Face the Nation (CBS) - 2008-12-21
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[0:00] Today on Face the Nation, Caroline
[0:03] Kennedy. Should she be New York's next
[0:06] senator? Is she the most qualified
[0:08] candidate? Can she campaign statewide?
[0:11] And why does she want the job after
[0:13] years of asking for privacy? It is the
[0:16] talk of the political world. We'll talk
[0:19] with Joel Klene, one of her best friends
[0:21] and New York City school chancellor.
[0:24] Republican Congressman Tom Reynolds and
[0:26] Peter King. Democratic Congressman Gary
[0:29] Akerman and former vice presidential
[0:31] candidate Gerald Dean Ferrari. Then
[0:34] we'll get analysis from Dominic Carter,
[0:37] political anchor for New York One. I'll
[0:40] have a final word on FaceTime. But
[0:43] first, the New York Senate seat and
[0:45] Caroline Kim on Face the Nation.
[0:51] [music]
[0:56] Face the nation with CBS News chief
[0:59] Washington correspondent Bob Schiffer.
[1:01] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob
[1:05] Sheaffer.
[1:07] >> Good morning again. Well, we have a full
[1:09] house this morning, but not as full as
[1:11] we had hoped. Carrie Kennedy, who is
[1:14] Caroline Kennedy's cousin, was supposed
[1:17] to start off our broadcast this morning,
[1:19] but our television remote truck uh ran
[1:22] off the road and into a snowbank in a
[1:24] ditch outside her home in Mount Kiscoco
[1:26] this morning. A bad storm up there. So,
[1:29] Carrie Kennedy will be watching this
[1:31] morning, but she will not be on the
[1:32] broadcast with us. So we will start this
[1:34] morning with Joel Klene who is the uh
[1:37] chancellor of the New York school system
[1:40] who has gotten a lot of acclaim around
[1:42] the country for what he's done with New
[1:44] York schools. He's a very close friend
[1:45] of Caroline Kennedy. Uh so I would just
[1:48] ask you to start here uh Mr. Klein, give
[1:51] us the best case for why this person
[1:53] who's never taken part in politics,
[1:55] who's never wanted a public life, and in
[1:57] fact who has gone to great lengths to
[2:00] ask the press and others to respect her
[2:03] privacy. Why all of a sudden should she
[2:06] be uh the person most qualified to
[2:08] become New York's next senator? Well, I
[2:11] think she did right by her family and
[2:13] certainly raised her kids and is now at
[2:16] a point in her life where she can serve
[2:18] this state and be a part of the Senate
[2:21] at a time when, frankly, we're going to
[2:22] need her intelligence, her integrity,
[2:24] and her ability to bring people together
[2:27] to do what's right for the state of New
[2:28] York and for the country. I've known
[2:30] Caroline uh for a long time. She's a
[2:33] very bright, very committed woman, and I
[2:36] think this is the right time. the work
[2:37] she did for President-elect Obama, I
[2:40] think, put her on the national stage,
[2:42] uh, led her to get involved in issues
[2:45] that she cares deeply about, and I think
[2:47] that's critical, uh, as we go forward. I
[2:50] also think she'll have the relationships
[2:52] on Capitol Hill to be able to get the
[2:54] work done. Uh, I think in her own quiet,
[2:56] but very effective way, she's going to
[2:59] be able to bring new ideas uh, at a time
[3:01] when this country needs them. And if you
[3:03] think about the message, Bob, of the
[3:05] last election, the message was we want a
[3:08] different kind of politics in Washington
[3:10] DC. The old partisan ways are not
[3:12] serving the people. And I think the
[3:14] people are looking for leadership and
[3:17] the kind of values that I think Caroline
[3:19] will reflect.
[3:20] >> We have to point out here, she's not
[3:22] running for this. The New York governor,
[3:24] Governor Patterson, is going to make
[3:25] this appointment. But whoever, including
[3:28] Caroline Kennedy, if she decides to run,
[3:30] would have to run in 2010 to finish out
[3:33] Hillary Clinton's term and then would
[3:35] have to run again uh in 2012. Well, Gary
[3:39] Aki, a lot of the Democrats uh in New
[3:42] York, elected officials have said that
[3:44] they think this is a good idea. Uh so
[3:46] far, you have not been one of those.
