PBS NewsHour - 2008-10-08
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[0:10] Good evening. I'm Jim Lara. On the
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[0:16] farreaching financial crisis and the
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[2:22] The crisis of confidence in world
[2:24] markets showed little sign of letting up
[2:26] today. Stocks kept sliding in Europe
[2:28] where major indexes fell at least 5%.
[2:32] And in Asia, the losses were even
[2:34] steeper, ranging from 8 to 10%. Wall
[2:37] Street had a seessaw day, but the Dow
[2:40] Jones Industrial Average shed another
[2:43] 189 points to close at 9258.
[2:46] The Nasdaq was down 14 points to close
[2:49] at$,740.
[2:51] The stock losses came despite a new
[2:53] series of crisis moves to ease credit
[2:55] and bolster banks. In a coordinated
[2:58] effort, the Federal Reserve cut its key
[3:00] federal funds rate by half a point to
[3:03] encourage more lending between banks.
[3:06] The Fed's counterparts in Canada, China,
[3:08] and across Europe took similar actions.
[3:11] Officials in Washington and Wall Street
[3:13] generally welcomed the cuts. This is
[3:16] what you should be seeing, the central
[3:18] banks moving together because this is
[3:20] becoming very much a world problem. It's
[3:22] not just a US problem anymore. It never
[3:24] was just a US problem. and it's the rest
[3:27] of the world has to understand that
[3:29] they're part of the problem and need to
[3:31] be part of the solution.
[3:32] >> Later in the day, US Treasury Secretary
[3:35] Pollson made his own bid to reassure the
[3:37] markets. He said there's no time to
[3:39] waste and starting the $700 billion
[3:42] rescue plan. But he also said getting it
[3:45] right is just as important. Patience is
[3:48] also needed because the tur because the
[3:51] turmoil will not end quickly and
[3:54] significant challenges remain ahead.
[3:57] Neither passage of this new law nor the
[4:00] implementation of these initiatives will
[4:02] bring an immediate end to current
[4:05] difficulties. Officials in Britain also
[4:08] moved today to stop the meltdown in
[4:10] stocks and credit. The British
[4:12] government announced it will partly
[4:14] nationalize leading banks for an
[4:16] estimated $88 billion. We have a report
[4:19] from Juliet Brimmer of Independent
[4:22] Television News.
[4:24] >> 240 and a half at 240.8.
[4:26] >> At their desks in the city, traders
[4:28] waited to see whether the banking system
[4:30] could be saved. They'd got a rescue deal
[4:32] that seemed to deliver everything they
[4:34] wanted, but bizarrely, they still
[4:36] weren't happy. The markets plunged more
[4:39] than 200 points, apparently oblivious to
[4:42] the record-breaking Treasury handout.
[4:45] There were still fears that strings
[4:47] attached to the government money meant
[4:49] banks would cut dividends and there
[4:51] would be less profitable businesses in
[4:53] the future. People aren't quite sure yet
[4:57] as to what exactly it means. Not only
[5:00] for the banking sector of which some
[5:03] shares have benefited today, other
[5:05] shares have have had a bad day, have
[5:08] fallen again, um but also all the other
[5:11] sectors.
[5:12] >> Businesses want help too as nervous
[5:15] customers cut spending and banks charge
[5:18] more for loans and overdrafts.
[5:20] Even if this rescue package works and
[5:22] banks feel confident enough to start
[5:24] lending cash again, everybody's warning
[5:27] it could be weeks, if not months, before
[5:29] that feel-good factor filters down onto
[5:31] the high street and borrowers and small
[5:33] businesses can get their hands on
[5:35] affordable money. A few miles from the
[5:38] city, thousands of unsold cars, a sign
[5:41] recession is already here, but today's
[5:43] action might just have staved off a
[5:46] deeper depression. The British
[5:48] government urged other European nations
[5:50] to follow its lead in shoring up banks.
[5:53] And in Paris, French President Sarcoi
[5:56] promised new coordinated measures. He
[5:58] said, "In the hours ahead, we will have
[6:01] concrete results." In Washington, the
[6:03] International Monetary Fund warned of a
[6:06] worldwide recession. It said governments
[6:08] can prevent an even worse outcome if
[6:11] they act soon. My sense is that the
[6:14] sense of urgency that markets are
[6:17] basically making extremely clear is
[6:20] going to force governments to basically
[6:23] adopt fairly coherent plans in the very
[6:26] near future. Under that assumption, I
[6:29] believe that the risk of a great
[6:31] depression is nearly nil.
[6:34] >> In another development, Iceland fell
[6:36] deeper into crisis as its banking system
[6:39] teetered toward collapse. The prime
[6:41] minister warned the country could face
[6:43] national bankruptcy. The economic crisis
[6:46] dominated the US presidential campaign
[6:49] again today. Republican John McCain was
[6:51] in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, touting his
[6:54] plan to have the government buy up bad
[6:56] home mortgages. Democrat Barack Obama
[6:59] spoke in Indianapolis. He cautioned
[7:01] against fear and said better days lie
[7:04] ahead. We'll have more on the campaign
[7:06] later in the program tonight. The US
[7:09] Supreme Court heard arguments today on
[7:11] limiting the Navy's use of sonar to
[7:14] protect whales. Environmental groups
[7:16] cited evidence that sonar interferes
[7:19] with the FEL's ability to navigate and
[7:21] communicate. The government argued
[7:23] military readiness is at stake. It also
[7:26] said presidential wartime powers should
[7:29] override environmental concerns. We'll
[7:31] have more on the court's day later in
[7:33] the program tonight. In Iraq today, a
[7:36] woman blew herself up in Bakuba, killing
[7:39] at least 11 Iraqis, wounding 19 more. It
[7:42] was the latest in a series of bombings
[7:44] involving women. The former US commander
[7:47] in Iraq, Army General David Petraeus,
[7:50] addressed that issue in Washington.
[7:52] Suicide vest attacks now is a particular
[7:54] problem with women carrying them out and
[7:57] so forth. Down again very substantially,
[7:59] but still uh a good bit more work needed
[8:02] in this particular area. This is one of
[8:04] the focus areas, assassinations uh being
[8:07] the other because that's another very
[8:08] pernitious activity in a situation like
[8:10] this that we have to focus on. The US
[8:13] military confirmed today that recent air
[8:15] strikes in Afghanistan killed far more
[8:17] civilians than acknowledged so far. The
[8:20] New York Times had reported a military
[8:22] investigation has found more than 30
[8:24] people died in the raid last August. Up
[8:27] till now, American officials had said
[8:29] five to seven civilians were killed
[8:32] along with a number of militants. Two
[8:34] Americans and a Japanese scientist won
[8:37] the Nobel Prize in chemistry today. They
[8:39] were honored for research on a jellyfish
[8:41] protein that glows green under
[8:44] ultraviolet light. The substance is now
[8:46] a key tool in tracking the spread of
[8:48] cancer, among other uses. The Japanese
[8:51] scientists first isolated the material
[8:53] from jellyfish in the early 1960s. 30
[8:57] years later, the two Americans found a
[8:59] way to use it as a tracer. They also
[9:02] developed similar proteins with other
[9:04] colors. And that's it for the news
[9:06] summary tonight. Now, the latest on the
[9:09] financial crisis, the campaign in the
[9:11] battlegrounds today at the US Supreme
[9:14] Court, and storm water runoff.
