PBS NewsHour - 1996-02-29
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[0:06] Good evening, I'm Jim Lara. On the
[0:07] NewsHour tonight, media violence day in
[0:10] Washington. Elizabeth Farnsworth
[0:12] explores the fallouts and meanings. The
[0:15] four leading Republican presidential
[0:17] candidates have a debate. We have
[0:19] excerpts. Money. Margaret Warner and two
[0:21] experts look at what it means to
[0:23] presidential politics. The Senate has a
[0:26] life ordeath debate about the Whitewater
[0:28] investigation.
[0:29] H Homeman reports and our second round
[0:31] of candidate stump speeches continues
[0:33] with one by Pat Buchanan. It all follows
[0:36] our summary of the news this Thursday.
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[1:00] Broadcasting and by the annual financial
[1:02] support from viewers like you. The US
[1:06] Coast Guard will protect a Saturday
[1:08] protest off the coast of Cuba. White
[1:10] House spokesman Mike Mccur made the
[1:12] announcement today. Cuban exiles plan to
[1:14] send a flotillaa of boats and planes to
[1:16] the site of last week's shootown of two
[1:19] civilian planes by Cuban military jets.
[1:21] The four Cuban Americans aboard the
[1:23] private planes were killed. US officials
[1:26] claim the shootown occurred in
[1:27] international waters. Cuban authorities
[1:29] say it happened over their territory.
[1:32] Mccuri warned Havana not to interfere
[1:34] with the Saturday demonstration.
[1:36] >> We will not tolerate further any
[1:38] unlawful actions by the Cuban
[1:40] government. We believe that efforts to
[1:42] honor the lives of the victims of Cuba's
[1:46] brutality deserve the support of all
[1:48] Americans and we will strongly enforce
[1:51] our laws to prevent incursion into Cuban
[1:53] airspace and territorial waters that
[1:56] potentially endanger the lives of
[1:58] Americans. A Cuban government spokesman
[2:01] had asked the United States to stop the
[2:03] flotillaa. He said Cuba would use all
[2:06] means necessary to counter violations of
[2:08] its territory. At a congressional
[2:10] hearing in Washington today,
[2:12] Representative Dan Burton of Indiana
[2:14] said he received information the US Air
[2:16] Force was aware Cuban jets were about to
[2:19] attack the civilian planes Saturday, but
[2:21] he said the Air Force did nothing to
[2:23] stop the encounter. A Defense Department
[2:25] spokesman denied that report. He said
[2:27] the Cuban fighters were not challenged
[2:29] because they did not threaten the United
[2:31] States. At the White House today, 30
[2:33] television executives agreed to create a
[2:36] rating system to help parents screen out
[2:38] sex and violence on television. The new
[2:40] telecommunications law requires new TV
[2:43] sets to be equipped with a Vchip to
[2:45] block programs. Without a rating system,
[2:48] the Vchip cannot be utilized. President
[2:50] Clinton praised the broadcasters
[2:52] efforts.
[2:53] >> The media and the entertainment industry
[2:55] has agreed to a voluntary systems of
[2:57] ratings for television programs. These
[3:00] ratings will be put in place by the end
[3:02] of this year or the beginning of next
[3:03] year to help parents decide what
[3:05] programs they want their children to
[3:08] watch. And the Vchip will give parents
[3:10] the power to block those programs they
[3:12] do not want them to watch from their
[3:14] televisions.
[3:16] We're handing the TV remote control back
[3:18] to America's parents so that they can
[3:21] pass on their values and protect their
[3:24] children. Industry spokesman Jack
[3:26] Valenti said broadcasters cannot take
[3:28] the place of parents and teachers who
[3:30] have the ultimate responsibility for a
[3:32] child's character and conduct.
[3:35] >> There must be a national renaissance
[3:38] of individual responsibility so that a
[3:42] child understands clearly what is right
[3:46] and what is plainly wrong. absent that
[3:50] kind of moral regeneration
[3:53] in this home and in the family and in
[3:56] the school and in the church. Frankly,
[3:59] no rating system, however purposeful, no
[4:03] Vchip or electronic device and no
[4:07] government law is going to salvage that
[4:10] child's conduct.
[4:11] >> We'll have more on this story right
[4:13] after the news summary. In South
[4:15] Carolina today, the four leading
[4:16] Republican presidential candidates held
[4:18] a one-hour debate. They did so before a
[4:21] business group in Colombia. Pat
[4:23] Buchanan, Lamar Alexander, Steve Forbes,
[4:25] and Bob Dole clashed over negative
[4:28] advertising, balancing the budget, and
[4:30] taxes. The important South Carolina
[4:32] primary is Saturday. We'll have extended
[4:35] excerpts from the debate later in the
[4:36] program. Senate Democrats today blocked
[4:39] a Republican effort to extend the Senate
[4:41] Whitewater investigation beyond midnight
[4:44] tonight. Republicans will try again next
[4:46] week. Democrats were willing to extend
[4:48] the investigation until April 3rd, but
[4:51] not beyond. Republicans wanted unlimited
[4:54] time. Money was also an issue. We'll
[4:56] have extended excerpts from that debate
[4:58] later in the program. House Speaker N.
[5:00] Gingrich won a victory in federal court
[5:02] today. A judge threw out an elections
[5:04] law complaint filed by the Federal
[5:07] Election Commission against a political
[5:08] action committee run by Genrich. His
[5:11] group called GOPAC argued that it only
[5:13] aided state and local political
[5:15] candidates and did not have to register
[5:17] with the FEC. The judge agreed. And in
[5:20] the House of Representatives today,
[5:22] members approved the so-called Freedom
[5:24] to Farm Bill. The vote was 270 to 155.
[5:28] The measure overhauls federal farm
[5:30] policies dating back to the depression.
[5:33] It phases out price supports for corn,
[5:35] wheat, cotton, and other crops.
[5:37] Subsidies for sugar, dairy products, and
[5:39] peanuts would continue. Farmers would
[5:41] also no longer be paid to keep their
[5:43] land idle to control crop supplies.
[5:46] Today's debate focused on the impact the
[5:48] bill would have on taxpayers.
[5:50] The premise behind this policy is is
[5:53] that over the next seven years, we will
[5:55] obligate the taxpayers of this country
[5:57] to spend 36.5 billion dollars to farmers
[6:02] regardless of what the prices of the
[6:05] commodities will be. This bill
[6:07] establishes hopefully a market
[6:09] transition
[6:11] from the command and control style of
[6:14] government support to the free market
[6:15] through a series of fixed and declining
[6:17] payments.
[6:19] declining payments.
[6:21] >> The House Farm Bill must now be
[6:23] reconciled with a version that has
[6:24] already passed the Senate. In Bosnia
[6:27] today, the Bosnian government declared
[6:29] the siege of Sieo officially over. The
[6:33] announcement came as the Muslim Croat
[6:35] Federation assumed control of the former
[6:37] Serb suburb of Ilijaz and an adjoining
[6:40] road. Most Serb residents evacuated the
[6:43] area before the transfer. In New York
[6:46] federal court today, the Daiwa bank
[6:48] plead guilty to 16 counts of fraud,
[6:50] deception, and other charges. The large
[6:52] Japanese bank was accused of hiding more
[6:55] than $1 billion in losses. The bank will
[6:57] also pay a $340 million fine, the
[7:01] largest ever levied in a US criminal
[7:03] case. And that's it for the news summary
[7:05] tonight. Now it's on to media violence,
[7:08] a debate in South Carolina, the politics
[7:11] of money, a Senate Whitewater debate,
[7:15] and a Pat Buchanan stump speech.
[7:26] Today's big Washington spotlight on
[7:28] media violence is our lead story
[7:30] tonight. Elizabeth Farnsworth is in
[7:32] charge. The White House meeting with the
[7:35] telecommunications chieftains came after
[7:37] several years of pressure from parents
[7:39] and politicians. Last spring, Senate
[7:42] majority leader and presidential hopeful
[7:44] Robert Dole specifically targeted Time
[7:47] Warner.