[3:48] >> Well, I don't know if it's a good idea
[3:50] because I'm not sure I know who she is.
[3:51] is I mean everyone knows who she is but
[3:53] we're not sure what she is. Uh you know
[3:56] uh they're Kennedys. Uh they're all
[3:58] they're all boats but is she a sailboat
[4:00] when we need a battleship? That remains
[4:02] to be seen. And the very fact that she's
[4:05] sequested herself for her whole life.
[4:06] Nobody knows what what her values are.
[4:09] We can assume we don't know the second
[4:11] thing which is probably more is as
[4:12] important in New York and in national
[4:14] politics. What kind of fighter she will
[4:17] be. Does she have the guts and the
[4:19] gumption to do it? Right now she's
[4:21] auditioning for the job. One man is
[4:22] going to pick it as as you point out,
[4:24] Bob. Uh but eventually she has to get
[4:26] into the ring, face the public. And the
[4:28] very fact that that right now that she
[4:30] has handlers around her, um we've not
[4:32] been able to see who she's been all
[4:34] these years. She's never written a
[4:35] letter to the editor expressing a view
[4:37] or fighting for it. As far as I know, uh
[4:40] they've basically Sarah Palinized her,
[4:42] if I can coin a phrase. They've they've
[4:44] they're answering questions that you
[4:46] have to submit in writing. She's not
[4:47] talking to reporters as she makes this
[4:49] grand tour. They're kind of building a
[4:51] mystique and an industry around her when
[4:53] we need somebody to fight. She has a
[4:55] very famous name and and she's a very
[4:58] attractive candidate. Those are good
[4:59] things in politics, but it's not an
[5:01] entitlement. You know, one of the things
[5:02] that uh that uh that we have to observe
[5:06] is that DNA in this business can take
[5:08] you just so far. You know, Rembrandt was
[5:11] a was a was a great artist. His brother
[5:14] Murray on the other hand, Murray
[5:15] Rembrandt, wouldn't paint a house.
[5:18] [laughter]
[5:18] I I must say I didn't know about Murray,
[5:21] but I'm
[5:22] [laughter]
[5:24] all right. Well, let's go. Let's go to
[5:27] Gerald A. Ferrarero first. Do you know
[5:29] Murray Rimbrandt?
[5:31] >> I really don't. No, I haven't met him,
[5:33] but you know, there is always time.
[5:35] >> Congressman Arian, I'm going to take his
[5:37] word on this historical fact here.
[5:40] Congressman or Miss Ferrero, uh, let me
[5:42] just ask you this question. When we
[5:44] booked you basically, uh, to be on the
[5:46] broadcast last week, it was my
[5:48] understanding that you were neutral on
[5:50] all of this, but I have since learned,
[5:52] according to the New York Post, and I
[5:54] want to give you a chance to comment on
[5:56] this, that you are actually against uh,
[5:58] Caroline getting this, and you have
[6:00] asked the governor in a letter to
[6:02] appoint one of the uh, six uh, female
[6:05] members of Congress that come from New
[6:06] York. Did something change here? What's
[6:09] going on? Know the thing that happens,
[6:10] Bob, is when I give an interview to a
[6:12] fifth or sixth grader, I always make
[6:14] sure that they have a a tape recorder on
[6:16] so they get the message right.