[9:18] Another
[9:25] day of financial anxieties everywhere.
[9:28] Jeffrey Brown has our coverage tonight.
[9:30] The day began with a worldwide effort to
[9:33] cut interest rates to spur growth and
[9:35] ease the credit crisis, but markets
[9:37] responded with little confidence about
[9:38] the situation. In fact, they fell again.
[9:41] To discuss the latest, we're joined by
[9:43] Simon Johnson. He was chief economist at
[9:45] the International Monetary Fund until
[9:47] this past August. He's now a professor
[9:49] at the MIT Sloan School of Management
[9:51] and a senior fellow at the Peterson
[9:53] Institute for International Economics.
[9:55] Liz Anne Saunders is chief investment
[9:57] strategist at Charles Schwab. And
[9:59] Richard Thaylor, professor of behavioral
[10:02] science and economics at the University
[10:04] of Chicago Graduate School of Business
[10:06] and the author of Nudge: Improving
[10:08] Decisions About Health, Wealth, and
[10:11] Happiness. Well, Liz Anne Saunders, I'll
[10:13] start with you. Today's effort by the
[10:15] Fed and other central bankers, how
[10:17] unusual was it and what was it intended
[10:19] to do to turn things around?
[10:22] >> Well, I I've decided to stop using the
[10:24] word unprecedented because I hear it uh
[10:26] constantly these days. So, it's already
[10:28] becoming an overused word, but it is
[10:30] very rare to see this kind of
[10:31] coordinated action. You know, in the
[10:33] last couple of days, there had been a
[10:35] building view and consensus that we were
[10:37] likely to see a meeting uh an
[10:39] intermedating rate cut by the US Federal
[10:41] Reserve, but we felt all along that what
[10:44] would have been much more helpful would
[10:45] either be a coordinated set of rate cuts
[10:47] or at least a series of global central
[10:49] bank rate cuts. And that's indeed what
[10:51] we got. The the US economy is actually
[10:54] more impacted by global interest rates,
[10:57] not just US interest rates. So although
[11:00] clearly the market did not vote
[11:02] directionally up today with its move, we
[11:04] can't just look at single day moves by
[11:06] the stock market. I think the decision
[11:07] by the global central banks was the
[11:09] right one.
[11:10] >> Simon Johnson, all week we've been
[11:11] talking about uh uh Europe's problems
[11:14] and the need for coordinated action
[11:16] there. Was the willingness of central
[11:18] bankers in Europe to participate in this
[11:20] a a helpful sign?
[11:22] >> Yes, it was a helpful sign. it wasn't
[11:25] really what you needed to to break uh
[11:27] the the panic, the mood of panic, let's
[11:29] say, uh which is which is pervasive, but
[11:31] it was a good sign the Europeans and the
[11:33] US could get together uh in in this way.
[11:35] >> What about the action in Britain that we
[11:37] heard about uh with the banks?
[11:39] >> That's also pretty positive. The British
[11:40] announced a rather assertive bank
[11:43] nationalization recapitalization
[11:45] program. It's rather like a big Warren
[11:47] Buffett type program for the entire
[11:48] banking sector. Makes a lot of sense
[11:50] under circumstances. It wasn't. Uh,
[11:52] again, it was a little bit like throwing
[11:53] pebbles into a stormy stormy ocean,
[11:55] which is the phrase I'm hearing a lot
[11:57] these days. It's a little bit too late,
[11:59] a little bit uh too little, a little bit
[12:01] by themselves. The rest of the Europeans
[12:02] are not there yet uh with them. So, it
[12:04] hasn't had the kind of effect that they
[12:06] were hoping for.
[12:06] >> Is that your explanation of why markets
[12:09] do not respond very well today? Yes, I
[12:11] clearly we there's an enormous uh
[12:13] enormous storm out there and and what's
[12:14] really needed the only thing that will
[12:16] turn around is decisive coordinated
[12:18] action uh across the G7 and maybe the G7
[12:20] plus plus some other countries um when
[12:22] and if they come in with the monetary
[12:23] policy, the fiscal policy and the bank
[12:25] support short-term and medium-term,
[12:27] they'll turn it around and they could
[12:28] turn around really quickly. I think the
[12:29] mood can switch uh really fast and you
[12:32] you see inklings that this this message
[12:34] is getting through uh to the policy
[12:35] makers and the policy makers are trying
[12:37] to move in in the right direction. So,
[12:38] I'm a bit encouraged uh from today even
[12:41] though o overall it was a down day.
[12:43] >> Well, Richard Thaylor, I just heard the
[12:44] word mood, which is one of the reasons
[12:45] we we wanted you to join us here to talk
[12:48] about markets and behavior and how how
[12:50] it works. It just strikes me that last
[12:53] week we were talking about bad assets
[12:54] and and bad loans and institutions
[12:56] failing and this week most of the talk
[12:58] is about mood and confidence and panic.
[13:01] Help us help us see what's going on.
[13:03] What What do you see? Well, I I think
[13:05] that people are confused and um you
[13:10] know, take the actions today. I think
[13:12] there are two different ways of
[13:13] interpreting them. Uh one is to say,
[13:16] thank God they've acted and I should be
[13:18] happy. On the other hand, the other is
[13:22] to say, well, oh my gosh, um things must
[13:26] be really bad for them to uh all agree
[13:30] to take this action together.
[13:32] uh the steps that were taken in England
[13:34] and in Iceland. So I I
[13:37] >> Excuse me. Do do you mean that the very
[13:39] fact that they're acting like this has a
[13:41] kind of counterintuitive effect? It
[13:43] makes people more scared.
[13:44] >> I I think so. uh and reasonably so when
[13:50] uh it's it's natural to say uh given how
[13:54] difficult it's been to get these central
[13:57] banks to coordinate to when they do to
[14:00] say oh well they have data that we don't
[14:03] and uh they must be really worried.
[14:06] >> But what about the mentality of the
[14:09] investors that uh the the markets that
[14:12] need to gain confidence? What do we know
[14:15] about what drives that on a given day or
[14:18] what it takes to turn it around?
[14:20] >> Well, I think we don't know much. I
[14:22] think one thing should be stressed is
[14:26] that we we don't really know whether
[14:28] there is a panic here. Uh we have lots
[14:31] of uncertainty and when there's lots of
[14:34] uncertainty, we expect volatility.
[14:37] People can't really make sense of this.
[14:39] The other thing I would say is that
[14:40] whatever is going on is primarily being
[14:43] driven by professionals. This is this is
[14:46] not a retail panic and um and and I'm
[14:50] not sure that there is a panic there.
[14:53] People are reacting to very real things.
[14:56] Uh the credit crunch is quite real and
[14:59] people uh on on in the money management
[15:02] side um are are worried about people
[15:05] withdrawing their uh their money. they
[15:08] they're having trouble borrowing and so
[15:11] they have to reduce leverage and um all
[15:14] of that drives uh the uh prices of risky
[15:18] assets down.