[7:48] >> Must you debase our nation and threaten
[7:50] our children for the sake of corporate
[7:51] profits? The corporate executives who
[7:55] dismiss criticism
[7:57] should not misunderstand.
[8:00] I'm not objecting some little tiny group
[8:02] of zealots
[8:04] or an ideological fringe. From inner
[8:07] city mothers to suburban mothers to
[8:09] families in rural America of parents
[8:12] parents are afraid and parents are
[8:13] growing angry.
[8:14] >> The drum beatat of criticism continued
[8:16] from across the political spectrum. Tell
[8:19] all talk TV was the target for a group
[8:22] headed by moderate Democrat Joseph
[8:24] Lieberman and conservative Republican
[8:26] Bill Bennett. No to this cultural rot.
[8:29] No to the exploitation of personal
[8:31] tragedies and embarrassments. No to the
[8:34] peddling of perversion to 8 million
[8:37] children watching talk TV every day.
[8:40] Does anybody doubt that these shows
[8:42] degrade the people who are on them? Uh
[8:45] that these shows degrade human
[8:46] personality. Do the sponsors think not?
[8:49] If not, uh why not? In January, in his
[8:52] State of the Union, President Clinton
[8:54] upped the ante.
[8:55] >> To the media, I say you should create
[8:58] movies and CDs and television shows
[9:00] you'd want your own children and
[9:02] grandchildren to enjoy.
[9:06] I call on Congress to pass the
[9:08] requirement for a Vchip and TV set so
[9:11] that parents can screen out programs
[9:13] they believe are inappropriate for their
[9:15] children.
[9:17] >> President Clinton got what he wanted.
[9:19] Earlier this month, Congress passed and
[9:21] President Clinton signed a
[9:23] telecommunications act which requires TV
[9:26] manufacturers to begin installing the
[9:28] Vchip with the V standing for violence.
[9:31] The act also urges the creation of a
[9:33] rating system and today President
[9:36] Clinton praised the industry executives
[9:38] for having voluntarily come up with one.
[9:41] As a result of our discussions, the
[9:43] media and the entertainment industry has
[9:45] agreed to a voluntary systems of ratings
[9:48] for television programs. These ratings
[9:50] will be put in place by the end of this
[9:52] year or the beginning of next year to
[9:54] help parents decide what programs they
[9:56] want their children to watch.
[9:59] >> A worse alternative from the industry's
[10:01] point of view would have been having a
[10:03] governmentappointed group do the
[10:04] ratings. When we looked at how the vote
[10:07] went, over 95% of our members of
[10:11] Congress voted for this speech bill. I
[10:13] mean, both it was overwhelming majority
[10:16] of both Democrats and Republic,
[10:18] conservatives and liberals. And uh we
[10:21] got the message and and we really don't
[10:23] really have any choice anyway. We're
[10:25] either going to do it or it was going to
[10:27] be done for us.
[10:28] >> It won't be easy to come up with a
[10:29] system that can cover over 600,000 hours
[10:32] a year of programming. And already
[10:35] critics say the current plan doesn't go
[10:37] far enough. Joining us to explain this
[10:40] historic agreement are Jack Valente, the
[10:42] president of the Motion Picture
[10:43] Association of America, and K. Coplitz,
[10:46] founder and CEO of USA Network, a
[10:49] national cable network. Thank you both
[10:51] for being with us. Mr. Valente, what
[10:53] does the agreement What is the
[10:55] agreement?
[10:56] >> Well, first, it's a historic agreement.
[10:58] As you said, it's the first time that
[11:01] all of the disperate elements of of the
[11:04] world of television, networks, movie
[11:06] studios, cable, PBS, creative gills all
[11:10] got together in common cause. Now,
[11:13] unlike uh what was said earlier, uh the
[11:16] industry did not have to do this. The
[11:18] law does not require us to do it. The
[11:21] law says there will be a V chip, but it
[11:24] does not require and cannot require.
[11:26] Although didn't the law say that if the
[11:28] industry doesn't do it that a government
[11:30] appointed body
[11:31] >> said the FCC would then appoint a
[11:33] commission but there are many first
[11:35] amendment lawyers in this country who
[11:38] believe that that is unconstitutional.
[11:41] However, I and others believe that it
[11:44] was in the long range interests of the
[11:46] parents of this country that we come
[11:49] together in a voluntary, and I stress
[11:51] voluntary agreement to rate TV programs
[11:54] and to encode them so that this
[11:57] so-called Vchip or electronic device
[11:59] will allow parents a choice or not to
[12:02] blank out certain programs that their
[12:04] very young children they might deem to
[12:06] be unsuitable. This is uh what we did 27
[12:11] years ago with movie ratings which have
[12:14] persistently won high approval from
[12:16] parents because we give additional
[12:19] information to parents so that parents
[12:21] and not a government or a congress or
[12:23] anybody else can make choices uh for the
[12:26] parents of this country and we're doing
[12:28] this and I think it's a wonderful thing
[12:29] we're doing because it's right to do but
[12:32] not because we were required to do it. I
[12:34] know that much has to be worked out, but
[12:36] do you think it will end up the system
[12:38] will look a little like the movie rating
[12:39] systems with the the G, the PG and and
[12:43] uh NC17 and that kind of thing? No kids
[12:45] under 17. And
[12:46] >> I the answer is I don't know. Uh it's
[12:50] taken all of our strength and energy and
[12:52] passion and commitment to to bring
[12:54] ourselves together and under a common
[12:57] tent, under a common canopy uh to do
[13:00] this work. And uh I applaud people like
[13:02] K. Copitz and others in the cable
[13:04] industry networks and everybody else who
[13:06] came together on this. We've got a lot
[13:08] of work to do to sort out the difficult,
[13:11] tormenting, even terrorizing questions
[13:14] that have to be asked and have to be
[13:16] solved before we can finally put this
[13:18] into operation.
[13:19] >> Okay, we'll get into some of those
[13:20] questions in a minute. Miss Copitz, why
[13:22] did this happen now? For years, the
[13:24] industry has not wanted to do something
[13:25] like this. Has said that it was against
[13:27] free speech.
[13:29] I think you have the confluence of a
[13:30] number of factors right now. Um, and not
[13:34] the least of which is the fact that
[13:35] there is a law that has been passed and
[13:38] part of the telco bill does require the
[13:39] Vchip does not require us to do this uh
[13:43] rating system. But I do think there is a
[13:46] resonance in our communities and across
[13:48] the country for parents who want to have
[13:52] some guidance. And I think that we in
[13:55] the industry agree that information is
[13:58] important for parents to have. I think
[14:01] we have a different situation today than
[14:02] we had 20 years ago. 20 years ago, we
[14:05] had three broadcast networks, a few
[14:08] stations in a community. Today, 70% of
[14:10] the homes of the country see multiple
[14:13] stations, maybe as many as 70 different
[14:16] stations uh and networks coming into
[14:18] their home. And I think that the
[14:20] industry is beginning to realize that
[14:22] there is a plethora of programming and
[14:26] that some guidance in uh giving
[14:28] information would be helpful to parents.
[14:31] And I think that's the resonance we hear
[14:33] and the what we are responding to in
[14:36] this industry.
[14:36] >> And Mr. Valente, some critics have said
[14:38] that this will just open the way to to
[14:40] more violence and sex and programming
[14:41] because a broadcaster can label it, but
[14:44] there it is. They can do as much as they
[14:46] want of it as long as it's labeled. Do
[14:47] you think that's true? Well, the answer
[14:49] is I liken this to the television
[14:51] equivalent of the Louiswis and Clark
[14:54] expedition. Like them, we don't know
[14:56] what's on the other side of the
[14:58] mountain. There are a lot of things we
[14:59] don't know. What I do believe, and Kay
[15:03] and others share with me, is that
[15:06] parents ought to have more information
[15:08] to help them monitor and supervise the
[15:10] TV viewing of their young children.
[15:12] Whether this is a, as we say, the law of
[15:15] unintended consequences will take over,
[15:17] I don't know. All I know is that we're
[15:20] going to try to do this to do it right,
[15:22] to do it with integrity and with
[15:24] honorable purpose, and that is our aim,
[15:26] and this is what we're going to do.
