CNN - NATO bombs Chinese embassy - 1999-05-08 - 10:02 a.m. (E)

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[0:01] process. We do validate the target if

[0:04] they are legitimate military targets

[0:07] with all the informations we can get.

[0:11] These targets then will be placed on the

[0:12] master target list consistent to NATO

[0:16] plans

[0:17] and those targets once they are

[0:19] legitimate we are going to attack.

[0:22] Yeah. I have no evidence that we are

[0:24] using old maps, wrong maps.

[0:28] >> Okay. Mark, please.

[0:30] >> Okay. U couple of points. Um I

[0:33] appreciate that the review process is

[0:35] still underway, but could you at least

[0:37] tell us something which you must know uh

[0:40] which is uh and which can no longer be a

[0:43] necessary secret, which is what kind of

[0:45] weapons were you using? Was this an

[0:47] attack by laser television guided

[0:50] weapons or by um or by television or or

[0:54] by satellite guided munitions such as

[0:56] cruise missiles? Could you at least tell

[0:58] us that? And on the matter of niche, how

[1:01] far away did this bomb miss? It seems

[1:03] quite a long way for a bomb to go over

[1:06] um given your previous record

[1:09] on the NATO. Yes, I do can say you can

[1:13] tell you that it was a NATO aircraft and

[1:15] we did hit um the target which was

[1:18] supposed to be the headquarters of um

[1:21] this um facility we are talk I'm I was

[1:24] talking about with smart weapons.

[1:28] on the niche um part we are the whole

[1:32] process is still um under review as I

[1:35] said we were using cluster bombs on the

[1:39] niche target because as I already

[1:42] mentioned cluster bombs are um used in

[1:45] um aerial targets where we know that

[1:49] collateral damage could not occur and as

[1:53] we are under review it would be a

[1:54] speculation if I would continue.

[1:58] And the reason why some of the clusters

[2:02] obviously did go astray or maybe

[2:07] because of technical malfunction could

[2:09] have been inadvertedly released.

[2:12] >> Okay, Pavle, please.

[2:14] >> Thank you, Jimmy. Uh, General, can you

[2:16] tell us how many bombs uh did hit the

[2:20] embassy? Was it just one or more? Thank

[2:22] you.

[2:24] I I would I'm not in the position to go

[2:28] on on more details on the number of

[2:30] bombs. Uh it was more than one.

[2:33] >> Okay, I'll take just a couple of more

[2:34] questions. Craig, go ahead.

[2:38] >> General, just to be sure I understand

[2:40] what you were saying about the the uh

[2:42] embassy and the headquarters of the uh

[2:47] building you were trying to hit. Uh we

[2:49] were told this morning that the two were

[2:51] close together, but you seem to be

[2:53] saying uh you don't know where the

[2:55] building you wanted to hit was that

[2:57] that's why the embassy was hit. Is that

[2:59] correct?

[3:01] >> This morning of course um as the u

[3:06] incident happened uh we wanted to give

[3:09] you the information which were available

[3:12] to us by the time. So you all you know

[3:15] it's always a very difficult situation

[3:17] you to give you because you need it uh

[3:21] the amount of information which is

[3:23] necessary on the on one side and on the

[3:25] other side we have to be very honest we

[3:28] want to be credible and we need to talk

[3:31] to um

[3:33] the pilots

[3:34] in this special occasion on the NATO

[3:36] aircraft what happened so that we know

[3:39] really what was going on and that's why

[3:41] I think it's fair uh to you and also

[3:44] fair to us um just to mention it this

[3:47] afternoon. We did target

[3:51] this target because we thought it was

[3:53] the headquarter.

[3:55] >> Uh sorry, sorry, pardon me. We've got a

[3:58] system here which uh make Mr. Fair

[4:00] fairest to everybody concerned. George,

[4:02] please.

[4:04] >> The BR The BR incident, the Nisha

[4:07] incident shows how risky targeting

[4:09] downtown target. Uh the question raises

[4:12] itself. Is it worthwhile doing so? Do

[4:14] you have as as much benefit out of it

[4:17] then it's worthwhile doing it to

[4:19] targeting downtown?

[4:21] Well, we had unfortunately to target um

[4:26] some targets downtown Belgrad in the

[4:28] past and we hit them because they were

[4:31] they did belong to the command structure

[4:34] of a regime which we think is a brutal

[4:38] regime.

[4:40] talking and listening and seeing the

[4:42] pictures and uh what's happening in in

[4:44] Kosovo. So, um yes, we do continue to

[4:48] find legitimate targets which are

[4:50] totally agreed by those countries who

[4:53] want to end this war this conflict. If

[4:56] if I if I may just at this stage also

[4:59] intervene and what George what General

[5:02] Yats made very clear in the briefing

[5:04] today is that yes, we did make a bad

[5:07] mistake yesterday night. That's clear

[5:09] and we're being very open about that.