[15:19] >> Lzanne Saunders, what what do you make
[15:20] of this question of of of panic and mood
[15:23] and what is driving investors and
[15:25] markets right now?
[15:26] >> You know, the comment just made about
[15:28] leverage I think is one of the more
[15:30] important ones. We are in a deleveraging
[15:32] uh cycle. We we know we're doing it in
[15:35] terms of of consumer leverage which had
[15:37] gone in the stratosphere and that's
[15:39] ultimately one of the silver linings
[15:40] here is we're we're taking an embedded
[15:42] very indebted consumer and hopefully
[15:45] moving them to an environment where
[15:46] they're more savingsoriented. But we
[15:48] also have to understand the mechanisms
[15:50] of the market. Some of the biggest
[15:51] players in the market are hedge funds in
[15:53] the very short term day-to-day trading
[15:56] and they're the ones going through this
[15:58] massive deleveraging process. Um and
[16:00] they're the ones that explained what are
[16:02] really record-breaking uh number of days
[16:06] where we have 2% moves, 3% moves, these
[16:08] rapid intraday swings. So I absolutely
[16:11] agree that that's not being driven by
[16:12] the retail investor. Now they've been
[16:15] somewhat active. Individual investors
[16:17] have raised cash in their portfolios,
[16:20] but it's been fairly steady over the
[16:22] course of of this year. We've gone from
[16:24] overall about a a 22 23% cash position
[16:28] broadly for American portfolios in
[16:31] January up to you know 34 35% now. But
[16:35] that has happened over time and
[16:37] certainly doesn't explain the kind of
[16:38] short-term girration. So we have to
[16:40] understand the effect that that hedge
[16:42] funds and other shorter term momentum
[16:44] kind of traders and investors are having
[16:46] on this market right now.
[16:47] >> Well, Simon Johnson continued helping
[16:49] helping us to understand this. In our
[16:50] new summary, we saw Secretary Pollson
[16:54] calling on for patience. It'll take
[16:56] time. Who is he speaking to?
[16:59] >> That's a good question. I think he's
[17:01] speaking to the to the American people.
[17:03] I think he says he's saying that we need
[17:04] some time to to really turn things
[17:06] around at a fundamental level. Um, but
[17:08] he's also trying to communicate to the
[17:09] markets. And to the markets, I think the
[17:11] message should be we're coming uh with a
[17:13] decisive package. We're going to turn
[17:14] things around. And I think he's also
[17:16] speaking to the other members of the G7
[17:17] to whom he's trying to say, you know,
[17:19] let's get going. So there's a a bunch of
[17:21] different communication levels here and
[17:23] Professor Thaylor is right about the
[17:24] confusion. In fact, I I would say anyone
[17:26] who who who claims not to be confused
[17:29] right now isn't telling the truth.
[17:30] >> And does that include Secretary Pollson
[17:32] and the Fed? I mean, all these actions
[17:34] that they're taking, no doubt they have
[17:35] to take into consideration the
[17:37] psychological impact as well as the
[17:40] substantive or fundamental impact. I
[17:42] >> I think they're figuring this out.
[17:43] They're the very smart people and
[17:45] they're catching up. They realize that
[17:46] what we're seeing here is much more like
[17:47] an emerging market crisis. the kind of
[17:49] thing we s we you see in Russia, we saw
[17:51] in Asia in 1998 where it's all about
[17:53] sentiment. It's all about confidence and
[17:55] things can go down really fast, but you
[17:56] can also bring them back. You bring them
[17:58] back with something big and decisive. I
[18:00] think we learned today that it's got to
[18:01] be pretty big and rather decisive
[18:03] commitment to the public balance sheet
[18:05] in order to turn it around.
[18:06] >> Richard Thaylor, something big and
[18:08] decisive. Is that what history tells it
[18:10] takes us it takes to to turn things
[18:12] around?
[18:13] >> Well, I think we don't have much
[18:15] experience with history. we we can go
[18:17] back to the depression to see what not
[18:19] to do. I I think many of the steps that
[18:22] have been taken were essential. Uh when
[18:25] they guaranteed the money market
[18:27] accounts and then raised the limits on
[18:30] the um balances and savings accounts to
[18:34] $250,000.
[18:36] I think those were essential because I
[18:39] mentioned we haven't really had a retail
[18:41] uh panic. We could have if people had
[18:44] started taking their money out of those
[18:47] accounts and putting it under the
[18:49] mattress or whatever the what everyone
[18:51] does with with with money when you panic
[18:53] these days. I I think the retail
[18:55] investor might uh be tempted to panic
[18:59] but I'm not sure this makes any sense
[19:01] but to say but they don't really know
[19:03] how to do it. Uh you know you see a line
[19:06] you know to run away. Uh this is also
[19:08] bewildering to the man on the street
[19:10] that they're worried, but um
[19:15] maybe as as Liz said, uh maybe they'll
[19:18] uh start paying off their credit cards
[19:20] and if if that's the way they panic,
[19:22] that would be great.
[19:23] >> Well, Lizanne Sanders, what what do we
[19:25] look for next? Uh interest rate cuts,
[19:28] for example, could there be more? How
[19:29] how low could it go?
[19:31] >> Oh, I think there probably could be
[19:32] more. Whether they are continue to be as
[19:35] coordinated as they were today is hard
[19:37] to say, but I think there's not an
[19:39] insignificant chance that the Federal
[19:40] Reserve here in the US cuts rates again
[19:42] at their next scheduled meeting, which
[19:44] is at the end of this month. Um, I think
[19:46] we could see rates head to 1%, maybe
[19:48] even below that. Um, it it it does help
[19:51] to build capital, requefy the banking
[19:54] system. There are a lot of consumer
[19:56] loans tied to the prime rate, which in
[19:58] turn is tied to the Fed funds rate.
[20:00] though it does matter in terms of at
[20:02] least helping bring some consumer loans
[20:04] down and and start to feed into the
[20:07] demand cycle for housing. There's
[20:09] certainly a number of technical things
[20:11] that we can look at from a from a market
[20:13] perspective. The one thing I will say
[20:16] about panic and and whether it's it's
[20:18] manifesting itself yet in the markets
[20:20] and whether we're we're seeing that kind
[20:22] of activity by the retail investor is
[20:25] that we have to think about what
[20:26] preceded this era when we were at market
[20:29] highs not only for the US but other
[20:31] global markets back last fall for the
[20:34] most part really where the action had
[20:37] been for the several years prior was not
[20:39] in the US equity market but was in
[20:41] global equity markets particularly
[20:43] emerging urging markets. That's where
[20:45] not only all the action was, it's where
[20:46] all the dollars were flowing. It's where
[20:48] all the performance was. We're seeing
[20:50] those markets get obliterated relative
[20:53] to the US market. So maybe you can't
[20:55] still define it as panic, but we are
[20:57] seeing a much greater amount of selling,
[21:00] including by the retail public out of
[21:02] international and emerging market stocks
[21:05] because that's where all their buying
[21:06] focus had been prior to this downturn.
[21:08] >> All right, we will have to leave it
[21:10] there. Lizanne Saunders and Richard
[21:11] Phaylor and Simon Johnson here in
[21:14] Washington. Thank you all very much.
