NBC News - Iraq War begins - 2003-03-19 - 9:32 p.m. (E)
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[0:10] >> This is an NBC News special report.
[0:13] Target Iraq. Here is Tom Brokoff.
[0:18] Good evening everyone. It has been an
[0:20] evening of tense expectations. The 48
[0:23] hour deadline for Saddam Hussein to
[0:25] leave Iraq has expired about an hour and
[0:28] 30 minutes ago now. And we have reports
[0:30] that American war plananes could be in
[0:32] the air. We're going to go to Peter
[0:34] Arnett who is now in Baghdad where it is
[0:37] early Thursday morning and air raid
[0:39] sirens are sounding across the capital
[0:41] city. Peter, what are you hearing and
[0:42] what are you seeing?
[0:47] >> I don't have contact,
[0:51] can you hear me? Yes. Go ahead, Peter.
[0:54] >> Yeah. Hello, Tom. I don't know if you
[0:56] can hear me, but there's sirens sounding
[0:59] all over Baghdad as of this moment. It's
[1:01] about an hour before dawn here. Siren
[1:05] sounding, but no sounds of missiles or
[1:07] anti-aircraft fire.
[1:09] This could be a pre-warning of an
[1:12] attack. No sign of any attack, but it
[1:15] could be a pre-warning. The sirens have
[1:17] now died down. In the Gulf War 12 years
[1:19] ago, there was a similar series of
[1:22] sirens before the actual bombing began.
[1:25] >> And Peter, what about the conditions on
[1:27] the ground in Baghdad? Uh, were you
[1:30] seeing any overt signs of anti-aircraft
[1:33] defenses being moved
[1:34] >> under the first anti-aircraft fire I am
[1:36] seeing in the sky now directly in front
[1:38] of me, Tom? and the and the eastern side
[1:41] of the city. Scattered scattered fire
[1:44] not very visible with the first
[1:46] scattered fire and the city itself. A
[1:48] few police cars zooming through the
[1:51] streets. The lights of the city are
[1:52] still on. Other than that, no activity,
[1:55] but it's really get a sense here of an
[1:58] impending attack.
[2:00] >> All right, let's go to uh NBC Jim
[2:02] Mclashesky who's at the Pentagon
[2:04] tonight. We're going to keep that
[2:05] picture of Baghdad live up for you about
[2:08] an hour before dawn there. Jim
[2:10] Mclashesky at the Pentagon. What can you
[2:12] tell us?
[2:13] >> Well, Tom, uh earlier this evening, uh
[2:15] US sources told NBC News that uh it
[2:18] appeared that as many as a dozen B-52s
[2:21] had taken off from England. Now, the
[2:23] cover story apparently uh out of that
[2:26] region was that they were on some kind
[2:28] of training mission or or some unrelated
[2:30] mission to the uh uh possible uh
[2:33] invasion of Iraq. Uh but we were told
[2:37] that it appeared that those bombers were
[2:39] indeed headed toward Iraq. US military
[2:42] officials are also saying tonight uh
[2:45] that uh that what we may be seeing
[2:48] tonight could in fact be what they call
[2:51] preliminary air strikes or prepping the
[2:53] battlefield. It was thought that at some
[2:55] time uh the US military would launch uh
[2:59] an increased number of air strikes uh
[3:01] probably at some of the integrated
[3:03] missile defense systems in an attempt to
[3:06] take them down uh before there was
[3:09] actual any actual invasion. Uh as as of
[3:12] now, as we heard just a moment ago, the
[3:14] air raid sirens in Baghdad, uh it it is
[3:18] unclear as to uh how extensive uh any US
[3:22] military operation uh may be at this
[3:25] time.
[3:26] >> All right, thanks very much NBC's Jim
[3:28] Miloski at the Pentagon. It's also worth
[3:30] noting that the president and Vice
[3:32] President Cheney remain at the White
[3:34] House tonight. Reporters who were there
[3:35] were told to stand by, not to go home.
[3:38] That didn't mean that there was any
[3:40] action that was imminent. But let's go
[3:42] back to Peter Arnett now.
[3:43] >> Hey, I got you.
[3:44] >> Uh Peter, what can you tell us about
[3:46] what you're seeing now and what looks
[3:48] like pre-dawn skies over Baghdad?
[3:51] >> Well, what we have the city has returned
[3:53] to calm, Tom. 5 minutes ago, a series of
[3:56] loud sirens across the city, followed by
[3:59] some scattered anti-aircraft fire to the
[4:01] east of the city. Then an explosion in
[4:03] the center could well have been an
[4:05] anti-aircraft gun firing. Now we're back
[4:07] to normal again. There is a there are
[4:10] there are police cars zooming about the
[4:12] town, but nothing right now. But clearly
[4:15] this is a city on alert and waiting.
