ABC News - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 8 p.m. (E)
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[0:00] may or may not be the Ramila field which
[0:02] is the closest one to the border. This
[0:04] is ABC News continuing live coverage of
[0:06] the war with Iraq.
[0:16] Hello again everybody. I'm Peter
[0:17] Jennings at uh ABC News headquarters in
[0:20] New York. This is our continuing
[0:22] coverage of the campaign against Iraq.
[0:24] We are very much in the dark about some
[0:27] things and we know a fair amount of some
[0:29] other things that have transpired. And
[0:32] at the beginning of every hour, it's now
[0:33] 8:00 in the east, 5:00 in the west, and
[0:36] 4:00 in the morning um on the
[0:39] battlefield. Uh these are some of the
[0:41] things that we know um have transpired
[0:45] today. Uh we know that there were
[0:47] various strikes by the US today in
[0:49] Baghdad itself and up towards Basra. We
[0:51] also know the British were involved in
[0:53] an operation going across the Kuwaiti
[0:55] Iraq border up towards Bastra. The first
[0:57] important city,300,000
[1:00] people on the way to Baghdad been an
[1:02] issue of huge speculation as to how
[1:04] people in Basra would respond to US
[1:07] andor British forces because it's a
[1:08] largely Shiite Muslim population, the
[1:11] majority population in Iraq. But the
[1:14] leader Saddam Hussein is a Sunni and the
[1:16] Shiites have been profoundly uh
[1:19] repressed by the Sunni leadership for
[1:21] many many years particularly in the
[1:23] south and this is one of the places
[1:25] where the Americans believe they really
[1:27] will be greeted with flowers and not
[1:29] with bullets but there are as our
[1:30] military analysts tell us some some
[1:32] armies deployed uh in the area between
[1:35] the Kuwait border and Basra certainly
[1:37] question is what will they do whether
[1:39] it's re revolutionary guard farther up
[1:41] or the regular army farther to the
[1:43] south, will they put their weapons down
[1:45] and decide not to fight? We also know,
[1:47] of course, that the US launched another
[1:49] series of strikes on Baghdad. Um, US and
[1:52] British forces again used cruise
[1:53] missiles fired from the Persian Gulf and
[1:55] from the Red Sea. It is a British pool
[1:57] report we had earlier today that the
[1:59] Royal Commandos were involved in their
[2:01] biggest operation uh since the Faulland
[2:03] War as they launched an attack on
[2:05] southern Iraq. ABC's John McQuey reports
[2:08] that only cruise missiles were used
[2:09] today, not bombs from aircraft because
[2:12] at this moment still the Baghdad
[2:14] environment is considered too dangerous
[2:18] or too potentially dangerous for manned
[2:20] aircraft uh to fly in and it will take
[2:23] time. As you've noticed as we've looked
[2:25] at Baghdad, I think we can still look at
[2:26] Baghdad live almost at will.
[2:29] As we look at Baghdad at 4:00 in the
[2:31] morning, it is fairly quiet. And the
[2:33] fact that it is fairly quiet suggests
[2:35] that out there in the darkness are not
[2:37] only US forces prepared to attack from
[2:40] the air, but Iraqi anti-aircraft
[2:43] capability, uh, which is not
[2:46] insignificant. And as we remember from
[2:48] the last campaign 12 years ago, the
[2:50] Iraqis do have a capability to get at US
[2:53] aircraft if they fly too low. So this
[2:57] huge assault that we are anticipating uh
[3:00] shock and awe, it's been called more
[3:01] than once by members of the
[3:03] administration and members of the
[3:05] military uh has not apparently yet
[3:07] transpired. But let's go to the Pentagon
[3:11] and the man who knows more than the most
[3:13] of us about what is happening, John
[3:14] McCathy. John, yours,
[3:16] >> Peter. The important thing that is about
[3:18] to happen as the sun comes up uh across
[3:21] the desert out in Iraq, American forces
[3:24] have moved from Kuwait and are beginning
[3:26] to pour across that border. They've been
[3:29] doing some of them moved out earlier
[3:31] during the uh the course of the night,
[3:33] but now the main thrust, the main move
[3:35] toward Baghdad has begun. uh future
[3:38] missile.
[3:40] >> American and British troops spent the
[3:42] night removing obstacles at the border.
[3:44] For hours, US artillery lit up the
[3:47] blackened desert sky, smashing units of
[3:50] the regular Iraqi army that were too far
[3:52] away to shoot back. Helicopter gunships
[3:56] ranged ahead, scouting and shooting as
[3:58] they went. One was shot down by small
[4:01] arms fire, but was recovered by the army
[4:03] and repaired. Planes from aircraft
[4:06] carriers and from air bases in the
[4:08] region accelerated their attacks on the
[4:10] southern half of Iraq. What the military
[4:13] calls softening the battlefield.
[4:15] >> They had nothing to do per se to strikes
[4:19] with anything else that was going on
[4:20] today other than to continue to prep the
[4:23] battlefield to clear a path for further
[4:26] on air strikes and ground operations.
[4:29] Coalition forces quickly overran the
[4:31] small isolated Iraqi town of Um Kasar, a
[4:34] fishing village near the Kuwaiti border.
[4:37] It was on the way to the real goal, the
[4:40] large port city of Basra. This is the
[4:43] first major city the US is likely to
[4:45] capture in Iraq, and today it got its
[4:48] first taste of the intensified air
[4:50] campaign. For the second night, the
[4:52] skies over Baghdad lit up as the US air
[4:56] attack continued there. In this phase,
[4:58] sources say the US using 24 Tomahawk
[5:02] cruise missiles continued to go after
[5:04] the leadership of Iraq, just as it did
[5:07] with its dramatic opening attack last
[5:09] night.
[5:09] >> That was the first.
[5:12] It will likely not be the last.
[5:15] The days of the Saddam Hussein regime
[5:18] are numbered.
[5:19] >> What lies ahead, Defense Secretary
[5:21] Rumsfeld predicted, will be far more
[5:24] impressive. What will follow will not be
[5:26] a repeat of any other conflict. It will
[5:28] be a of a force and scope and scale that
[5:32] has been beyond what has been seen
[5:35] before.
[5:37] Operation Iraqi Freedom got off to an
[5:40] unexpectedly early start last night
[5:43] because the US had unexpectedly good
[5:46] intelligence. They believed they knew
[5:48] where Saddam Hussein was and jumped on
[5:51] it. There is an intense debate today
[5:54] about whether the US did in fact kill
[5:56] Saddam Hussein last night, but no proof
[5:59] one way or the other. Going after
[6:01] leadership Rumsfeld believes not only
[6:04] shakes their confidence, but rattles all
[6:06] the people around them.
[6:08] >> I often try to put myself in other
[6:10] people's shoes. Once they are persuaded
[6:13] that that regime is is history, it is
[6:16] going. It will not be there. Then their
[6:18] behavior begins to tip and change.
[6:20] Rumsfeld is hoping the bombing campaign
[6:23] and the land assault will all add to
[6:25] people changing their mind. Army units
[6:28] surrendering, the Iraqi people welcoming
[6:31] the American invasion. That is his hope.
[6:34] For much of the rest of Iraq, the last
[6:36] 24 hours has been a period shrouded in
[6:39] secrecy. US special operations troops
[6:42] have begun their campaign. Sources
[6:44] outside the US government report
[6:46] American commandos capturing a remote
[6:49] airfield in Iraq's western desert called
[6:52] H3, a potential American air base inside
[6:56] Iraq. And late this evening, Peter, we
[6:59] are now picking up some signs of
[7:01] explosions near that port city of Basra
[7:04] to which I referred earlier in my story.
[7:06] Basra, that key port city, American
[7:09] forces now approaching it. Uh it is not
[7:13] clear at this hour whether or not it is
[7:15] an aerial bombardment or whether or not
[7:17] it is artillery and helicopters going
[7:20] after Iraqi positions, but it seems
[7:22] pretty clear there's a fight around
[7:24] Basra.
[7:25] >> So So a fight, John, or an attack,
[7:28] resistance or or just an attack? Do you
[7:32] have any idea at all?
[7:33] >> No idea, Peter. Uh what we are hearing
[7:36] is the beginning of the US attack
[7:39] presumably. uh and uh whether or not the
[7:42] Iraqis are resisting uh is unknown and
[7:45] it will not be known probably until
[7:48] tomorrow or the next day as they try to
[7:50] assess uh the battlefield in the
[7:52] aftermath.
[7:52] >> Okay, John. Let Thanks very much, John.
[7:54] Okay, let's just look at a map for a
[7:55] second so the people can absorb what it
[7:57] is happening. I mean this map of Basra
[7:59] and the and the fa peninsula. It is down
[8:02] in this area. You see a little strip of
[8:03] water there. That's Iran next door.