[6:18] Unfortunately, I didn't do this with
[6:19] this young reporter. He had wanted to
[6:21] write a story that I was opposed to
[6:22] Carolyn Kennedy and I said to him, "No,
[6:24] you can't say that." What he did was he
[6:27] quoted the fact that I had said, which I
[6:29] had done, that I had sent a a letter to
[6:32] staff person and asked him to get the it
[6:34] to the governor. Um, but not it wasn't
[6:37] last week. I sent it in November and I
[6:40] saw the governor at an event November
[6:43] 15th here in New York at which he got up
[6:47] and he was really he was an honore for
[6:48] the Franklin Delanor Roosevelt Institute
[6:50] and what had happened was he had gotten
[6:52] up and had described a after some funny
[6:55] remarks at the very beginning but he had
[6:57] gotten into details on what the concerns
[7:00] are of this state right now and budget
[7:03] for shortfalls and he was talking about
[7:06] a good 20 to
[7:08] minute speech on exactly what problems
[7:10] the state is facing. Now, I don't know
[7:13] if anybody else has noticed, but we're
[7:14] in a financial crisis, worldwide
[7:16] financial crisis. To me, this this
[7:19] appointment, and it's not a race, it is
[7:21] an appointment by the governor is not
[7:24] it's not about an individual. It is
[7:28] about the state and the needs of the
[7:30] state. And at that time, right after his
[7:33] comments, I wrote a letter saying that
[7:36] in my view that we could not, and by the
[7:38] way, this was right after Delaware had
[7:40] appointed someone to fill the term for
[7:42] two years before a a special election to
[7:46] fill Joe Biden's seat. I had said it
[7:49] seems to me that we need somebody down
[7:51] there for the good of the state who
[7:54] knows the process who doesn't have to
[7:56] get down there and learn the process who
[7:59] can get down there and hit the ground
[8:01] running just like President-elect Obama
[8:03] will do when he gets inaugurated. He
[8:06] will hit the ground running. We need
[8:08] somebody to fight for this state. It is
[8:10] not about an individual. It
[8:12] [clears throat] is about the state and
[8:14] about the needs of the state. And I
[8:16] personally think that this whole
[8:17] campaign that has been going on in the
[8:20] last week or so is is almost it's very
[8:23] very difficult.
[8:24] >> Okay. So while you're not you're not
[8:27] against her, you're not necessarily for
[8:29] her. You just want
[8:30] >> What I did was I said in order to get
[8:32] somebody who hit the ground running, I I
[8:33] specifically said I think you should
[8:35] look to members of Congress because
[8:36] their biggest concern, they've been
[8:38] dealing with these issues for the last
[8:39] several months. What they have to do,
[8:41] their biggest concern is moving from one
[8:43] side of the capital to the other side of
[8:44] the capital. They know what's going on.
[8:46] They know the process. They can move.
[8:48] And then I did put in a little bit of a
[8:50] a a a support for the six women members.
[8:53] I said, "I don't know if any one of them
[8:54] wants it, but I think you should reach
[8:56] out to them and ask them." That was it.
[8:59] >> Okay. All right. Well, let me go to Tom
[9:01] Reynolds, Congressman from Buffalo, who
[9:04] also happens to be a Republican. Uh
[9:06] Caroline Kennedy came up to Buffalo last
[9:08] week. Does she come up there often,
[9:11] Congressman?
[9:12] >> No, she didn't. I think uh the last time
[9:14] was maybe campaigning for then uh the
[9:16] first lady uh Hillary Rodm Clinton uh as
[9:19] she was running for the Senate in 2000.
[9:22] And it's interesting uh Buffalo is a
[9:24] bluecollar town in upstate and I guess
[9:26] I'm the only upstater on the program,
[9:28] but she came in a foreign SUV. She left
[9:32] in a uh a Jeep, but uh those are no nos
[9:36] to uh anybody that's learning the uh the
[9:38] geography of upstate New York. uh not to
[9:42] uh be an elected official or a candidate
[9:44] uh traveling in a foreign car. Uh but
[9:47] that meeting that she did upstate in
[9:49] Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo uh was
[9:52] not uh full of press announcement or
[9:55] fanfare. They were really private
[9:57] meetings with the mayors of those three
[9:59] cities. And when it gets us to uh what
[10:02] I've said earlier, um President Barack
[10:05] Obama, president-elect, uh has
[10:07] demonstrated that any person can be
[10:10] elected as an American to the
[10:12] presidency, and he's taken great pride
[10:14] in that and he should. But we've seen
[10:16] the Senate become a House of Lords. And
[10:19] by that, uh, when we've talked a little
[10:21] earlier about entitlement, uh, we're
[10:23] seeing a seat warmer in Delaware, a seat
[10:26] seller in Illinois, and we're making
[10:29] seat cushions in New York uh, for kind
[10:33] of an aristocrat royalty of entitlement
[10:35] uh, coming in here. And as was said by
[10:38] Jerry Ferraro, it is uh, uh, where New
[10:41] York needs a fighter. And right now,
[10:43] based on how the Senate's picking
[10:44] candidates, even Chuck Schumer, the
[10:47] senior senator of New York, wouldn't be
[10:48] eligible because he was just a Brooklyn
[10:50] congressman.