[5:11] That's the only way we can be. But that

[5:14] wasn't the only thing that happened last

[5:15] night. A lot of other things happened. A

[5:18] lot of things which are going to have a

[5:20] very long-term impact on the war machine

[5:23] of President Melovich. Not just the fact

[5:26] that the Hotel Yugoslavia, the head of

[5:29] Arcan's Tigers was struck, hopefully in

[5:32] a way which will undermine his ability

[5:35] to carry out his paramilitary

[5:36] activities. But I think if you look at

[5:38] the list, you'll see that the

[5:40] overwhelming number of targets were very

[5:43] high value targets and were struck

[5:46] effectively and with the accuracy that

[5:48] we always try to achieve. Let's have a

[5:51] quick look at the list. The military

[5:53] command structure at the broad doafichi

[5:56] presidential command center. Ministry of

[5:58] Defense Headquarters south, National

[6:01] Military Headquarters North. Electric

[6:03] power generation and distribution was

[6:05] also hit in the capital with four

[6:07] transformer yards attacked. I've

[6:09] mentioned the hotel Yugoslavia. There

[6:10] was also Batonichka airfield outside

[6:13] Belgrade. NATO aircraft also

[6:15] successfully struck lines of

[6:16] communication including bridges at Muri,

[6:19] Rasca, Milveso, Bari, Usuchi, Madlitch

[6:22] and Kubric. Communication sites located

[6:24] in Katchak, Guchevac, Ultiche, Novisad

[6:27] and several others in the Belgrade area

[6:30] were also successfully uh targeted. Fuel

[6:33] storage which is one of our priorities

[6:35] as you well know was again struck last

[6:37] night with attacks on storage sites in

[6:39] PGA, Pirani, Katchak and as General Yet

[6:42] said we also struck uh priority

[6:45] facilities ammunition storage in two

[6:47] locations parts in and Cuperture. So I

[6:50] want to emphasize that last night there

[6:52] was a very extensive range of operations

[6:56] and we are going successfully and

[6:59] accurately after those military targets

[7:02] which alone at the end of the day can

[7:04] back up the diplomatic efforts which we

[7:06] are hoping are going to achieve a result

[7:09] and keeping the pressure up on Mallich

[7:11] and so please don't dismiss that. Uh

[7:14] last night a great deal of what was done

[7:16] was done accurately and professionally.

[7:18] Of course, everything is overshadowed as

[7:20] we expect, as we recognize, by this one

[7:23] very, very bad mistake, but we continue

[7:26] to go after those military power

[7:28] structures which alone can make melovich

[7:31] stop the war in Kosovo, and that has to

[7:32] remain our priority. I apologize for

[7:34] General for adding on to his answer

[7:36] there, but I just thought we really have

[7:38] to put this thing in the right context.

[7:39] Okay, Jake, final question to you and

[7:41] then we stop for today.

[7:42] >> Thank you, Sky News. Um, General, um,

[7:45] the shape briefing this morning

[7:47] mentioned that, um, the building, the

[7:48] procurement facility was also a weapons

[7:51] warehouse. So far as you were concerned,

[7:53] was it a weapons warehouse in the sense

[7:55] that munitions were actually being

[7:56] stored there? Secondly, you mentioned

[7:58] NATO's regret at the potential damage to

[8:00] the diplomatic process here. Um, does

[8:03] NATO on its map of Bgrade have clearly

[8:06] marked the embassies of all the various

[8:08] countries, particularly security council

[8:09] members, as ones to avoid? And if so,

[8:12] where did NATO believe the Chinese

[8:14] embassy was located?

[8:17] >> Well, let me let me start with a second

[8:20] question first. Particularly as we were

[8:22] not going to attack the Chinese embassy,

[8:27] uh there was not uh we were not in the

[8:30] process of trying to find it where it

[8:31] is, but going to the intelligent uh to

[8:34] the intelligence part of the house. We

[8:36] have not only the map of Belgrade as

[8:38] intelligence source. We have all

[8:40] different kind of intelligent sources

[8:42] which give us the best and precise

[8:44] information which could ever be. And

[8:46] once again we did not we did not go

[8:49] after an embassy and that's why um this

[8:53] question

[8:55] I think should be should I would say

[8:57] should be refused but we we yes of

[9:01] course we do know where the embassies uh

[9:03] are.

[9:07] Okay.

[9:09] >> Okay.

[9:10] >> A weapons warehouse or

[9:12] >> I I I'm not aware of the um the weapons

[9:14] warehouse. Um have no information on

[9:16] that.

[9:18] >> Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you

[9:19] very much. We'll have another briefing

[9:21] tomorrow at 10:30 and another briefing

[9:23] at 3:00.

[9:24] >> We've been listening to Major General

[9:26] Walter Yurtz and Jamie Sheay,

[9:28] spokespersons for NATO as they conduct

[9:30] the daily briefing from NATO. Earlier we

[9:33] heard from the secretary general Javier

[9:34] Salana of NATO as they expressed

[9:36] profound regret over what is being

[9:38] called a mistake. The bombing attack of

[9:40] the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

[9:43] According to General Yurtz uh it was

[9:46] something that uh they send regret to

[9:48] even as military people was a mistake, a

[9:51] terrible error and something that uh the

[9:54] military aspect of NATO will make sure

[9:56] won't happen again. Having said all

[9:59] that, General went on to detail what he

[10:02] says is the most extensive attacks to

[10:04] date on Mallosvich's military complex in

[10:07] Belgrade, listing several headquarters

[10:09] which were attacked, command and control

[10:11] centers as well as power generating

[10:14] facilities. Uh also moving along to Nich

[10:16] where an airfield was attacked by a

[10:18] so-called cluster bomb which are

[10:19] generally used in areas where not as

[10:21] tight precision is required. uh NATO

[10:24] owning up to civilian casualties there

[10:26] that they say were not intended. The

[10:28] intended target in Belgrade was

[10:30] apparently a so-called federal

[10:31] directorate for supply and procurement.