[8:06] Basra is uh you know very famous in
[8:10] history. Uh you know this is where
[8:11] Sinbad the sailor's adventures began
[8:13] when he went off to see the world. Also
[8:16] a home of many famous families that went
[8:18] on to be very famous in the west in in
[8:21] some cases Iraqi Jews the famous
[8:23] advertising company Sachi and Sachi. The
[8:25] Sachis came from Basra. Um it it is also
[8:29] where the Iraqis and the Iranians just
[8:32] beat the living out of each other for
[8:35] all of those wars in the mid1 1980s in
[8:37] the war which used chemical weapons and
[8:39] every other kind of uh every other kind
[8:41] of of weapon. And today in Basra there's
[8:44] this huge line of statues looking uh
[8:47] east towards Iran just sort of defiantly
[8:50] a war that Saddam Hussein started. with
[8:52] the Iranians, almost one at the
[8:53] beginning, but he pulled out in the
[8:54] final analysis, but in the final
[8:56] analysis was also forced to sign a peace
[8:58] agreement with them. It's 340 mi
[9:00] approximately southeast of Baghdad. It's
[9:02] a big city, a million400,000
[9:05] people approximately Shiite Muslims. And
[9:07] so it is a little surprising at the
[9:10] moment, but only from this one person's
[9:12] point of view to hear that there may be
[9:13] a fight there because based on a lot of
[9:16] the briefings that we had from senior
[9:18] military commanders, it was not what
[9:20] they thought they were necessarily going
[9:22] to encounter. But let us move on.
[9:28] Um, somebody help me here.
[9:32] Ah, okay. Um, we've had two kinds of
[9:34] targets in the last 12 or 14 hours. One
[9:36] of the targets that were planned to
[9:38] disrupt the Iraqi leadership and one is
[9:40] this, everybody's become familiar with
[9:42] the phrase now, the target of
[9:43] opportunity when the president signed
[9:45] off on operation based on intelligence
[9:47] that was going to go for a compound in
[9:50] southern Baghdad where they thought
[9:53] senior leaders of the Bath party, the
[9:54] leadership and perhaps Saddam Hussein
[9:56] were there. It's only the latest attempt
[10:00] to get Saddam Hussein. There's been a
[10:01] long, long campaign to get him. And
[10:03] here's ABC's Chris Wallace with the
[10:05] history of that.
[10:08] >> The general who ran the air campaign in
[10:11] Desert Storm says taking out Sodom
[10:13] Hussein is a critical part of the
[10:15] mission.
[10:16] >> But Chuck her warns, don't expect it to
[10:19] work.
[10:20] >> To eliminate Sodom Hussein's got to be
[10:21] one of the hardest jobs in the world.
[10:22] Look how he's stayed alive over the past
[10:25] 20 years in an environment where a lot
[10:28] of people want him dead.
[10:30] In the last war, the US launched 260
[10:33] attacks on leadership targets. Or who
[10:36] talked with us from Illinois, says he
[10:38] got plenty of intelligence from US
[10:40] special forces and Iraqi informants, but
[10:44] nothing he could ever count on.
[10:46] >> Fair to say that you never knew at any
[10:47] point in the Gulf War where Saddam
[10:49] Hussein either was or where he was going
[10:51] to be.
[10:52] >> If we'd had definitive knowledge, we
[10:54] probably would have dropped a bomb on
[10:55] him. The fact Saddam Hussein's alive
[10:57] indicates that we didn't know where he
[10:59] was.
[11:00] >> So, reports now Sodam Hussein has gone
[11:03] into deep hiding don't mean much to US
[11:05] officials. They say he's always in deep
[11:08] hiding.
[11:09] >> He's uh very paranoid and with good
[11:13] reason.
[11:13] >> Former CIA director James Wolsey says
[11:16] the Iraqi leader security is all but
[11:18] impenetrable. If the president had asked
[11:21] you, let me know where Saddam Hussein is
[11:24] going to be at any point in the next
[11:26] week, the next month.
[11:28] >> I think that would have been virtually
[11:29] impossible.
[11:30] I think it probably is impossible today.
[11:33] >> Saddam security has saved him from as
[11:35] many as two dozen assassination and coup
[11:37] attempts over the last quarter century.
[11:40] Reports are he sleeps in a different bed
[11:42] every night. He has a network of tunnels
[11:44] to travel underground. He's even said to
[11:47] wear a bulletproof Kevlar fedora.
[11:50] Intelligence analysts say Sodam has many
[11:52] doubles, lookalikes who appear for him
[11:55] in public. Defector Abbas Aljanabi was
[11:58] personal secretary to Saddam's son Uday.
[12:01] But even those close to the inner
[12:03] circle, he says, had to go through
[12:05] strict screening to meet with the Iraqi
[12:07] leader.
[12:08] >> Inspect everything. Two people inspect
[12:10] you. Even the socks, everything. He is
[12:14] afraid of assassination. We know very
[12:16] well that people doesn't like him.
[12:19] >> I was met by a major general
[12:23] who came to me and said, "We would like
[12:26] to assassinate Saddam Hussein."
[12:28] >> In 1995, former CIA operative Bob Bayer
[12:31] worked with Iraqis planning a military
[12:33] coup, but he says the US failed to back
[12:36] it and Saddam Hussein crushed the plot.
[12:39] >> What happened to the people who were
[12:40] caught in the Iraqi army? They take a
[12:43] very toxic acid and they put military
[12:46] defectors or anybody like that. They put
[12:48] them in this bath and it eats away their
[12:50] skin over the course of I don't know how
[12:52] many minutes. Doesn't sound like a No,
[12:55] it's a bad way to go.
[12:57] >> That kind of brutality breeds fear.
[12:59] Perhaps Sodom's most effective security
[13:01] measure.
[13:04] Whatever the reason, the people who know
[13:07] the most about him say what seems the
[13:09] simplest solution may be the least
[13:11] likely. Watch this Senate hearing.
[13:14] >> Why not get a hit team and get rid of
[13:16] him?
[13:16] >> Because I'm not sure anybody really
[13:18] knows where he is. Um it's easy to say
[13:22] it's much more difficult to to do.
[13:25] >> I think he will cause maximum damage as
[13:28] much as he can uh not only to attacking
[13:31] forces but perhaps to his own people.
[13:33] The former CIA director thinks Sodom
[13:35] will try to hide out and prolong the
[13:37] war, creating a bloodbath and hopes the
[13:40] Arab world can get the US to stop
[13:42] fighting. But Wolie says Sodom's options
[13:44] for hideouts are limited. He is loathed
[13:47] by the Kurds in the north and the Shiite
[13:49] Muslims in the south. He thinks Saddam
[13:52] will go to ground somewhere in this area
[13:54] about the size of Kentucky, including
[13:57] Baghdad and Toree, his ancestral home
[14:00] and power base. Saddam Hussein is a very
[14:02] tough man to kill, isn't he?
[14:04] >> If we're going to need 250,000 troops to
[14:06] kill him, that's why they're there.
[14:08] Without a good human intelligence source
[14:10] next to Saddam, it's going to have to be
[14:12] a house-to-house search.
[14:13] >> Iraq's a big place.
[14:14] >> It's a big place. Could take a long
[14:16] time.
[14:16] >> So, for all the troops the US will have
[14:19] in country, they may have to hope for a
[14:21] tip from someone inside the inner
[14:24] circle, someone trying to save himself.
[14:27] Once the troops commit, I think the rats
[14:30] will start coming out, jumping chip, and
[14:31] then we'll um we'll get a break.
[14:34] >> Whatever it takes. The experts we talk
[14:36] with say it's essential to catch or kill
[14:39] Saddam Hussein. They acknowledge he's no
[14:42] threat once he's removed from power.
[14:44] It's not like Osama bin Laden hiding in
[14:47] a cave. But they add, as long as Sodom
[14:50] Hussein's on the run, he can cause real
[14:52] trouble, if only as a symbol of the
[14:55] limits of US power.
[14:58] We do sometimes on television make all
[15:00] this seem a good deal simpler than it
[15:02] is. We're joined by John Hillen, uh, one
[15:04] of our analysts who's a former special
[15:06] operations officer. John, if you were
[15:08] the commander of a special forces unit,
[15:11] let's say you were in charge of all
[15:12] special forces, we'll promote you for a
[15:13] moment. in Iraq today. How would you go
[15:16] after Saddam Hussein and how difficult
[15:18] do you think it would be?