[4:17] Tom.
[4:18] >> All right. Thanks very much. Uh Peter
[4:19] Arnett, who is a correspondent for
[4:21] National Geographic Explorer on
[4:23] assignment for NBC News. He was there of
[4:25] course in 1991 for CNN. As we look at
[4:29] the Iraqi capital, uh this has been an
[4:33] evening that everyone has been waiting
[4:36] to arrive. Uh because the president gave
[4:39] Saddam Hussein and his family 48 hours
[4:41] on Monday. In a dramatic and sobering
[4:44] announcement from the White House that
[4:46] expired tonight at 8 earlier, Uday, the
[4:49] president's uh eldest son in Iraq, said
[4:52] that they had no intention whatsoever of
[4:54] leaving. Throughout the day, we heard
[4:57] from Iraqi officials, the Minister of
[5:00] Information, Tariq Aziz, who's the
[5:02] deputy prime minister, who appeared in
[5:04] military uniform and with a pistol,
[5:06] saying that he's ready to fight after
[5:08] there had been reports that he may be
[5:09] trying to escape the country. He said
[5:11] that was simply not true. Also scenes
[5:13] from the Iraqi Parliament, people
[5:16] chanting and cheering, saying that they
[5:17] were prepared to die for their great
[5:20] uncle, as Saddam Hussein likes to be
[5:22] called. Um at any at any moment let's go
[5:25] to the White House now and
[5:27] uh at any moment we'll be hearing from
[5:30] the White House and Ari Fleer who is the
[5:32] president's spokesman. As I said earlier
[5:35] the correspondents were told to stand by
[5:38] not to go home to remain flexible.
[5:40] There's something called a lid. The lid
[5:43] was not on at the White House tonight.
[5:46] That meant that there could be
[5:47] additional news. But no one was talking.
[5:50] Vice President Cheney is in the White
[5:52] House with the president. Defense
[5:53] Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the
[5:56] chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
[5:57] Richard Meyers were at the White House
[5:59] earlier and they went back across the
[6:02] river to the Pentagon. I'm joined here
[6:04] in the studios as we continue to keep
[6:05] this picture up by General Barry
[6:07] McAffrey who led an armored assault
[6:10] during Operation Desert Storm. uh
[6:12] General Mike Short who is a a veteran of
[6:16] a lot of tactical aircraft and ran the
[6:18] bombing uh campaign over Kosovo and Vice
[6:20] Admiral Dennis McInn who was the former
[6:23] commander of the USS Ranger and a
[6:25] carrier pilot. Let's begin General
[6:27] McAffrey with you about timing. Um this
[6:31] would be an unusual time. Generally we
[6:32] make these strikes in the middle of the
[6:34] night if in fact something is going on
[6:36] now. Are you surprised that it could
[6:38] come during daylight hours? I think this
[6:40] would be one of the most unusual things
[6:42] I've ever encountered. You can't get
[6:45] strategic surprise. You can't get
[6:46] operational surprise. So, if they're
[6:48] actually doing this, then they will
[6:49] absolutely have stunned the Iraqis. Not
[6:52] a one of them would assume this would
[6:54] happen just prior to dawn. Uh
[6:56] overwhelming surprise.
[6:58] >> And Mike Short, what would be your
[7:00] concerns as an Air Force commander of
[7:02] flying these kinds of missions during
[7:04] daylight, which we're about to see
[7:05] there?
[7:06] >> Tom, I would feel I'm giving up the
[7:07] advantage I've got. I own the night
[7:10] stealth assets. The B2 and the 117.
[7:12] We've seen the pictures of downtown
[7:13] Baghdad. The the sun is coming up. 117s,
[7:17] B2s will be visible. I'd not want to
[7:19] give that up.
[7:20] >> Is there is it possible that what we're
[7:22] doing here is prepping the battlefield,
[7:24] as Jim McClashevski said, and this is
[7:26] not the first wave of what will be the
[7:29] opening stage of the war. Tom, it's
[7:31] certainly possible, but we have we have
[7:33] been told so many times, shock and awe.
[7:36] To just bomb a few targets and prep the
[7:38] battlefield and then back off for 14
[7:41] hours while we wait for darkness is not
[7:43] my idea of shock and awe.
[7:45] >> And Admiral McInn, you've been both a
[7:47] carrier pilot and a commander of a of a
[7:50] carrier. What about from the Navy's
[7:51] point of view? It's a long way to fly
[7:53] from the Gulf up to Baghdad for one
[7:54] thing.
