Face the Nation (CBS) - 2004-10-24 (partial) - 2 of 3

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[0:00] the middle class will just have to wait

[0:01] until we solve this problem. That's not

[0:03] good enough.

[0:03] >> I want to see if we can step back for a

[0:05] moment from these these specific

[0:07] close-in tactical issues and ask a

[0:09] slightly broader question. Four years

[0:11] ago, when President Bush ran against

[0:13] Vice President Gore, the outcome was

[0:15] 50/50. Now, you can argue about one poll

[0:17] or another, but boy, the country sure

[0:18] looks pretty close to 50/50 now.

[0:20] President Bush has had four years to

[0:22] make his case. Senator Kerry has had a

[0:24] full year to make his case. I want to

[0:25] start with you, Miss Cheney. How come

[0:27] the electorate is still so close to

[0:28] 50/50?

[0:29] >> You know, I think um we're dealing with

[0:31] very very important issues and we're

[0:33] dealing with high stakes issues and you

[0:35] know, they're issues of war and peace

[0:36] and uh issues of how are you going to

[0:38] have a job and how are you going to put

[0:39] food on the table and I think people

[0:41] feel very strongly about them. So, I

[0:43] don't think it's a surprise that that we

[0:45] are a nation divided. Um, but I do think

[0:47] that it's important to remember that

[0:49] folks as we get down to the final days

[0:51] here are not going to just be listening

[0:53] to what the candidates are saying, but

[0:54] they're looking very closely at the

[0:56] track record. And although Senator Kerry

[0:59] has been out there talking tough on the

[1:00] war on terror and and acting like he's a

[1:03] fiscal conservative, people are

[1:04] beginning to look at the record and say

[1:06] for 20 years he's been on the wrong side

[1:08] of every national security issue facing

[1:09] this country. He's voted 98 times to

[1:12] raise taxes on American families, on

[1:14] seniors, on gasoline. George Bush means

[1:16] what he says and says what he means. He

[1:18] came into office promising that he would

[1:20] do several things including reform our

[1:22] school system, uh, keep us safe as a

[1:24] nation, cut our taxes, and he's done all

[1:26] that.

[1:27] >> Joe, well, listen, I I I'm glad that

[1:29] we're finally at the track record. We

[1:30] just are looking at the wrong one. He

[1:32] promised to create jobs. We've lost 1.6

[1:34] million, the first president since uh

[1:36] Herbert Hoover. Uh he promised to get

[1:38] health care, the healthcare crisis under

[1:40] control. the biggest uh rise in the

[1:42] Medicare program, Medicare programs

[1:44] premiums, 56% rise in health care costs.

[1:47] He promised to become energy

[1:48] independent. Gas, the price of a gall,

[1:51] excuse me, of a barrel of oil hit $55

[1:53] last week. Uh about 70% higher than when

[1:57] he got into office. So, the track

[1:58] record's important and and we hope we

[2:00] can focus on this. John Kerry is going

[2:02] to go into this last week talking about

[2:03] what he's going to do for the future,

[2:05] what he's going to do, and how

[2:06] optimistic he is about how this great

[2:08] country will deal with our challenges.

[2:10] the president will spend the last week

[2:11] trying to scare you, trying to say there

[2:13] were wolves out there and only I had the

[2:15] secret formula uh to to to solve this.

[2:17] It's it's just not going to work. And

[2:19] that's why if you look at the

[2:20] battleground states where this is going

[2:21] to get decided, why we're running so

[2:23] strong in every single one of them.

[2:24] >> Let me ask both of you this question. Do

[2:26] you think we're going to know at the end

[2:28] of the night who won this election or do

[2:30] you think it's going to go into

[2:31] overtime? Um, we certainly hope that you

[2:34] will know and we firmly believe that

[2:37] everybody who's eligible to vote ought

[2:39] to vote and their vote ought to be

[2:40] counted. We are really troubled,

[2:42] frankly, by what we're seeing though,

[2:44] which seems to be an attempt by the the

[2:46] Carrie and Edwards folks to throw this

[2:47] nation into chaos on election day. And

[2:50] when you look at the uh brochures that

[2:51] they're handing out that instruct their

[2:53] operatives to claim that there's been

[2:55] voter fraud when there hasn't, uh when

[2:57] you look at what's happening on their

[2:58] behalf in terms of registering, you

[3:00] know, people named uh Mickey Mouse and

[3:02] Mary Poppins, it's very very troubling

[3:04] and and we think that's wrong. So we

[3:06] think that this ought to be decided on

[3:08] an up or down vote. We're beginning to

[3:09] think that perhaps Senators Carrie and

[3:11] Edwards don't think they can prevail

[3:12] that way and so they're trying to throw

[3:14] us into chaos.