[15:20] >> Well, Peter, it's very difficult and
[15:21] that's why you'd really want to mitigate
[15:22] against the risk. I think there's
[15:23] basically three options for the United
[15:25] States and her allies. The first, of
[15:27] course, is what we saw last night and
[15:28] it's relatively riskless and that is to
[15:31] use air power and especially precision
[15:33] guided air power. That of course relies
[15:35] on good intelligence and we thought we
[15:37] were acting on that last night and the
[15:38] result remains to be seen. Uh the second
[15:41] option, a little less risky but still
[15:42] one that has a good deal of uh of
[15:45] problems associated with it is to have
[15:48] uh an Iraqi agent, an agent on our
[15:50] behalf working in and trying to get
[15:52] Saddam Hussein or his inner circle. And
[15:54] then lastly, and one that entails a
[15:56] great degree of risk is to put actual
[15:58] Americans, either uh uh agents or
[16:01] uniform personnel in there to try to
[16:02] take out Saddam Hussein. And as we saw
[16:04] in something like Moadishu in 1993, that
[16:07] can turn bad in a hurry if if you don't
[16:09] uh if you don't plan it exactly right.
[16:11] >> It's the last one actually that I was
[16:12] thinking of, the third or two, because
[16:13] US policy for years has been to hope to
[16:15] get some Iraqi near Saddam Hussein to
[16:17] shoot him and they never succeeded.
[16:18] >> But but you cannot really imagine or I
[16:21] shouldn't presume. Can you imagine any
[16:24] circumstances under which uniformed
[16:26] special forces operators would want to
[16:28] be landing in the neighborhood of
[16:30] Baghdad under these circumstances?
[16:32] It's it's hard to imagine sending a lot
[16:35] of uniformed uh military personnel from
[16:37] the US into Baghdad itself. But we do
[16:40] know that Saddam Hussein moves uh and
[16:42] it's hard to track his movements. Uh and
[16:44] we do know that at some point in time
[16:45] during this campaign, he may move
[16:47] outside of Baghdad, especially if uh if
[16:50] uh a cruise missile strike such as that
[16:51] last night is effective in in attacking
[16:53] his inner circle. And if he moves
[16:55] outside of Baghdad, opportunity may
[16:57] present itself where there may be a
[16:58] chance to uh literally swoop in and uh
[17:01] in the form of a raid or direct action
[17:03] as we call call it in the special
[17:04] operations business, try to get them.
[17:06] >> When a you when a special forces team
[17:08] lands in somewhere in Iraq, as it
[17:11] clearly has today and perhaps in several
[17:12] places, how is it sustained by the
[17:15] larger military
[17:17] operation or is it pretty much on its
[17:20] own?
[17:20] >> It for the most part it's on its own,
[17:22] Peter. It really depends on the kind of
[17:23] mission, but one of the things that's
[17:24] special about special operations is is
[17:27] the flexibility and they're usually a
[17:29] very short duration. You would expect
[17:31] almost any operation to go in and out uh
[17:34] very rapidly. Uh it would have a force
[17:36] package surrounding it with all sorts of
[17:38] supporting aircraft, uh backup forces,
[17:41] refueling aircraft if it had to go over
[17:43] long distances, but for the most part,
[17:44] it would be a package put together very
[17:46] mission specific and meant to go in and
[17:48] out of the area very quickly. And how
[17:50] heavily armed?
[17:53] >> Well, as heavily armed as the mission
[17:54] requires. Very flexible capability. Uh
[17:57] but for the most part, I can hardly
[17:59] imagine a contingency uh in Iraq,
[18:01] whether it's around getting Saddam or
[18:02] not, in which you wouldn't want to be as
[18:04] well armed as possible.
[18:05] >> But this would be personal arms. You're
[18:07] not going in with any equipment. You're
[18:08] just going in with personal arms, right?
[18:10] >> Well, it would depend. They would break
[18:12] up. For instance, if this were a raid to
[18:14] take advantage of some actionable
[18:16] intelligence where we knew Saddam or
[18:18] other members of his inner circle were,
[18:20] uh, you would have it broken up. You
[18:21] would have an assault team. You would
[18:23] have a support team that might be more
[18:24] heavily armed to provide covering fire.
[18:26] And you would have an actual snatch
[18:27] team, uh, that would be there to either
[18:29] kill or capture uh, whatever target was
[18:32] in the area. So, it really depend. Very
[18:34] flexible missions. U,, a lot of air
[18:36] support would be required and then a lot
[18:38] of contingency planning for if something
[18:40] went wrong and how to get everybody back
[18:41] out safely. Speaking realistically and
[18:43] having seen pictures like that thousands
[18:45] and thousands of times on television, do
[18:47] you think special forces have
[18:49] in your mind ever play a role in
[18:51] actually capturing Saddam Hussein?
[18:53] We we have capabilities that can do this
[18:55] sort of thing, but given the risk
[18:57] involved and given the the larger scale
[18:59] of operations that are taking place both
[19:01] in the special operations arena, which
[19:02] will have quite a few missions ongoing
[19:04] and in the larger conventional forces
[19:06] picture, uh I think the US will probably
[19:09] continue to want to seek an opportunity
[19:11] to target Saddam and his inner circle
[19:13] through less risky means. And I think
[19:14] that uh last night's attack really
[19:16] probably set the pattern for that.
[19:18] >> Thanks, John, very much John. US Army
[19:19] captain served in the Gulf War with
[19:21] special forces. Now, one of our
[19:22] consultants, our principal military
[19:24] consultant is Tony Cordisman, who's also
[19:26] in Washington tonight. Tony, tell us how
[19:28] extensive special operations may be in
[19:32] in in in a time like this.
[19:35] We would assume, Peter, that we have
[19:37] special operations teams working in the
[19:40] field with the Shiites, that they are
[19:42] attempting to penetrate uh Iraqi
[19:45] communications even on the ground, that
[19:48] they're up dealing with the Kurds,
[19:50] preparing for operations there, that
[19:52] they're already in the West, that they
[19:54] helped seize the air bases there, H3,
[19:58] that you've had them scouting forward in
[20:00] the areas around Basra, and then at
[20:03] least in some areas along the route of
[20:05] advance we have as well as perhaps
[20:08] penetrating even into some of the Iraqi
[20:11] units where we believe that they'll
[20:13] defect or we know they'll defect.
[20:15] >> Am I correct in recalling that the
[20:17] defense secretary, Mr. Rumsfeld, is a
[20:19] big fan of special operations.
[20:22] >> He is indeed. It's part of force
[20:23] transformation and he's given a great
[20:26] deal more money and he's expanding it
[20:28] very rapidly.
[20:29] >> What's force transformation?
[20:32] It is as I think John and others have
[20:35] discussed earlier. It's the whole idea
[20:36] that we can have lighter faster forces.
[20:40] This idea we can synchronize land and
[20:42] air and sea operations. That we don't
[20:45] need the traditional heavy vehicles or
[20:48] largecale forces to secure the flanks of
[20:51] rapidly maneuvering forces. That
[20:54] precision makes up for numbers. that
[20:57] intelligence and reconnaissance gives us
[21:00] a new focus, a new accuracy and speed of
[21:03] reaction. All of these transform the
[21:06] speed and synchronization of forces.
[21:09] >> Thank you, Tony. come back to you often
[21:11] as you know Tony Cord is one of our
[21:13] military analysts and reminding you that
[21:14] Iraq is a very large place size of
[21:18] California different shape than the size
[21:20] of California but just imagine if you
[21:22] will landing a special operations team
[21:24] somewhere in California and how limited
[21:26] it may be by the population by the
[21:29] circumstances of geography and all of
[21:31] Iraq we remind you is not a desert
[21:33] though sometimes the map make it look
[21:35] maps make it look like that uh quite
[21:38] someday as we said so far and the huge
[21:40] push has not begun. We're going to go to
[21:42] Kuwait City now where ABC's John
[21:44] Kenyonas is on duty. Uh tonight, our
[21:47] time, it's little about 20 minutes after
[21:48] 4 in the morning. And this was a day,
[21:51] John, from the moment the president made
[21:54] his speech last night that many Kuwaitis
[21:56] and others didn't anticipate.
[21:59] >> That's right, Peter. Already, as you can
[22:02] tell, it's a very windy, very dusty
[22:04] morning here. Um, but already it's been
[22:08] an anxious and tense time of the day.
[22:11] We've had a series of three air raid
[22:13] sirens blasting here throughout the
[22:15] night, indicating that uh Iraqi missiles
[22:18] may well be flying over the border. All
[22:20] of this, of course, keeping the the
[22:22] people of this tiny nation awake and on
[22:25] edge. It's uh it's many ways it's hard
[22:29] to believe that this war began just a
[22:31] little over 24 hours ago.
[22:40] March 19th, 6:30 p.m. in Washington.
[22:44] Unbeknownst to the world, behind closed
[22:46] doors at the White House, the moment of
[22:48] truth has arrived. An hour and a half
[22:50] before the ultimatum to Saddam is due to
[22:52] expire. Sudden word from CIA Director
[22:55] George Tenant. Ripe intelligence of a
[22:58] gathering of Iraq's top leadership at a
[23:01] specific location. And now the president
[23:04] makes a decision to launch. 9:33 p.m. in
[23:07] Washington, 5:33 a.m. in Baghdad. Air
[23:11] raid sirens, tracers, and anti-aircraft
[23:14] fire in the misty morning light signal a
[23:17] surprise air attack.