[7:55] >> It is, but uh thank goodness for the
[7:57] great jointness of Navy and Air Force.
[7:59] We have great tanker support. Tom, I
[8:01] think if this is the beginning of the
[8:03] campaign, it's probably because of the
[8:05] investments we made in technology,
[8:07] specifically standoff weapons, and their
[8:09] accuracy and their rapid targeting since
[8:11] the Gulf War.
[8:13] >> All right, let's go to NBC Jim Mlashesky
[8:15] who's been listening to all of this and
[8:17] he is getting some information as well.
[8:20] >> Peter Arnett in Baghdad. Let's go to
[8:22] Peter.
[8:22] >> Tigris River around the presidential
[8:25] palace.
[8:28] This is clearly an indication the Iraqis
[8:32] are under the impression
[8:35] that they're under attack.
[8:38] Here again, you can hear the audio of
[8:40] that anti-aircraft fire.
[8:44] The Iraqis do have surfaceto-air
[8:46] missiles uh from Soviet design system,
[8:50] SAM twos, threes, eights. They have much
[8:53] anti-aircraft act of machine guns,
[8:57] heavier,
[9:00] heavier devices to fire into the sky. As
[9:03] of yet, no bombing, but intense fire
[9:07] that we're hearing right now. Mainly
[9:10] this fire is on the see the southern out
[9:13] southern part of the city. Nothing in
[9:15] the center of the city yet, but the
[9:16] southern extremities of the city.
[9:20] Not much fire here.
[9:22] >> I see some reflected light as well that
[9:24] looks like it could be some kind of
[9:26] ordinance exploding on the ground as
[9:28] well as the AAA fire that you're talking
[9:30] about. Are you seeing any of that,
[9:31] Peter?
[9:34] >> I'm not getting a very good signal from
[9:36] uh good audio from you, Tom, if you're
[9:39] if you're listening to me.
[9:41] But now, very similar scenes from the
[9:44] Gulf War of 1991 and the bombing of
[9:48] 1998. traces going into the sky.
[9:52] Clearly preparation, the radar
[9:54] presumably the Iraqis have picked up
[9:56] something moving
[9:58] towards this location and they're firing
[10:01] to intercept it
[10:03] >> if they can.
[10:03] >> All right, Peter, I'm just going to
[10:05] continue to talk and then when I call
[10:07] for you, I'll ask you to come in as best
[10:08] you can, even if you're only hearing me
[10:11] faintly. We want to remind everyone that
[10:13] uh we do expect now, I'm told, to hear
[10:15] from the president before too long uh at
[10:18] the White House. Uh NBC Jim Klashesky,
[10:21] as you look at these pictures, tell us
[10:23] what you're hearing at the Pentagon.
[10:25] >> Well, Tom, uh we're getting somewhat of
[10:26] a confused picture uh from various
[10:29] sources in the US government and the US
[10:31] military. Uh what we're told, Tom, uh is
[10:34] that whatever is planned tonight,
[10:36] whether it's prepping the battlefield or
[10:38] whether it's the the start of the war,
[10:40] uh that the the initial attack uh that
[10:43] we're talking about tonight would
[10:45] apparently involve small numbers. That
[10:48] was that was the description given to us
[10:50] a short time ago ago. Small numbers of
[10:53] uh of possible B-52s, possibly stealth
[10:56] fighters, even possibly cruise missiles.
[11:00] Uh there were still some people as as of
[11:03] just a short time ago here in the
[11:05] Pentagon who were describing this still
[11:07] as prepping the battlefield. Now uh now
[11:10] I heard from our panel of experts early
[11:12] uh that this is not shock and awe. But I
[11:15] can tell you that we were also advised
[11:18] very early on uh that any invasion of
[11:21] Iraq by the US would be totally
[11:23] unconventional. A lot of this would be
[11:25] unexpected and there were there were
[11:28] times we are told uh when the US would
[11:30] actually uh launch airplanes at Iraq in
[11:35] in which uh it it it in fact may not be
[11:38] the start of the war uh but just an
[11:40] attempt uh to light up the Iraqi air
[11:43] defense systems, see what they've got uh
[11:46] and and keep the Iraqis offguard. Uh now
[11:49] at this point it is totally unclear uh
[11:52] as to what the Iraqis were shooting at
[11:54] exactly uh but we were told much uh
[11:57] earlier this evening that the air
[12:00] strikes if there are air strikes against
[12:02] Baghdad tonight uh would involve small
[12:05] numbers of US military aircraft and
[12:07] possibly cruise missiles.
