PBS NewsHour - 2008-10-28

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[0:10] Good evening. I'm Jim Lara. On the

[0:12] NewsHour tonight, the news of this

[0:13] Tuesday. Then the latest on the stock

[0:16] market's almost 900 point jump today.

[0:19] Three politics stories. What the

[0:21] presidential candidates said today with

[0:23] a week to go. What four newspaper

[0:25] editors said in their presidential

[0:27] endorsements. And what about the Alaska

[0:30] fallout from the Ted Stevens conviction?

[0:32] Plus, a debate about government help for

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[2:24] >> Stock markets around the world shot back

[2:26] up today. A rally on Wall Street took

[2:29] off late in the day. It came partly on

[2:31] expectations the Federal Reserve will

[2:34] cut interest rates tomorrow. The Dow

[2:36] Jones Industrial Average gained 889

[2:39] points to close at 9065, up 11%. The

[2:43] Nasdaq rose 143 points to close at 1649,

[2:48] a gain of nearly 10%. Elsewhere, the

[2:50] benchmark index in Hong Kong gained more

[2:53] than 14%. That helped set the tone on

[2:56] markets across Europe.

[3:01] The expectations have got a lot better

[3:03] than in the last few days because of the

[3:05] good numbers from Japan and Asia in

[3:07] general where through an intervention of

[3:09] the central bank the yen went a little

[3:11] bit lower and that hopefully will have a

[3:13] stabilizing effect on the economy. The

[3:15] rebound in stocks defied the latest

[3:17] economic news. The Conference Board, a

[3:20] private research group, reported US

[3:22] consumer confidence sank in September to

[3:25] its lowest mark in 41 years. And

[3:27] Whirlpool, the nation's largest home

[3:29] appliance maker, announced it's cutting

[3:32] 5,000 jobs worldwide by the end of next

[3:35] year. That's nearly 7% of its workforce.

[3:39] Talk of a federal rescue for General

[3:40] Motors and Chrysler intensified today.

[3:43] It was widely reported the Treasury is

[3:45] considering a package of up to 10

[3:47] billion. That funding would enable GM to

[3:51] buy Chrysler. At the White House,

[3:53] spokeswoman Dana Parino would not

[3:54] confirm any details. We'll have more on

[3:57] this story later in the program tonight.

[4:00] This was one week to go day in the

[4:01] presidential campaign and the candidates

[4:03] were out in force for a final push. A

[4:06] handful of critical states got most of

[4:08] the attention. The two campaigns started

[4:10] the day in Pennsylvania where polls

[4:12] showed Democrat Barack Obama leading

[4:14] Republican John McCain. Later, McCain

[4:17] moved on to North Carolina and Obama

[4:20] headed to Virginia. He's been making

[4:22] headway in both those states as well.

[4:25] McCain vowed today he will never give

[4:26] up. Obama called for his supporters not

[4:29] to relax. We'll have more on the

[4:31] campaign right after this news summary.

[4:33] Senators McCain and Obama called today

[4:36] for Ted Stevens to resign. The Alaska

[4:38] Republican was convicted yesterday of

[4:41] violating federal ethics laws. In a

[4:43] statement, McCain said Senator Stevens

[4:46] has broken his trust with the people and

[4:48] he should now step down. Alaska Governor

[4:51] Sarah Palin, the Republican vice

[4:53] presidential nominee, also urged Stevens

[4:56] to quit. We'll have more on this story

[4:58] later in the program tonight. There were

[5:00] growing signs today the US and

[5:02] Afghanistan may hold talks with some

[5:04] elements of the Taliban. The Wall Street

[5:07] Journal reported top White House and US

[5:09] military officials are weighing that

[5:11] option in a bid to stabilize

[5:13] Afghanistan. State Department spokesman

[5:16] Robert Wood said the idea is part of an

[5:18] ongoing review.

[5:20] >> You've got to try to bring together the

[5:22] various elements um in addition to

[5:24] military, political, economic, social

[5:26] and try to sort of mesh them into a

[5:29] cohesive strategy. And that's something

[5:31] that we want to try to you know to do

[5:33] better in Afghanistan. And um what's

[5:36] really important here is that the

[5:37] Afghans come together and reconcile

[5:41] >> separately. Political and tribal leaders

[5:43] from Afghanistan and Pakistan agreed

[5:46] today to open a dialogue with the

[5:47] Taliban. The governor of a key border

[5:50] region in Pakistan said the time is

[5:52] right. We also feel that certain uh

[5:56] things have happened in the meantime

[5:57] which have made uh uh uh uh our effort

[6:01] perhaps uh more relevant and more

[6:04] promising because we are hearing of uh

[6:06] other uh countries also talking about

[6:10] the need for uh dialogue for peace and

[6:12] reconciliation.

[6:13] >> The Taliban quickly rejected the idea. A

[6:16] spokesman argued any talk would be

[6:18] worthless as long as foreign forces

[6:20] remain in Afghanistan.