[23:21] Within minutes, White House press
[23:23] secretary Ari Fleer confirms this is not
[23:26] just a case of jittery Iraqi nerves on
[23:29] the ground in Baghdad. The opening
[23:31] stages of the disarmament of the Iraqi
[23:33] regime have begun. The president will
[23:35] address the nation at 10:15.
[23:38] >> The attack is so unexpected that even
[23:41] troops of the army's third infantry
[23:43] division are taken by surprise as they
[23:45] greet the dawn in Kuwait along the Iraqi
[23:48] frontier.
[23:49] >> This did come as a surprise. It even
[23:51] came as a surprise to the men of the
[23:54] Third Infantry Division, most of whom
[23:56] have now deployed to pre-ordained
[23:59] positions up just short of the Iraqi
[24:02] border.
[24:02] >> First reports indicate a surgical strike
[24:05] on a target in South Baghdad. Is this
[24:08] the beginning of war or some kind of
[24:11] precursor, a singular event? For 30
[24:14] minutes, no one knows. 10:15 p.m. in
[24:18] Washington, 6:15 a.m. in Baghdad.
[24:22] >> At this hour, American and coalition
[24:25] forces are in the early stages of
[24:26] military operations to disarm Iraq, to
[24:30] free its people, and to defend the world
[24:32] from grave danger. On my orders,
[24:36] coalition forces have begun striking
[24:37] selected targets of military importance
[24:40] to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to
[24:42] wage war. A somber President Bush tells
[24:45] the nation and the world that war has
[24:48] begun and that Americans should not
[24:50] expect an early end to this conflict.
[24:53] >> A campaign on the harsh terrain of a
[24:55] nation as large as California could be
[24:57] longer and more difficult than some
[25:00] predict.
[25:01] >> Minutes later, Pentagon sources indicate
[25:04] that the initial attack was indeed an
[25:06] attempted strike on at least two Iraqi
[25:09] leadership targets. won a high-level
[25:11] meeting, perhaps including Saddam
[25:13] Hussein himself.
[25:16] 42 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched
[25:19] from six ships in the Persian Gulf and
[25:21] the Red Sea, coordinated with a handful
[25:24] of sorties of F-17 stealth Nighthawk
[25:28] fighters, which dropped four bunker
[25:30] buster bombs. There is no immediate word
[25:33] of results. An edgy calm returns to
[25:37] Baghdad. And it's clear this is not the
[25:39] beginning anyone expected. There is no
[25:42] attempt yet to shock and awe with
[25:44] overwhelming air power and massive
[25:47] numbers of bombs and missiles. 12:30
[25:50] a.m. in Washington, 8:30 a.m. in
[25:53] Baghdad. Saddam Hussein, apparently
[25:56] alive and well and in military dress,
[26:00] reads from a prepared statement laced
[26:02] with religious rhetoric. We will fight
[26:06] the invaders and God willing they will
[26:09] be defeated and will
[26:11] >> defiant still predicting victory for his
[26:13] regime. He exhorts his followers to
[26:16] battle.
[26:17] >> The evil ones will run in defeat. Draw
[26:21] your sword. The blessed sword. Long live
[26:24] jihad. Long live Palestine.
[26:28] >> But is this really Saddam? Or could it
[26:30] be an impostor? one of his alleged
[26:33] doubles. Analysts at the CIA pour over
[26:36] the tapes, but cannot be sure. 2:30 a.m.
[26:40] in Washington, 10:30 a.m. in Baghdad. 2
[26:43] hours later, Iraq's military response is
[26:47] felt in Kuwait.
[26:48] >> All morning long, we've been hearing
[26:50] explosions not too far from here.
[26:52] >> At least three Iraqi missiles are fired
[26:55] at Kuwait. The Pentagon says they're
[26:57] destroyed by Patriot missiles. No damage
[27:00] or casualties reported on the Iraqi
[27:03] frontier. Those same US troops who were
[27:06] surprised by the initial attack on
[27:08] Baghdad in the early morning. The third
[27:10] infantry division are now firing
[27:13] artillery on Iraqi troops using
[27:15] howitzers and rocket launchers. Is this
[27:18] the ground war now underway?
[27:21] Meanwhile, in Baghdad, Iraq's
[27:23] information minister, Muhammad Sahed
[27:25] al-Sai, claims two civilian targets were
[27:29] hit in the initial cruise missile
[27:31] attack. They have targeted
[27:34] two buildings in west of Iraq
[27:39] which is a building of
[27:42] custom authorities
[27:46] and the casualties is one martyr and a
[27:49] few injured. In Washington, Defense
[27:53] Secretary Donald Rumsfeld counters,
[27:56] describing the chief target as a senior
[27:58] Iraqi leadership compound.
[28:00] >> Forces hit a senior Iraqi leadership
[28:03] compound last evening.
[28:05] The damage assessment on the compound is
[28:08] pending.
[28:10] That was the first.
[28:12] It will likely not be the last. And he
[28:16] warns Saddam Hussein has seen nothing
[28:18] yet to compare with what is soon to
[28:21] come. 100 p.m. in Washington, 900 p.m.
[28:25] in Baghdad. Nightfall in Iraq. The air
[28:29] attack is underway again.
[28:32] >> It's all going on right now. There's I
[28:34] just saw a major bomb explode in a
[28:36] destroy a building across the river from
[28:38] where I am right now.
[28:42] >> Okay. Well, back here in Kuwait, the sun
[28:44] is about to rise. The uh streets are
[28:47] very quiet. Hardly any cars out there.
[28:50] And on this Friday, the Muslim holy day,
[28:52] people are counting their blessings.
[28:55] Thankful that the uh Iraqi counteratt
[28:58] attack has thus far been ineffective.
[29:01] There have been no damages and uh no
[29:04] casualties thus far. Peter,
[29:06] >> thank you, John, very much. John Kenyon
[29:08] giving us a time sense of how the day
[29:10] went. Certainly among other things from
[29:12] the Kuwaiti perspective, a couple of
[29:14] other things going on at the moment.
[29:15] We've talked to you a little bit about
[29:16] the anti-war demonstrations which have
[29:18] been going on today at home and
[29:20] overseas. There has recently, in fact
[29:22] currently, a demonstration going on in
[29:24] Chicago which has a large uh anti-war
[29:28] community as well and very active and a
[29:30] lot of them came out today. This is true
[29:32] in New York and now it's true in
[29:34] Chicago. This is Lakeshore Drive on the
[29:36] on the lakeside of of downtown Chicago.
[29:40] And though it doesn't look to be a huge
[29:42] crowd from the air here by any means,
[29:44] though we can't see out of the picture
[29:45] to the left, uh they've certainly tied
[29:49] up traffic in Chicago at this particular
[29:51] hour. People who are dissatisfied with
[29:54] this policy of the Bush administration.
[29:56] Similarly true in Washington tonight.
[29:58] This is a small example of the anti-war
[30:02] feeling that is out in Washington and
[30:05] Chicago and other places. And this is
[30:07] ABC News continuing live coverage of the
[30:10] war with Iraq.
[30:20] Thank you very much for joining us. I'm
[30:21] ABC's Peter Jennings at ABC News
[30:24] headquarter in New York. Uh it is 8:30
[30:26] here in the east, 5:30 in the West, and
[30:28] 4:30 in the morning. uh in uh the part
[30:31] of the Middle East we are most focused
[30:33] on. Some of the recent developments,
[30:35] explosions in Basra, this most
[30:38] important, largest city in southern
[30:41] Iraq, a city which US and British forces
[30:44] have been moving on for some time. It is
[30:47] the center of the very large anti-Saddam
[30:50] Hussein Shiite population, about a
[30:52] million and a half people. And we hear
[30:54] reports from reporters and witnesses in
[30:57] the general area that there are many
[30:59] explosions in the neighborhood, but we
[31:01] do not know precisely what that means.
[31:04] At the same time, one of the two Arab
[31:08] television networks which is up and
[31:10] running, Al Jazzer, which we're now
[31:11] familiar with, and another one called
[31:13] Alabia, which is a fairly new one out of
[31:15] Saudi Arabia, are reporting casualties
[31:17] in the bombing of attack. Al Jazer,
[31:19] which is not pro Saddam Hussein. um in
[31:23] today's attack says five families were
[31:24] injured among the five children. In
[31:26] another attack, two children and three
[31:27] women were injured while having dinner.
