Nightline (ABC) - 1999-06-03
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[0:41] >> June 3rd,
[0:42] 1999.
[0:45] Peace.
[0:46] >> Yugoslavia may be talking the talk, but
[0:50] based on our past experience,
[0:53] we must also be cautious.
[0:55] >> This is a time for caution, not
[0:57] celebration.
[0:57] >> For now, we will remain cautious.
[0:59] >> But Washington wants to see the Serb
[1:01] army
[1:02] >> [music]
[1:02] >> walk the walk.
[1:03] >> At this point, not a single Serb soldier
[1:06] has withdrawn from Kosovo.
[1:07] >> Verifiable deeds, not seductive words,
[1:10] [music] are the only currency that
[1:12] counts
[1:13] in this conflict.
[1:15] >> Is it too good to be true?
[1:16] >> If this were to break down, the
[1:18] president has said
[1:19] that we're not going to fail. We have to
[1:21] win.
[1:21] >> [music]
[1:23] >> Tonight,
[1:24] is Yugoslavia on the brink of peace?
[1:29] >> [music]
[1:33] >> From ABC News,
[1:38] this is Nightline. [music]
[1:41] Reporting from Washington,
[1:43] Ted Koppel.
[1:46] >> Slobodan Milosevic is certainly [music]
[1:47] not known in the international community
[1:50] as a man whose word is his bond.
[1:52] >> [music]
[1:53] >> Throughout the '90s, he has made any
[1:54] number of commitments in the face of
[1:56] international pressure only to ignore
[1:59] them once the pressure has eased.
[2:01] Certainly for these last 70 days or so,
[2:04] the president of Yugoslavia has been
[2:05] under more intense pressure than at any
[2:08] time in his presidency. His air force
[2:11] has been largely destroyed as have his
[2:13] country's power plants and oil storage
[2:15] facilities. Some of the buildings in
[2:18] which he, his friends and family worked
[2:20] and lived have been bombed.
[2:22] He has been indicted as a war criminal
[2:25] and whether or not the threat was
[2:26] credible, there remains the prospect of
[2:28] a NATO invasion on the ground.
[2:31] Now, however, the question becomes what
[2:33] Milosevic can achieve in defining and
[2:36] settling the terms of a peace agreement.
[2:39] NATO says it won't negotiate with him,
[2:42] but if you wonder what can be salvaged
[2:44] from a military defeat at the hands of a
[2:46] Western alliance, you need look no
[2:48] further than Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
[2:52] The atmosphere today is hopeful, but the
[2:55] Clinton administration is being
[2:57] extremely cautious and not claiming too
[2:59] much too soon.
[3:01] We begin with this report from Nightline
[3:03] correspondent Dave Marash.
[3:06] >> In much of Serbia and especially in
[3:08] Kosovo, this day began like most others
[3:11] these past 10 weeks with NATO war planes
[3:14] overhead.
[3:16] But by mid-morning in Belgrade, the
[3:17] Yugoslav parliament had voted in favor
[3:20] of a proposal for peace backed by
[3:23] President Milosevic's party. The terms
[3:25] dictated by NATO and the European Union
[3:28] were accepted by a nearly two-to-one
[3:30] majority. In vehement opposition,
[3:33] Milosevic's radical nationalist vice
[3:35] premier Vojislav Seselj, leader of a
[3:38] violent paramilitary group as well as a
[3:40] political party. But ABC newsman Bob
[3:43] Woodruff in Belgrade says Seselj's
[3:46] dissent may not matter much.
[3:48] >> Seselj is clearly trying to exploit the
[3:49] anger and the nationalist feelings of
[3:51] certain people here, some military
[3:53] members, possibly soldiers coming back
[3:55] from the war. But the feeling is here he
[3:57] does not have the people to pull this
[3:59] off.
[4:00] >> At NATO headquarters in Brussels, news
[4:02] of the Belgrade vote was greeted with
[4:04] caution.
[4:05] >> NATO has no comment to make at this
[4:07] point
[4:08] and will not do so until the North
[4:11] Atlantic Council has received an
[4:13] authoritative report on the outcome of
[4:17] the talks.
