Face the Nation (CBS) - 2004-10-24 (partial) - 2 of 3
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[0:00] the middle class will just have to wait
[0:01] until we solve this problem. That's not
[0:03] good enough.
[0:03] >> I want to see if we can step back for a
[0:05] moment from these these specific
[0:07] close-in tactical issues and ask a
[0:09] slightly broader question. Four years
[0:11] ago, when President Bush ran against
[0:13] Vice President Gore, the outcome was
[0:15] 50/50. Now, you can argue about one poll
[0:17] or another, but boy, the country sure
[0:18] looks pretty close to 50/50 now.
[0:20] President Bush has had four years to
[0:22] make his case. Senator Kerry has had a
[0:24] full year to make his case. I want to
[0:25] start with you, Miss Cheney. How come
[0:27] the electorate is still so close to
[0:28] 50/50?
[0:29] >> You know, I think um we're dealing with
[0:31] very very important issues and we're
[0:33] dealing with high stakes issues and you
[0:35] know, they're issues of war and peace
[0:36] and uh issues of how are you going to
[0:38] have a job and how are you going to put
[0:39] food on the table and I think people
[0:41] feel very strongly about them. So, I
[0:43] don't think it's a surprise that that we
[0:45] are a nation divided. Um, but I do think
[0:47] that it's important to remember that
[0:49] folks as we get down to the final days
[0:51] here are not going to just be listening
[0:53] to what the candidates are saying, but
[0:54] they're looking very closely at the
[0:56] track record. And although Senator Kerry
[0:59] has been out there talking tough on the
[1:00] war on terror and and acting like he's a
[1:03] fiscal conservative, people are
[1:04] beginning to look at the record and say
[1:06] for 20 years he's been on the wrong side
[1:08] of every national security issue facing
[1:09] this country. He's voted 98 times to
[1:12] raise taxes on American families, on
[1:14] seniors, on gasoline. George Bush means
[1:16] what he says and says what he means. He
[1:18] came into office promising that he would
[1:20] do several things including reform our
[1:22] school system, uh, keep us safe as a
[1:24] nation, cut our taxes, and he's done all
[1:26] that.
[1:27] >> Joe, well, listen, I I I'm glad that
[1:29] we're finally at the track record. We
[1:30] just are looking at the wrong one. He
[1:32] promised to create jobs. We've lost 1.6
[1:34] million, the first president since uh
[1:36] Herbert Hoover. Uh he promised to get
[1:38] health care, the healthcare crisis under
[1:40] control. the biggest uh rise in the
[1:42] Medicare program, Medicare programs
[1:44] premiums, 56% rise in health care costs.
[1:47] He promised to become energy
[1:48] independent. Gas, the price of a gall,
[1:51] excuse me, of a barrel of oil hit $55
[1:53] last week. Uh about 70% higher than when
[1:57] he got into office. So, the track
[1:58] record's important and and we hope we
[2:00] can focus on this. John Kerry is going
[2:02] to go into this last week talking about
[2:03] what he's going to do for the future,
[2:05] what he's going to do, and how
[2:06] optimistic he is about how this great
[2:08] country will deal with our challenges.
[2:10] the president will spend the last week
[2:11] trying to scare you, trying to say there
[2:13] were wolves out there and only I had the
[2:15] secret formula uh to to to solve this.
[2:17] It's it's just not going to work. And
[2:19] that's why if you look at the
[2:20] battleground states where this is going
[2:21] to get decided, why we're running so
[2:23] strong in every single one of them.
[2:24] >> Let me ask both of you this question. Do
[2:26] you think we're going to know at the end
[2:28] of the night who won this election or do
[2:30] you think it's going to go into
[2:31] overtime? Um, we certainly hope that you
[2:34] will know and we firmly believe that
[2:37] everybody who's eligible to vote ought
[2:39] to vote and their vote ought to be
[2:40] counted. We are really troubled,
[2:42] frankly, by what we're seeing though,
[2:44] which seems to be an attempt by the the
[2:46] Carrie and Edwards folks to throw this
[2:47] nation into chaos on election day. And
[2:50] when you look at the uh brochures that
[2:51] they're handing out that instruct their
[2:53] operatives to claim that there's been
[2:55] voter fraud when there hasn't, uh when
[2:57] you look at what's happening on their
[2:58] behalf in terms of registering, you
[3:00] know, people named uh Mickey Mouse and
[3:02] Mary Poppins, it's very very troubling
[3:04] and and we think that's wrong. So we
[3:06] think that this ought to be decided on
[3:08] an up or down vote. We're beginning to
[3:09] think that perhaps Senators Carrie and
[3:11] Edwards don't think they can prevail
[3:12] that way and so they're trying to throw
[3:14] us into chaos.