[10:51] >> All right. Well, uh, I'm going to go to
[10:53] Peter King, uh, your colleague in the
[10:55] Congress, who's also a Republican from
[10:57] out on Long Island. Uh, Congressman, you
[10:59] would actually like to run for this seat
[11:01] in 2010 and have made no secret about
[11:04] that. Uh the fact that we're having this
[11:06] program this morning, the fact that she
[11:08] has stirred up so much comment, not just
[11:10] not in New York, but across the nation,
[11:12] doesn't that suggest she probably would
[11:14] be the strongest, the toughest candidate
[11:16] for you to run against if you do in fact
[11:18] run?
[11:20] >> No, Bob, not at all. Because uh New
[11:22] York, as you know, is the number one
[11:25] Islamic terrorist target in the world.
[11:27] Uh we're going to face unprecedented uh
[11:30] hardship because of the financial crisis
[11:31] affecting New York. And the last thing
[11:33] we need is a People magazine celebrity
[11:35] as our United States senator, especially
[11:37] someone who has no experience, who as
[11:39] far as I know has never held a real job.
[11:41] And now we found out that she hasn't
[11:43] even voted half the time. She hasn't
[11:45] voted in any of the Democratic mayoral
[11:47] primaries. She didn't even vote the last
[11:49] time that Pat Moyahan ran for the seat
[11:52] that she's looking for now or Mario
[11:54] Cuomo is running the race of his life
[11:55] and lost. She wasn't there for that. And
[11:58] even for instance, you have Joel Klein
[12:00] on. I think Joel Klein will be an
[12:02] outstanding candidate. Uh Shirley
[12:04] Jackson, another educator, be a great
[12:06] candidate. Gary Aerman, Shirley Ferrar,
[12:08] these people who have been through the
[12:09] mill, who know what it's like, who have
[12:10] had real life experience. How can the
[12:12] average New Yorker identify with
[12:14] Caroline Kennedy when she spent her
[12:17] whole life, and again, she comes from an
[12:18] outstanding family. I'm sure she's a
[12:20] wonderful parent, but she's never taken
[12:22] a stand on any public issue. She's never
[12:25] been uh even held one news conference.
[12:27] She hasn't gone to one American Legion
[12:29] Hall or Knights of Columbus Hall or
[12:30] Masonic Temple or one uh uh synagogue to
[12:33] answer questions. Uh when she does go on
[12:36] her so-called listening tour upstate,
[12:38] she's like running from the, you know,
[12:39] from city hall into the car to avoid
[12:41] reporters. And we just can't afford
[12:43] that. We can't afford to have a senator
[12:46] uh who is not prepared on day one. So,
[12:48] you'd say uh uh as far as being a tough
[12:51] candidate, uh you know, I don't want to
[12:52] be hurting myself and I would say any of
[12:54] the other Democratic candidates who are
[12:56] being named have far more credentials
[12:58] and have far more experience than
[13:00] Caroline Kennedy. And the fact that this
[13:01] is on national television means that if
[13:04] she does get the appointment from
[13:05] Governor Patterson that there's going to
[13:07] be a magnifying glass on her. There's
[13:09] going to be a spotlight on her and
[13:11] people are going to see that she is not
[13:13] equipped for the job and it's going to
[13:14] create national tension. And I think the
[13:16] Republican candidate in 2010 will have a
[13:19] much better opportunity against Caroline
[13:20] Kennedy than against the others,
[13:22] especially someone who could identify
[13:24] with middle inome workingclass families.