[15:28] >> What are the risks in this? For example,
[15:30] I was thinking about this. Researchers
[15:32] from four universities recently
[15:34] announced the results of a study on
[15:35] television violence. I think the cable
[15:37] industry helped pay for this study.
[15:38] >> Yes. And it showed that in the premium
[15:41] cable channels had violence in 85% of
[15:43] their programming. What are the risks to
[15:46] those networks to those those programs
[15:48] or those those those uh companies? Uh an
[15:52] an advertiser might say I'm just not
[15:54] going to advertise if you have to label
[15:56] it some kind of a label not suitable for
[15:58] children.
[15:58] >> Let me clarify something for you. Um
[16:00] they didn't the study does not say that
[16:02] the violence occurs in 85% of the
[16:04] programming or 57% of the programming on
[16:06] other channels or whatever. It was of
[16:08] those ch of those programs that were
[16:10] viewed by the researchers. They did not
[16:12] view all programming. They viewed
[16:14] programs chosen at random. Um so they
[16:17] were talking about the programs that
[16:18] they viewed. It was not a complete
[16:20] survey of all programs. Let me make that
[16:22] clear first of all.
[16:23] >> Secondly, um there are risks. This is
[16:25] risky, isn't it?
[16:26] >> There are definitely risks. I mean we as
[16:29] far as an industry that is supported
[16:30] largely by advertising uh and for those
[16:33] of us on the cable side uh to some
[16:35] degree by subscription fees. Um there is
[16:38] a big risk and for broadcasters even a
[16:40] larger risk that advertisers will be
[16:42] intimidated from advertising and
[16:44] programming that they feel is really
[16:46] worthwhile seeing. Not all programming
[16:49] is created for children. You can take a
[16:52] series like NYPD Blue, which has been
[16:54] highly acclaimed
[16:56] >> uh for its creative content, yet some
[16:59] people would find some of the language
[17:01] or some of the scenes object
[17:02] objectionable and certainly perhaps
[17:04] objectionable to children. That doesn't
[17:06] mean that advertisers shouldn't be in
[17:08] that show because very important social
[17:11] issues and challenges that we live every
[17:14] day in our lives are seen on that show.
[17:17] It's extremely worthy of being on the
[17:19] air. yet it could carry a rating that
[17:22] would intimidate some advertisers from
[17:24] being in it. And I think these are the
[17:26] types of issues that we've got to walk
[17:28] through. We should embrace comments from
[17:32] the advertising community uh as to what
[17:35] their concerns are. We should try to
[17:36] take them into consideration informing
[17:39] uh our rating system. Um I think this
[17:42] would be appropriate. So yes, we're
[17:43] risking we have financial risk. We have
[17:45] I think we have the risk of being overly
[17:48] criticized for no matter what we do. Uh
[17:51] it's a dead certainty that everybody's
[17:53] not going to be pleased with what we
[17:55] come up with. I mean that's a certainty.
[17:57] We know that no matter what we do, we
[17:59] will be roundly criticized by the left
[18:02] or the right or self-appointed people
[18:04] who feel that they should be the
[18:06] purveyors of our morals in the society.
[18:08] And and it's a heavy burden that we
[18:09] bear, I think, but we're willing to take
[18:11] it up voluntarily. It is a huge
[18:13] challenge to us. I hope people don't
[18:15] underestimate it or over anticipate what
[18:18] the results will be because this will
[18:20] not necessarily change violence in our
[18:23] society. This is just one aspect of it.
[18:25] Television.
[18:26] >> Well, and I I would imagine one of the
[18:27] main topics of discussion or worries
[18:29] would be that everything will become too
[18:31] bland.
[18:32] >> Well, I I I don't believe that we can
[18:35] make all television programs at the
[18:37] intellectual level of a seven-year-old.
[18:40] What we're trying to do is to sort out
[18:42] through our ratings what is in some of
[18:45] these programs so parents can make
[18:47] judgments about young children. We're
[18:48] talking about 6 7 8 9 10 year old
[18:50] children and those are the ones that
[18:53] need to be protected and that's the
[18:55] information that parents should have and
[18:57] that's what we're going to do. But I do
[18:59] believe that in the long run uh we're
[19:02] going to be criticized heavily as Kay
[19:04] says. But in spite of that we're going
[19:06] to continue on and to make this project
[19:08] work. I think it can be done and it
[19:11] ought to be done.
[19:12] >> You know, some some journalists have
[19:13] written that what you really needed to
[19:15] do was to get this out of the way so
[19:17] that you all could deal with a a much
[19:19] more difficult issue or at least an
[19:20] equally difficult issue coming up, which
[19:22] is the question of whether the the
[19:24] digital parts of the airwaves will be
[19:26] given away or auctioned off as Senator
[19:28] Dole and others have called for.
[19:29] >> Well, and so far as I'm concerned
[19:31] though, that's that's that's not that's
[19:33] that's on not on my turf. uh and I I
[19:37] think some of the broadcasters are
[19:38] dealing with that. What we were trying
[19:40] to do is to try to bring together all
[19:42] elements of this industry that
[19:44] previously were unallied with each other
[19:47] >> and have them join in this cause of
[19:49] trying to give more information to
[19:51] parents so that parents can monitor
[19:53] their children's TV viewing. But there
[19:55] will be tomorrow and the day after
[19:57] people are saying that's not enough.
[19:59] Because some of these people actually
[20:00] want certain shows off the air because
[20:03] they don't like those shows. Every time
[20:07] that I encounter someone who believes
[20:09] that they are the repository of all
[20:12] wisdom, I always want to utter that old
[20:14] Texas prayer that says, "Dear Lord, let
[20:17] me seek the truth, but spare me the
[20:19] company of those who have found it."
[20:22] >> Well, thank you both for being with us.
[20:24] And now some thoughts on today's
[20:26] developments from one of our regular
[20:27] media watchers, Ken Alleta of the New
[20:29] Yorker magazine. Ken, thank you for
[20:31] being with us.
[20:32] >> You just heard all of that. What do you
[20:34] make of it? Do you have anything to any
[20:36] comments?
[20:37] >> Uh, well, actually, I have several. Uh,
[20:39] one is that if you go back almost 30
[20:41] years to when the the movie studios put
[20:43] in their rating system, that was not
[20:45] exactly voluntary. In fact, it was very
[20:47] parallel to what's happening today in
[20:50] that the government put pressure on the
[20:52] movie companies to come up with some
[20:54] kind of a rating system to protect
[20:55] parents just as the government has put
[20:57] pressure today on the television
[20:58] industry to come up with some kind of
[21:00] rating system.
[21:01] >> What do you think of the agreement?
[21:03] >> Well, I mean, as they say, God is in the
[21:06] details and we don't know the details
[21:07] yet. I mean I think it is a uh an
[21:09] attempt on the part of the television
[21:12] industry to to respond to not just the
[21:16] Congress but who the Congress is
[21:17] responding to which is the public and a
[21:19] feeling they have that there is too much
[21:21] sex and violence and that as parents
[21:24] particularly in a two parent home which
[21:25] majority of Americans now have they need
[21:28] some help as parents um in terms of what
[21:31] gets on the air hopefully it will affect
[21:32] what is programmed not just what is
[21:34] rated on the air but how to do that it
[21:37] is much more complicated to rate
[21:39] television shows and it is movies for
[21:41] two reasons. One, you have many more.
[21:43] You have roughly 800 movies a year that
[21:45] are rated uh versus, as Ted Turner said
[21:47] today, roughly 600,000 hours of
[21:51] television time. So, you've got a lot of
[21:53] of decisions to make. Do you rate news
[21:55] shows, talk shows, daytime television,
[21:58] um or just prime time shows, Saturday
[22:00] morning shows, children's shows? That's
[22:03] one set of questions. And the other set
[22:04] of questions is that the other reason
[22:06] that it's more difficult in a movie
[22:08] theater, you have someone who polices
[22:10] the ticket seller or the person who
[22:13] takes your ticket who polices the
[22:15] entrance to that movie theater. We don't
[22:17] have that kind of a system obviously in
[22:19] our homes.