[4:18] >> The same cautious tone at the State
[4:20] Department.
[4:20] >> We're going to be looking for
[4:23] implementation, implementation, and
[4:25] implementation because it is only
[4:27] implementation of NATO's conditions that
[4:30] will lead to a peaceful resolution of
[4:31] this crisis. And what that means in
[4:34] practice with respect to the air
[4:36] campaign is the beginning of a
[4:38] verifiable withdrawal of all military,
[4:41] paramilitary, and police forces from
[4:43] Kosovo according to a rapid timetable.
[4:47] >> Shortly after Rubin's briefing, Russian
[4:49] negotiator Victor Chernomyrdin returned
[4:51] to Moscow from Belgrade. And
[4:53] significantly, Chernomyrdin's stance was
[4:56] defensive, denying that he had sold out
[4:58] the Serbs or Russian interests in
[5:01] pushing NATO's terms for peace.
[5:04] Chernomyrdin drew praise from his fellow
[5:06] mediator, Finnish President Martti
[5:08] Ahtisaari, who revealed the key meeting
[5:10] in the peace process was not the one
[5:12] with Milosevic yesterday in Belgrade,
[5:15] but a much longer one the night before
[5:17] in Germany.
[5:18] >> What was important
[5:21] even if our trip to Belgrade was delayed
[5:24] somewhat
[5:26] that we could present a united front.
[5:29] >> In other words, what was important was
[5:31] to get Chernomyrdin to sing strictly
[5:33] NATO's tune so that in the meeting with
[5:36] Milosevic, the label on the peace offer
[5:38] read take it or leave it.
[5:40] >> Then I was asked whether it would be
[5:42] possible for them to suggest
[5:44] improvements.
[5:46] I had to say in no uncertain terms that
[5:49] I or Mr. Cernamudin didn't have any
[5:52] authority to negotiate this paper. That
[5:55] it was the best offer that the
[5:56] international community was in a
[5:59] position to make.
[6:00] >> Good afternoon. Clearly, this was the
[6:02] music White House ears have been waiting
[6:04] to hear. Within hours of Autissari's
[6:07] news conference, President Clinton
[6:09] personally endorsed the rising tide of
[6:12] careful enthusiasm.
[6:13] >> Movement by the Serbian leadership to
[6:15] accept these conditions
[6:17] established by NATO and the
[6:19] international community
[6:20] is, of course, welcome.
[6:23] But based on our past experience,
[6:27] we must also be cautious.
[6:29] >> Closer to Kosovo, in the refugee camps
[6:31] of Macedonia, reaction was similar. A
[6:34] hopeful desire to return home balanced
[6:37] by skepticism that Milosevic will carry
[6:39] out what he's agreed to. ABC's Sheila
[6:42] McVicar in Macedonia.
[6:44] >> As the news spread throughout the camps
[6:45] this afternoon, people here were very
[6:47] skeptical about this deal. They said to
[6:49] us, "How can we go back to Kosovo and
[6:52] live again with Serbs? Live again in
[6:54] Kosovo knowing that there is even one
[6:56] Serb policeman or one Serb soldier left
[6:59] there after what has happened to us."
[7:00] They talked again about all the trauma
[7:02] that they have endured, about being
[7:03] forced from their homes, seeing their
[7:05] homes burned, the looting, the
[7:07] massacres, the rapes. They said, "How
[7:09] can we go back and live again with
[7:10] them?" They wanted, they said, an
[7:12] independent Kosovo. And what this deal
[7:14] does is put them back inside Serbia, and
[7:18] they say that's simply not acceptable.
[7:20] >> The pace of peace may be picking up.
[7:22] NATO commander General Wesley Clark is
[7:25] reported ready to go to Belgrade to
[7:27] negotiate a Serb military withdrawal by
[7:29] this weekend. But even so, late today,
[7:32] both Defense Secretary Cohen
[7:34] >> At this point, not a single Serb soldier
[7:37] has withdrawn from Kosovo, and we have
[7:39] to keep that in mind as we view the
[7:42] uh workings of today.