[13:26] >> All right. Well, uh Joel Klein, if
[13:28] Carrie Kennedy were here this morning,
[13:30] we'd certainly give her a chance to
[13:31] rebut some of this, but you're having to
[13:34] do double duty this morning. So, I guess
[13:36] I'll give you a chance here to just go
[13:37] down the line here and talk about some
[13:39] of this. I must say uh nobody at this
[13:41] point has said anything uh disparaging
[13:44] about Caroline Kennedy's character, but
[13:47] I would also add as a someone who
[13:49] covered the Congress for 15 years and
[13:51] was in the capital every almost every
[13:53] day during those 15 years, uh it is hard
[13:56] for me to imagine Caroline Kennedy
[13:58] getting off one of those Senate
[14:00] elevators and being accosted by five or
[14:03] six reporters because reporters have
[14:05] total access to candidates there. How is
[14:08] she going to manage that and how is she
[14:10] going to do that?
[14:11] >> I I've seen her do it here in New York.
[14:13] You know, we've done events together.
[14:15] Let me make a couple of points, Bob,
[14:16] because I think there's a lot of carping
[14:18] and, you know, sort of clever uh
[14:20] analogies, but I think people are
[14:22] missing the essence of this woman, and
[14:24] I'll give you two instances. Five and a
[14:26] half, six years ago, when I asked her
[14:29] along with Mayor Bloomberg to come help
[14:31] with New York City's public schools,
[14:33] that's not a glamorous thing to do. This
[14:36] woman put her shoulder to the wheel,
[14:38] went out there and sent a powerful
[14:40] message to the entire city that public
[14:42] education matters. She helped us raise
[14:44] money. She helped us forge partnerships
[14:46] and she spent time with our kids in the
[14:49] schools. I think that says a lot about
[14:51] her. She could have done a lot of things
[14:53] with the time she had. And most
[14:55] recently, think about this. She came out
[14:57] and this was a a courageous act and
[15:00] announced that she was going to support
[15:02] uh then uh Senator Obama in the national
[15:05] election. That was not an easy thing to
[15:07] do coming from New York City. She's a
[15:09] woman of character and a woman of
[15:11] conviction. And my good friend Pete King
[15:14] said, you know, what does she know about
[15:16] the middle class or the working class or
[15:18] struggling people? With all due respect,
[15:20] she came to work for the kids in New
[15:23] York. Most of those kids grow up in poor
[15:26] families. You know, you could say about
[15:27] Teddy Kennedy, what does he know about
[15:30] the working class and the poor and the
[15:31] underprivileged and yet he's the lion of
[15:34] the Senate? You could say about Hillary
[15:36] Clinton, she had never run for any
[15:38] office before she became senator. And I
[15:41] don't think anyone would say she hasn't
[15:43] served this state with great
[15:45] distinction. I think Caroline Kennedy
[15:47] has all of the right stuff. I think
[15:49] she's ready. Now, in the past, Bob, and
[15:52] you mentioned this, when you're dealing
[15:53] with the issues that her family went
[15:56] through and keeping her children away
[15:58] from the media and all the attention,
[16:00] that was her goal, and she did it
[16:01] masterfully. But I have seen her over
[16:03] the last several years. I saw her on
[16:06] national television several times during
[16:08] this election, and she's a woman who is
[16:10] poised and ready. And is she a fighter
[16:12] for the things she cares about? You bet
[16:14] she's a fighter. I think this woman
[16:16] really is going to have the stuff that
[16:19] people want to see in a candidate
[16:21] ultimately. And if she gets to run
[16:23] against uh Pete King in 2010, I think
[16:26] we'll all enjoy that, including I
[16:28] suspect Pete.
[16:28] >> All right, let me go back to Gary Arian.