[12:10] >> Uh thanks very much NBC Jim McClashesky.
[12:12] What about the role of the B-52 here
[12:14] General Short? Uh Tom, the B-52 is our
[12:17] cruise missile carrier. It carries 20 uh
[12:20] conventional air launch cruise missiles.
[12:22] This is the heavy 2,000 lb warhead, the
[12:25] penetrator and the deep warhead
[12:27] capability. So we may be shooting
[12:30] maybe 200 of these things at deep and
[12:33] and and buried targets, taking down some
[12:35] radars, going after such command control
[12:36] nodes, and again, as Jim said, lighting
[12:39] up the lighting up their radar, see what
[12:40] they do.
[12:41] >> We're going to about to learn a lot
[12:42] more. Here's Ari Fleer at the White
[12:43] House. and stages of the disarmament of
[12:45] the Iraqi regime have begun. The
[12:47] president will address the nation at
[12:49] 10:15.
[12:53] >> Question.
[12:54] >> Well, the war is underway, but it is not
[12:56] underway in in a manner in which we
[12:58] anticipated. We were told that there
[13:00] would be shock and awe. Obviously,
[13:03] this is part of a new way of waging war
[13:06] against Iraq. Um, we have an air
[13:10] campaign that appears to be underway
[13:12] tonight. Um, AAA fire has been seen and
[13:15] heard in the skies over Baghdad, but we
[13:17] have not seen any of that violent
[13:20] explosive firepower that we witnessed in
[13:22] 1991, but it could be just moments away.
[13:25] If the president is coming out at 10:15,
[13:27] I don't think he's coming out to talk
[13:29] about the lights being on in the city of
[13:30] Baghdad. So, there's a good deal going
[13:33] on there right now in the skies over
[13:35] Iraq and in that theater. What it is
[13:37] exactly, we don't know yet, but we'll
[13:39] invite you to stay with us as we watch
[13:41] these pictures of the capital city. And
[13:43] let's go to Peter Arnett now, who is
[13:45] standing by uh at a hotel room window
[13:48] looking outside and watching and
[13:50] listening. Peter, any more signs of
[13:53] anti-aircraft fire?
[13:55] >> Yes. Well, about 30 seconds ago, Tom,
[13:57] the sounds of several planes flying over
[14:00] the city and what seemed to be
[14:02] explosions in the distance out out out,
[14:05] excuse me, outskirts of Baghdad. To the
[14:08] north, we're hearing more anti-aircraft
[14:10] fire, that may be where the actual
[14:12] location of that bombing was, if it
[14:14] indeed was bombing. That high-flying
[14:17] airplanes we heard just now, about a
[14:19] minute ago, several of them over
[14:21] Baghdad.
[14:22] >> All right, thanks, Peter. Right now,
[14:23] it's back to being relatively quiet.
[14:25] >> All right. Thanks, Peter. I I think it's
[14:27] worth pointing out again that uh in some
[14:29] of the pictures that we were seeing
[14:30] earlier that you probably couldn't see
[14:32] there was reflected light in the
[14:34] distance. It looked like something was
[14:35] going off on the ground.
[14:37] >> It could have been a bomb of some kind.
[14:39] Uh NBC Jim McClashesky at the Pentagon
[14:41] now. Jim, you have additional
[14:43] information for us.
[14:44] >> Okay. Bye.
[14:46] >> He's on the phone. He just said goodbye
[14:47] to someone.
[14:48] >> Tom, I was just on the phone a second
[14:50] ago. Uh here's what's in the package
[14:52] tonight. Uh there are going to be small
[14:54] numbers as I said earlier, F-17 stealth
[14:58] fighters, uh the dozen or so B-52
[15:00] bombers out of England, and uh also a
[15:04] package, probably a small package of sea
[15:07] launched cruise missiles uh from US
[15:10] ships in the Persian Gulf. We're told
[15:12] tonight that there will be two sets of
[15:15] attacks tonight. uh and they're both
[15:18] against sets of leadership targets
[15:21] inside Baghdad. Not certain exactly what
[15:24] those leadership targets are, but we can
[15:27] expect two bombing runs uh with F-17
[15:30] stealth fighters, the B-52s and C launch
[15:33] cruise missiles uh against leadership
[15:35] targets uh clearly underway uh at this
[15:38] time.