[7:43] >> And Secretary of State Albright kept the
[7:46] blinking yellow light on their traffic
[7:49] signals.
[7:49] >> That the confrontation cannot end until
[7:52] these terms are complied with and
[7:54] implemented. As a result, caution is the
[7:57] word of the day.
[7:59] >> Why such reticence on what could be seen
[8:01] as a day of triumph?
[8:03] Because of this unasked and still
[8:05] perhaps unanswerable question.
[8:08] What if Milosevic welches on this deal
[8:11] as he has on others in the past? At the
[8:13] White House tonight, the
[8:14] philosopher-in-chief is Yogi Berra who
[8:17] said so memorably, "It ain't over till
[8:20] it's over." I'm Dave Marash for
[8:22] Nightline in Washington.
[8:24] >> In a moment, a conversation we recorded
[8:27] earlier this evening with the
[8:28] president's national security advisor,
[8:31] Sandy Berger.
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[11:00] >> And joining me now is National Security
[11:02] Advisor Sandy Berger. Were you a little
[11:03] surprised when Milosevic immediately
[11:06] accepted, the Serb Parliament
[11:08] immediately accepted? I mean, it all
[11:09] happened in a matter of hours, very
[11:11] quickly.
[11:12] >> Well,
[11:13] >> [clears throat]
[11:13] >> we've been, of course, engaged in this
[11:14] enterprise for
[11:16] over 70 days. Um
[11:19] so I uh uh
[11:20] uh this is just uh day 71.
[11:24] Um
[11:25] I I think, Ted, that this is a a
[11:27] positive development. Uh that the fact
[11:30] that he has accepted uh
[11:32] the the plan put forward by Ahtisaari
[11:34] and uh Chernomyrdin that embodies uh our
[11:36] conditions.
[11:38] Um as you note uh
[11:40] uh this is a man uh uh who has not
[11:43] always complied uh with what he's agreed
[11:46] uh that is why the bombing continues uh
[11:49] and will continue uh until we see uh
[11:52] demonstral evidence uh of a full-scale
[11:55] withdrawal.
[11:55] >> You have been very careful all along to
[11:57] say we're not negotiating with
[11:59] Milosevic. Right? No negotiation.
[12:02] Uh but there is still a lot to be
[12:04] determined. There are a lot of
[12:06] discussions that have to be held. Uh
[12:08] what diplomats like to call modalities.
[12:11] That can slip very easily into something
[12:14] that resembles a negotiation.
[12:16] >> don't believe so cuz the basic
[12:17] conditions that we have always said are
[12:20] number one
[12:21] there has to be a cessation of
[12:23] hostilities, a verifiable cessation of
[12:25] hostilities.
[12:27] Uh number two uh there has to be uh ob-
[12:30] obviously an opportunity for the
[12:32] refugees to return. Number three, there
[12:34] has to be uh the exit of all Serb uh
[12:37] forces. And number four there has to be
[12:41] uh the acceptance of a international
[12:43] security presence we said with NATO at
[12:45] its core that is unified command and
[12:47] control led by NATO.
[12:48] >> What does What does What does that mean
[12:50] though? I mean for example, when you say
[12:51] NATO at its core, if the Russians let's
[12:53] say want to take one section of Kosovo
[12:56] and they say let NATO take another
[12:58] section, that would be a de facto
[12:59] partition.
[13:00] >> No, but that would not happen. We would
[13:01] not accept that. That is not what it was
[13:03] laid before Mr. Milosevic. That is not
[13:06] what he purports to have accepted. We
[13:09] have Mr. Ahtisaari, President Ahtisaari
[13:10] made it very clear to Mr. Milosevic
[13:13] that what we're talking about here is a
[13:16] force that has a unified command and
[13:18] control with NATO and NATO-led force.
[13:21] Uh we can't compromise on that.
[13:24] Uh Ted, let me let me tell you why.
[13:26] We would not participate in a force that
[13:28] did not have was not NATO-led.