[16:30] There's another intriguing angle to this
[16:33] story, and that is that Andrew Cuomo,
[16:35] who is the state attorney general, a lot
[16:38] of polls show that a lot of New Yorkers
[16:39] would like to see him get this
[16:41] appointment. But if there's here's
[16:43] another possibility. Would it be
[16:45] dangerous for Governor Patterson to pick
[16:48] Caroline Kennedy for this post? And I
[16:51] say that dangerous politically because
[16:53] that might then encourage Andrew Cuomo,
[16:55] who'd like to have this Senate
[16:56] appointment, to run instead for governor
[16:59] against Governor Patterson.
[17:00] >> Well, there's always that possibility
[17:02] and the governor has to figure that all
[17:03] into his calculus. But I think in the
[17:04] end that the governor is going to do
[17:06] what he believes is best in the
[17:08] interests of the state of New York
[17:09] rather than something political. He's
[17:11] proven time and time again that he's up
[17:12] to that task of of doing it. Uh I I just
[17:15] have to comment my my good friend uh
[17:17] Pete King uh I think he's trying to lay
[17:20] the trap and bait Carolyn Kennedy uh
[17:22] into this. Uh Ted Kennedy may be the
[17:25] lion of the Senate, but Pete King is is
[17:27] the Tom tiger of of the House. He he
[17:30] can't wait to get her in there to rough
[17:32] her up. This is a very bruising, tough
[17:36] business to be in. Uh whether or not she
[17:39] fits that mold or not remains to be
[17:41] seen. whether she is the lion of that
[17:44] that appears to be in her her uncle or
[17:47] whether uh her cousin uh Kathleen in
[17:50] Maryland who was the lieutenant governor
[17:52] nominated picked to be on the slate with
[17:54] the governor did it for eight years as
[17:55] as a Kennedy name and then committed the
[17:58] crime of losing the rate for governor
[18:00] terrible in the debates couldn't hold a
[18:02] candle to the Republican opposition was
[18:04] basically eaten alive and lost the state
[18:06] that a Democrat should be put in jail
[18:08] for losing Pete King and and and anybody
[18:10] else on the Republican I can't wait to
[18:12] get her into the race.
[18:13] >> All right. Well, I could talk about this
[18:15] all morning. I want to thank all of you.
[18:17] This was just fascinating for me. We'll
[18:19] be back in one minute uh to talk with
[18:22] Dominic Carter about his tale in a
[18:24] second.
[18:36] And with us now, Dominic Carter, who is
[18:38] the political anchor of New York One
[18:40] News. And Dominic, I want to say uh when
[18:42] we started calling around in New York
[18:44] City last week to find out who would
[18:47] have their finger on this story, uh you
[18:50] were the person who was most often
[18:52] mentioned and that's why we asked you to
[18:54] be with us this morning. So, what do you
[18:56] hear? What do you know? How is this
[18:58] thing going to come out?
[18:59] >> Well, first of all, good morning, Bob,
[19:01] and thank you for that comment. Uh, from
[19:03] what I hear, uh, I've listened for the
[19:05] last couple of minutes to the back and
[19:06] forth between the members of Congress,
[19:09] Geraldine Far Ferraro and the school's
[19:10] chancellor, but from what I hear, it is
[19:13] basically a done deal that if Caroline
[19:15] Kennedy wants this seat, and she has
[19:17] expressed interest in it, then it is
[19:19] hers. I I should point out, Bob, that uh
[19:22] last week I had the opportunity to sit
[19:24] down with her for a couple of minutes up
[19:26] in Harlem and and the the Camelot signs
[19:29] are there. you know, we can talk about
[19:31] how private a person she is and so on,
[19:34] you know, uh running away from the
[19:36] media, but the signs that I saw um and
[19:39] this is it may it may not be done, but
[19:41] I'm told that it's done. When she walked
[19:43] into this restaurant in Harlem, the
[19:45] crowd gave her basically a standing
[19:47] ovation and then she sat down for a
[19:50] private event, I saw confidence. I I saw
[19:53] that she wasn't looking to run. Uh it
[19:55] had to to run away from the media. It
[19:57] has been somewhat of a slow roll out of
[20:00] Caroline Kennedy and I think her folks
[20:02] are taking the heat for that.