[22:20] >> But after writing about this and
[22:22] watching this for for many years and and
[22:24] knowing the the heated debate that's
[22:26] gone into this, do you think this was
[22:27] the right first step to take?
[22:30] >> I do. Yes. Uh I think it's the right
[22:32] step to take for the industry not just
[22:34] because it is substantively correct uh
[22:38] and politically correct in the short
[22:40] term but in the long term for the
[22:41] television industry. They've got some
[22:43] other fish to fry and Mr. Valente was
[22:45] asked that question and he said it's not
[22:48] a fish I'm frying in terms of what
[22:49] happens to the spectrum space but
[22:51] actually it is a fish he's frying and a
[22:53] fish that everyone who's related to the
[22:55] television industry and the studio
[22:57] industry and as you know two studios
[23:00] already own two of the networks. Um so
[23:02] Mr. Valente is involved in that as is K.
[23:04] Coplowitz who who reports to two studios
[23:07] her company and they have a real
[23:10] interest in whether in whether they have
[23:12] to bid the networks for this extra
[23:16] spectrum space or it's made as a gift in
[23:18] return for certain things that they give
[23:20] back maybe
[23:21] >> back on the agreement today. Do you
[23:23] think this will lessen some of the
[23:25] criticism or will there just be as as
[23:27] Mr. Valentia and Miss Coplovit said a
[23:29] whole new round of criticism and of the
[23:31] of the agreement and of the rating
[23:33] system they come up with.
[23:34] >> Well, I mean there will be there will be
[23:36] less criticism I would guess uh after
[23:39] this agreement. I think they've gone a
[23:41] long way to diffuse for now the
[23:43] criticism in the long run when they
[23:46] actually devise a system and it is very
[23:48] complicated what they're setting out to
[23:50] do. When they actually come up with the
[23:52] system then there probably will be more
[23:54] criticism depending on the nature of
[23:56] that system. And do you think it's quite
[23:58] risky? We we discussed that. It seems
[23:59] like a risky business there under there
[24:01] and about to begin.
[24:03] >> It is very risky if you're a creator of
[24:05] a show and you would have real worry
[24:07] certainly on free television which is
[24:09] supported by advertising that if you
[24:11] have a violence rating on your show,
[24:13] let's say NYPD Blue, this happened with
[24:14] the show that Miss Kppowitz mentioned.
[24:17] It got that rating and in fact the
[24:18] advertisers stayed away. So the worry
[24:20] would be that the network programmers
[24:23] will go back to the old days of seeking
[24:25] to homogenize a mass audience and will
[24:28] stay away from shows and programs that
[24:31] push the envelope, that are creative,
[24:33] that are thoughtprovoking. And that is a
[24:35] danger uh with this system. But it seems
[24:38] to me that the argument that outweighs
[24:40] it is that you know you have to try
[24:42] something new because presently uh the
[24:45] public and the Congress is not happy
[24:46] with the current system. Do you think
[24:48] that more could be asked there? For
[24:50] example, people have talked about having
[24:52] uh family viewing hours when when more
[24:55] children are watching than than adults.
[24:57] There would have to be certain
[24:58] programming. Do you think that kind of
[25:00] thing will start to be pushed now?
[25:01] >> Well, I think one of the things that's
[25:03] going to happen here u one of those
[25:06] executives who met with the president
[25:07] and the vice president and before that
[25:10] with the leaders of the Congress, they
[25:12] have some things they want on their
[25:13] agenda from the government. But the
[25:15] government has some things they want
[25:17] back from that industry. They would like
[25:19] to get back, Senator Holland is pushing
[25:21] and other members of Congress, the
[25:23] family hour so that from 8 to 9 each
[25:25] night, you will not have shows that are
[25:27] that are not friendly to younger
[25:28] children as as currently exists. That
[25:30] family hour was rolled back quietly over
[25:33] the last two years. It may be they want
[25:35] more children's programming as the
[25:36] Clinton administration has talked about.
[25:38] It may be that in return for giving them
[25:40] free spectrum space or extra channels
[25:43] that in return they get back something
[25:44] like free airtime for political speeches
[25:46] or for candidates in campaign. So there
[25:49] are lots of things that both parties to
[25:51] this negotiation want and that's the
[25:54] subplot that I think went on today.
[25:57] >> I have to interrupt you Ken. That's all
[25:58] the time we have. Thank you.
[26:00] Still to come on the NewsHour tonight, a
[26:02] campaign debate, money in presidential
[26:05] politics,
[26:07] a Whitewater debate, and a Buchanan
[26:10] stump speech.
[26:21] Now, a debate in South Carolina. This
[26:23] afternoon, four Republican contenders
[26:25] went at it at a candidates's forum in
[26:27] Colombia. A major focus was their own
[26:29] advertising. Here are extended excerpts.
[26:33] >> Do you think negative ads are hurting
[26:35] the political process? And do you regret
[26:38] having run such ads? Mr. Forbes,
[26:41] >> I regret having spent so much time
[26:43] discussing my opponents when they made
[26:46] promises before an election and then
[26:47] routinely broke those promises after the
[26:49] election. However, in the last two
[26:51] weeks, I've concentrated simply on
[26:53] getting my message of growth, hope, and
[26:55] opportunity across to the American
[26:56] people, particularly in Delaware and in
[26:59] Arizona. Well, I think Steve's been very
[27:01] effective these negative ads. I saw my
[27:03] favorable ratings go from 80% in Iowa
[27:05] down to 50. And uh he spent about $12
[27:09] million, I think, just on just on Bob
[27:11] Dole. He's the king of negative
[27:13] advertising. He gets a title without any
[27:15] contest.
[27:16] >> I think Steve, you're right. You overdid
[27:18] it with those negative ads. And I think
[27:19] Bob, you overdid it up in New Hampshire.
[27:21] And I think there was reaction against
[27:23] both of you.
[27:23] >> Senator Dole in in New Hampshire for his
[27:26] last four days took all of his ads off
[27:28] and ran negative ads against me. Just
[27:30] me. CNN said they were untruthful. They
[27:33] were misleading and they were distorted.
[27:35] Now that's going on, Bob. That needs to
[27:37] stop. We need to be positive. We're
[27:39] going to take a look at some of the
[27:40] negative ads throughout the next 45
[27:42] minutes or so. Uh the first one is an ad
[27:44] that has been run by the Dole campaign.
[27:48] President Pat Buchanan. He says women
[27:51] are simply not endowed by nature with
[27:53] the measure of single-minded ambition
[27:55] and the will to succeed. And he
[27:57] advocates arming South Korea, Japan, and
[27:59] Taiwan with nuclear weapons. He's too
[28:02] extreme and he can't beat Bill Clinton.
[28:05] >> Mr. Buchanan.
[28:06] >> Bob, it is a sign of the rapidity and
[28:09] the hollowess of your campaign that in
[28:12] your 72nd year as majority leader that
[28:14] you're running these kinds of ads. 11th
[28:16] year,
[28:17] >> 35th year in Congress that you're
[28:18] running to ads of these kinds about
[28:20] >> about an old friend that you know are
[28:22] not true and that you went through in
[28:23] New Hampshire.
[28:24] >> Time up, Mr. Buchanan. Senator Dol, do
[28:26] you stand by that ad?
[28:27] >> Well, I just took it out of his columns,
[28:28] but maybe they're not accurate. I always
[28:30] thought they were.
[28:31] >> This is an ad run by the Alexander
[28:33] campaign.
[28:35] >> Bob Dole voted to raise taxes by $320
[28:38] billion. Alexander supports term limits.
[28:41] Dole opposes term limits. Alexander has
[28:44] fresh conservative ideas. After 35 years
[28:47] in Washington, Bob Dole is out of ideas.
[28:51] >> Senator Dole.