[21:15] >> Thank you.
[21:15] >> Thank you.
[21:22] >> And now the presidential campaign as the
[21:25] candidates go back on the road. NewsHour
[21:27] correspondentwami Homeman begins our
[21:29] coverage.
[21:31] At a rally in Tampa, Florida this
[21:33] morning, Democrat Joe Biden claimed his
[21:35] side was three for three after the
[21:38] second McCain Obama debate and his
[21:40] debate last week with Sarah Palin.
[21:42] >> I realize I'm slightly prejudic about
[21:44] our ticket.
[21:46] >> But if this was the best of five series,
[21:49] it'd be over.
[21:52] It'd be done. Biden also charged that
[21:56] the McCain campaign was trying to scare
[21:58] voters with its attacks on Barack Obama.
[22:01] >> The one they have chosen is to appeal
[22:03] the fear with the veiled question, who
[22:09] is the real Barack Obama? Ladies and
[22:12] gentlemen, to have a vice presidential
[22:15] candidate raise the most outrageous
[22:18] inferences, the ones that John McCain's
[22:21] campaign is condoning, is simply wrong.
[22:24] >> Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin
[22:26] campaigned together at Lehigh University
[22:29] in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Palin went
[22:32] first and criticized Obama's debate
[22:34] performance. So last night, Senator
[22:37] McCain talked about real and pragmatic
[22:40] solutions. Barack Obama talked about why
[22:42] he'd rather run against George Bush.
[22:48] And
[22:49] that strategy is starting to wear pretty
[22:53] darn thin.
[22:55] John McCain didn't just come out of
[22:57] nowhere. The American people know John
[23:00] McCain. They know that he's the
[23:02] maverick. and that's what our opponents
[23:04] are afraid of most. [cheering]
[23:07] >> McCain followed and questioned whether
[23:09] Obama could be trusted to follow through
[23:12] on his proposals.
[23:13] >> So, who is the real Senator Obama? Is he
[23:16] the candidate who promises to cut middle
[23:18] class taxes or the politician who voted
[23:22] to raise middle class taxes?
[23:26] Is he the candidate who talks about
[23:27] regulation or the politician who took
[23:30] money from Fanny May and Freddy Mack and
[23:33] turned a blind eye as they ran our
[23:35] economy into the ditch?
[23:37] >> McCain also talked up his proposal
[23:39] unveiled last night to have the US
[23:41] Treasury purchase mortgages homeowners
[23:44] are struggling to pay.
[23:45] >> The dream of owning a home should not be
[23:48] crushed under the weight of a bad
[23:50] mortgage.
[23:58] This moment, this moment requires a
[24:00] government act and as president, I
[24:03] intend to act quickly and decisively.
[24:06] >> Today, a McCain adviser said the program
[24:08] might cost $300 billion, which could
[24:11] come out of the $700 billion made
[24:13] available in the recent financial rescue
[24:15] package or from federal housing
[24:18] administration funds. The Obama campaign
[24:21] responded to McCain's plan this
[24:23] afternoon. In a statement, economic
[24:25] policy director Jason Ferman said, "John
[24:28] McCain's plan to overpay for bad
[24:30] mortgages by handing taxpayer dollars
[24:33] over to big financial institutions is
[24:35] erratic policymaking at its worst. And
[24:38] it's not the change we need to
[24:40] strengthen our economy, create new jobs,
[24:42] and keep Americans in their homes."
[24:45] Meanwhile, Obama himself campaigned in
[24:47] Indianapolis, Indiana. A state no
[24:50] Democratic presidential candidate has
[24:51] carried since 1964, but one that's in
[24:55] play this year. He sought to reassure
[24:58] Americans shaken by the recent tumult in
[25:00] the economy. I'm here today to tell you
[25:04] that there are better days ahead.
[25:07] [cheering]
[25:11] >> I know these times are tough and I know
[25:14] that many of you are anxious ABOUT THE
[25:16] FUTURE. BUT THIS isn't the time for fear
[25:19] or for panic.
[25:21] >> This is time for resolve and steady
[25:24] leadership.
[25:26] [cheering]
[25:32] [cheering]
[25:34] >> I know I know that we can steer
[25:37] ourselves out of this crisis because
[25:39] that's who we are.
[25:40] >> This is the United States of America.
[25:44] The candidates have more battleground
[25:46] states lined up tomorrow. Obama in Ohio,
[25:49] Biden in Missouri, McCain and Palin
[25:52] together in Wisconsin.
[25:54] >> And now to journalists in three of the
[25:57] battleground states. Adam Smith is the
[25:59] political editor of the St. Petersburg
[26:02] Times in Florida. Daryl Roland is public
[26:05] affairs editor and head of polling for
[26:07] the Columbus Dispatch in Ohio. and
[26:09] Mackenzie Carpenter is a political
[26:11] reporter for the Pittsburgh Post
[26:13] Dispatch in Pennsylvania. Adam Smith,
[26:16] based on polls and other measurements,
[26:18] where does the presidential race stand
[26:20] right now in Florida?
[26:22] >> Right now, it's looking like a dead
[26:24] heat. Maybe Obama up a couple points.
[26:26] It's it's neck and neck. Mackenzie
[26:28] Carpenter, what's the state of play in
[26:29] Pennsylvania?
[26:30] >> Uh well, Obama's taking a big lead. Uh a
[26:33] couple of recent polls show him in
[26:35] doubledigit um leads. Uh although in
[26:38] southwestern Pennsylvania where I am
[26:40] that lead disappears and McCain is doing
[26:42] very well.
[26:43] >> Daryl Roland in Ohio. What's the race
[26:45] look like?
[26:46] >> Jim, our poll was out Sunday and that
[26:49] showed Senator Obama with a seven-point
[26:50] lead, which was a turnaround from a a
[26:52] one-point deficit before the conventions
[26:55] >> now. Adam, in in Florida, is there is it
[26:58] is it moving? Is there is are there is
[27:00] there a trend or is it just is it
[27:03] static? Well, the trend has clearly
[27:05] been, as it is elsewhere, toward Obama
[27:08] since the convention and uh that's been
[27:10] a big shift throughout this year. He had
[27:12] never, when you average the polls
[27:14] together, been been better than a tie
[27:16] and now he's up maybe three or four
[27:18] points.
[27:19] >> Is uh is does the economy have a lot to
[27:21] do with this?
[27:21] >> The economy has everything to do to do
[27:23] with it. Since the uh economic crisis
[27:25] really erupted, that's when his poll
[27:27] numbers really moved.
[27:28] >> McKenzie, same in uh in Pennsylvania.
[27:31] the economy.
[27:31] >> Absolutely. The economy is critical. But
[27:34] Jim, I wanted to make one point and that
[27:35] is in southwestern Pennsylvania, you
[27:37] have a lot of Reagan Democrats, some of
[27:40] whom have said they will not vote for a
[27:42] black man. And I'm working on a story
[27:45] right now about the role of race in our
[27:47] region. I think that's going to play a
[27:48] big role.