[31:29] Iraq, by the way, denies the fall of Um
[31:32] Kaser, this village at the top of this
[31:35] waterway called the Shhat Alarab. The
[31:38] Iraqis say it has not fallen. We've
[31:39] heard earlier reports today that it fell
[31:41] either to Americans or to British. And
[31:44] this of course is uh is advancing up
[31:48] towards Basra um using one of our
[31:52] technological wonders to see a pretty
[31:54] decent representation of the landscape
[31:56] itself with some that's the main highway
[31:58] that then goes on up past Batra and the
[32:00] top of the Shatal Arab on up into
[32:02] Baghdad itself. And while we're in that
[32:04] border area, Iraq denies firing any Scud
[32:07] missiles at Kuwait today. And on that
[32:10] the US and the Iraqis would concur,
[32:13] though there were six or seven missiles
[32:14] fired at the Kuwaitis today or fired in
[32:17] the direction of Kuwait. They were not
[32:19] said to be Scuds. Now, if we can go all
[32:22] the way up north uh at the moment there
[32:25] is now some violence reported in the
[32:27] city of Mosul in the north. This is
[32:29] another very important city at the
[32:30] absolute opposite end of the country uh
[32:33] just about 300 miles north of um of
[32:38] Iraq. This is an important oil city.
[32:40] This is a city that's been in the no-fly
[32:42] zone. This is where Saddam Hussein had
[32:44] his northernmost presidential compound,
[32:47] but as you can see, it's above the 36 uh
[32:50] degrees latitude and has been protected
[32:52] by the US and British aircraft for a
[32:54] long, long time. We're not quite sure
[32:56] what explosions up there mean, but it
[32:59] may mean that there is an early
[33:00] engagement uh between anti- Saddam
[33:04] Hussein forces in the north and elements
[33:06] of the Iraqi army, maybe the fifth core
[33:07] or the 16th Infantry Division um which
[33:10] are uh deployed to that part of the
[33:12] country. Last we know. ABC's Don Daylor
[33:16] is with us again from the 101st Airborne
[33:18] that takes us farther south to the Iraq
[33:21] Kuwaiti border. Yes, Don.
[33:26] Peter, just wanted to mention that uh
[33:28] even though the soldiers here at the
[33:29] 101st are not involved in the current
[33:32] activities out in the desert, they're
[33:34] having a rough night of it. We've been
[33:36] having air raids go off. I would say on
[33:39] every hour, hour and a half or so,
[33:41] breaking up their sleep. And keep in
[33:43] mind, as we have discussed earlier in
[33:44] the week, a lot of these soldiers are
[33:47] also mechanics and drivers. and they've
[33:49] given the task of trying to put together
[33:51] the vehicles with their weaponry to be
[33:54] able to go into war when they're called
[33:55] upon. The real problem with the air
[33:57] raids has been a a major disruption of
[34:00] the schedule to refit this equipment and
[34:03] there is some concern that they might be
[34:04] behind schedule because of that. Thanks
[34:07] Don very much. Don Taylor with 101st
[34:08] Airborne pointing out one of the
[34:10] problems that everybody knew before this
[34:11] campaign began that it was going to
[34:13] exist for US forces which is to say the
[34:16] men of the 101st got there but their
[34:18] equipment was way behind them and has
[34:20] not been there quite in time to be fully
[34:23] prepared and it's one of the reasons
[34:24] they at this point have not moved
[34:26] forward. Not that everybody can move
[34:28] forward at exactly the same time, but
[34:30] the 101st Airborne is an important
[34:32] component of the attack force and they,
[34:34] as Don Daylor points out, would very
[34:35] much like to get going. As for the early
[34:37] going along the frontier, um ABC's Mike
[34:41] Surere, who's a former Marine and with
[34:42] the Marine, says they had some ditches
[34:44] and some water barriers going across the
[34:46] frontier on the eastern side, uh going
[34:48] up towards Baser. He said that slowed
[34:50] them down for a while, but in other
[34:52] circumstances, they were going
[34:54] astonishingly fast, 20, 25, 30 m hour in
[34:57] the evening. All of them wearing night
[34:58] scope vision devices. Um, and if you
[35:02] have, and not many people have driven
[35:03] around with a night scope vision on
[35:05] driving a jeep down a strange road at
[35:07] night, um, no matter how adept you are,
[35:09] it's pretty good. And the early fires
[35:11] now appear to be confirmed up there that
[35:13] we're not precisely where they are in
[35:15] those particular um, oil fields just to
[35:19] the southwest of Basra. But who is the
[35:23] man the United States is so determined
[35:25] to get? Saddam Hussein. Let's just take
[35:27] a moment and re-re ourselves of the man
[35:30] who the Bush administration is
[35:32] absolutely unalterably determined to get
[35:35] rid of.
[35:38] >> Uh there's no question that the leader
[35:40] of Iraq is an evil man.
[35:43] >> As President George Bush and America's
[35:45] allies go after Saddam Hussein, the
[35:48] world wonders, what will Saddam's next
[35:50] move be? But for more than 20 years,
[35:52] Saddam has been an unpredictable leader.
[35:55] Saddam Hussein came from this dusty town
[35:57] north of Baghdad. By his early 20s, he
[36:00] was immersed in revolutionary politics.
[36:02] At 22, he plotted against Iraq's then
[36:04] ruler. The assassination attempt failed.
[36:06] And in a story that's now legend in
[36:08] Iraq, Saddam fled to Egypt.
[36:14] >> When he returned, it was to rule. By
[36:16] 1979, he was president, prime minister,
[36:19] and commander-in-chief.
[36:22] One year later, he declared war against
[36:24] fundamentalist Iran. Here lie the roots
[36:27] of the turbulent relationship between
[36:28] the US and Saddam's Iraq. Long before
[36:31] 9/11, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism
[36:33] struck fear in the hearts of Washington
[36:35] policy makers. So in 1980, after Iraq
[36:39] attacked Iran, the Reagan White House
[36:41] made a critical calculation. In public,
[36:43] the United States would be officially
[36:45] neutral on the Iran Iraq war, but
[36:47] secretly the US would tilt in favor of
[36:49] Iraq. In 1982, Iraq was removed from the
[36:53] State Department's terrorism list. Two
[36:55] years later, formal diplomatic relations
[36:57] were restored.
[36:59] We provided a great deal of intelligence
[37:01] to Iraq. Intelligence which was critical
[37:03] to helping them win certain battles
[37:05] against the Iranians. In addition, the
[37:08] US eased up on its own technology export
[37:11] restrictions to Iraq, which allowed the
[37:13] Iraqis to get certain technology which
[37:15] helped them build things like longer
[37:17] range missiles and chemical weapons. The
[37:19] Commerce Department allowed Iraq to
[37:21] import supercomputers, machine tools,
[37:23] even strains of anthrax. All of which
[37:25] helped Saddam build up his deadly
[37:27] arsenal. According to disarmament expert
[37:29] Gary Milholan,
[37:31] >> we sent Saddam Hussein uh u biological
[37:36] strains which could have been used to
[37:37] make biological weapons, but it was part
[37:40] of our overall policy of supplying him
[37:42] with a lot of very alarming things that
[37:45] weren't necessary to build up build up
[37:47] his conventional weapon capability, but
[37:49] which allowed him to build up his weapon
[37:52] of mass destruction capability. And when
[37:54] Iraq used chemical weapons against
[37:56] Iranian troops, killing thousands of
[37:58] them, the Americans were fully aware of
[38:00] it.
[38:01] >> Our military understood they were using
[38:03] them in the Iran Iraq war uh against
[38:06] Iran.
[38:08] >> It was a long war of attrition that cost
[38:11] Saddam's nation hundreds of thousands of
[38:13] lives and ended in a draw. Even after
[38:17] the Iran Iraq war, Hussein continued
[38:19] using chemical weapons, this time
[38:21] against his own people, the Kurds in the
[38:23] north, to quell political uprisings.
[38:25] Some estimates say more than 5,000
[38:27] people died within hours of the mustard
[38:30] gas attack.
[38:32] By the end of the war, Saddam had built
[38:33] the fourth largest army in the world.
[38:36] And in 1990, those forces invaded
[38:39] Kuwait.
[38:41] The first president, George Bush,
[38:43] assembled the greatest coalition of
[38:44] forces ever against a single enemy.
[38:48] >> Iraq cannot be allowed to benefit from
[38:51] its invasion of Kuwait.
[38:53] >> On the night of January 16th, 1991,
[38:56] coalition planes and American cruise
[38:58] missiles were launched at Iraq. For 48
[39:01] days and nights, coalition planes
[39:03] pounded Iraqi targets.
[39:06] On February 27th, the coalition forces
[39:08] launched a ground offensive, pushing
[39:10] north through defensive berms built by
[39:12] Iraqi troops. By the thousands,
[39:14] demoralized and ill-fed, Iraqi soldiers
[39:17] surrendered. After 100 hours of ground
[39:20] war, their leader withdrew from Kuwait.