[13:30] Um number one. Number two, and if we
[13:33] don't participate, I don't believe
[13:35] uh the Kosovars will return.
[13:37] Uh and number three, we need a strong
[13:40] force there uh not only to restore
[13:43] security uh but to
[13:46] uh help uh
[13:47] achieve the uh demilitarization, for
[13:49] example, of the Kosovars, which is
[13:51] something the Serbs want.
[13:52] >> Let me put forward to you, I mean, this
[13:54] is a very dangerous game to try to get
[13:55] into Milosevic's mind. Let's assume that
[13:57] he is as crafty as he has always been in
[13:59] the past.
[14:01] And conversations begin sometime in the
[14:04] next few days between NATO generals and
[14:07] Serb generals, other conversations get
[14:09] underway.
[14:10] Two weeks pass, three weeks pass, the
[14:12] window that we've all been hearing about
[14:15] for these last few weeks for assembling
[14:17] a ground force that might have to go
[14:20] into Kosovo if we are to avoid refugees
[14:24] being stuck in the camps in winter, that
[14:26] window passes, Milosevic changes his
[14:29] mind. Well, uh I don't think we can
[14:31] permit that to happen. Let's be clear
[14:33] about a few things. Number one, as we're
[14:35] sitting here this evening NATO bombing
[14:37] continues, and it will continue uh until
[14:40] there's not only the acceptance of these
[14:41] conditions, but as I said uh the
[14:44] beginning the demo- the demonstrable
[14:46] beginning of uh
[14:48] uh verifiable beginning of a full-scale
[14:50] withdrawal.
[14:51] Uh
[14:53] uh so number one um and uh
[14:56] uh uh if uh
[14:59] uh he seeks to drag this on,
[15:01] uh uh then clearly uh
[15:04] uh this has not been uh a step taken in
[15:07] good faith. He's indicated a rapid
[15:09] timetable. He's agreed to 7 days.
[15:12] >> Uh 7 days for
[15:14] >> 7 days to withdraw his forces once uh
[15:17] uh
[15:17] once they begin. Um and
[15:20] >> But but when but when would it begin?
[15:21] That that hasn't been determined yet.
[15:23] >> Well, that's what these military talks
[15:25] will establish, but I don't you know I
[15:26] would not imagine that we're going to
[15:28] sit around a table and and
[15:30] and discuss this ad nauseam. The bombing
[15:33] will continue
[15:35] and we're not going to rule out any
[15:37] other option or preclude any option by a
[15:40] stall tactic here.
[15:41] >> But you understand better than anyone
[15:43] what I'm talking about. The the
[15:45] expectation was that if indeed you were
[15:48] going to have
[15:50] a significantly larger, in other words,
[15:52] a a ground force that would have to go
[15:54] into a hostile environment,
[15:57] that you would have to make those
[15:58] decisions and begin those plans in the
[16:01] next two to three weeks. Are those plans
[16:02] moving forward?
[16:04] >> Uh the president's made very clear Ted
[16:06] that
[16:07] no options including the one you're
[16:08] talking about is off the table.
[16:11] Uh
[16:12] we've also made clear that NATO has
[16:14] undertaken
[16:16] a full
[16:18] assessment of that option and others. Um
[16:23] there are a number of ways in which
[16:24] force can be applied in in in Kosovo.
[16:27] Let me finish my point.
[16:30] And there are a number of timelines.
[16:33] But we're obviously not going to get
[16:35] engaged in a protracted discussion with
[16:37] Milosevic which would essentially
[16:40] preclude options
[16:42] that that would be necessary to resolve
[16:44] this.
[16:45] >> We've got to take a short break, but
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[19:41] >> And we're back once again with Sandy
[19:43] Berger, the National Security Advisor.
[19:44] Explain that 7-day window. When did
[19:46] those 7 days start ticking?
[19:48] >> What he has what is what is included in
[19:50] the Autonomy Plan to which he has
[19:53] apparently agreed today and the Serb
[19:56] Parliament apparently is accepted is
[19:58] that withdrawal with a rapid timetable
[20:01] would be established
[20:03] for the withdrawal
[20:04] that is within 7 days.