[3:14] >> Quickly, what do you think the

[3:15] battleground states are going to be? I

[3:17] think that that right now you're seeing

[3:19] that we are up in uh all of the

[3:20] battleground states that we won in 2000

[3:22] and we are also up in a number of the

[3:24] blue states. I think obviously Ohio,

[3:25] Pennsylvania, Florida to watch.

[3:28] >> Mr. Lockard, quickly, do you think it'll

[3:30] be over election night?

[3:30] >> I think it'll be over election night.

[3:32] It'll be a pretty decisive victory for

[3:34] John Kerry. I think you'll see people

[3:35] moving this week. Uh I think the

[3:37] Republicans for as long as I've been in

[3:39] politics have been committed to trying

[3:41] to keep the vote as low as low as they

[3:43] can. Democrats are about expanding the

[3:45] vote. the voters.

[3:46] >> Quickly give me three three battleground

[3:47] states.

[3:48] >> Uh I think we're ahead in in Ohio, we're

[3:50] ahead in Florida, and we're ahead in

[3:52] Pennsylvania. That'll be an electoral

[3:53] victory.

[3:53] >> I got to end it there. Back in a minute.

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[5:53] >> We saved a little time here because I

[5:55] wanted to get some thoughts from a Doyle

[5:56] McManus who knows about as much about

[5:58] this campaign as anybody I know. What

[6:00] did you make of this, Doyle?

[6:01] >> Well, uh, Bob, we didn't hear a lot new

[6:03] on the issues because the time for new

[6:05] stop talk on the issues in this campaign

[6:07] is over. This is about passion now and

[6:09] that's why we saw so much passion there.

[6:11] I talked to a couple of pollsters this

[6:13] week uh uh who said that the level of

[6:16] interest in the electorate in this

[6:18] election, the level of passion already

[6:19] is higher than any in a generation. It

[6:22] may be higher than any since John F.

[6:24] Kennedy beat Richard Nixon in 1960.

[6:26] >> I I've never seen anything quite like

[6:28] it. And and if I look at these polls, it

[6:30] seems to me there's a slight trend

[6:32] toward George Bush. I'm not sure I

[6:34] believe these polls because I don't

[6:37] think we have an accurate gauge of what

[6:39] all these new voters who are signing up

[6:41] are going to do. These people all have

[6:43] cell phones. Uh these people put their

[6:45] phones on uh on, you know, put they

[6:48] screen their calls. Uh so I'm not sure

[6:50] these polls take into account what these

[6:52] younger people are going to do. What's

[6:54] your sense of that?

[6:55] >> Well, the polls try to do that, but it's

[6:57] very hard to to get a precise fix on it.

[6:59] The polls are pretty good at figuring

[7:00] out what attitudes are across the board,

[7:02] but when they switch to what they call

[7:04] likely voters, and there they're trying

[7:06] to guess who's actually going to turn

[7:07] out, that's where these polls end up all

[7:09] over the map. And and to me, that is the

[7:12] game right now. It's turnout, turnout,

[7:14] turnout. And both parties have set up uh

[7:17] enormous uh machinery to try and do

[7:19] that. We're actually seeing a return of

[7:21] old style politics that we haven't seen

[7:23] in a long time.

[7:24] >> Yeah. When people sign up at the last

[7:26] minute to vote, last minute voters, it's

[7:28] generally because they want to quote

[7:29] throw the bums out. Uh that's why they

[7:31] go to the polls. You very seldom see a

[7:33] lastm minute voter uh uh sign up to vote

[7:36] because he said, "I just want to go and

[7:38] give the guy that's in there a vote of

[7:40] support." Do you think we're seeing some

[7:42] of that now?