[27:49] >> Well, can you quantify that? I mean, in
[27:51] terms of
[27:52] >> No, no one can quantify it. Um, but I
[27:55] was interviewing Senator Bob Casey today
[27:57] and and he said any politician who
[28:01] doesn't think race is going to be an
[28:03] issue in Pennsylvania certainly is
[28:06] stupid. That was his word. Um,
[28:10] it's it's could be 1%, it could be 5%.
[28:14] uh whatever it is, it's going to eat
[28:16] into the lead that Obama seems to be
[28:19] having right now, which is why he's
[28:20] spending so much time in the eastern
[28:22] part of the state, which is heavily
[28:24] populated, Pu uh Philadelphia and the
[28:27] Collar counties, trying to boost um his
[28:31] support there as much as possible.
[28:33] >> Darl, what's the the Are you picking up
[28:35] any of this in Ohio, the race?
[28:37] >> No question. Uh of course, you just come
[28:39] come across the river into Ohio from
[28:40] from southwestern Pennsylvania. Uh we
[28:43] had reporters scattered throughout the
[28:45] state and I I was kind of shocked when
[28:48] when one of my colleagues came back from
[28:49] southeastern Ohio and just reported that
[28:53] folks would come up to her, give her
[28:55] name, put my name in a paper, here's how
[28:56] you spell it, and oh by the way, I
[28:59] cannot vote for Senator Obama because
[29:00] he's black. Again, how much is that in
[29:03] Ohio? That's unknown. Interestingly
[29:06] enough, in two days, he's going to be
[29:08] traveling through the heart of that
[29:09] area. So that'll be an interesting
[29:11] campaign swing for him. Jim,
[29:13] >> Adam, how do you read that issue in
[29:14] Florida?
[29:16] >> Yeah, I I think it's something of an
[29:17] issue. I'm often struck by how many
[29:19] times you'll talk to sort of swing
[29:21] voters that will say something that
[29:23] sounds quite racial and they've got
[29:25] concerns about voting for a black man
[29:26] and yet they'll still say, "But you know
[29:28] what? We need a change and so I'm
[29:30] leaning toward Obama."
[29:31] >> Yeah. Now, let's go. You're you're
[29:33] getting a lot of traffic from the
[29:34] candidates, are you not in Florida,
[29:35] Adam?
[29:36] >> It's pretty relentless. We had Sarah
[29:38] Palin for a couple days and then uh
[29:39] Biden. It's every few days somebody's
[29:41] here. What about advertising? A lot of
[29:43] that.
[29:44] >> Tons of advertising. Particularly in my
[29:45] neck of the woods, Tampa Bay. That's the
[29:47] biggest battleground within Florida and
[29:49] it's it's non-stop on TV, especially
[29:51] Obama.
[29:52] >> Are you getting uh are you getting any
[29:54] of these attack ads or what kind of ads
[29:56] are are they are they throwing?
[29:58] >> Obama is uh overwhelmingly leading in TV
[30:01] advertising in uh Tampa Bay and in
[30:03] Florida overall. and his uh you know
[30:06] there was a study out today about a
[30:07] third of his are negative. McCain's got
[30:09] fewer ads up so far in Florida and most
[30:11] of his are most of his are negative.
[30:14] >> McKenzie, what's the traffic like among
[30:16] the candidates in Pennsylvania?
[30:17] >> Well, I'll be following Sarah Palin this
[30:20] weekend. They were in Lehi County. Uh
[30:22] McCain Palin today. Um Senator Obama and
[30:26] Biden will be in Philadelphia this
[30:27] weekend. Yes, we're we're very busy
[30:30] here. Um the ads are relentless just
[30:33] like Adam was saying down in Florida. Um
[30:36] McCain is being outspent by Obama 3 to
[30:39] one here, but McCain is also spending
[30:43] more in Pennsylvania on ads than
[30:45] anywhere else in the country right now.
[30:48] >> What kind of ads?
[30:49] >> Uh negative, sure. Um it's sort of
[30:52] 50/50. I don't watch a lot of TV, but
[30:54] while I was waiting to be on here, I was
[30:56] watching CNN and there was another one.
[30:59] um uh character. Um a lot of gloomy
[31:03] pictures of Obama, he's not ready to
[31:05] lead, looking very grim, that sort of
[31:08] thing.
[31:08] >> Darl, in uh in Ohio, beyond the economy,
[31:11] what are what what issues are you seeing
[31:13] either or hearing from the candidates
[31:15] when they come, you got a lot of traffic
[31:17] there, too, of course, but also on the
[31:19] ads, what are they talking about?
[31:20] >> Yeah, no question. And it's uh was
[31:23] referred to earlier. There was a new
[31:24] study by University of Wisconsin out
[31:26] today and showed that Ohio is the number
[31:28] one state in the nation in terms of the
[31:29] Obama and McCain ad traffic. Um what
[31:33] beyond the economy, Jim, are we talking
[31:34] about anything beyond the economy these
[31:36] days? Uh I don't think so in Ohio. Um
[31:39] this is fall. This is Ohio State Buckeye
[31:42] football time. But you know, there's a
[31:44] lot of people sell saying thank god for
[31:46] Michigan because without Michigan we'd
[31:48] be number 50 instead of just number 49
[31:50] in a lot of economic measures. Our
[31:52] unemployment's at a 16-year high. Our
[31:54] Medicaid roles are the highest in
[31:56] history. Our food stamp roles are the
[31:58] highest in history. The wick enrollment
[32:00] is at highest in history. Uh food lines
[32:04] are are growing. People who used to
[32:05] volunteer and serve in those food lines
[32:07] are now in the line getting food
[32:09] themselves. Uh it's pretty bad here. So
[32:12] people are talking about the economy as
[32:13] issues one, two, and three at least.
[32:15] >> No Iraq, no foreign policy.
[32:18] >> You see that there? and and and frankly
[32:21] that frustrates uh some of the
[32:22] Republicans cuz they know very well that
[32:25] if this campaign's on the economy that
[32:27] is on Barack Obama's home turf.
[32:29] >> Uh so there it's almost like this
[32:31] reminder that they want to get across,
[32:33] hey, you know, we are still at war.
[32:35] Terrorists are out there. There are
[32:36] people want to kill us because that's
[32:38] John McCain's home turf. They want to
[32:39] turn the discussion. Um perhaps as
[32:41] Senator McCain mentioned, turn the page
[32:43] and let's talk about some of those other
[32:45] things. Healthcare of course is also a
[32:47] concern, but once again that's more of a
[32:49] an issue for Senator Obama despite
[32:51] Senator McCain's attempts to make it one
[32:52] of his own.
[32:53] >> Adam in Florida, is there a second
[32:55] beyond uh behind uh uh the economy of
[32:59] any substance of any
[33:00] >> Well, I would I would see his economic
[33:02] misery and probably raise it here in
[33:04] Florida where uh month after month, one
[33:06] or two in terms of foreclosures, in
[33:09] terms of job losses. So, you know,
[33:11] economy is overwhelmingly number one.
[33:14] Uh, way down the line are Iraq and
[33:16] healthcare.
[33:16] >> What about Iraq and foreign policy?
[33:19] Mckenzie in Pennsylvania. Is that a big
[33:21] big thing to talk about?