[28:53] >> Well, I knew he was running negative
[28:55] ads. I didn't want to bring it up. I
[28:56] didn't want to embarrass him here in
[28:57] front of all these people. But, uh,
[28:59] here's a guy who wanted to be the boy
[29:00] scout up New Hampshire and said none of
[29:02] us should run these kind of ads. And he
[29:03] comes right down here and picks one out,
[29:05] which is not true. I support term
[29:07] limits. I've said I support term limits.
[29:09] In fact, there's an ad watch analysis
[29:11] that ad today that shows that it's
[29:13] completely wrong.
[29:14] >> Governor Alexander, you stand by your
[29:15] ad?
[29:15] >> I absolutely stand by the ad. Bob, the
[29:17] only reason that's on the air is because
[29:19] in six states, including the last five
[29:21] days in New Hampshire, you ran ads about
[29:23] my record that weren't true. You said I
[29:25] had I had a a an income tax in Tennessee
[29:29] when I rejected an income tax.
[29:31] >> This is an ad being run by the Buchanan
[29:33] campaign.
[29:34] >> Dole, Alexander, and Forbes supported a
[29:37] new trade deal with Mexico. They
[29:39] promised it would create jobs. It
[29:40] didn't. Said it would improve our trade
[29:42] balance. It hasn't. They claimed
[29:45] American wages would grow. They haven't.
[29:48] I will rewrite these unfair trade deals
[29:50] that destroy our jobs.
[29:53] >> And gentlemen, Mr. Forbes, would you
[29:55] respond to that, please?
[29:56] >> The problem with NAFTA is not the desire
[29:59] to reduce trade barriers. When trade
[30:01] barriers are reduced, America does
[30:03] genuinely well. We're the most
[30:04] competitive nation in the world. If we
[30:07] reduce barriers here at home on
[30:08] Americans getting ahead, we will
[30:10] continue to be by by far the most
[30:12] competitive nation in the world.
[30:14] >> Mr. Buchanan, you stand by your ad?
[30:15] >> Oh, I certainly do. The problem with
[30:17] NAFTA, Steve, it was a lousy deal to
[30:19] begin with, and we knew it. Your $1
[30:20] billion trade surplus is gone. We got a
[30:22] $15 billion trade deficit with Mexico.
[30:25] 300,000 lost American jobs, many of them
[30:27] in South Carolina. If NAFTA is a
[30:30] success, I would hate to see a failure.
[30:32] We're
[30:32] >> going to take another look at another ad
[30:34] that's been run in this campaign. You
[30:35] will not see the actual ad itself, but
[30:38] this is a transcript and we'll have the
[30:40] words that the ad used and you'll hear
[30:42] those words. This is from the Forbes
[30:44] campaign.
[30:46] Lamar Alexander brags he balanced
[30:48] budgets as governor, but he doesn't tell
[30:50] you he raised taxes four times to do it
[30:53] while doubling state spending. Running
[30:56] for president, Lamar Alexander collects
[30:58] $295,000
[31:00] a year from his law firm that lobbies
[31:02] for special interest in Washington.
[31:05] And Governor Alexander, is that ad
[31:07] accurate?
[31:08] >> Well, I think Steve was right to stop
[31:10] running ads like that. I've never
[31:13] lobbied. I do work for a law firm. I
[31:16] actually have a job outside government.
[31:18] I've resigned that job now that I'm
[31:20] running for president. As far as taxes,
[31:23] after eight years, Steve could have
[31:25] pointed out if he'd been generous that I
[31:28] balanced eight budgets, reduced the
[31:30] state debt, had a AAA bond rating, no
[31:33] personal income tax, and the fifth
[31:34] lowest taxes. Three of the four tax
[31:37] increases he talks about were fee
[31:39] increases to build the best road system
[31:41] in the country. Ronald Reagan did that.
[31:43] We all want better roads. The other one
[31:45] was, I'd do it again. I told the
[31:47] teachers and the people of Tennessee
[31:49] that we would if we would become the
[31:51] first state to pay teachers more for
[31:52] teaching well merit pay that I would pay
[31:55] for it and we did that and it's helped
[31:58] us grow jobs and have a much stronger
[32:01] state economy.
[32:02] >> Thank you. Mr. Forbes, do you stand by
[32:03] your ad?
[32:04] >> I absolutely stand by it. As governor,
[32:06] he did raise taxes. As governor, he did
[32:09] double state spending. And when he
[32:11] became education secretary, he increased
[32:13] the size of that department, too.
[32:15] increase the spending there. So, he
[32:17] talks like a conservative, but he seems
[32:18] to act like a liberal. He also did work
[32:21] for a lobbying firm that paid him
[32:22] $295,000
[32:24] a year. All that is true. Moreover,
[32:26] >> Steve, you haven't learned a single
[32:28] thing in your whole campaign. The
[32:30] negative ads come right out of your
[32:31] mouth. You know that's not true. You
[32:34] spent most of this year changing our
[32:35] Republican party into a negative ad
[32:38] side, starting with Bob Doe next to me,
[32:40] and you should be ashamed of yourself,
[32:42] but continuing that kind of attack.
[32:44] Absolutely wrong,
[32:45] >> Lamar as governor. But that ad, that was
[32:48] a charitable ad. That ad did not talk
[32:50] about some of those cozy business deals
[32:52] you did as governor, investing $1,
[32:55] getting 620,00
[32:57] time up, sir. Thank you very much.
[32:59] >> You should go practice your dirty
[33:01] business on a race for the school board
[33:03] before you try for the president. Your
[33:05] business cozy business deals are not
[33:07] capitalistic. They're reminders.
[33:09] >> My ethics have never been. Would you
[33:11] wait just a minute? My ethics have never
[33:13] been questioned. Never been questioned.
[33:15] Sir, Mr. the United States Senate, a
[33:18] Democratic majority with Senator Dole
[33:20] there examined everything I've done in
[33:22] my life and not one single senator voted
[33:24] against that. You come into this
[33:26] campaign never having run for any
[33:27] office.
[33:30] Let's give the other candidates a chance
[33:31] to talk to
[33:34] how you turn $1 into
[33:38] my turn. I think Bob, can you get them
[33:40] to yield to me? Bob,
[33:41] >> I like what they're doing, BUT I
[33:43] >> I'M ENJOYING THIS. WE'LL YIELD YOU GUYS
[33:45] SOME MORE TIME. NO, let me say this. Let
[33:48] me say this. Look, I you know, let me
[33:51] excuse me. Let me side with Lamar on
[33:53] this. Really? And let me side with Steve
[33:55] Forbes on the issue of I don't care how
[33:57] much Steve Forbes Steve Forbes inherited
[33:59] 400 whatever it was. He inherited the
[34:01] money. So what? Who cares what's in his
[34:04] tax return? Who cares about this
[34:06] nonsense? Why don't we focus this on
[34:08] issues? Focus on what we're going to do
[34:10] for the country. And when we when we
[34:12] criticize an opponent, let's do it. if
[34:13] they stood with NAFTA and GAP and I
[34:15] don't believe in those. I stood against
[34:17] them. Let's argue it on that basis and
[34:19] get away from this personal nonsense
[34:21] that they're doing to Steve. And Steve,
[34:22] I think you're doing to Lamar.
[34:24] >> Mr. Senator Do
[34:27] your opportunity.
[34:28] >> Well, I'm running for president. I don't
[34:30] know what these other guys are running
[34:31] for.
[34:32] >> The South Carolina primary is this
[34:34] Saturday.
[34:44] Now, money in presidential politics.
[34:46] Margaret Warner has that story.
[34:48] >> Money has always played a major role in
[34:50] presidential campaigns, but there are
[34:52] some new wrinkles this year. One is the
[34:54] sheer magnitude of the spending. To
[34:57] explore the consequences of this and
[34:59] other new twists and quirks in the
[35:01] campaign money picture this year, we're
[35:03] joined by two seasoned political hands.
[35:05] Republican consultant Roger Stone, a
[35:07] veteran of Ronald Reagan's presidential
[35:09] campaigns, managed Senator Arlland
[35:11] Spectre's bib this time around. KBY
[35:13] College professor Anthony Curado,
[35:15] managed the money for Democrat Walter
[35:17] Manddale's 1984 campaign, among others.