[6:23] The government of Iraq today condemned a

[6:25] US raid inside Syria. American officials

[6:28] said a leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq was

[6:31] killed in the helicopter assault on

[6:33] Sunday. An Iraqi spokesman said the

[6:36] constitution does not allow Iraq to be

[6:38] used as a staging ground to attack

[6:41] neighboring countries. The Syrians

[6:43] insisted eight civilians died in the

[6:45] raid. They ordered an American school

[6:47] and cultural center in Damascus to

[6:50] close. The Iraqi cabinet formally moved

[6:53] today to reopen talks on a long-term

[6:55] security deal with the US. The Iraqis

[6:57] are seeking new unspecified amendments.

[7:01] US officials said they have not seen

[7:03] those proposals, so it's too early to

[7:05] say what might happen. A UN mandate

[7:08] authorizing US troops in Iraq expires at

[7:11] the end of this year. Boeing and its

[7:14] largest union agreed to a tentative

[7:16] contract last night. It could end a

[7:18] strike by the machinist union that

[7:21] lasted nearly 2 months. The agreement

[7:23] includes a 15% raise over four years.

[7:26] It's subject to ratification by some

[7:29] 27,000 workers at plants around Seattle.

[7:32] Last night, they reacted cautiously. No,

[7:35] I tell everybody to read the fine print

[7:37] in the contract. I've voted against the

[7:39] union's recommendations in the past. So,

[7:41] uh, I'm really looking forward to having

[7:44] a good contract this time.

[7:45] >> That's about the future. You know, it's

[7:47] maybe not affected people like me are

[7:49] getting, you know, close to retirement,

[7:51] but our kids and and the new people

[7:53] coming on board here, you know, that's

[7:55] something that's concern concerns them.

[7:58] >> Industry experts have estimated the

[8:00] strike cost Boing about $100 million a

[8:03] day. The Christian Science Monitor

[8:06] announced today it will stop printing a

[8:08] daily edition and publish online

[8:10] instead. It's the first national US

[8:13] newspaper to make that move amid

[8:15] declining readership and ad revenues.

[8:18] The company will continue to print a

[8:20] weekend edition. And that's it for the

[8:22] news summary tonight. Now, Wall Street's

[8:24] big jump. The candidates begin their

[8:27] last week. Presidential endorsements,

[8:30] Stevens of Alaska, and help for the big

[8:32] three.

[8:41] The Dow Jones Industrial Average did

[8:43] close up a whopping 889 points today.

[8:47] The question is why? And we pose it to

[8:49] Jim Ellis, the assistant managing editor

[8:51] of Business Week magazine in New York.

[8:54] Jim Ellis, welcome.

[8:56] >> Thanks, Jim.

[8:57] >> What happened, Jim? That's That was

[8:59] unexpected. What happened?

[9:00] >> It was unexpected. I mean, there was a

[9:03] confluence of sort of good news. First

[9:05] of all, a lot of investors woke up after

[9:07] the weekend and figured out that there's

[9:09] real value in this market. I mean,

[9:11] Warren Buffett's been saying it for a

[9:12] couple of weeks, but people are looking

[9:14] at the value. The way we value markets

[9:16] is what times earnings are are stocks

[9:19] selling at right now. It's about less

[9:22] than half of what it was last October.

[9:24] So, people were saying that they could

[9:25] pick up stocks like Alcoa for less than

[9:28] five times earnings. the entire market

[9:30] is selling for less than 11 times

[9:32] earnings. It would have been closer to

[9:34] 25 or 30 just a year ago. So that was

[9:37] one reason. The second reason was that

[9:39] people are finally convinced that

[9:41] international uh central banks are

[9:44] really serious about putting a floor

[9:46] under the banking business. That's a

[9:48] good thing. It means that you know the

[9:49] financial system won't totally collapse.

[9:52] And then lastly, we're seeing some real

[9:54] hope now that interest rates for credit

[9:57] are actually starting to come down.

[9:59] Banks are more willing to lend to one

[10:01] another and um in the LIBORE rate and

[10:04] the rate that banks use to lend to one

[10:06] another in London is coming down. And

[10:08] this morning, both the Bank of England

[10:10] and the Swiss National Bank offered $20

[10:12] billion to their own banks to prop them

[10:15] up. Only 10 billion was requested. That

[10:17] means that banks are finally finding

[10:19] other ways, market ways to support

[10:21] themselves rather than having to go out

[10:23] and, you know, basically put their hand

[10:24] out for the Federal Treasury.

[10:26] >> And the Federal Reserve here in the

[10:27] United States is supposed to is expected

[10:29] to lower interest rates again tomorrow.

[10:31] Correct.