[15:40] >> All right, thanks very much. NBC Jim
[15:42] Mlashesky watching all this as well. the
[15:45] man who was in charge of the American
[15:47] war in 1990 1991 General Norman
[15:49] Schwarzkov. General, is it possible that
[15:52] what they have here is a plan underway
[15:54] to try to take out Saddam Hussein and
[15:56] the members of his leadership with some
[15:58] surgical strikes? Pause for a moment and
[16:01] then see what happens.
[16:07] I thought we had General Norman
[16:08] Schwarzoff, but perhaps we don't.
[16:10] >> You do. I'm on.
[16:11] >> Okay.
[16:12] >> Yeah. I I just heard just only part of
[16:14] the report uh that that Jim had gotten
[16:17] from the military.
[16:18] >> Well, let me let me take you through it
[16:19] if I can. Then Jim was saying that we're
[16:21] going to have a small package tonight of
[16:23] F-17s, B-52s, a smaller number, cruise
[16:26] missiles, two sets of targets, primarily
[16:29] leadership targets that are in Baghdad
[16:32] and that it will come in two waves. We
[16:34] know that the president's going to come
[16:35] on at 10:15, so the war effectively is
[16:38] underway. Is it possible that they're
[16:40] thinking that they can take out the
[16:42] leadership in surgical strikes, pause,
[16:45] hoping that the country then will rally
[16:47] around the United States or that the
[16:50] other defenses will collapse.
[16:52] >> Yeah. Well, you as you can understand
[16:53] this is completely opposite what we did
[16:55] in Desert Storm. We in fact masked all
[16:57] of our forces and came screaming in at
[17:00] at at 2:30 in the morning with
[17:01] everything we had. So, this is a very
[17:03] very interesting tactic and and it seems
[17:05] like uh just as you say uh they maybe
[17:08] they hoped to to really surprise some of
[17:10] the leadership targets and and catch
[17:12] them before the onslaught happened and
[17:13] they all went underground.
[17:15] >> Barry McAffrey, you're here as well.
[17:17] What would you think of that kind of an
[17:19] approach?
[17:20] >> Well, you know, I I'm actually in shock
[17:22] and awe myself. I can't imagine, you
[17:24] know, we've been talking about this for
[17:25] three weeks, so they certainly surprised
[17:27] me and I think these other two flag
[17:29] officers. uh that may be exactly what
[17:31] they're up to. Uh you know, the intel
[17:33] has been trying to find the leadership
[17:34] targets for the last 30 days. Huge
[17:37] effort to vacuum up data and if this is
[17:40] what we're up to and it works, it would
[17:42] be a terrific gift to the Iraqi people.
[17:45] Uh not only that and we don't know
[17:47] exactly what is going on here but the
[17:49] fact is it would be a political stroke
[17:51] as well because it would mean that there
[17:54] would be a minimal amount of civilian
[17:57] loss and it would be that the target is
[18:00] the Iraqi leadership and Saddam Hussein
[18:02] that it's not war against the Muslim
[18:04] population of Iraq. But as I say we
[18:07] don't know exactly what is going on. We
[18:09] only know that there are planes in the
[18:10] air, that Baghdad apparently has been
[18:13] hit at least uh on the periphery of it
[18:16] and maybe some of those leadership
[18:17] targets are out there and that some fire
[18:20] has been u sent off as well. Um Mike
[18:24] Short, tell us a little more about what
[18:25] other kinds of assets that we have
[18:27] behind these F-17s and the B-52s and the
[18:30] cruise missiles that Jim Mlvsky talked
[18:33] about. Well, Tom, I think they're
[18:35] probably being supported by jamming
[18:36] aircraft, EA6Bs that would jam the radar
[18:39] systems and and prevent them from
[18:41] acquiring the targets if they were able
[18:43] to do that. Probably also uh F-16s and
[18:46] F-18s that shoot missiles that attack
[18:49] radar sites, the harm missile, and I
[18:51] think you'll probably see that escorting
[18:53] these aircraft in. So, this will not
[18:55] simply be the strike assets that Jim
[18:57] talked about. I think there'll be
[18:58] support assets with them to get them in
[19:00] and get them out.
[19:01] >> All right. Well, we've just gotten a
[19:02] report, in fact, from some of our
[19:04] sources that a US official has told NBC
[19:06] News that radar jamming and other
[19:08] electronic attack aircraft began
[19:10] operations at 9:31 Eastern time about 20
[19:13] minutes ago. That's just about the time
[19:15] that we saw the planes over Baghdad. The
[19:17] initial strikes will include a
[19:18] combination of B1 bombers, B2s, B-52s,
[19:21] air and sea launched cruise missiles,
[19:23] standoff weapons, F-17s attacking key
[19:26] nodes of air defense, and national
[19:28] command in and around Baghdad. and also
[19:31] in the south which is where the ground
[19:32] war is going to begin. Is that in
[19:35] keeping with what you would expect?