[35:20] Welcome, gentlemen. Roger Stone, let's
[35:22] look at the sheer magnitude of this. To
[35:25] date, Bob Dole and Steve Forbes each has
[35:27] spent more than all 11 1992 presidential
[35:31] contenders had spent at this point last
[35:34] time. Well,
[35:34] >> why?
[35:35] >> Well, I think there was a perhaps a
[35:37] miscalculation by everyone in the
[35:38] Republican party that because all the
[35:40] primaries were so front-loaded and
[35:41] because 75% of the delegates will be
[35:43] selected by the end of March that you
[35:46] had to spend your load of money early to
[35:48] score early and try to score an early
[35:50] knockout. Of course, that hasn't
[35:51] happened and now each one of these four
[35:53] remaining candidates is in a completely
[35:55] different financial straight.
[35:57] >> Tony Curado, do you have anything to add
[35:59] to that? What has been driving this
[36:00] spending? Well, one of the things I
[36:03] would say is that none of these
[36:04] candidates expected that they would be
[36:05] going against a contender like Steven
[36:07] Forbes, who could spend virtually
[36:09] unlimited amounts of money and therefore
[36:11] really contest the race from out of
[36:13] nowhere. As a result, Forbes has really
[36:15] served to fuel the spending in this
[36:17] race. While we all knew that it would be
[36:19] expensive because of the compressed
[36:21] schedule of primaries, Steven Forbes
[36:23] forced candidates to spend more money
[36:25] earlier than they wanted to,
[36:27] particularly in December where a number
[36:30] of candidates, particularly Graham and
[36:31] Alexander, had to spend a lot more than
[36:33] they wanted on television to prevent
[36:35] Forbes from breaking away. And then more
[36:38] recently, Bob Dole has had to
[36:39] significantly increase his spending in
[36:41] order to keep pace with Forbes and to
[36:44] overcome the challenge he now faces in
[36:46] these primaries. And so Roger Stone, Bob
[36:48] Dole's now in a position where this
[36:49] could backfire on him.
[36:50] >> Well, the irony is that I think just as
[36:52] he's about to begin a pretty significant
[36:54] winning streak because I think Senator
[36:55] Dole will win in South Carolina on
[36:57] Saturday, I think he's very likely to
[36:59] win the junior Tuesday primary in New
[37:01] England and Georgia and Colorado on
[37:04] Tuesday. Uh I think he would then be
[37:06] poised to do well in Super Tuesday. Just
[37:09] as he is poised for takeoff, he's also
[37:11] going to bump into the limits in my view
[37:13] sometime here in late March. Um so as he
[37:16] >> I explain that that the there's a
[37:18] national cap.
[37:19] >> You have a national cap in which each
[37:21] presidential candidate can spend. Bob
[37:23] Dole's problem is not the inability to
[37:24] raise more money. It's the inability to
[37:26] spend more money. U that contrasted with
[37:30] say Lamar Alexander who if he does not
[37:32] get 10% of the vote in the South
[37:33] Carolina primary on Saturday by federal
[37:36] law he would lose his eligibility for
[37:38] federal matching funds. In order to get
[37:40] it back he would have to get 20% of the
[37:42] vote in the very next primary which is
[37:43] the following Tuesday. both in my
[37:45] opinion highly probable over the first
[37:47] one highly unprobable highly probable
[37:50] and the second one unlikely so he may be
[37:52] the first candidate financially to flame
[37:54] out here
[37:54] >> well I want to get back to Alexander but
[37:56] let's just finish up with Dole and
[37:57] Forbes Tony Curado what is your estimate
[38:00] of how much more actually Bob Dole can
[38:02] spend what can he actually spend in the
[38:04] month of March before he basically taps
[38:07] out against this $37 million limit
[38:09] >> well Bob Dole had already spent about
[38:11] $25 million by the end of February and
[38:14] he's Isn't that the end of January?
[38:16] >> Oh, that's the end of January. And then
[38:17] I I estimate that he has spent another 4
[38:19] million to5 million in the month of
[38:21] February. So that he's right up around
[38:23] $30 million now. And he's facing a
[38:26] series of primaries here in the next 14
[38:28] days that are very expensive. Even
[38:30] minimal television buys are going to
[38:32] cost him another million to a million5.
[38:35] And I expect that he is going to be in a
[38:37] position where he will only have three
[38:38] or four million dollars left to spend in
[38:41] the second half of March. And therefore,
[38:43] he is going to be the first presidential
[38:45] candidate who is going to face a very
[38:47] serious limit problem because even if he
[38:50] does well, as Roger just noted, and
[38:52] wraps this up by the third week of March
[38:54] or so, and finishes us off in
[38:56] California, he's going to be sitting
[38:58] there at the first week of April with
[39:00] essentially no more room to spend money.
[39:02] And he has to go all the way to August
[39:04] to his convention before he can refuel.
[39:07] and he's going to be facing a Bill
[39:08] Clinton who will still have at least $10
[39:10] million to spend through the last couple
[39:13] of months of the primaries and that will
[39:15] be a significant advantage.
[39:16] >> I read today, Roger Stone, that Forb
[39:18] said he's going to spend a million
[39:20] dollars on TV just next week just in New
[39:22] York. Is there anything Dole can do to
[39:26] try to match Forb spending or is he
[39:28] absolutely hamstrung by these limits?
[39:30] >> I don't think there's anything Forbes
[39:31] can do, pardon me, Dole can do, but I
[39:33] think there are things that can be done
[39:34] for Dole. For example, when Forbes
[39:36] surged in the Iowa and New Hampshire
[39:38] contests, the realtors, the
[39:40] homebuilders, others who recognized that
[39:43] the flat tax plan would be very
[39:44] threatening to their livelihood stepped
[39:46] forward and educated voters about those
[39:48] plans with radio, with television, with
[39:50] mailings. Now, New York State has the
[39:52] highest income taxes in the United
[39:54] States. Under the Forbes flat tax plan,
[39:57] those taxes would not be deductible on
[39:59] the federal return. Um, I believe a
[40:01] number of the tax groups, uh, the
[40:02] realtors, the home builders are going to
[40:04] step forward and they're going to
[40:06] educate the voters. Now, Dole will be
[40:07] the beneficiary of that. It's not done
[40:09] with his direction or his coordination,
[40:11] but others will step forward to fill
[40:12] this void in my opinion.
[40:14] >> Do you think that can be enough, Tony
[40:15] Curado?
[40:16] >> Well, it may be enough, but we also have
[40:18] to remember that Pat Buchanan is still
[40:20] in this race. And Buchanan is finally in
[40:22] the best financial position that he has
[40:24] ever been in in his two presidential
[40:26] races. He has a very strong direct mail
[40:29] fundraising base and has been raising
[40:31] significant amounts of money, especially
[40:33] from conservative activists, Christian
[40:35] evangelicals, and gun owners who give
[40:38] small contributions that are matched
[40:40] with matching funds. So that he's in a
[40:42] position now where he can still outspend
[40:44] Bob Dole by 10 to 15 million. And I
[40:47] think he's capable of raising that
[40:48] money. And that is going to stretch Dole
[40:50] even further because Dole is going to
[40:52] have to be fending off the Pap Buchanan
[40:54] attacks. He's in a situation where he's
[40:56] not just running against Steve Forbes,
[40:58] he's still running against a
[40:59] multicandidate field and that's the
[41:01] biggest financial predicament he faces
[41:03] now.
[41:04] >> And what is your assessment, Roger
[41:05] Stone, of Buchanan's financial picture?
[41:07] >> Well, you agree with Tony
[41:08] >> partially. Pat Buchkin's got a broad
[41:10] financial base of about 125,000 donors
[41:13] nationally. Um, and they will continue
[41:15] to give as long as Pat continues to
[41:17] provide success. However, if he does not
[41:20] win in South Carolina, if he does not
[41:23] win in Colorado or Georgia or some of
[41:25] the New England states, if he does not
[41:27] win on Super Tuesday in the South,
[41:29] you'll start to see diminishing returns.