[3:14] >> Quickly, what do you think the
[3:15] battleground states are going to be? I
[3:17] think that that right now you're seeing
[3:19] that we are up in uh all of the
[3:20] battleground states that we won in 2000
[3:22] and we are also up in a number of the
[3:24] blue states. I think obviously Ohio,
[3:25] Pennsylvania, Florida to watch.
[3:28] >> Mr. Lockard, quickly, do you think it'll
[3:30] be over election night?
[3:30] >> I think it'll be over election night.
[3:32] It'll be a pretty decisive victory for
[3:34] John Kerry. I think you'll see people
[3:35] moving this week. Uh I think the
[3:37] Republicans for as long as I've been in
[3:39] politics have been committed to trying
[3:41] to keep the vote as low as low as they
[3:43] can. Democrats are about expanding the
[3:45] vote. the voters.
[3:46] >> Quickly give me three three battleground
[3:47] states.
[3:48] >> Uh I think we're ahead in in Ohio, we're
[3:50] ahead in Florida, and we're ahead in
[3:52] Pennsylvania. That'll be an electoral
[3:53] victory.
[3:53] >> I got to end it there. Back in a minute.
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[5:53] >> We saved a little time here because I
[5:55] wanted to get some thoughts from a Doyle
[5:56] McManus who knows about as much about
[5:58] this campaign as anybody I know. What
[6:00] did you make of this, Doyle?
[6:01] >> Well, uh, Bob, we didn't hear a lot new
[6:03] on the issues because the time for new
[6:05] stop talk on the issues in this campaign
[6:07] is over. This is about passion now and
[6:09] that's why we saw so much passion there.
[6:11] I talked to a couple of pollsters this
[6:13] week uh uh who said that the level of
[6:16] interest in the electorate in this
[6:18] election, the level of passion already
[6:19] is higher than any in a generation. It
[6:22] may be higher than any since John F.
[6:24] Kennedy beat Richard Nixon in 1960.
[6:26] >> I I've never seen anything quite like
[6:28] it. And and if I look at these polls, it
[6:30] seems to me there's a slight trend
[6:32] toward George Bush. I'm not sure I
[6:34] believe these polls because I don't
[6:37] think we have an accurate gauge of what
[6:39] all these new voters who are signing up
[6:41] are going to do. These people all have
[6:43] cell phones. Uh these people put their
[6:45] phones on uh on, you know, put they
[6:48] screen their calls. Uh so I'm not sure
[6:50] these polls take into account what these
[6:52] younger people are going to do. What's
[6:54] your sense of that?
[6:55] >> Well, the polls try to do that, but it's
[6:57] very hard to to get a precise fix on it.
[6:59] The polls are pretty good at figuring
[7:00] out what attitudes are across the board,
[7:02] but when they switch to what they call
[7:04] likely voters, and there they're trying
[7:06] to guess who's actually going to turn
[7:07] out, that's where these polls end up all
[7:09] over the map. And and to me, that is the
[7:12] game right now. It's turnout, turnout,
[7:14] turnout. And both parties have set up uh
[7:17] enormous uh machinery to try and do
[7:19] that. We're actually seeing a return of
[7:21] old style politics that we haven't seen
[7:23] in a long time.
[7:24] >> Yeah. When people sign up at the last
[7:26] minute to vote, last minute voters, it's
[7:28] generally because they want to quote
[7:29] throw the bums out. Uh that's why they
[7:31] go to the polls. You very seldom see a
[7:33] lastm minute voter uh uh sign up to vote
[7:36] because he said, "I just want to go and
[7:38] give the guy that's in there a vote of
[7:40] support." Do you think we're seeing some
[7:42] of that now?