[39:24] >> At the end of the war, he was
[39:25] momentarily weakened and encouraged by
[39:27] US sponsored radio broadcasts. Iraqis,
[39:30] believing the US would help, rose up
[39:32] against him. It was disastrous. The
[39:34] rebellion was brutally put down. The
[39:37] ceasefire agreements required Saddam to
[39:39] dismantle any chemical, biological, or
[39:42] nuclear weapons. UN inspections began
[39:45] after the Gulf War. Inspectors
[39:47] discovered and started to destroy a
[39:48] nuclear weapons program that was far
[39:50] more advanced than they had realized.
[39:52] But increasingly, those inspectors found
[39:54] themselves in a frustrating game of cat
[39:57] and mouse. And in 1998, Hussein called
[40:00] off all cooperation with UN weapons
[40:02] inspectors, eliminating all further
[40:04] monitoring of Iraq's nuclear and
[40:06] biological sites. The policy of
[40:08] containment clearly hadn't worked. There
[40:11] was evidence Iraq had been rebuilding
[40:12] its weapons programs. And after
[40:14] September 11th, US leaders were
[40:16] determined to preempt America's enemies.
[40:19] In short, everything had changed.
[40:21] Another Bush had become
[40:23] commander-in-chief. One who was very
[40:25] serious about ousting Saddam Hussein
[40:27] once and for all.
[40:30] from ally to enemy. An astonishing
[40:33] American relationship with Saddam
[40:35] Hussein uh over the last 20 years. uh
[40:40] just astonishes people who follow the
[40:42] region all these years. um of how the
[40:45] United States relationship with him has
[40:46] changed in so many ways and it will be a
[40:49] long and deeply integral part of the
[40:51] history that is written about this
[40:53] campaign which the president son of the
[40:56] president has uh son of a president has
[40:59] begun waging against him in the last 12
[41:02] hours or so including uh just to bring
[41:05] you up to date um asking other countries
[41:07] 68 of them specifically to expel the
[41:10] Iraqi diplomats who are there we're not
[41:12] certain they've all done of expelling
[41:14] three Iraqi diplomats from the Iraqi
[41:16] interest section u and I think the
[41:18] Algerian embassy in in in Washington not
[41:22] required to give any reason but there
[41:23] were nine other Iraqi diplomats at the
[41:25] United Nations a little harder to kick
[41:26] them out and there's been no US request
[41:28] but as several people have said this
[41:30] evening it is just operating on so many
[41:32] fronts this campaign against Iraq at the
[41:34] moment earlier today the president froze
[41:36] all Iraqi government assets that he had
[41:39] some access to and said that I think
[41:41] there were several billion dollars is
[41:42] involved and that that money would be
[41:45] used in the reconstruction of Iraq,
[41:47] which is going to cost a huge amount of
[41:49] money, much of which the administration
[41:51] hopes will be paid for out of Iraqi oil
[41:53] profits. Um, and here's something also
[41:55] with so many different new things about
[41:57] this campaign. Here's something new. Two
[42:00] Arab television organizations now
[42:02] covering a war in their own backyard and
[42:04] looking over everybody's shoulder. Let's
[42:06] go to Mosul in northern Iraq. uh
[42:09] northern Iraqi city just under the
[42:11] Kurdish control area where tonight uh
[42:13] the reporters and the cameras of the Al
[42:17] Jazzer satellite television network uh
[42:20] has been photographing Mosul and their
[42:22] reporter has been talking uh on camera
[42:25] to his headquarters at Qatar in the
[42:28] Persian Gulf which is exactly where the
[42:30] US is running this campaign from and
[42:34] where Alazer is very much protected by
[42:36] the ruler. that's been kicked out of
[42:38] Saudi Arabia, kicked out of Jordan, uh
[42:41] kicked out of Syria, um and I think even
[42:44] kicked out of Iran, but I'm not
[42:45] altogether sure which give you some
[42:47] measure of of their independence, but
[42:48] it's the Algazer reporter who is tonight
[42:50] saying that there have been explosions
[42:52] in Mosul, which is a large city in the
[42:55] north. We do not know precisely what
[42:57] that means, but we'll ask Tony
[42:59] Cordisman, our military analyst, in a
[43:01] short while to tell us the significance
[43:03] of that up there. In the meantime, let's
[43:06] return to this business of having US
[43:08] helicopters down behind enemy lines as
[43:11] was the case today. Two helicopters
[43:13] down, one just over the Iraqi Kuwait
[43:15] border. An Apache and attack helicopter
[43:17] got it up and running again. No
[43:18] casualties in the western desert. Um
[43:21] another helicopter, a sort of utility
[43:24] helicopter moving special forces around
[43:26] crashed. We do not know precisely why.
[43:29] and the special forces uh were retrieved
[43:32] by other Americans. How does that
[43:35] happen? Here again is ABC's Chris
[43:37] Wallace.
[43:39] It happened a few hours before the
[43:41] opening missile strike of the war. An
[43:43] Air Force special operations helicopter
[43:45] like this made what is called a hard
[43:48] landing in enemy territory. The MH53,
[43:51] known as a Pavel, was so badly damaged,
[43:54] US forces destroyed it so the helicopter
[43:57] would not fall into Iraqi hands. But
[44:00] that left soldiers on the ground behind
[44:02] enemy lines.
[44:04] So, as part of a carefully choreographed
[44:06] rescue plan, another chopper swooped in
[44:08] to pick up the down soldiers. No
[44:10] casualties, no men captured.
[44:13] >> Rescue, rescue, rescue. This is Viper
[44:15] 03.
[44:16] >> Here's where they learned to do it. a
[44:18] training center near Spokane,
[44:20] Washington.
[44:21] >> We have visual.
[44:22] >> Imagine these white mounds of snow in
[44:24] the mountains are sand dunes in the
[44:26] desert of southern Iraq. You're a pilot
[44:28] lost in enemy territory. You may have
[44:31] just minutes or seconds to call for help
[44:33] and avoid capture.
[44:35] >> You know, you just come out of the sky.
[44:36] You know, one minute you're completely
[44:38] in control of your aircraft and the next
[44:40] minute you're down on the ground.
[44:41] Everybody got their maps laid out?
[44:42] Everybody got
[44:43] >> Senior Airman Kelly Ivy is a survival
[44:45] instructor. He says before anyone,
[44:47] pilots or crew members, are sent on
[44:49] missions in hostile territory like Iraq,
[44:52] they spend 17 days at a place like this,
[44:55] the Air Force's survival school.
[44:58] >> Learning to control a parachute.
[45:01] >> Learning to fall out of the sky at a
[45:03] high speed
[45:04] >> land.
[45:04] >> Learning to hit the ground.
[45:06] >> Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
[45:08] >> Learning to figure out where you are.
[45:11] learning to survive during three
[45:13] grueling days in the wilderness, hiding
[45:15] and evading.
[45:16] >> You're shot down and the Iraqis are
[45:18] there and they've captured you and
[45:19] you're like, "Okay, what's going to
[45:20] happen next? What's going to happen
[45:22] next?"
[45:22] >> At the controls of an Air Force super
[45:24] tanker feeding fuel to hungry F-16
[45:27] fighters, Lieutenant Colonel Dale
[45:29] Stewart remembers vividly when the skies
[45:31] were not so clear and calm.
[45:33] >> It felt like a 50,000lb sledgehammer
[45:36] just came up and hit the bottom of the
[45:37] airplane. Just 12 years ago, Stuart was
[45:39] in the cockpit of an A-10 Thunderbolt,
[45:41] Warthogs, the pilots called them. And
[45:44] his mission was to fly low and slow
[45:46] enough to kill Iraqi tanks with a 30 mm
[45:49] cannon mounted in the nose. Then
[45:51] suddenly
[45:52] >> there's this huge explosion beneath me
[45:54] and I look down and it's my airplane
[45:56] blowing up. Um I thought, "Oh my god,
[45:59] now I'm going to die in the fireball
[46:00] from my own airplane." His plane was hit
[46:03] and store was in the middle of the
[46:04] desert, disoriented and quickly
[46:06] surrounded by Iraqi troops.
[46:08] >> And this guy comes about 10, 15 feet
[46:11] away from me, just starts screaming and
[46:12] yelling, pointing his rifle right at me,
[46:14] his AK-47. And so I just finally threw
[46:16] my radio on the ground and and put my
[46:18] hands up.
[46:19] >> He spent 33 days as a prisoner of war.
[46:22] >> They dislocated my shoulder, broke my
[46:24] nose, um burst my left eard drum. Store
[46:27] credits his training for helping him
[46:29] resist his Iraqi capttors and survive.
[46:32] >> They really want you to learn this stuff
[46:33] because they know it's going to save
[46:34] your life if you ever have to use it.
[46:36] And I credit them for saving my life
[46:38] over there. We'll never we'll never stop
[46:40] looking.
[46:41] >> Colonel Jack Hester is commander of the
[46:44] 336th training group at Fairchild Air
[46:47] Force Base. Whether you're a P or an
[46:49] MIA, if you're shot down behind enemy
[46:52] lines, uh our country is going to take
[46:55] every effort uh risk more people's lives
[46:58] to come after you because that's how
[47:00] precious you are to us.
