Up to the Minute (CBS) snippet - 2005-11-23 (Iraq War)
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[0:03] The State Department [music] says it has
[0:04] no quarrel with a recent call by Iraqi
[0:07] leaders for a timetable for the
[0:09] withdrawal of foreign troops. Shiite,
[0:11] Sunni, and Kurdish leaders adopted the
[0:13] statement after a reconciliation
[0:14] conference in Cairo. In a statement
[0:16] released Tuesday, the State Department
[0:18] said the US-led coalition remains
[0:20] committed to fostering stability and
[0:22] security in Iraq and will leave as soon
[0:24] as those goals are achieved. Is a
[0:26] timetable a good idea or would it
[0:28] empower insurgents to wait? Joining us
[0:31] this morning with some insight is
[0:32] retired Army Colonel and CBS News
[0:34] military analyst Jeff McCausen. Good
[0:35] morning, Colonel. How are you?
[0:37] >> I'm fine. Listen, how are you?
[0:38] >> Good, good. The call by Iraqi leaders.
[0:40] Why now? Does it have anything to do
[0:42] with what's been going on the past week
[0:44] uh in Washington, the criticism and
[0:46] suggestions of timets?
[0:48] >> I don't think it has much to do with
[0:49] going on in Washington. I think it has
[0:50] to do what's going on in Baghdad. And
[0:52] that is the upcoming elections here in
[0:54] December will be key. we have a new
[0:55] constitution and now an election in
[0:57] accordance with that constitution. So I
[0:59] think it's an effort in particular by
[1:00] the Shia majority to reach out to Sunnis
[1:02] and others to encourage them to
[1:04] participate in that process. So in many
[1:06] ways this was a concession of those
[1:08] folks and now we have a call for a
[1:10] timetable but no real specified dates
[1:13] for that timetable.
[1:14] >> How important is it for a young
[1:15] government like this to be perceived as
[1:17] as standing on its own at this point?
[1:19] >> Well, I think it's absolutely key. I
[1:20] mean this is a matter of legitimacy of
[1:22] that government once it's established in
[1:24] January without some kind of discussion
[1:26] by this after the election of course it
[1:29] would be looked upon as being mere
[1:30] puppet of the United States and that
[1:31] would be an accusation it opponents the
[1:33] insurgents who I think would use
[1:34] frequently.
[1:35] >> Well certainly there's been discussion
[1:36] of an early uh withdrawal or a
[1:38] withdrawal in general uh going on in
[1:40] Washington while the president was on
[1:41] his Asian tour. Let me get your reaction
[1:43] to that. First of all, um, from John
[1:45] Murtha, um, his statements, he is a
[1:48] very, uh, honored, uh, vet and certainly
[1:52] knows what he's talking about. How does
[1:53] the military take it when you have
[1:55] somebody suggesting a timetable like
[1:58] that?
[1:58] >> Well, I think most of us thinks this is
[1:59] a sign of a healthy democracy, the
[2:01] healthy democracy, they can have a
[2:02] discussion. And as you say, John Murphy
[2:05] is highly respected. He was a Marine
[2:06] Colonel, served in Vietnam, Bronze Star,
[2:09] two Purple Hearts, and so I think
[2:11] they'll take his remarks quite
[2:12] seriously. And of course, Bertha also
[2:14] speaks for a lot of people in the
[2:15] Pentagon and he may have gotten some of
[2:17] those ideas from those discussions.
[2:18] >> Do they don't see this criticism though
[2:20] coming from, you know, you're not down
[2:21] in the trenches with us.
[2:22] >> No, I don't think so at all. I mean,
[2:24] Murtha stays very connected. He's
[2:25] visited Iraq. He talks frequently of
[2:28] military leaders. I think he feels very
[2:30] strong about this and very emotional
[2:31] about this and and just part of this
[2:33] ongoing debate.
[2:34] >> So they you think they do give his
[2:36] thoughts weight then?