[41:31] He will still raise money, but not at
[41:32] the clip that he has been raising it
[41:34] because it's all been based on his
[41:36] surprise success in New Hampshire. So, I
[41:38] I think that the Buchanan has sort of
[41:40] catch22 situation. He can ra he can
[41:42] spend 15 million more dollars if he can
[41:44] raise them, but he can only raise them
[41:46] if if he provides political success and
[41:48] that means victory in some of these
[41:49] primaries.
[41:49] >> And Tony Crow, finally, let's go back to
[41:51] the point that Roger made earlier about
[41:53] Lamar Alexander who has to get at least
[41:56] 10% in South Carolina to even continue
[41:58] qualifying for matching funds. What is
[42:00] your assessment of Alexander's financial
[42:02] picture right now?
[42:03] >> Well, by far Lamar Alexander is in the
[42:05] weakest financial position of all of
[42:07] these candidates. In fact, he is the one
[42:09] who is suffering most from this
[42:10] unforgiving process that he is involved
[42:12] in. He cannot capitalize on the early
[42:16] victories or not really victories but at
[42:17] least moral victories that he received
[42:20] in Iowa and New Hampshire because the
[42:22] time is so tight. Even though he's
[42:24] raising a h 100,000 to $200,000 a day by
[42:27] his own campaign estimates, he's in a
[42:30] process that is much more expensive than
[42:32] that. So, he has had to pick and choose
[42:34] the states he can campaign in. and he
[42:36] has not been able to really take
[42:37] advantage of that early uh push that he
[42:40] got from the Iowa and New Hampshire
[42:42] races and therefore he is really living
[42:44] hand-tomouth. He is in what I call a
[42:46] cash flow nightmare where his campaign
[42:49] is looking at how much money cleared the
[42:50] bank today and how much can we spend and
[42:53] if he does not win soon and I mean by
[42:56] Georgia he is probably going to see most
[42:58] of his resources dry up and he'll be
[43:00] forced to leave the race.
[43:01] >> Well, gentlemen, both of you thanks very
[43:03] much. We have to leave it there.
[43:14] Now, Whitewater and the debate in the
[43:16] Senate over whether to end its special
[43:18] investigation.Wami Hullman reports.
[43:21] >> Recently, the Senate Whitewater hearings
[43:23] have been marked by the sudden discovery
[43:25] of long missing White House documents
[43:27] that had been subpoenaed by the
[43:29] committee.
[43:29] >> This packet of information from Mr.
[43:31] Garin, January 29th.
[43:35] Here's another packet of information.
[43:40] We get again from Mr. Garing.
[43:43] >> February 7th.
[43:45] >> It happened again last week, angering
[43:47] committee chairman Alon Stamato, who
[43:49] demanded a top Clinton aid explain why
[43:52] those documents had been missing for so
[43:54] long.
[43:54] >> We have turned over 14 some thousand
[43:57] pages of documents, I'm told, to this
[43:59] committee alone. Uh we've turned over 50
[44:02] to 60,000 documents in total to various
[44:04] committees in the independent council.
[44:06] We are not hiding anything.
[44:08] >> But Damato said the delay in getting
[44:11] documents left him no choice but to ask
[44:13] that the life of the Whitewater
[44:15] committee be extended.
[44:16] >> By gosh, you just can't withhold things.
[44:19] Tell us let this that we're wasting
[44:21] time, that we're spending taxpayers
[44:23] money inappropriately. And with the
[44:25] committee's authorization set to expire
[44:27] at midnight tonight, Chairman Damato
[44:29] went to the Senate floor this afternoon
[44:31] to urge his colleagues to support an
[44:33] open-ended extension of the committee's
[44:36] work.
[44:36] >> That if we don't set a timeline, it will
[44:38] occasion those who may be attempting
[44:42] to hold back to get past that day to be
[44:44] more forthcoming
[44:46] because they're going to know that these
[44:48] matters, whatever they are, whatever the
[44:49] testimony, whatever the documents are
[44:51] going to come out. Better to let the
[44:53] chips fall where they may now as opposed
[44:57] to later. I suggest to you that we'll
[44:59] probably have a chance a better chance
[45:00] of winding this up sooner rather than
[45:02] later.
[45:03] >> But minority leader Tom Dashel stood to
[45:06] say enough is enough.
[45:07] >> There has never in the history to our
[45:09] knowledge of the United States Senate
[45:12] been a request of this kind. Never. It's
[45:15] unprecedented.
[45:17] No one has ever said, "We want a fishing
[45:19] license to allow us to go on for
[45:21] whatever length of time it takes."
[45:24] That's never been made before. We have
[45:26] never found ourselves in a situation
[45:28] like this in a presidential year.
[45:32] Is it coincidental
[45:34] that given all the problems we see now
[45:36] in the Republican party, they
[45:38] conveniently need another six or seven
[45:40] months to take this into the Republican
[45:42] and Democratic conventions?
[45:44] >> Is that what it's all about?
[45:46] This is unprecedented and it's wrong.
[45:50] >> And Democrats say Senator Damato's case
[45:52] was not helped by the disclosure today
[45:54] of a report to the Federal Deposit
[45:56] Insurance Corporation saying there's no
[45:59] basis to take legal action against the
[46:01] Rose Law Firm for Mrs. Clinton's
[46:03] Whitewater related work. And I might
[46:05] point out and ask the minority leader
[46:07] whether or not he's aware of this, but
[46:08] the earlier report, which this l latest
[46:11] report supplements, concludes, and on
[46:14] page 78 of the report, therefore,
[46:17] pending the results
[46:19] of the criminal case, it is recommended
[46:22] that no further resources be expended on
[46:25] the whitewater part of the
[46:26] investigation. Was the minority leader
[46:28] aware of that conclusion? Well, I'd
[46:30] respond to the distinguished senator
[46:31] from Connecticut that I was not aware
[46:33] until today that the report had been
[46:35] completed and made available and that it
[46:38] had such a resounding exoneration of the
[46:41] Clintons.
[46:42] >> Democrats say they would settle for
[46:43] giving the committee limited funding and
[46:45] extending hearings only through April
[46:48] 3rd.
[46:48] >> Five weeks of additional hearings should
[46:50] be more than adequate to complete the
[46:53] so-called Arkansas phase of this
[46:55] investigation. But committee Republicans
[46:58] say that's unacceptable.
[46:59] >> The other side of this aisle is saying
[47:01] is that we should put a price on the
[47:04] integrity of the White House and it's
[47:06] costing too much to establish whether
[47:10] there is integrity in the White House or
[47:12] not and that we should cut off we and
[47:15] let it go. We we simply cannot afford to
[47:18] establish the integrity of the White
[47:19] House. But as to the length of a
[47:23] hearing,
[47:26] it's the length of a bull fight. It's
[47:29] whose ox is being gored. And right now,
[47:33] the way it is going, I don't see why
[47:36] anyone would not want the hearings to
[47:39] continue. In fact, to clear her pristine
[47:42] name, I would have thought the first
[47:44] lady would have been down here saying,
[47:46] "Please go on with the hearings. I want
[47:49] this cloud removed from my law practice
[47:54] and what I have done in my life prior to
[47:56] being in Washington.
[47:57] >> Senator Damato says he will try again
[47:59] next week to extend the life of the
[48:01] committee and the Republicans do have
[48:03] the votes to do so, but Democrats have
[48:05] the votes to keep debating and prevent
[48:07] the issue from coming up for a vote.
[48:10] Meanwhile, the special whitewater
[48:11] committee hearings have been
[48:13] discontinued.
[48:22] Finally tonight, our second round of
[48:24] Republican candidate stump speeches
[48:26] continues with a Pat Buchanan speech
[48:28] this week in Marietta, Georgia. The
[48:30] Georgia primary is next Tuesday. This
[48:33] >> is our country, my friends. We are the
[48:35] true sons and daughters of the founding
[48:38] fathers, and we are coming to take
[48:40] REPOSSESSION OF OUR FATHER'S HOUSE.