[33:22] >> Uh, not in west, not so much in the
[33:24] western part of the state. I mean,
[33:26] certainly we have boys here serving,
[33:28] boys and girls serving in Iraq. Uh, no,
[33:30] it's the economy. And again, uh, in
[33:33] August alone, our unemployment rate
[33:36] jumped from 5.4% to 5.8%.
[33:39] foreclosures uh have uh gone up by 60%
[33:43] from a year ago.
[33:44] >> Um this it just like uh in Ohio and
[33:47] Florida, it's the economy
[33:49] >> right now. And all three of your states
[33:50] are called battleground states and
[33:52] that's no accident because there's a lot
[33:54] going on down there. Adam, starting with
[33:56] you, what's the level of voter interest
[33:58] in this election compared with elections
[34:00] you've covered before? Give us some
[34:02] measuring stick.
[34:03] >> Oh, I I don't know if I can quantify it
[34:06] uh exactly. The polls show it's it's
[34:08] through the roof. uh and it's been
[34:10] extended. You know, there are a good
[34:12] number of voters that started to pay
[34:13] attention more recently, but it's been
[34:15] striking how many people were paying
[34:17] close attention uh even months ago.
[34:20] >> Yeah. McKenzie in Pennsylvania saying,
[34:22] >> "Well, all I can tell you is that the
[34:24] voter registration edge for the
[34:26] Democrats has gone from 600,000, I
[34:29] believe, in 2000 to 1.2 million
[34:34] as of today." And is that attributed to
[34:37] Barack Obama or are there just general
[34:39] interests?
[34:39] >> I think both. Um, but mostly Barack
[34:43] Obama. I mean, again, they don't break
[34:44] it down uh in terms of why people are
[34:48] registering, but a lot of those folks
[34:50] are young people and they tend to go for
[34:52] Barack Obama.
[34:52] >> What's the level of interest in Ohio,
[34:54] Darl?
[34:55] >> Jim, it's just incredible. And you can
[34:58] get this anecdotally or you can get it
[35:00] numerically. We our voter registration
[35:02] period closed last week. We now have 8.2
[35:05] million registered voters. That's an
[35:06] all-time high. Uh that's 94% of the
[35:09] voting population, the number of
[35:11] eligible voters are signed up to vote.
[35:13] Uh we also have for the first time in
[35:14] Ohio, early voting um in a presidential
[35:17] election where you don't need any
[35:18] excuse. Anybody can cast a ballot right
[35:21] now. So thousands of votes are being
[35:23] cast. And in fact, just this past Sunday
[35:25] here in Columbus, which is the largest
[35:26] city, there was a line of about an hour,
[35:29] hour and a half long of people waiting
[35:30] to vote. It's kind of weird. people
[35:32] waiting in line to vote early so they
[35:34] don't have to wait in line on election
[35:36] day.
[35:36] >> Yeah. What about the uh interest in the
[35:38] debate last night? Uh Darl, what was
[35:40] that? Could you measure that?
[35:43] >> I think so. And that that gets more
[35:45] anecdotal, of course. I haven't seen
[35:46] ratings, certainly nothing Ohio
[35:48] specific. Um I was at at a debate
[35:50] watching party for Senator McCain. One
[35:51] of my colleagues uh was paired with me
[35:54] was at one for Senator Obama. His was
[35:56] actually at a movie theater about 300
[35:58] seats and they talked about uh that was
[36:02] filled uh both for this last debate.
[36:04] There's actually even more interest in
[36:05] the vice presidential debate. There were
[36:07] people, you know, sitting and laying in
[36:09] the aisles. Um it's probably a good
[36:10] thing the fire marshall was there, but
[36:12] they they were just out the door to to
[36:13] watch a presidential debate.
[36:15] >> Yeah. Mackenzie, what about the the
[36:17] debate interest in Pennsylvania? Well,
[36:19] uh, we had a big debate party here for
[36:22] Obama supporters at the Shenley ice um
[36:26] skating rink and that was a a huge event
[36:30] and there are also very uh very feisty
[36:33] McCain supporters with lots of parties
[36:35] that we wrote about. So on both sides
[36:37] there's been a lot of interest.
[36:39] >> And Adam uh on the debate did have has
[36:43] your newspaper done any reaction stories
[36:45] to last night's debate? We have not done
[36:48] any reaction story to that debate. We've
[36:50] got uh we have an ongoing focus group of
[36:52] undecided voters that'll that'll be
[36:54] coming in shortly. That focus group
[36:56] incidentally has been uh striking in how
[36:59] much it moved toward Obama uh
[37:01] particularly because as a reaction to
[37:03] Sarah Palin.
[37:04] >> What about re what what about reaction
[37:06] in Pennsylvania, Mackenzie? Have you all
[37:08] done any reporting on that? Uh yes, we
[37:11] um uh are certainly going to be writing
[37:14] analysis pieces over the next few days,
[37:16] but I have a confession to make. I was
[37:18] in the newspaper today, so I don't
[37:20] really know what the voters were
[37:22] thinking.
[37:24] >> Okay, that's that's fine. Confession is
[37:26] good for the journalistic soul. Daryl,
[37:28] how about you? What what have you all
[37:29] been when you yall been doing any
[37:31] reporting on the since last night?
[37:33] >> Absolutely. As I mentioned, we we were
[37:35] actually at debate watching parties. We
[37:36] were getting that firsthand reaction. Uh
[37:39] I was at the at a house uh uh in western
[37:43] uh western Columbus suburb. Uh a lot of
[37:46] Republicans sort of crammed into the
[37:47] family room watching the the big screen.
[37:50] Uh they really wanted McCain to be much
[37:52] more aggressive. Uh especially going in
[37:55] they they really wanted some of this red
[37:56] meat. They they like some of the message
[37:58] that Governor Palin uh is espousing on
[38:01] the campaign trail. And frankly I think
[38:02] maybe there's a little bit of
[38:03] disappointment. They they didn't get it
[38:05] last I don't know if it was the town
[38:06] hall format or Senator McCain's choice,
[38:09] but there was just a little bit of
[38:10] frustration and of course, you know,
[38:12] time is growing short.
[38:13] >> Sure. Well, I must say, uh, Daryl
[38:15] McKenzie and Adam, sounds to me like the
[38:17] three of you at least are having a
[38:18] really good time during this election
[38:19] year.
[38:21] >> It's always a mixed blessing. U, you
[38:23] know, we love it if you're into
[38:24] politics, but uh, it's a lot of hours,
[38:26] too.
[38:27] >> A lot of hours, Mackenzie and Adam, as
[38:28] well, right?
[38:30] >> Uh, I'll be working all weekend. Thank
[38:32] you. [laughter]
[38:32] >> Okay.
[38:33] >> All right. Thank you all three very
[38:35] much.
[38:36] >> Thanks you.
[38:38] [music]
[38:43] [music]
[38:43] >> And now two arguments before the US
[38:45] Supreme Court and Judy Woodruff on just
[38:48] the third day of their new term. The
[38:50] justices today tackle two of the main
[38:52] issues on their docket this year.
[38:54] Environmental law and job
[38:56] discrimination. Here to walk us through
[38:58] both cases is NewsHour regular Marcia
[39:00] Coyle of the National Law Journal. Hello
[39:03] Marcia. kind.