[2:37] >> Absolutely. I mean, in many ways, like I
[2:38] said, he talks frequently to senior and
[2:40] Pentagon officials. uh I think they'll
[2:42] give his thoughts a lot of weight. The
[2:44] the question I think is the idea of the
[2:46] immediate quick time of withdrawal mura
[2:49] saying in 6 months as opposed to more
[2:51] phase withdrawal that would be keyed
[2:53] upon improvement Iraqi security forces
[2:56] expansion of the political process and
[2:59] some dampening down of the insurgency
[3:00] over a longer period of time.
[3:01] >> As far as the insurgency though, can you
[3:03] give a timetable at all with the kind of
[3:06] enemy that's being fought right now? I
[3:08] think eventually one will have to be put
[3:09] out just so again we can provide a
[3:11] degree of legitimacy to that Iraqi
[3:13] government while at the same time
[3:14] continue to say while at certain dates
[3:16] might be established they would still
[3:19] have contingent upon that progress
[3:21] politically improved in Iraqi security
[3:24] forces now over 200,000 and a military
[3:27] force of the United States could be
[3:28] moved out initially to Kuwait where they
[3:31] would still be readily available if
[3:32] things got difficult back in Iraq. So,
[3:34] do you think because of what's happened
[3:36] and the signals you're hearing, what
[3:37] you're hearing from your sources, the
[3:39] administration could take this seriously
[3:40] and release a timetable?
[3:43] >> Absolutely. In fact, there was a report
[3:44] this past week that a contingency plan
[3:46] has been created. I'm sure there has
[3:48] been to talk about a withdrawal of US
[3:50] forces. At the same time, I'm sure
[3:51] there's a contingency plan to rapidly
[3:54] reinforce Iraq if situation got worse.
[3:57] So, I'm sure military planners are
[3:58] thinking about these as we move into the
[4:00] time after the upcoming election. Is
[4:02] this a product of military strategy or
[4:04] is this a product of political pressure
[4:06] and elections coming up for you know
[4:09] lawmakers that they they're rushing to
[4:11] do this? There's been a lot of
[4:12] criticism. So,
[4:13] >> well, Carl Von Claus once said war is
[4:15] politics by other means. So, it's a bit
[4:17] of both. I mean, it's certainly part of
[4:18] the military strategy. The president
[4:20] said we're going to stay in Iraq until
[4:21] we're no longer needed and not one day
[4:24] longer. So, if that's the case, it'll be
[4:26] time for us to move on. Second of all,
[4:28] politically in Iraq to provide
[4:29] legitimacy to that Iraqi government as
[4:31] it stands on its own seats hopefully in
[4:33] January. And of course, we have to
[4:35] acknowledge certain political realities
[4:37] back in the United States. As you say,
[4:38] 2006 is election year.
[4:41] >> Is it possible that the administration
[4:43] has had a timetable and has been
[4:45] hesitant to release it? Or have they
[4:47] been waiting for things to happen in
[4:49] civil war that did they bank on the
[4:51] support uh faltering as as quickly and
[4:54] rap as it has? I don't think they banked
[4:56] on support falling as rapidly as it had.
[4:58] The administration's had a pretty tough
[5:00] fall between Katrina, Harriet Meyers,
[5:03] Scooter Libby being indicted and those
[5:05] things have got to affect the trust and
[5:06] confidence people have in the
[5:08] administration has to have an adverse
[5:09] effect on Iraq. So I think that's part
[5:11] and parcel of that. Again, I think there
[5:12] was always a contingency plan because
[5:14] that's what military planners do. And
[5:16] throughout this time, the administration
[5:18] has said withdrawal of US forces will be
[5:20] key to progress with Iraqi security
[5:22] forces and political developments. I
[5:24] mean, even Ambassador Kalazad in October
[5:27] said he could foresee US forces being
[5:29] out in two years.
[5:30] >> All right, Colonel Jeff Mccau, thanks so
[5:32] much for being with us. Pleasure to be
[5:34] with you.