[20:07] >> All 40,000 troops and police and extra
[20:12] special units.
[20:13] >> It's not that you know, Kosovo is not
[20:14] that big.
[20:15] >> I know, I understand. But
[20:16] >> You can get you can get out pretty
[20:17] quickly.
[20:17] >> But he's agreed pretty quickly. He's
[20:19] agreed that once they once they start
[20:21] moving out, they will be out in 7 days.
[20:23] >> That is part of the
[20:25] the Autonomy Plan document
[20:27] document to which he
[20:29] proports to agree.
[20:30] >> I'm assuming you keep referring it to
[20:32] the
[20:33] Autonomy Plan document. I assume it's a
[20:35] document that you guys have something to
[20:36] do.
[20:37] >> Well, we certainly it certainly embodies
[20:38] our our conditions and reflects what
[20:43] NATO and the United States have been
[20:44] saying all along.
[20:45] >> Let me just see if I can get you to be a
[20:47] little more precise on
[20:49] just when you think that 7-day clock
[20:52] would start ticking. Now,
[20:53] >> Well, as I say, the next step would be
[20:55] for there to be
[20:57] military-to-military
[20:58] talks
[20:59] or meeting. I would hope that would take
[21:02] place soon
[21:04] between someone from General Clark's
[21:08] NATO operation and the VJ military.
[21:11] There is a the agreement calls for a
[21:15] military technical agreement,
[21:16] essentially a phasing agreement. So that
[21:20] we understand where they're withdrawing
[21:21] from
[21:22] and where we're entering from.
[21:24] >> Do you know how many troops
[21:25] >> and sequencing, but it has to be done.
[21:28] Their air defense system
[21:30] needs to be out in 48 hours and their
[21:33] troops
[21:34] in 7 days and we're going to watch that
[21:35] very carefully.
[21:36] >> Do you know how many troops they've got
[21:37] there?
[21:38] >> Uh
[21:39] >> Do you know how many troops you've
[21:40] killed? I don't mean you, I mean NATO.
[21:42] How many How many How many Yugoslav
[21:44] troops have been killed over the last 70
[21:46] days?
[21:46] >> I think there's been enormous damage
[21:48] done to his military, particularly in
[21:51] Kosovo, both uh
[21:53] equipment and personnel
[21:55] forces in the field. I think we have uh
[21:59] a fairly good idea of uh of what is
[22:03] there and I think again we have adequate
[22:06] means to verify his compliance and we
[22:08] will have within time 50,000 very
[22:13] heavily armed, very
[22:15] robust soldiers on the ground.
[22:18] >> Let me Let me explain where I was going.
[22:19] If in other words, somewhere today I I
[22:22] heard speculation that as many as 5,000
[22:25] Yugoslav troops have been killed and
[22:26] maybe 10,000 injured. If there had been
[22:30] 40,000 troops in there
[22:32] and he is claiming that 15,000 of his
[22:35] troops were either dead or injured, then
[22:36] you would only have 25,000 leaving. On
[22:38] the other hand, that may be a lie. That
[22:40] may be an exaggeration. How will you
[22:42] know?
[22:42] >> He has to have He has to take out all of
[22:44] his forces. We will be able to observe
[22:46] that from the air and we will be on the
[22:48] ground. If there Obviously, if there if
[22:50] there are units or soldiers that remain,
[22:54] they will be escorted out. Uh there
[22:58] >> By By whom?
[22:59] >> By the By the KFOR force.
[23:00] >> And And if they resisted in any way?
[23:02] >> Well, they're they're I I don't think
[23:05] we'll they'll they'll resist a KFOR.
[23:06] That would be a big mistake.
[23:08] >> Because?
[23:09] >> Because the reason why we believe uh
[23:12] there has to be a robust NATO-led force
[23:15] uh is to be able to enforce the
[23:16] agreement if that becomes necessary.