[47:01] >> So precious that the Air Combat Command
[47:04] has stationed some 800 air crew members
[47:06] in the Gulf region with just one job to
[47:09] search for and rescue pilots and their
[47:11] crews down behind enemy lines.
[47:14] >> Stand by. We are coming in hot. coffee.
[47:17] >> While pilots are trying to survive,
[47:19] search and rescue teams learn how to
[47:21] find them and whisk them to safety.
[47:24] >> The purpose of the smoke is so they can
[47:26] quickly identify my position, get to me,
[47:28] and get out of there.
[47:30] >> The helicopter pilots drop a rescue team
[47:33] and fly away until they're sure the area
[47:35] is safe. They return minutes later to
[47:38] pick up the down pilot and their own
[47:40] rescue team. They're going to call the
[47:42] bird back. Um, wait for it to land and
[47:45] get me on it as quick as possible.
[47:46] >> But if you end up like Lieutenant
[47:48] Colonel Dale Store and the enemy gets
[47:50] there first,
[47:51] >> you really don't have time to be scared.
[47:53] It's your training just takes over. And
[47:54] I was able to do that because of the
[47:56] techniques and the resistance uh
[47:58] programs that I was taught at survival
[48:00] school.
[48:03] This is a live picture of Baghdad at
[48:04] 4:48 in the morning. And the reason we
[48:06] put this up is to bring you up to date
[48:08] on just the general news and the latest
[48:10] from the battlefield, but perhaps to ask
[48:11] a couple of questions. Uh the great
[48:14] shock and awe phase of this campaign uh
[48:17] which we all were led to believe would
[48:20] preede the ground operation which we
[48:22] know to be underway uh certainly in the
[48:24] southern part of the country has not
[48:26] occurred. And so it raises some
[48:28] questions for us now as to whether or
[48:30] not there's something going on that we
[48:32] are not aware of. I think there's a lot
[48:33] going on that we're not aware of. But uh
[48:36] we wonder and we're going to ask our
[48:37] reporters in the field to weigh in as
[48:39] quickly as they can on whether there's
[48:40] some possibility that there's some
[48:42] communications with Baghdad at the
[48:43] moment. If you do this, we won't do
[48:45] that. You recall that Secretary of
[48:47] Defense Rumsfeld said in his news
[48:49] conference at the very beginning of the
[48:50] day, there was no need. He said, I can
[48:53] remember the exact phrase, there was no
[48:55] need for a broader conflict if the
[48:57] Iraqis asked to save themselves. And so
[49:00] a very powerful message went out earlier
[49:02] today uh from the US high command in the
[49:06] highest sense uh to the Iraqis that
[49:08] there was a way for them to avoid the
[49:12] humongous attack which many Iraqis knew
[49:15] was coming down if in the first instance
[49:17] Saddam Hussein and his two sons didn't
[49:19] leave the country which they didn't.
[49:20] We've had one attack on the leadership.
[49:22] The word will have spread throughout the
[49:23] leadership in Baghdad tonight that this
[49:25] has actually happened even though we do
[49:27] not know the particular consequences of
[49:28] that. There have been these very sus uh
[49:32] specific if not automatically precise
[49:34] attacks on government ministries in
[49:36] Baghdad today in in including very
[49:39] importantly the Ministry of the
[49:40] Interior. And yet there has not been
[49:43] this huge air assault which was so
[49:46] designed in so many fine parts to shock
[49:49] the country into an awareness that
[49:52] something was just big and beyond their
[49:55] control. Meanwhile, at the moment, uh,
[49:58] we've heard explosions in Bastra in the
[50:01] south. We know the British and the US
[50:03] are moving against Basra in the south,
[50:05] which is an important city in the south
[50:07] and a Shiite city. ABC's Bob Woodruff
[50:10] reports that he sees at least one fire,
[50:12] which he believes to be either in an oil
[50:14] field or one of the oil installations in
[50:16] the south. Iraq actually denies that the
[50:18] town of Um Kaser in the south, which is
[50:21] in that same area, has folded, but the
[50:24] British pool report says tonight that
[50:26] the British have entered Iraq as well.
[50:28] The US, as I mentioned a moment ago, has
[50:30] expelled several Iraqi diplomats. Um,
[50:33] there are some signs, ABC's John McQuey
[50:35] reported this earlier, that the members
[50:38] of some elements of the Republican Guard
[50:41] have been reaching out to the US
[50:43] military indicating they are not
[50:45] particularly interested in fighting.
[50:47] There is a full what they call lid at
[50:49] the White House. Everybody at the White
[50:50] House has been told there'll be no more
[50:52] news made at the White House tonight.
[50:54] Um, and that is about the news on the
[50:57] warfront at the moment except for these
[50:59] two things. There is movement on the
[51:01] front. Not everybody, but there's now
[51:03] movement on the front on the ground. But
[51:04] where is the air campaign? I'm not sure
[51:07] he can answer the question, but I'm
[51:09] going to start with Major General
[51:10] William Nash, one of our consultants,
[51:12] and see if you want to dare I use the
[51:14] word speculate about why we aren't
[51:17] seeing this air attack at the moment.
[51:20] Well, I think Peter, if you were to talk
[51:22] to General Franks right now and ask him
[51:25] how he's doing, he would look at you and
[51:27] say, "On time, on plan," and then he'd
[51:30] probably dip his head and look over at
[51:32] you and say, "Maybe a little bit ahead."
[51:35] Uh I think what we've seen in the last
[51:38] 24 hours is a very skillfully crafted
[51:41] melding of both firepower and
[51:43] psychological operations
[51:46] uh to convince the Iraqi people that
[51:49] this is in fact a war on uh the regime,
[51:53] not on the Iraqi people.
[51:54] >> But can I just interrupt you for a
[51:55] second? I apologize, Bill, but the Iraqi
[51:57] people don't have a heck of a lot of say
[51:59] in anything at the moment. the the
[52:01] commanders of the units do and the and
[52:04] the bath party political apparatus and
[52:06] the police apparatus have some say, but
[52:08] not the average Iraqi, right?
[52:10] >> Well, but the average Iraqi is driving
[52:12] around Baghdad because he's not a
[52:14] target. And that's very important to
[52:16] understand that uh that these strikes
[52:19] have gone in and very narrowly focused
[52:21] and military units are being engaged and
[52:23] the civil population are not under
[52:25] threat and there have been uh
[52:28] significant efforts made to talk to the
[52:30] people. Uh Secretary Rumsfeld spent
[52:33] quite a bit of time in his press
[52:34] conference today addressing the issue of
[52:37] do stay in your homes. Uh don't come
[52:40] out. We are not after you. And that
[52:42] message is going forth in a variety of
[52:44] ways.
[52:45] >> But but what do you I guess what I'm
[52:46] asking you at the moment is whether you
[52:47] can surmise or you've been talking to
[52:49] your contacts that there were any
[52:50] ramifications of this. Yes, he told them
[52:52] don't go to school, stay at home,
[52:53] boycott work, don't go out on the
[52:55] streets and I quite agree. But on the
[52:56] other hand, 10 to 5 in the morning in
[52:58] Baghdad. Do you have any sign that the
[53:00] US is making contact with forces with
[53:03] forces that may turn on the leadership?
[53:06] Oh, I think that's going on at the same
[53:08] time. And that was another part of the
[53:09] Secretary of Defense's message and has
[53:11] been part of the efforts through
[53:13] leaflets and through emails and through
[53:16] uh cell phone calls and the like that
[53:18] have been going on for some time. And
[53:20] that is starting to turn uh to some
[53:23] degree. We're seeing the beginnings of
[53:24] it. And the campaign to date uh has not
[53:29] used the shock and all because I think
[53:31] they're shaping the battlefield. Okay.
[53:33] uh trying to get units by their
[53:35] preliminary actions to either make a
[53:37] decision to uh surrender or nightfight
[53:40] and or if they're not then they will be
[53:42] uh subjected to the shock and off part.
[53:45] >> Okay. Well, I'm more than happy to be
[53:46] subjected to your criticism. You think
[53:47] that perhaps that we're rushing this
[53:49] idea of shock and awe?
[53:51] >> I think we are rushing a little bit. Uh
[53:54] I think they're they're setting the
[53:55] conditions. Uh and I do have talked a
[53:58] little bit to some uh folks in the
[54:00] Pentagon about that. They're going
[54:02] through the preliminary actions
[54:03] necessary to shape or prepare the
[54:06] battlefield to use the term that's been
[54:08] popular here in the last uh day
[54:10] >> uh in order to if at all possible not
[54:14] have to use that shock and awe. Uh I
[54:17] think it was very fortuitous last night.
[54:19] I alo also think it was bold and
[54:21] courageous uh on that attack on the uh
[54:24] leadership compound. uh whether or not
[54:27] it killed Saddam, it was very well done
[54:30] and it certainly put the fear into the
[54:33] Iraqi leadership.