[7:43] >> There is some of that. You know, one of

[7:44] the oldest rules in politics when an

[7:46] incumbent is running is that people who

[7:48] are undecided are people who aren't in

[7:50] love with the guy who's still in office.

[7:52] So, if the undecided turnout, most of

[7:54] them are probably going to go for

[7:55] Carrie. The big question is how many

[7:57] turn out? How many are registered? How

[7:59] many of those registrations get

[8:00] challenged? Your question, I thought was

[8:02] very good. Is this going to be decided

[8:03] on election night? I'm increasingly

[8:05] believing it won't be.

[8:06] >> That's that's what worries me. I I

[8:09] frankly uh I just hope that whoever wins

[8:12] wins decisively this time. I think it's

[8:14] going to be very difficult for the

[8:16] country if we have to go back to the

[8:18] Supreme Court once more. I think one of

[8:20] the reasons that the country is so

[8:21] divided right now is because it was

[8:24] finally decided in in the Supreme Court.

[8:27] Uh I I just hope against hope that we

[8:30] don't wind up with one of these things.

[8:32] It's a deadlock and nobody knows what's

[8:34] going to happen. But like you, I'm I'm

[8:36] increasingly worried uh that something

[8:38] like that uh may happen. What should we

[8:40] look for now between now and and

[8:42] election day? Well, we should look for

[8:44] uh what what constituencies the

[8:47] candidates appeal to as they try and

[8:49] increase turnout. We should look for the

[8:50] Clinton factor. President Clinton is

[8:52] going to get back on the road. I think

[8:53] you're going to see him in

[8:54] African-American churches. The

[8:55] African-American turnout is very

[8:57] important for Senator Kerry. And then

[8:59] finally, we're going to have to be

[9:00] watching all of those legal challenges,

[9:02] challenges to new registered voters, uh

[9:04] all of the stuff going on on the ground

[9:05] to get turnout up or keep it down.

[9:07] >> I thought it was interesting what Joe

[9:08] Lockhart was talking about bringing all

[9:10] these animals out to campus. I suppose

[9:13] Senator Kerry has conceded the duck vote

[9:15] to somebody else. Uh

[9:16] >> I was kind of wondering they had him out

[9:18] goose hunting. They might have wished he

[9:20] had gone out and bagged a wolf.

[9:22] >> Okay. Thank you very much, Dory. Well,

[9:24] with the World Series on, we're going to

[9:26] take a look back today at 1985 and the

[9:29] strike that threatened Cincinnati Red's

[9:32] all-star Pete Rose's bid to break one of

[9:34] baseball's longest standing records.

[9:37] That is this week's 50th anniversary

[9:39] Face the Nation flashback.

[9:45] See, this is when I tell people about

[9:47] how my dad exposed me to sports.

[9:49] >> Pete Rose was trying to break the record

[9:51] for the most hits in a lifetime when he

[9:53] came on Face the Nation in 1985.

[9:56] >> If there is a strike, uh, you won't be

[9:58] able to break that record this year. Is

[9:59] this bothering you?

[10:00] >> Uh, I hope there isn't a strike. Uh, but

[10:03] if there is a strike, I hope it's the

[10:05] type of thing that makes baseball a

[10:07] better game because I worry about

[10:08] baseball. See, baseball's been very,

[10:10] very good to me for 23 years.

[10:12] >> Don't you want to break Tai Cub's

[10:14] record? I thought you very much did want

[10:16] to.

[10:17] >> I will. I'm going to uh it's just a

[10:19] matter of when uh what year maybe, what

[10:22] date, off of what pitcher, what city? Um

[10:25] you know, I'm not really worried about

[10:26] that because I'm 25 hits away. And I

[10:29] think I'm going to do that now. I don't

[10:31] know when. Uh uh I think I'm going to do

[10:33] it in August to be honest with you

[10:35] because I think we're going to be

[10:36] playing baseball. The strike lasted only

[10:38] two days and in September

[10:41] left center.

[10:42] >> Rose broke Cobb's record, but because he

[10:44] was later accused of gambling on

[10:46] baseball games, he was barred from

[10:48] baseball's Hall of Fame. Another Face

[10:51] the Nation 50th anniversary flashback.

[10:55] And I'll be back with a final word.

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