Sean Spicer on Katie Zacharia's ouster as press secretary
Channel: CBS News
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[0:00] Hi, I'm Lindsey Reiser. We're following
[0:02] up on the breaking news out of the White
[0:03] House. Katie Zakhary has been ousted of
[0:06] her role of press secretary. She was
[0:08] fired after less than a week on the job.
[0:10] A White House aide tells CBS News
[0:12] Zakhary has spent the week unusually
[0:14] isolated and didn't function as a press
[0:16] secretary. Earlier today, President
[0:19] Trump told reporters he had encouraged
[0:20] her to reconsider the job.
[0:23] >> She's been treated uh
[0:25] I would say
[0:27] pretty nastily. And I said to Katie just
[0:30] 2 minutes ago, I said, "Katie,
[0:32] you know, you don't have to do this if
[0:33] you don't want to."
[0:34] She said, "This is a lot
[0:36] tougher." I said, "Welcome to the world
[0:38] of Trump."
[0:40] >> Naval officer and former White House
[0:41] press secretary in President Trump's
[0:42] first administration, Sean Spicer, joins
[0:44] me now. And Sean, you had told my
[0:47] colleague Errol Barnett that it's a
[0:48] really tough job um that that some of it
[0:51] is trial by fire
[0:54] um but that her kindness could do
[0:56] wonders for her. You also, after her
[0:58] first press briefing, had said that you
[1:00] felt bad for her. Can you elaborate on
[1:02] that?
[1:04] >> Yeah, look, I I had a very very
[1:06] difficult first outing myself, so I tend
[1:08] to tend to have a little sympathy for
[1:09] people who go on after me knowing the
[1:11] challenges uh of both the job itself and
[1:14] the demanding nature of this president.
[1:16] He expects a lot from his folks.
[1:18] Uh and clearly Katie got thrown into the
[1:19] deep end. She started on a federal
[1:22] holiday and the next morning had to
[1:24] brief at 9:00 a.m. I I don't know how
[1:27] she possibly thought that that would
[1:28] work out well. And coming from the
[1:31] background that she had, I I noted I
[1:33] wrote a column about it today. Look, I'd
[1:35] been in the military for over 20 years.
[1:36] I'd worked for 10 different members of
[1:38] Congress, served in the Bush White
[1:39] House. I came in with at least an
[1:41] understanding of a lot of government
[1:43] policies, an awareness of different
[1:44] departments and agencies. It's a lot for
[1:46] anybody to handle, never mind somebody
[1:48] who hasn't served in in government
[1:50] before at a senior level.
[1:52] Um and then for this president who has a
[1:55] level of intensity and scrutiny that
[1:57] I've never seen in government before
[1:59] Um was going to make this challenging
[2:01] from the jump.
[2:04] >> You also in terms of the timing, I know
[2:06] that she had told Sean Hannity that she
[2:09] didn't feel as prepared as possible. He
[2:11] gave a follow-up and said, "Are you
[2:13] saying that you you essentially blame
[2:14] the staff for not preparing you as
[2:16] well?" And she didn't quite take that
[2:17] bait, but it sort of sounded like she
[2:19] was teetering there on the edge.
[2:22] I mean how crucial was that time slot
[2:25] because take me through what all the
[2:27] preparation is to prep for one of those
[2:30] briefings.
[2:32] >> Yeah, I mean look, generally speaking, I
[2:33] used to get up at 5:00 in the morning. I
[2:35] would prep until 7:00 on my own, then my
[2:36] staff would come in. We'd do an hour or
[2:39] two, then senior staff would come in,
[2:40] the National Security Council staff, the
[2:42] National Economic staff, the legislative
[2:45] staff, the counsels and give you the
[2:46] latest on issues in their purview. And
[2:48] then I would go sit with the president
[2:49] for a while and say, "This is what we
[2:51] believe we're going to get asked. This
[2:53] is the response that we think is
[2:54] appropriate." And he would critique it,
[2:56] update it to his voice. The idea that
[2:58] you think you could brief at 9:30 a.m.
[3:00] and have enough time to get all that
[3:01] after your first day being a federal
[3:03] holiday, where the you know, a lot of
[3:06] that staff on the career side just isn't
[3:08] around. I I just don't know how you
[3:11] thought there was that much runway. Not
[3:13] that I'm blaming her. And by the way, I
[3:15] I don't necessarily like I heard that
[3:16] answer on Hannity. I don't think she was
[3:18] blaming the staff so much as just saying
[3:20] having there's there's no one that could
[3:22] prepare in that amount of time. You get
[3:24] the briefing book late. And frankly, she
[3:26] got it a day at bed, right? I mean on
[3:28] Monday. Well, you've got to deal with
[3:30] all the issues Tuesday morning, whether
[3:31] it's Ukraine, Iran, new economic news,
[3:34] politics with respect to the midterms
[3:37] coming up. All those things you've got
[3:39] to be at the top of your game every day.
[3:42] And I I just I think not knowing was
[3:46] part of the problem. I would have come
[3:48] in and said, "Mr. President,
[3:49] how about this? How about we push the
[3:51] briefing back till about 1:00, I get
[3:53] some quality time with you, or we push
[3:54] it back a day because I need to get up
[3:56] to speed. I don't even know how to log
[3:58] into my computer, or have my badge
[3:59] ready, or all of the machinations that
[4:02] anyone deals with when getting a new
[4:03] job. So, I I didn't read it the same way
[4:06] with respect to the staff not preparing
[4:08] her. I just don't think there was enough
[4:10] time. And, you know, part of this is to
[4:13] make sure that you go out with your best
[4:15] foot forward. I I clearly, like I said,
[4:17] I feel sympathy for her having a very
[4:19] difficult first day myself, but if you
[4:22] ever notice, my second briefing was 79
[4:24] minutes long. I took every question on a
[4:26] variety of issues. I had been preparing
[4:28] for that day for over 2 weeks. Mock
[4:30] briefings, briefings from staff and
[4:32] subject matter experts. So, you know,
[4:35] th- this is not to be taken lightly. And
[4:37] the job of the press secretary, by the
[4:38] way, I always tell people that 15 to 20%
[4:41] is the briefing, the behind-the-scenes
[4:43] stuff, the meetings,
[4:44] uh the updates, the coordination that
[4:46] goes on, and the rollouts, the
[4:48] announcements. That's the 80% that
[4:50] people never see.
[4:53] >> What do we learn from this? What What
[4:54] would be your advice to the
[4:55] administration?
[4:58] >> Well, I I I I think two things. Think
[4:59] very carefully about you like the
[5:01] president values somebody who can speak
[5:04] uh on his behalf. Katie met that
[5:06] challenge. She was her She has a long
[5:08] history of going out there, talking
[5:10] about the America First agenda, its
[5:12] policies, and defending President Trump.
[5:14] That's great. But, I think making sure
[5:16] that they have the policy chops to go
[5:18] along with that, to understand the
[5:19] issues, and the understanding of how
[5:22] government operates, how different
[5:23] departments and Congress and outside
[5:25] stakeholders all interact with the White
[5:27] House,
[5:28] uh to to move an agenda forward.
[5:32] >> All right, Sean Spicer. Thank you so
[5:33] much for your time, and CBS News can
[5:35] confirm that Zacharias is expected to
[5:37] start a new role in the administration
[5:39] soon. This is according to sources
[5:40] familiar with the discussion. Zacharias,
[5:43] her husband, and her kids have been
[5:44] invited to dinner with the vice
[5:45] president tonight.