[23:18] >> But I mean, in your mind, do you rule
[23:20] out the possibility that there may be
[23:21] fighting on the ground?
[23:23] >> I don't think one can rule out
[23:26] uh
[23:26] uh
[23:27] any possibility. That's why uh in a
[23:30] state uh Kosovo the size of or an area
[23:33] size of Connecticut will have 50,000 to
[23:36] 52,000 troops.
[23:39] Uh we're going uh in there again,
[23:41] assuming he complies, assuming
[23:43] uh this is serious and real
[23:46] um with overwhelming power. And uh uh I
[23:50] have no doubt that uh uh that we can uh
[23:54] uh
[23:55] enforce this uh agreement.
[23:57] >> Do you accept the notion that time is
[24:00] running out if you if you plan to get
[24:02] the refugees back in by winter?
[24:04] >> I think that there are, as I said
[24:06] before, many ways to use force in in uh
[24:10] in this situation. Uh I think that uh
[24:13] uh there are a number of different
[24:14] timelines. I don't I do not believe uh
[24:18] uh that I believe we have uh ample
[24:20] options if that were to come necessary
[24:22] and the president would make that
[24:23] decision.
[24:24] But let's see first whether um this air
[24:28] campaign as as NATO has conducted it uh
[24:32] in in fact will produce the result that
[24:34] we we hope it will.
[24:36] Uh as I said, I think today's
[24:37] developments are positive, but we're
[24:39] dealing here, as you properly point out
[24:41] in the beginning with Slobodan Milosevic
[24:44] um who uh
[24:46] uh
[24:47] uh can only be judged by what he does.
[24:50] >> Are you at all uncomfortable about
[24:52] dealing with, I'm not saying negotiating
[24:54] with, but dealing with an indicted war
[24:56] criminal?
[24:58] >> Uh we have made very clear from the
[24:59] beginning our military the objectives of
[25:01] this military campaign
[25:03] to enable the Kosovar refugees who have
[25:06] been expelled
[25:07] uh from their homeland back to Kosovo.
[25:11] Uh to get the Serb forces out and get an
[25:13] international security presence in.
[25:16] If we can achieve that objective
[25:18] uh
[25:19] we will have achieved the objectives of
[25:21] the military campaign. Now uh Milosevic
[25:24] uh indicted war criminal
[25:26] uh we take that very seriously.
[25:28] Um we have obligations to the war crimes
[25:31] tribunal.
[25:32] Um and as we now if if in fact again
[25:35] there is uh compliance
[25:37] um and we are able to bring the refugees
[25:39] back
[25:40] and we embark upon not just the United
[25:42] States but Europe and and others
[25:44] an effort to rebuild the Balkans and to
[25:48] deal with this one area of Europe uh
[25:51] that has not really been integrated in
[25:53] the post-Cold War
[25:54] uh Europe. Uh I cannot imagine uh that
[25:58] assistance going to a [music]
[26:00] a Serbia perhaps other than for
[26:01] humanitarian purposes that is led by an
[26:03] indicted war criminal.
[26:04] >> So you're saying if and you're saying A
[26:06] there is going to be
[26:09] a plan of some kind to rebuild Serbia to
[26:11] rebuild Kosovo but you can't imagine
[26:14] that happening as long as Milosevic is
[26:16] still in power.
[26:16] >> I think it's a broader uh concept than
[26:18] just Serbia and Kosovo. Southeastern the
[26:21] Balkans as a whole
[26:23] are the one part of Europe
[26:25] uh
[26:26] that really has not been uh succeeded in
[26:29] the post-Cold War era of being
[26:31] integrated into Europe. We have to look
[26:33] at this in a broader uh sweep but I
[26:36] can't imagine uh as I said before uh
[26:40] uh
[26:41] a any kind of substantial effort other
[26:43] than humanitarian effort with respect to
[26:46] Serbia uh if it is led by Milosevic.
[26:49] >> Mr. Berger, thanks very much. I know
[26:50] it's been a long day for you. Appreciate
[26:52] you coming in.
[26:53] >> Thank you for having me.
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