[20:03] >> Well, let's talk a little bit about this
[20:05] other side of the story that I find so
[20:07] interesting and again there are so many
[20:08] connections here and that is the Andrew
[20:11] Cuomo side. the son of another very
[20:14] famous political family in New York, the
[20:16] son of Mario Cuomo, the former governor,
[20:19] who I would also say was once married to
[20:22] Carrie Kennedy, uh, who was supposed to
[20:24] be on this program this morning beating
[20:26] the drums for Caroline Kennedy. Uh, what
[20:29] about this deal? I'm hearing that he
[20:32] would very much like to have this
[20:33] appointment. And what happens if
[20:35] Governor Patterson does appoint Caroline
[20:38] Kennedy to this seat? Do you think that
[20:40] would increase the possibility that
[20:41] Andrew Cuomo might then turn around and
[20:44] run against Patterson for governor?
[20:46] >> Perhaps, but that might be a stretch,
[20:49] Bob. Uh Andrew Cuomo is definitely
[20:52] interested in the job, but the problem
[20:53] is that if he does not get it, and
[20:56] Governor Patterson goes with Caroline
[20:57] Kennedy. Andrew Cuomo has been down this
[21:00] road before in terms of trying to run in
[21:03] a primary against an African-American
[21:05] candidate. And and and in this case, it
[21:07] would be a sitting governor. So, that
[21:09] may not sit too well. He has a future in
[21:11] the Democratic party, and he may, I
[21:13] emphasize, may may not want to put it on
[21:16] the line to again challenge a uh an
[21:19] African-American candidate where it
[21:20] didn't play too well the last time
[21:22] around.
[21:22] >> Well, you know, uh politicians first
[21:24] rule is personal survival. And I think
[21:27] that's one of the things that Governor
[21:29] Patterson will obviously have to take
[21:31] into account. The other part of it is
[21:33] Governor Patterson wants somebody on
[21:35] that ticket with him, uh, who's going to
[21:37] help him get votes, somebody that can
[21:39] raise money without cutting into his
[21:41] money. Uh, would that be the main reason
[21:44] that you see it that he would, uh, would
[21:46] appoint Caroline Kennedy other than the
[21:48] fact that, well, she's qualified or
[21:49] whatever else he would say about her?
[21:51] >> Uh, I I don't necessarily see it, Bob,
[21:53] as the major reason. Perhaps on top of
[21:56] that would be the incoming White House
[21:58] of President-elect Barack Obama wants to
[22:01] see Caroline Kennedy in the Senate. Uh,
[22:03] Senate Majority Leader uh Harry Reid has
[22:06] expressed support for her going to the
[22:08] Senate. But I'm glad you brought that
[22:10] point up because it is a good one. If
[22:12] Caroline Kennedy is on the ticket, the
[22:14] same ticket in which Charles Schumer
[22:16] runs for reelection in 2010, she brings
[22:20] prestige. She brings the Kennedy name
[22:22] and she brings the ability to raise a
[22:24] lot of money. That's one less problem
[22:26] the Democrats will have to worry about.
[22:28] >> We're almost out of time here, but what
[22:30] about Hillary Clinton? Will she try to
[22:32] block this? No love lost with the
[22:34] Kennedy family after they endorsed Obama
[22:36] early on.
[22:37] >> She has told her people to back off. She
[22:40] is moving ahead in terms of becoming
[22:42] Secretary of State. And you know, for
[22:44] all the criticism we've heard of
[22:45] Caroline Kennedy, we've been there
[22:47] before in terms of hearing the same
[22:48] exact thing about Hillary Clinton, Bob.
[22:50] And happy holidays to you.
[22:52] >> All right. Thank you very much, Dominic.
[22:53] And we'll be back in just a moment.
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