[19:36] Admiral McInn,
[19:37] >> it is the timing is a little bit off. I
[19:39] share a little bit of that shock and awe
[19:41] that General McAffrey mentioned before,
[19:43] but I think that's the whole point of it
[19:45] that uh we shouldn't fight the war we
[19:47] fought 12 years ago and uh we should go
[19:50] after their weaknesses.
[19:51] >> And we are fighting this in a
[19:53] supercharged political context. After
[19:55] all, the United States is out there with
[19:57] Great Britain with a lot of people being
[19:58] very critical of the idea that the
[20:00] United States is going to war and what
[20:02] many see as a preemptive strike. Others
[20:04] going so far as to say this is the act
[20:06] of an imperial nation. So, there are
[20:08] political sensitivities that are going
[20:10] to be involved here as well. Let's let's
[20:13] go to NBC's Campbell Brown now, who is
[20:15] at the White House. Campbell, what are
[20:17] you hearing there?
[20:18] >> Tom, we are expecting, as you know, to
[20:20] hear from the president at 10:15 Eastern
[20:22] time. We expect that that address will
[20:24] be from the Oval Office. That's what
[20:26] officials had originally said is they
[20:28] have been planning this. Uh this is in a
[20:31] speech that they have been working on
[20:32] for some time now. It was described to
[20:34] us as being very similar to how the
[20:37] president addressed the nation after
[20:39] military strikes began in Afghanistan.
[20:41] You'll recall it was about noon time on
[20:43] a Sunday the strikes began. The
[20:45] president spoke to the nation about an
[20:46] hour after that. He is going to try to
[20:49] convey to the American people tonight.
[20:51] Uh first of all telling them that the
[20:52] strikes are underway what's involved,
[20:55] but also about the sacrifice involved.
[20:57] It will be the first time he's really
[20:59] talked about that at greater length than
[21:01] we heard in his original speech. Um so
[21:04] that's going to be more of a focus,
[21:05] especially given in mind what we're
[21:07] hearing from officials over and over
[21:08] again that this as opposed to
[21:10] Afghanistan is going to be a much more
[21:12] conventional war, but also a much more
[21:15] dangerous war. And uh in terms of
[21:18] casualties, now there have been a lot of
[21:20] indications that something was coming
[21:22] this evening. Um the president working
[21:24] the phones most of the afternoon to call
[21:26] world leaders to put them on notice that
[21:28] military action may be imminent. In
[21:30] addition, all the top military
[21:32] commanders were here with the president,
[21:34] Secretary Rumsfeld, General Meyers until
[21:37] late this evening. Uh Vice President
[21:39] Cheney is still here at the White House,
[21:40] remained here all evening. All of the
[21:42] key staff were uh with the president in
[21:45] the Oval Office until late in the
[21:46] evening. So, no one uh was getting any
[21:49] sense that they should be leaving work
[21:50] tonight. There was definitely a feeling
[21:52] around the White House that something
[21:53] was going on. Um I think the timing, as
[21:56] as you've heard other people say, caught
[21:58] many people by surprise because the
[21:59] expectation is always there that this
[22:01] would happen in the evening. But uh the
[22:04] president has always conveyed his
[22:06] impatience with uh the UN and with the
[22:10] lengthy process that went into disarming
[22:12] Saddam. So it follows with what the
[22:15] president has always said that the
[22:16] moment this deadline passed, he would be
[22:18] ready to take action immediately. Tom,
[22:20] >> thank you very much. NBC's Campbell
[22:22] Brown. There has been so much talk in
[22:23] this administration about the United
[22:25] States reorganizing itself to fight the
[22:27] special wars of the 21st century, the
[22:29] war on terrorism, rogue states with
[22:31] weapons of mass destruction. That
[22:33] certainly was the case in Afghanistan in
[22:35] which we saw special operations officers
[22:37] on horseback riding to battle with a
[22:40] coalition that was put together with
[22:41] millions of dollars delivered by CIA
[22:43] agents and CIA agents involved as well.
[22:46] We have been told in the past several
[22:47] days that CIA operatives at least are in
[22:50] the south of Iraq where they are
[22:53] spreading money around and encouraging
[22:55] the regular army units to lay down their
[22:57] weapons to put them in a place and to
[23:00] point them in the right direction and
[23:01] then go to their barracks and stay just
[23:03] us there. So what we're seeing here may
[23:05] be the first stages of another form of
[23:08] unexpected and unconventional warfare.