[54:34] >> Okay, Bill, thanks very much. Lieutenant
[54:36] General Bill Nash with us as a military
[54:38] consultant. Now, let's go to Washington,
[54:39] talk to ABC's Martha Ratitz, who's also
[54:41] been talking to a lot of people in the
[54:43] last little while. Martha, the Secretary
[54:44] of State said earlier today that he has
[54:46] some evidence that this sort of getting
[54:48] at the Iraqi leadership is working. Can
[54:50] you put any meat on those bones?
[54:53] Well, I think for several weeks that
[54:55] intelligence officials have seen some
[54:57] signs of this. As General Nash says,
[55:00] they have reached out to these men in
[55:02] many ways through cell phones, through
[55:04] emails, saying, "Look, this is a bad
[55:06] idea. Why don't you come with us?" Now,
[55:08] last night's bombing, last night's
[55:10] missile attack may have sent more over
[55:13] the line. They may be saying, "Wait a
[55:15] minute. They're serious. Maybe they took
[55:18] out the leadership." And that is still
[55:19] very very much in play here, Peter. They
[55:22] are they have still not determined
[55:24] whether or not Saddam Hussein was
[55:26] killed. Now, you may bring up that tape.
[55:28] Well, if they say that was a real tape
[55:30] of Saddam Hussein, if that's really him,
[55:32] then he must be alive because that tape
[55:34] was dated, but that does not necessarily
[55:37] mean that Saddam Hussein could have made
[55:39] those tapes days and days ago and he
[55:41] could have made one for every night of
[55:43] the week with the date at the top of
[55:44] that. So, they have not determined that.
[55:46] They do believe that Saddam Hussein was
[55:49] in that residential compound in a bunker
[55:52] with his sons and with other leadership
[55:54] members. And in the past couple of
[55:56] hours, the communications between the
[55:58] leadership have fallen off. Now, that
[56:01] could mean they're dead, they are
[56:03] injured, or they're smart enough not to
[56:05] talk anymore in case the United States
[56:07] picks up those communications. Now, when
[56:09] you talk to your contacts in in in the
[56:11] military and and in the political
[56:13] apparatus in in the last several hours,
[56:15] do you pick up anything which suggests
[56:17] one of two things? A, that the ground
[56:19] campaign is going well enough and that
[56:23] maybe they're using the air as a threat
[56:26] to somebody to try to make a deal. Uh,
[56:29] or do you pick up any signs from the
[56:31] other side that they're even talking to
[56:33] the United States at the moment?
[56:35] I I don't really pick up any signs that
[56:37] they're talking to them at the moment.
[56:38] But I think this ground assault that you
[56:40] see is exactly what General Nash
[56:42] describes too. It's softening up. It's
[56:44] it's going after these certain
[56:45] particular areas. I still very much
[56:47] believe from people I've talked to that
[56:50] we will all be shocked and awed at some
[56:52] point. People I talked to today said,
[56:55] "Look, what you're seeing now is just
[56:57] setting things up. When the massive
[56:59] assault starts, you will know it. There
[57:02] will be no doubt."
[57:03] >> Well, here's a question. I think we we
[57:04] perhaps could put on the table. Is it a
[57:06] possibility as several senior
[57:08] administration officials have said today
[57:09] that they're seeing uh sign an important
[57:13] part of Saddam Hussein's infrastructure
[57:15] is already crumbling and it may not be
[57:18] necessary. I realize this is rank
[57:20] speculation. It may not be necessary to
[57:22] bring the air assets to bear in the
[57:25] degree that we had all earlier
[57:27] anticipated.
[57:29] Well, I think if certainly if they got
[57:31] the top leadership and if they are
[57:33] seeing solid signs that the regime is
[57:36] falling apart, yes, indeed, they would
[57:38] probably scale back. There was a
[57:40] fascinating briefing at the Pentagon
[57:41] yesterday. Now, this may not sound
[57:43] fascinating. It was called effectsbased
[57:45] bombing. But what that is is strike a
[57:48] target, strike it with the right weapon,
[57:50] and to m to get the effect they want.
[57:53] They may have gotten quite an effect
[57:55] last night, not only by striking that
[57:58] target in terms of damage to that
[58:00] compound and possible damage to that
[58:02] bunker, but psychological damage. And if
[58:05] others, if Republican Guard members, if
[58:08] regular military people know about that,
[58:10] they might that might have had a
[58:11] profound effect. You heard earlier from
[58:13] Chris Wallace talking about it being
[58:15] almost impossible to find Saddam
[58:17] Hussein. I'm sure that the Republican
[58:20] Guard thought that. I'm sure the regular
[58:21] army thought that. I'm sure Saddam
[58:23] Hussein thought that and if they had him
[58:26] targeted last night that would have a
[58:28] profound effect.
[58:30] >> So Martha um will you do me a favor?
[58:32] Will you go back do us all a favor? Go
[58:34] back and talk to your contacts and ask
[58:35] whether or not it is possible that there
[58:37] is a sort of a hold here at the moment
[58:39] that we didn't anticipate. I quite agree
[58:41] none of us or not very many people
[58:43] anticipated that this operation was
[58:45] going to begin in any way, shape or form
[58:46] until probably tomorrow or even on
[58:48] Saturday.
[58:50] >> I I certainly will check Peter. I don't
[58:51] know how much we're going to get on
[58:52] that. They're one of those details or
[58:54] operational details they do not like to
[58:56] talk about, but if things are going
[58:58] swimmingly well, I'm sure we'll hear
[59:00] about it. I'll make some calls.
[59:01] >> Thanks Martha very much. Martha Ratits
[59:02] in Washington who covers both the
[59:04] political and the military establishment
[59:06] for us on a daily basis. And I think I
[59:10] am just about at the moment. I have one
[59:13] moment so I can tell you a couple of
[59:14] other things which are developed. It is
[59:15] the sheer complexity of these forces uh
[59:18] which has everybody sitting on the edge
[59:20] of their seats in part because they know
[59:21] that at some point in the planning there
[59:23] were so many moving assets that were
[59:25] going to be going all at one time and
[59:27] just taking again another look. Um you
[59:29] could sit and look at it by the hour
[59:31] obviously waiting for something to
[59:32] happen at Baghdad where it is now just a
[59:34] little before 5:00 in the morning. The
[59:36] sun is up in a moment. We'll get our
[59:38] reporter there up who stayed on, Richard
[59:40] Angel, who stayed on in the city and
[59:42] managed even to get out on the streets.
[59:43] Over there in the right side of your
[59:45] picture, we know that a government
[59:46] building was hit several hours ago. Um,
[59:48] there's no uh residue of fire there at
[59:51] the moment, but there was a huge
[59:53] explosion over in the lower right hand
[59:55] side of your picture, which we believe
[59:57] may well have been an element of the
[59:59] Ministry of the Interior. We shall see.
[60:01] This is ABC News continuing live
[60:03] coverage of the war with Iraq.
[60:14] Let's go quickly to the Pentagon where
[60:15] the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
[60:17] has showed up and is already giving us a
[60:19] briefing.
[60:22] >> Can you tell us what efforts the United
[60:23] States is making on capital? the Iraqi
[60:27] military.
[60:28] >> There
[60:30] are there are communications in every
[60:32] conceivable mode and method
[60:35] um public and private to the Iraqi
[60:38] forces that they can act with honor
[60:43] and turn over their weapons and walk
[60:45] away from them and they will not be
[60:47] hurt. And uh anyone, conversely, anyone
[60:51] that engages in the use of weapons of
[60:53] mass destruction or supports that regime
[60:57] um will wish they had not.
[60:59] >> Good evening.
[61:01] >> Thank you, sir. Well, there is not much
[61:04] at the moment from the Secretary of
[61:05] Defense except to repeat what he had
[61:07] said um on several earlier occasions and
[61:10] that is the US is sending as clear a
[61:14] message as it can to Iraqi forces that
[61:16] they can act with honor uh or they can
[61:19] just to pick up what he said at his
[61:21] earlier news conference die fighting
[61:23] alongside a doomed regime or they can
[61:26] live again quoting him from his earlier
[61:28] briefing today in a new and free Iraq.
[61:31] And on the subject of weapons of mass
[61:33] destruction, I'm sure he told the
[61:35] Congress what they already saw on
[61:36] television earlier today. The Iraqi
[61:38] army, the Republican Guard, all the
[61:40] elements which are there to defend the
[61:43] regime have been told, don't follow
[61:45] orders. Uh don't light the oil fields on
[61:48] fire. And we believe there's a fire
[61:50] going in one of the southern fields. We
[61:51] do not know precisely how it began. Uh
[61:53] do not blow the dams and try to flood
[61:56] towns and villages in the path of the
[61:59] American invasion force. And do not
[62:01] under any circumstances