[39:04] >> All right, these are two really
[39:05] interesting cases. One of them, the
[39:08] United States Navy against the whales
[39:11] off the coast of California. Let's start
[39:14] by telling us what it is that the Navy
[39:16] and the Bush administration are what
[39:18] they argue as they bring this case. The
[39:20] Navy is basically challenging a court
[39:22] order here that imposed restrictions on
[39:25] how it conducts very complicated,
[39:28] sophisticated sonar training exercises
[39:31] off the coast of Southern California.
[39:34] The judge here in order to protect
[39:36] marine mammals said that the Navy had to
[39:39] power off the sonar if a marine mammal
[39:41] came within 2200 yards of the sonar
[39:44] source or uh power down 75% if the Navy
[39:50] detected activity in in the water. Uh
[39:53] the judge's order was a result of a
[39:55] lawsuit filed by an environmental group,
[39:57] the Natural Resources Defense Council,
[39:59] which claimed the Navy had violated
[40:02] federal law by not doing an
[40:04] environmental impact statement before
[40:07] starting the training exercises. So the
[40:10] case here boils down to what? I mean,
[40:12] you were telling me before it's not so
[40:14] much about uh environmental impact as it
[40:17] is what the what the judge the judge did
[40:20] in uh in issuing this injunction. Well,
[40:22] the Navy is is is is basically saying
[40:25] the the judge used the wrong standard
[40:28] when it issued his when he issued his
[40:31] order for the Navy. Today, Solicitor
[40:33] General Greg Gar, who represented the
[40:35] Navy in the court, argued that the court
[40:38] court here that issued the order,
[40:40] ignored uh evidence that the
[40:44] restrictions imposed by the judge would
[40:46] seriously interfere with the Navy's
[40:48] ability to do the exercises, which in
[40:51] turn would damage our ability to protect
[40:54] national security. And he also argued
[40:57] that the the court here ignored
[41:00] statements by the president as well as
[41:02] the nation's chief naval officer that
[41:04] this was a serious interference with
[41:07] what the Navy was trying to accomplish.
[41:10] Uh the court uh the justices in their
[41:13] questioning uh probed the Navy about how
[41:16] 2200 yards and 75% power down really
[41:20] affected their use of sonar. But they
[41:21] also were very concerned about the
[41:23] Navy's claim that one, it did its own
[41:26] environmental assessment and that
[41:28] assessment showed there would be no
[41:30] serious injury to marine mammals. So
[41:32] they asked the solicitor general, "What
[41:34] do you mean by that?" Justice Alto said,
[41:36] "Tell me in practical lay terms, what is
[41:39] non-serious injury to mammals?" And Mr.
[41:42] guard told the court that no mammals
[41:44] would be killed by the use of sonar,
[41:47] that there may be a temporary impact on
[41:49] breeding and feeding, and if whales
[41:52] heard the sonar, they would probably
[41:54] turn and go in the opposite direction.
[41:56] Can you tell how much those
[41:57] environmental arguments are going to
[41:59] matter?
[42:00] >> Well, I think the court is concerned
[42:02] about the Navy's ability to do what it
[42:05] has to do to protect national security.
[42:07] So that put the onus on the
[42:10] environmental groups council who was up
[42:12] next uh Richard Kendall for natural
[42:14] resource defense council and and he
[42:17] argued that well this judge who issued
[42:19] the order had ample evidence based on
[42:22] prior Navy training exercises that the
[42:25] Navy could do the exercise under the
[42:28] conditions the judge imposed. And he
[42:31] also disputed the Navy's assessment of
[42:34] injury to marine mammals. He said, for
[42:36] example, there was overwhelming
[42:38] scientific evidence that [snorts] beat
[42:41] whales that have been stranded around
[42:43] the world uh were stranded because of
[42:46] sonar.
[42:46] >> So, this is a case you were saying the
[42:48] environmental groups and and of course
[42:50] the military are watching.
[42:51] >> The Navy wants a rule that will uh
[42:54] prevent future orders like this.
[42:56] Environmentalists are concerned that the
[42:58] Navy's rule would prevent them from
[43:00] enforcing a major environmental law. All
[43:03] right, let's move to the second case
[43:04] today. The jobs discrimination case.
[43:06] This is alleged retaliation
[43:08] uh against a woman in Nashville who
[43:10] complained uh about that she was uh
[43:14] harassed by her employer, then she was
[43:16] fired. Tell us about that. Vicky
[43:18] Crawford was a 30-year employee with the
[43:21] Nashville Metropolitan School District.
[43:24] She was called into an interview when
[43:26] her employer had launched an internal
[43:28] investigation of some employees concerns
[43:32] that one of the uh directors at the
[43:34] district was engaging in sexual
[43:36] harassment. She didn't complain but she
[43:39] participated in the investigation
[43:41] because she had contact with this
[43:43] director as part of her job. In the
[43:45] interview, she said that this director
[43:48] had on number of occasions asked to see
[43:51] her. Tatis uh had um grabbed his
[43:55] genitals, pushed his crotch up against
[43:58] her window, and even pulled her head
[44:00] once against his crotch. About 3 months
[44:03] after the investigation was concluded,
[44:06] and it was concluded with a verbal
[44:08] reprimand to this director, she was
[44:10] fired allegedly for irregularities in
[44:13] her job as payroll coordinator. She sued
[44:17] claiming the employer retaliated against
[44:20] her for her testimony in the
[44:22] investigation. Her suit was thrown out
[44:24] at a very early stage. She didn't get to
[44:26] a jury. lower court said the
[44:29] anti-retaliation
[44:30] provisions in the major federal job bias
[44:33] law didn't cover cover her and that's
[44:36] the dispute before the Supreme Court
[44:38] today
[44:38] >> getting the the heart of it I gather
[44:40] that uh the definition of what
[44:44] constitutes an objection did she raise
[44:46] an actual objection
[44:48] >> the retaliation right exactly the
[44:50] retaliation provision in the law has two
[44:52] parts an employee is protected if the
[44:55] employee opposes the illegal
[44:57] discriminatory act or if the employee
[45:01] participates, testifies, assists in any
[45:04] way in an investigation uh under title
[45:07] 7. Uh her lawyer uh Professor Eric
[45:10] Schnapper argued that her situation fit
[45:13] right within that. Uh the opposing uh
[45:16] lawyer for the school district sees the
[45:18] the the language in those two provisions
[45:21] much narrower. And I saw the Chamber of
[45:24] Commerce filed an amikas uh brief these
[45:27] cases
[45:27] >> because they're worried about uh other
[45:29] employees.
[45:30] >> The competing concerns here are if
[45:33] employees who participate in a in their
[45:35] employer's investigation aren't
[45:37] protected uh against retaliation. They
[45:39] won't cooperate because they they'll
[45:41] fear they'll lose their jobs. Business
[45:44] fears that uh if they are protected, an
[45:47] employee can immunize himself or herself
[45:50] for years from any adverse action by
[45:54] their boss simply because they
[45:56] participated in an internal
[45:57] investigation of harassment.
[45:59] >> All right. One was job discrimination,
[46:01] the other one was the Navy.
[46:04] And there's more to come. Marshia Coyle,
[46:06] thanks very much.