[23:11] US officials are telling NBC News
[23:13] tonight that the attacks earlier today
[23:15] are intended to flush out the Iraqi
[23:18] leadership to provide a confusing
[23:20] picture of the main attack which will
[23:22] come later possibly tomorrow and whether
[23:25] that comes uh all at once with heavier
[23:28] air attacks and ground attacks. We don't
[23:30] know for sure. Let's Here's the tape of
[23:33] what was going on in Baghdad earlier.
[23:35] You can see anti-aircraft fire modest by
[23:38] Baghdad standards really.
[23:42] and air raid sirens were sounding
[23:52] that's from Al Jazzer I believe of Arab
[23:55] television which is another
[23:58] component in this war uh the technology
[24:02] of communications is so much different
[24:04] every screen around the world probably
[24:06] tonight carrying these pictures at this
[24:10] hour. It will be the most televised
[24:12] event probably in the history of
[24:14] mankind. This war that is playing out
[24:16] live.
[24:19] Monty Migs is standing by. He um is a
[24:22] retired Army general, of course, who was
[24:24] a colonel during Operation Desert Storm,
[24:26] leading an armored assault across the
[24:28] desert sands. Uh he's standing at a map
[24:31] now and he's going to give us some
[24:32] perspective on where the American ground
[24:34] forces are and how far it is to Baghdad
[24:37] and what's critical between where they
[24:38] are now and where they need to get to.
[24:40] Monty
[24:41] >> Tom, it's 400 miles from Kuwait to
[24:44] Baghdad and you've got to go through
[24:46] some pretty rugged terrain here that's
[24:48] uh very wet. It's cross compartmented
[24:50] and it'll take some work, but our people
[24:52] know how to do it. I'm I'm intrigued by
[24:55] the combination we're seeing tonight.
[24:57] Perhaps a decapitating attack as General
[25:00] Schwarzko pointed out before people
[25:02] actually leave and go underground. And
[25:04] who knows what's happening in the
[25:06] ground. Perhaps activity to invest Baz
[25:09] Bazra or very active special forces
[25:13] activity to try to turn the political
[25:15] environment in some of these areas.
[25:17] >> And it's also worth pointing out, Monty,
[25:19] that we're only seeing live pictures of
[25:21] Baghdad. There could be a hellacious
[25:23] scene going on in the south of Iraq at
[25:25] this hour at where a lot of those air
[25:27] defense installations are located.
[25:28] Right.
[25:29] >> Well, that's absolutely right. Down in
[25:31] this area, that could be going on. I'd
[25:34] be interested to know in the pattern
[25:35] around Baghdad, how much of it's in the
[25:37] west of the city where a number of the
[25:39] command and control centers and the
[25:41] intelligence agencies are located. And
[25:44] we could be seeing ground forces
[25:46] starting to move north, but we wouldn't
[25:47] be hearing it and we wouldn't be getting
[25:49] any reports for a while.
[25:52] All right, thanks very much. NBC's uh
[25:55] Monty Migs, a retired Army general, now
[25:56] a consultant for NBC News. You'll be
[25:58] seeing a lot of him in the course of the
[26:00] next several days as well. Now, it's uh
[26:03] coming up on dawn in Baghdad. This
[26:05] defies all the conventions of warfare.
[26:08] Uh we generally fly at night. We hit
[26:10] them with everything that we've got all
[26:11] at the same time everywhere that we can.
[26:14] But this is not happening here. Now,
[26:16] gentlemen, I' I've been privileged of
[26:18] some briefings that we've been holding
[26:20] close. Obviously, one of the things that
[26:22] I was told is that they had less than 50
[26:25] targets that were so-called civilian
[26:27] sensitive, that they were very conscious
[26:29] of not having a lot of dead Iraqi
[26:32] civilians scattered across the
[26:33] battlefield. Uh, that could be a piece
[26:36] of all of this tonight as well, and that
[26:38] they were going to go after the
[26:40] leadership targets as quickly as they
[26:42] possibly could. And with this new
[26:45] targeting that they've got and the new
[26:47] ordinance that they have, they think
[26:48] that they can be much more surgical than
[26:50] they were just 12 years ago. Do you
[26:52] agree with that, Mike?
[26:52] >> Tom, I do. Uh 12 years ago, 10% only of
[26:55] our munitions were precision. Everything
[26:57] else was again what in our business we
[26:59] call dumb bombs. Uh the figures are
[27:01] exactly reversed this time. 90% of the
[27:04] munitions that the coalition will use
[27:05] against Iraq are in fact precision
[27:07] munitions. So we can pick the corner of
[27:09] a building and the floor we want to put
[27:11] in if that's what we desire to do. And
[27:13] Admiral Mcan, one of the things that we
[27:14] don't want to do is to destroy the
[27:16] infrastructure of Iraq because in a few
[27:17] days we're going to own that country.
