] don't win are now winnable. Uh well,
[21:19] >> does Clinton have a viable southern
[21:21] strategy?
[21:21] >> He doesn't really have one now. I don't
[21:23] think he has one now. Florida and Texas
[21:25] are states where Bush goes into it with
[21:27] a huge edge and so do all the states
[21:29] across the deep south and all the way up
[21:30] to Virginia. So the Gore selection
[21:33] doesn't look quite as good. I think
[21:34] you'll agree with that.
[21:34] >> Yeah, I I do. But see, I never really
[21:36] believed that they believe they could
[21:37] carry the Deep South. I think part of
[21:39] this Gore equation was they actually do
[21:41] get along together. They both got ideas
[21:42] and the generational thing. They need to
[21:44] win four or five states and they've all
[21:45] got to be border states. They're not
[21:46] going to win the deep south. They they
[21:48] talk about Florida, forget it. Texas
[21:50] maybe, maybe outside possibility, but
[21:52] four or five states, that's about all
[21:53] they can expect to get out of there. So,
[21:54] think about it more as a tone and
[21:56] generational ticket as a as a southern
[21:58] strategy because as a southern strategy,
[21:59] it's not really there,
[22:00] >> but that was part of their thinking.
[22:02] >> Well, let's talk about the revitalized
[22:03] Democratic party. Could you believe your
[22:05] ears yesterday when you heard the
[22:06] president say some nice things about Mr.
[22:08] Perau?
[22:09] >> Yeah. First of all, the thing that
[22:10] struck me about the president sort of
[22:12] coming off his fishing trip and grling
[22:14] for parole voters. He's he praised his
[22:16] wisdom when for four weeks they've been
[22:18] questioning this guy's judgment and
[22:19] wisdom on everything, including up at
[22:21] Barbara Bush, this carpet bombing of
[22:23] this guy, right? And all of a sudden now
[22:24] he's a man of great wisdom and stature.
[22:27] I thought it was just about as as I
[22:29] don't know disingenuous as I've ever
[22:31] seen this guy be. And I've seen him be
[22:32] disingenous in a lot of things.
[22:33] >> Does that remark play at all?
[22:35] >> Once again, overnight's a lifetime in
[22:37] politics. But look, he wants to win
[22:38] these pro voters back. Remember, this
[22:40] was a guy, the temperamental tycoon with
[22:42] contempt for the Constitution, as Dan
[22:43] Quayle called it. Now, he's a dynamic
[22:45] leader who's energizing the process. But
[22:48] Bob, the Democrats did the same thing.
[22:49] You know, they had Zel Miller pounded
[22:51] pro in his speech in in his keynote
[22:53] speech. And last night, both Al Gore and
[22:55] Bill Clinton were saying nice things
[22:57] about
[22:57] >> You're the guy when I said Zel Miller
[22:59] said that there was a big deal. You said
[23:00] it wasn't a big deal. Come on.
[23:02] >> I'm on your side now. Give you the
[23:03] benefit of the doubt.
[23:04] >> At the end of the week, I got you. Let's
[23:05] talk about what happens to Perau
[23:07] supporters. Will you see a Perau
[23:09] endorsement of the Clinton Gore ticket?
[23:10] >> I think you could see it u and I think
[23:13] what Perau said yesterday about the
[23:14] Democratic party, he did not talk about
[23:15] a revitalized Republican party. But
[23:18] Perau himself is not going to be very
[23:19] important within a month or two or maybe
[23:21] even less than that, but his voters are
[23:22] out there because they want change. And
[23:23] I think Clinton does have an advantage
[23:25] on that. The other question, of course,
[23:26] is are they going to turn out? My guess
[23:28] is a lot of them are just going to be so
[23:29] disappointed they they're not.
[23:30] >> Does Mr. Bush need Mr. Baker to make
[23:32] that happen? To make them turn out for
[23:34] the Bush
[23:35] He needs a lot more than Mr. Baker for
[23:37] that to happen. He needs to get
[23:38] personally energized. And I mean,
[23:40] somebody needs to light a fire under
[23:41] President Bush. Maybe Jim Baker can do
[23:43] that. But but just think how the pro
[23:45] voters have to feel here. This guy,
[23:46] they've not been involved in politics.
[23:48] Uh because they don't trust the
[23:50] establishment and the political class.
[23:51] They're drawn in by this guy who says,
[23:52] "Just get me on the ballot and I'll give
[23:54] you this worldass campaign." And then
[23:56] the rug's pulled right out from under
[23:59] thin screen quitter is a good line. But,
[24:01] you know, he's also going to be on the
[24:02] ballot. Now, if you want in a lot of
[24:04] these states, if he doesn't take himself
[24:05] off, you can still vote for the guy four
[24:07] or 5%. One other thing, though, I do
[24:09] want to say about the Bush strategy. If
[24:10] the Clinton campaign will let the
[24:12] rhetoric of last night quiet down, the
[24:13] sound they will hear is of incoming
[24:16] mortar fire. They're going to wait about
[24:17] one day and the Republicans are going to
[24:19] do try to do to Clinton what they did to
[24:21] Perau. Clinton was smart last night
[24:23] though. They he knows they're going to
[24:24] attack they're going to attack him on
[24:25] Arkansas and his record down there. And
[24:27] so, he sort of built a little wall
[24:28] around Arkansas saying it's a nice small
[24:30] state. Come on down and see it. You
[24:31] going to go down and see it for?
[24:32] >> It won't work. I will go down. 10
[24:33] seconds left. Look, Arkansas, he's going
[24:35] to be attacked on that. But again, his
[24:37] character and whether you trust him or
[24:39] not is going to be the big issue.
[24:40] Republicans are going to talk about it,
[24:41] but so are voters.
[24:42] >> All I'm going to say is you're a pretty
[24:43] good character and it's been a pleasure
[24:45] working with you this week.
[24:46] >> Oh my goodness. You guys are actually
[24:47] talking at the end,
[24:49] >> right? And Bob, thanks so much. Perry
[24:51] 18.