[48:49] They asked me, "What is the objective of
[48:51] your campaign, Pat?" And I said, "We're
[48:54] going TO RESTORE THE CONSTITUTIONAL
[48:56] REPUBLIC THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS
[48:58] DREAMED OF.
[49:00] What are they doing?
[49:04] What are they DOING WITH THIS MONSTROUS
[49:06] DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION?
[49:08] I
[49:09] >> mean, 35 WHAT? $35 BILLION A YEAR. THEY
[49:13] GOT THESE CHARACTERS UP THERE IN SANDALS
[49:14] AND BEADS trying to tell us how to
[49:17] educate America's children.
[49:24] >> I'll tell you, you know, Ronald Reagan
[49:27] when he CAME INTO OFFICE, HE SAID HE WAS
[49:30] GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE Department of
[49:31] Education.
[49:34] >> He didn't do it.
[49:36] But you tell the gipper, I'm going to
[49:37] finish the job for him.
[49:40] When we get there,
[49:46] Mr. President,
[49:48] Ronald Reagan's 85 years old. Mr.
[49:50] President, when we get there, no more
[49:52] goals 2000. No more outcomebased
[49:54] education. Shut down the US Department
[49:56] of Education. Give the money back to the
[49:58] people.
[50:01] My friends,
[50:03] we have a great movement and a great
[50:05] cause here. It is larger than any man.
[50:07] It is larger than me. It is what you are
[50:10] about. But it's what our country's
[50:11] about. People want to take back America.
[50:13] We know they gotten too. Both parties up
[50:16] there are gotten away FROM US. BOTH
[50:17] PARTIES BEEN SELLING OUT the workers IN
[50:19] THIS COUNTRY. BOTH PARTIES BEEN HAULING
[50:21] HAULING WATER FOR WALL STREET. HAULING
[50:23] WATER FOR THOSE BIG CORPORATIONS. THEY
[50:25] SHUT DOWN FACTORIES HERE, ship the jobs
[50:28] overseas. We got to become one nation,
[50:30] one people under God again.
[50:33] >> All of us.
[50:37] >> And we're going to do it. tell you
[50:40] and we're winning. We're winning. You
[50:42] know, Bob, they're all they they are
[50:44] going they're having a hissy fit up
[50:46] there in Washington.
[50:48] They are unhappy in Washington tonight.
[50:51] >> They heard they HEARD THE NOISE FROM
[50:53] ALASKA AND THEY SAID, "WELL, WHAT WHAT
[50:55] HAPPENED UP THERE?" THEY SAID, "SOMEBODY
[50:56] BUCHANAN WON UP THERE."
[50:57] >> And then CAME OUT OF LOUISIANA IN THE
[50:59] BAYOU
[51:00] >> AND they were stunned.
[51:02] >> Then we got THREE POINTS FROM BOB DOLE
[51:04] UP THERE IN IOWA.
[51:05] >> They said Buchanan is made. THEN WE WON
[51:07] NEW HAMPSHIRE and they're going wild up
[51:10] there in Washington right now. THEY'RE
[51:12] UNSETTLED. BOB DOLE SAID HE'S NERVOUS.
[51:13] HE SAID, "I THINK PAT'S an extremist."
[51:16] >> And I said, "Listen, Bob, HOW CAN I BE
[51:18] AN EXTREMIST WHEN YOU'RE STEALING ALL MY
[51:20] IDEAS AND PARODYING my rhetoric?"
[51:24] Bob
[51:26] heard Bob Dole gave a speech
[51:29] Bob gave a SPEECH THE OTHER DAY. HE
[51:31] SAID, "LISTEN, THERE'S I DON'T LIKE this
[51:32] garbage that's in the movies." YOU KNOW,
[51:34] BOB HASN'T seen a movie in 30 years.
[51:38] The last one he WENT TO WAS THE SOUND OF
[51:39] MUSIC,
[51:41] BUT HE'S ALL TALKING ABOUT THE CULTURAL
[51:43] WAR FOR THE SOUL OF AMERICA. I told him
[51:45] we keep it up. I'm going to get him for
[51:46] copyright violation.
[51:49] And how about old Bill Clinton? You
[51:51] know, look at you. Somebody's heard that
[51:52] State of the Union. One of that fellow
[51:55] immish in the morning fella. That was a
[51:57] great state of the union. I think
[51:58] Patrick Cannon wrote that.
[52:00] Here's Clinton. HERE'S A GUY TRYING TO
[52:02] GRAB THE ENTIRE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITH
[52:03] the help of Hillary
[52:05] >> and he's up there IN THE STATE OF THE
[52:06] UNION. THE ERA OF BIG GOVERNMENT IS
[52:08] OVER.
[52:10] >> 1996 Clinton's running against a guy who
[52:12] was president 1994.
[52:15] A year later he's going to we're going
[52:16] TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ILLEGAL
[52:17] IMMIGRATION. CLINTON SAYS CLINTON SAID,
[52:19] "THIS GUY SHAMELESS. WE GOT TO GET
[52:20] PRAYER BACK IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. LET
[52:23] ME TELL YOU, YOU ALL WAIT. YOU WAIT.
[52:26] TWO, three weeks. Clinton will come
[52:28] saing into one of those National Rifle
[52:30] Association meetings.
[52:34] He'll be all he'd be dressed up in those
[52:37] camouflage combat camouflage outfit and
[52:40] the fatigue hats, you know, holding up
[52:43] an AK-47
[52:45] SAYING, "DON'T TRY TO TAKE MY FIREARMS
[52:47] AWAY FROM ME.
[52:50] This guy is shameless."
[52:52] You know,
[52:54] you know, Clint says,
[52:57] >> you know what he says?
[52:59] He says, wait, says, Mr. Clinton says,
[53:02] there's nobody I'd like to run better
[53:03] against and bill than Much Cannon. Let
[53:06] me tell you something, MR. PRESIDENT.
[53:07] THERE'S NOBODY I'D ENJOY BETTER RUNNING
[53:09] AGAINST THAN YOU, SIR.
[53:16] You know how
[53:19] >> you know how
[53:35] you know how let me tell you something.
[53:38] >> You know how Bill Clinton will look at
[53:39] some some fell in audience and get that
[53:41] hurt look on his face?
[53:44] You say, "I feel your pain."
[53:49] >> You give me the Republican nomination
[53:51] and he will feel the pain.
[54:02] >> Listen, my friends,
[54:04] what a magnificent reception down here.
[54:07] This country's on fire. George is on
[54:10] fire. This country's on fire. You know,
[54:12] one week, one, four years ago, we came
[54:15] down here out of New Hampshire, out of
[54:16] the snow. We didn't know what to expect.
[54:18] And the wonderful people of Georgia took
[54:20] us to their hearts. We campaigned up and
[54:22] down this state. We took that great bus
[54:24] tour all the way down nine cities to
[54:25] Fitzgerald and back up to Atlanta and
[54:27] Marietta right here. And I'll tell you,
[54:30] we did as good as we could. We got 37%
[54:32] of the vote.
[54:34] >> I look out this crowd. I think we're
[54:36] going to do a little better than that. I
[54:37] think we're going to carry Georgia.
[54:40] at Buchanan in Marietta, Georgia.
[54:51] Again, the major stories of this
[54:53] Thursday. President Clinton warned Cuba
[54:55] not to interfere with the memorial
[54:56] flotillaa honoring four Cubanameans shot
[54:59] down last Saturday. The Senate debated a
[55:01] Republican proposal to extend the
[55:03] Whitewater hearings indefinitely.
[55:05] Democrats Democrats blocked a vote on
[55:07] that measure. The House passed a bill to
[55:09] overhaul government farm programs and
[55:12] television executives said they would go
[55:13] along with a program rating system being
[55:16] urged by the Clinton administration.
[55:18] We'll see you tomorrow night with
[55:19] Shields and Jig Go among other things.
[55:21] I'm Jim Lara. Thank you and good night.
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