[27:19] >> Absolutely, Tom. In military campaign
[27:21] planning, you always talk about centers
[27:22] of gravity. And I think in this case, it
[27:24] is the Iraqi leadership that is the
[27:26] center of gravity. If we could take them
[27:28] out, uh, we would have achieved major
[27:30] campaign goals.
[27:32] >> But Barry McAffrey, I know that you've
[27:34] thought about this Iraqi problem for a
[27:35] long time. The word that is always fed
[27:39] back to me when I ask where is he and
[27:40] what do you know? They say that place is
[27:42] so opaque you just can't see into it.
[27:45] >> Yeah. Well, you never know what the
[27:46] electronic warfare world is doing
[27:48] though. But Tom, one other thing I ought
[27:49] to add. Uh, one aspect of this campaign
[27:52] if it's starting at dawn would be if
[27:54] you're trying to minimize loss of life
[27:55] in the Iraqi army in the south. There's
[27:58] two entry divisions down there and a
[27:59] tank division. If we attack at night and
[28:01] you're glowing hot on our IR scopes,
[28:04] we're going to kill you. in daylight
[28:06] they they should be able to get these
[28:07] two infantry divisions in Bazra and
[28:09] Anasaria to surrender on mass. So that
[28:12] may be another aspect of a daylight
[28:14] attack. Counterintuitive. It's not what
[28:16] we do. Uh pretty pretty cunning.
[28:19] >> Um Saddam Hussein, it has to be said as
[28:22] well, is also cunning. He's a guy who
[28:24] survived for a long time.
[28:26] >> Uh do you imagine that he has stuck
[28:28] around Baghdad for the last couple of
[28:30] days? No, but you know, if they're going
[28:31] after 50 leadership targets, uh
[28:34] hopefully one of them has him in it when
[28:35] a 2,000lb bomb penetrates the top of it.
[28:38] So, I I'd be surprised if we're not
[28:40] trying to nail him tonight.
[28:42] >> One of the concerns has been we may get
[28:44] him and not know it.
[28:45] >> Yeah. Well, there ought to be an awful
[28:47] lot of back chatter of people who are
[28:49] relieved who'll say the the bad guy is
[28:51] gone. Now, we can switch
[28:53] >> dead.
[28:53] >> Yeah.
[28:54] >> Yeah. The other thing is it it occurs to
[28:57] me that we may have gotten some
[28:59] electronic information from inside the
[29:01] leadership. They've been dialing the
[29:03] cell phones. They've been talking to
[29:04] them on the internet. They've been doing
[29:05] whatever they can. And a lot of those
[29:07] people sitting around the table with him
[29:09] presiding and taking notes frantically.
[29:10] They've got to be thinking,
[29:12] >> "Why am I here?" And
[29:13] >> exactly.
[29:14] >> Also, I think, Tom, that they have
[29:16] predicted we were going to do just what
[29:17] we've been telling you we were going to
[29:19] do. And probably about 3:00 in the
[29:20] morning, Baghdad time, they all got
[29:22] together, had a drink, and said, "Well,
[29:23] they're not coming tonight." Yeah,
[29:25] that's true, too. Let's go to Peter
[29:26] Arnett, who is in Baghdad now, where the
[29:28] sun is up. Peter,
[29:31] >> while the sun is just coming up, Tom, we
[29:33] do hear distant anti-aircraft fire in
[29:36] the northwestern part of the city. It is
[29:38] some distance away, but we do hear the
[29:40] pop of that anti-aircraft fire. No large
[29:43] explosions as of yet that we can hear.
[29:46] That doesn't mean to say they're not
[29:47] happening out there. within Baghdad
[29:49] itself. A few police cars screaming
[29:52] around the streets and their sirens, but
[29:54] no, very few civilian cars yet. I do see
[29:57] a couple of photographers taking
[29:59] pictures. There is a big international
[30:01] press corp contingent here, Tom.
[30:03] Contingent here, Tom. Some were trapped
[30:05] here last night. They couldn't get out.
[30:07] But this will be a very well-covered
[30:09] battle, I assure you.
[30:10] >> Uh and and Peter, what about Iraqi
[30:14] television? Uh that is completely in the
[30:16] hands of Saddam Hussein, obviously. Are
[30:18] they transmitting anything into that
[30:20] whoop?