[46:06] >> My pleasure.
[46:15] And finally tonight, another [music]
[46:16] environmental story. This one about
[46:19] rainwater and water pollution. NewsHour
[46:22] correspondent Lee Hawkberg of Oregon
[46:24] Public Broadcasting reports.
[46:29] When it rains, which is pretty common in
[46:31] the Northwest, most people look at the
[46:34] sky. Water pollution experts look at the
[46:37] ground.
[46:39] And what they see disturbs them.
[46:41] Chemicals and motor oil and herbicides
[46:44] washing from neighborhood streets and
[46:46] yards into creeks and bays.
[46:50] Half of US water pollution comes from
[46:53] storm water runoff. In Seattle, it's
[46:56] responsible for more than 70% of the
[46:58] zinc and copper that winds up in Puet
[47:01] Sound. heavy metals that are toxic and
[47:04] kill sakkeye king and coo salmon
[47:07] protected under the endangered species
[47:09] act.
[47:10] >> Well, this is the typical type of
[47:11] development that we're seeing now and
[47:14] there are better ways to do of doing it.
[47:16] >> King County storm water manager Kurt
[47:19] Crawford took us to a typical
[47:20] subdivision outside Seattle. Though it's
[47:23] only 24 acres, as many as 200,000
[47:26] gallons of polluted water drain off of
[47:29] it after a normal rainfall.
[47:32] >> When you clear those trees away and you
[47:34] put in these roads, impervious surface,
[47:37] you put in the roofs, it can be as much
[47:40] as a 300%
[47:42] increase in in runoff volume. The group
[47:45] Earth Justice complained the runoff is a
[47:48] violation of the Federal Clean Water Act
[47:50] and demanded more regulation. Lawyer Yan
[47:53] Hasselman. When Congress adopted the
[47:56] Clean Water Act in 1972, it set a very
[47:59] ambitious goal of having all of
[48:01] America's waters fishable and swimmable.
[48:04] We're nowhere near that. We don't build
[48:07] houses in a way that protects clean
[48:09] water. It's a system that doesn't work.
[48:12] Now, in a landmark decision, a
[48:14] Washington state pollution board has
[48:16] ruled that flow of polluted water must
[48:19] be reduced. And to do that, the very way
[48:22] that new homes and neighborhoods are
[48:24] built must be changed.
[48:27] >> So, this is a a really simple technique
[48:29] that we use to capture the roof water
[48:33] runoff through a a downspout system. The
[48:36] ruling requires developers like Linda
[48:39] Puit of suburban Seattle use low impact
[48:42] development strategies or LIDs on the
[48:45] homes they build. Strategies that limit
[48:47] how much rainwater flows off of them.
[48:50] >> We can redirect this water through a
[48:54] pipe that uh takes the roof water and
[48:56] directs it to the rear of the lot. It
[48:59] bubbles up here and infiltrates forward
[49:03] through this beautiful ornamental swale
[49:08] planted with all kinds of thirsty plants
[49:10] including reeds and grasses and some
[49:12] blueberries.
[49:14] Puit whose company touts itself as being
[49:17] green implemented the techniques
[49:19] voluntarily because they actually
[49:21] reduced her costs of handling storm
[49:23] water. Some sidewalks in her development
[49:26] made of a new form of porous concrete
[49:30] literally suck up water.
[49:34] The houses she builds are small. Smaller
[49:36] roofs mean less runoff and they surround
[49:39] a large communal yard that absorbs
[49:42] water. Garages are tightly grouped
[49:44] around a common driveway.
[49:47] >> You have a smaller footprint first and
[49:49] foremost. The homes are clustered around
[49:51] beautiful open space and uh garden areas
[49:56] rather than on a parking lot with
[49:58] pavement and cars. It results in less
[50:02] imperous surface, less pavement, less
[50:05] sidewalk, less concrete. Other
[50:08] developers are experimenting with roof
[50:10] gardens to absorb rainwater.
[50:14] One Seattle neighborhood by narrowing
[50:17] streets and planting shrubs reduce
[50:19] runoff by 99%.
[50:22] >> We can get more runoff into the ground.
[50:24] >> Storm water manager Crawford showed us a
[50:26] subdivision that's experimenting with
[50:28] other strategies.
[50:30] >> Normally, you'd have a sidewalk both
[50:31] sides of the road. Here, what we're
[50:34] doing is draining all the road over to
[50:36] this one side here so we can um take
[50:38] advantage of this grass line swale here
[50:41] and provide an opportunity for storm
[50:43] water to infiltrate back into the
[50:45] ground. Compost is mixed into soil to
[50:48] increase the water retention of these
[50:50] yards and a community rain garden
[50:53] captures and absorbs runoff. Yet
[50:55] Crawford thinks even more stringent
[50:58] requirements are needed. We think
[51:00] there's more that needs to be done than
[51:01] what's being done here.
[51:03] >> He says government could require
[51:05] narrower streets with permeable
[51:07] pavement, taller buildings that cover
[51:10] less of the ground.
[51:11] >> We need more and it's it's probably
[51:14] going to take a stick.
[51:15] >> But builder Eric Campbell doesn't want
[51:17] to be forced to go farther. He says his
[51:20] new homes have to compete in the
[51:22] marketplace against homes with no such
[51:24] requirements.
[51:26] When we're sewing a home, we are
[51:28] competing with homes that have been
[51:29] built 10, 20, 30 years ago. And if we
[51:32] have better techniques that are quote
[51:34] more green,
[51:36] >> Kurt Trader, his high taxes kill jobs
[51:38] and hurt [music] families. Maybe that's
[51:40] why he doesn't pay them. That's right.
[51:43] After raising our taxes, Kurt Shder
[51:45] didn't pay his 17 times. Shrader even
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[51:51] for 3 years. Trader says taxes were so
[51:54] high he couldn't afford them. Now that's
[51:57] irony. Kurt Trader. Maybe if he paid his
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[52:33] As a teacher, [music] I have serious
[52:34] concerns about Measure 60. Not all
[52:37] children learn in the same [music] way,
[52:38] and Measure 60's one-sizefits-all
[52:40] approach just won't work. Measure 60 was
[52:43] written by Bill Seismore, who has no
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[53:04] >> In tonight's circular file, we go to
[53:06] Fargo, North Dakota, where a man wanted
[53:09] a bike badly, but he didn't want to pay
[53:10] for it. The 25-year-old man thought he
[53:13] found a very good place to get one for
[53:15] free. He pulled it from a bike rack and
[53:16] was ready to pedal away. Two things he
[53:19] didn't think about, though. The bike
[53:20] rack is located on the side of a police
[53:23] station and there was a police officer
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[53:27] the whole thing. Despite that, of
[53:29] course, the man still claimed the bike
[53:31] was his. Not so. Police say the bike was
[53:33] actually left there by police themselves
[53:35] for a man who was getting detox
[53:38] treatment.
[53:40] >> You know, Joe used to be a poorly,
[53:42] didn't he?
[53:42] >> I'd say so. at least at a couple of
[53:44] couple of levels. That's it for us.
[53:46] Thanks very much for joining us. Uh
[53:47] we'll see you again tomorrow for K2
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