[10:35] Apparently NATO mistaking uh the Chinese

[10:38] embassy for that particular building.

[10:40] Jamie Sheay pointing out at the end the

[10:41] spokesman saying a great deal was done

[10:43] accurately and professionally uh in that

[10:45] campaign obviously overshadowed by the

[10:48] situation at the Chinese embassy in

[10:49] Belgrade. Let's turn now to our retired

[10:51] Air Force General Larry Frell who was

[10:53] listening to that briefing with us. Uh

[10:54] General Frell, good to have you with us.

[10:56] >> Miles, good to see you.

[10:57] >> All right. First of all, um you get the

[10:59] sense uh reading between the lines as

[11:01] you listen to the general uh that

[11:02] basically they just uh pinpointed the

[11:05] wrong building. Is that the way you read

[11:06] it?

[11:07] >> Yeah, they they that's that's an

[11:09] interesting point. They said the wrong

[11:10] building. So I take it from that that it

[11:12] was not it implies that there was not a

[11:14] weapons malfunction. So then the

[11:16] question is how did they come to target

[11:18] that as the the Chinese embassy as the

[11:21] building they were actually going after.

[11:23] So they they thought it was something

[11:24] else and uh I think they have some

[11:26] notion of what happened. They just don't

[11:28] know exactly how they came to have the

[11:31] wrong information in this uh targeting

[11:33] cycle.

[11:33] >> He was asked on followup about the how

[11:35] upto-date the maps are. His indication

[11:38] are is or his statement was not using

[11:40] outofdate or old or wrong maps. Is it

[11:43] possible, however, there might be

[11:44] something in a database somewhere which

[11:46] might have caused some confusion?

[11:48] >> That's a possibility. That's a

[11:50] possibility. Although the databases

[11:52] they're using now or databases derived

[11:55] from uh uh satellite intelligence and

[11:57] and things like that. It's not the

[11:59] traditional maps that you and I would be

[12:01] familiar with, but it's a very

[12:02] sophisticated database. So it probably

[12:05] given the the nature of what they're

[12:06] doing in the stakes, particularly as

[12:08] targets are focused upon in central

[12:10] Bgrade, I I suspect it's a high priority

[12:12] to have up-to-date information before

[12:14] you make a target list. You bet. That

[12:16] would be a high priority and that's in

[12:18] fact probably what they're intensively

[12:20] looking at now is uh the information

[12:22] they have in their in their database and

[12:24] they're probably going to be uh uh doing

[12:26] some double-checking on that.

[12:28] >> All right. What what do you think

[12:29] general the implications to the general

[12:32] course of the air war will be? There's

[12:33] been a lot of talk about how the

[12:35] targeting list has been limited in some

[12:37] ways in the past and uh perhaps this uh

[12:40] particular night of attacks went right

[12:42] to the heart of Melvich's command and

[12:43] control. Do you s suspect NATO will come

[12:46] back off of that in the days to come?

[12:50] >> If they do, I believe it will only be

[12:52] momentary uh just to make sure they have

[12:54] their procedures correct. I mean, we

[12:56] have to look back and see that they've

[12:57] really had quite phenomenal success and

[13:00] and accuracy in in attacking things in

[13:02] urban areas. Uh, and the last night's

[13:05] attacks against the leadership category

[13:07] of targets, which is the highest

[13:09] category, indicates they're really

[13:10] trying to get after the leadership to

[13:12] include a resident of Mallosvich. I

[13:14] would expect to see the intensity

[13:16] continue perhaps with a pause to make

[13:18] sure they've got their their targeting

[13:20] cycle correct. the uh situation in Nich

[13:23] using uh the cluster bomb down there. Uh

[13:26] cluster bombs by their nature would

[13:28] extend over a fairly broad area. Um your

[13:31] opinion is that an appropriate weapon

[13:33] given the nature of that airfield and

[13:35] surrounding communities.

[13:37] >> Yeah. Given the fact that they were

[13:38] going after aircraft in the open on the

[13:40] airfield, the airfield is a fairly large

[13:42] area. It's an appropriate munition. Now,

[13:44] keep in mind that even though it's an

[13:46] area weapon, the centrid of that uh that

[13:50] pattern that's going to be laid down can

[13:51] be very accurately targeted. We just we

[13:54] don't have enough information to know

[13:55] right now what happened. Uh keep in

[13:57] mind, too, that the impact of the weapon

[13:59] was about a kilometer away from where uh

[14:02] the target itself actually is.