[7:43] >> There is some of that. You know, one of
[7:44] the oldest rules in politics when an
[7:46] incumbent is running is that people who
[7:48] are undecided are people who aren't in
[7:50] love with the guy who's still in office.
[7:52] So, if the undecided turnout, most of
[7:54] them are probably going to go for
[7:55] Carrie. The big question is how many
[7:57] turn out? How many are registered? How
[7:59] many of those registrations get
[8:00] challenged? Your question, I thought was
[8:02] very good. Is this going to be decided
[8:03] on election night? I'm increasingly
[8:05] believing it won't be.
[8:06] >> That's that's what worries me. I I
[8:09] frankly uh I just hope that whoever wins
[8:12] wins decisively this time. I think it's
[8:14] going to be very difficult for the
[8:16] country if we have to go back to the
[8:18] Supreme Court once more. I think one of
[8:20] the reasons that the country is so
[8:21] divided right now is because it was
[8:24] finally decided in in the Supreme Court.
[8:27] Uh I I just hope against hope that we
[8:30] don't wind up with one of these things.
[8:32] It's a deadlock and nobody knows what's
[8:34] going to happen. But like you, I'm I'm
[8:36] increasingly worried uh that something
[8:38] like that uh may happen. What should we
[8:40] look for now between now and and
[8:42] election day? Well, we should look for
[8:44] uh what what constituencies the
[8:47] candidates appeal to as they try and
[8:49] increase turnout. We should look for the
[8:50] Clinton factor. President Clinton is
[8:52] going to get back on the road. I think
[8:53] you're going to see him in
[8:54] African-American churches. The
[8:55] African-American turnout is very
[8:57] important for Senator Kerry. And then
[8:59] finally, we're going to have to be
[9:00] watching all of those legal challenges,
[9:02] challenges to new registered voters, uh
[9:04] all of the stuff going on on the ground
[9:05] to get turnout up or keep it down.
[9:07] >> I thought it was interesting what Joe
[9:08] Lockhart was talking about bringing all
[9:10] these animals out to campus. I suppose
[9:13] Senator Kerry has conceded the duck vote
[9:15] to somebody else. Uh
[9:16] >> I was kind of wondering they had him out
[9:18] goose hunting. They might have wished he
[9:20] had gone out and bagged a wolf.
[9:22] >> Okay. Thank you very much, Dory. Well,
[9:24] with the World Series on, we're going to
[9:26] take a look back today at 1985 and the
[9:29] strike that threatened Cincinnati Red's
[9:32] all-star Pete Rose's bid to break one of
[9:34] baseball's longest standing records.
[9:37] That is this week's 50th anniversary
[9:39] Face the Nation flashback.
[9:45] See, this is when I tell people about
[9:47] how my dad exposed me to sports.
[9:49] >> Pete Rose was trying to break the record
[9:51] for the most hits in a lifetime when he
[9:53] came on Face the Nation in 1985.
[9:56] >> If there is a strike, uh, you won't be
[9:58] able to break that record this year. Is
[9:59] this bothering you?
[10:00] >> Uh, I hope there isn't a strike. Uh, but
[10:03] if there is a strike, I hope it's the
[10:05] type of thing that makes baseball a
[10:07] better game because I worry about
[10:08] baseball. See, baseball's been very,
[10:10] very good to me for 23 years.
[10:12] >> Don't you want to break Tai Cub's
[10:14] record? I thought you very much did want
[10:16] to.
[10:17] >> I will. I'm going to uh it's just a
[10:19] matter of when uh what year maybe, what
[10:22] date, off of what pitcher, what city? Um
[10:25] you know, I'm not really worried about
[10:26] that because I'm 25 hits away. And I
[10:29] think I'm going to do that now. I don't
[10:31] know when. Uh uh I think I'm going to do
[10:33] it in August to be honest with you
[10:35] because I think we're going to be
[10:36] playing baseball. The strike lasted only
[10:38] two days and in September
[10:41] left center.
[10:42] >> Rose broke Cobb's record, but because he
[10:44] was later accused of gambling on
[10:46] baseball games, he was barred from
[10:48] baseball's Hall of Fame. Another Face
[10:51] the Nation 50th anniversary flashback.
[10:55] And I'll be back with a final word.
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