[10:32] >> Right. I mean, the big question now is

[10:34] not whether it's going to happen, but

[10:35] it's how much. In other words, will the

[10:37] Fed go down a a half point, which most

[10:40] people expect, though? Um, in the

[10:42] financial futures markets, there's a 40%

[10:44] bet now that the uh Fed might actually

[10:46] drop threequarters of a point. That's

[10:48] unprecedented. And it also is going to

[10:51] it might put us down below 1% interest,

[10:54] which is amazing.

[10:55] >> Yeah. Now, back to the uh the first

[10:57] reason you gave that people were buying.

[10:59] They were they they see bargains. Is

[11:01] that what they're doing?

[11:02] >> That's it. I mean, basically um value

[11:05] investors are people who believe you you

[11:07] know, you you only buy stocks when they

[11:09] are selling cheaply. As long as you

[11:11] think the stock will continue to stay in

[11:13] business, that the company stays in

[11:14] business, then you buy when others don't

[11:16] want to buy, that's what's made Warren

[11:18] Buffett rich. And a lot of people are

[11:20] saying these are too cheap to actually

[11:22] pass up.

[11:23] >> Should this be seen then as a one-day

[11:25] wonder, Jim, or and it'll go back down

[11:27] again tomorrow, or is it possible to

[11:29] even speculate?

[11:31] >> It's very difficult to talk about, you

[11:33] know, are we at a bottom? I mean, trying

[11:35] to pick a market bottom is like trying

[11:37] to catch a falling knife. It's not the

[11:40] kind of thing that most people want to

[11:41] willingly do. However, we've seen the

[11:44] market come down a lot in the past year.

[11:47] We've lost about uh here in the US, we

[11:50] probably lost about 12 trillion

[11:54] in market value just since last October.

[11:57] Globally, stocks have come down more

[11:59] than $24 trillion. There's you're a lot

[12:03] closer to a bottom today than you would

[12:04] have been a few weeks ago. The other

[12:07] thing is that market bottoms are

[12:08] normally marked by a lot of volatility

[12:11] as we're seeing now and a lot of people

[12:14] saying that the worst is you know that

[12:16] that the world is over. We saw that with

[12:18] the confidence numbers earlier today

[12:20] that said people have never been this

[12:22] worried about the economy. Those are

[12:24] usually marks that we are approaching a

[12:26] bottom

[12:27] >> and that usually when that that kind of

[12:29] figure comes out that usually affects

[12:31] the market negatively rather than

[12:33] positively does it not? Well, but in

[12:35] this case, a lot of people are thinking

[12:37] that there's a not a lot of reason to go

[12:40] down any further, and they're also

[12:42] becoming more and more convinced that uh

[12:44] a lot of money that's been sitting on

[12:46] the sidelines too frightened to invest

[12:48] is going to come flooding back in. A lot

[12:50] of people in the financial markets make

[12:52] money only when they're investing.

[12:55] They're not making money on just holding

[12:56] cash. And so, a lot of uh investment

[12:59] funds, a lot of hedge funds want to come

[13:01] back in. They're just waiting for what

[13:03] they consider to be the the a lower mark

[13:06] in the market.

[13:07] >> And this could have been that day,

[13:09] right? We don't know yet.

[13:10] >> Well, I think it might be

[13:12] >> it's dangerous to say that this is the

[13:14] day, but I have a feeling that if we

[13:16] could maintain this for another couple

[13:18] of weeks and let the volatility drop,

[13:20] the intraday trading volatility, then

[13:23] people will feel safe about coming back

[13:24] into the markets.

[13:25] >> Okay, Jim Ellis, thank you as always for

[13:27] your for your information and insight.

[13:40] And now with a week to go, what the

[13:42] candidates said today. Gwen Eiffel has

[13:44] our presidential campaign report.

[13:47] >> Hatless and shunning an umbrella in the

[13:49] steady rain. Barack Obama appealed to

[13:52] thousands of drench supporters to stick

[13:54] with him for the campaign's final week.

[13:57] >> This is an unbelievable crowd for this

[13:59] kind of weather.

[14:01] Thank you so much.

[14:09] >> And and I just want all of you to know

[14:11] that if we are if we see this kind of

[14:15] dedication on election day, there is no

[14:18] way that we're not going to bring change

[14:20] to America.

[14:21] >> Appearing in Chester, Pennsylvania as

[14:23] part of a final tour of battleground

[14:25] states, Obama recalled another inmperate

[14:29] campaign day. You know, we began this

[14:31] journey on a day that was actually a

[14:33] little worse than today. It was 7°

[14:35] outside.

[14:37] 22 months ago on the steps of the old

[14:40] state capital in Springfield, Illinois.

[14:42] And back then, we didn't have much money

[14:44] and we didn't have many endorsements.

[14:47] We weren't given much of a chance in the

[14:48] polls or by the pundits. We knew how

[14:52] steep this climb was going to be. But I

[14:55] also knew this. I knew that the size of

[14:58] our challenges had outgrown the

[15:00] smallalness of our politics. I believed

[15:03] the Democrats and Republicans and

[15:05] Americans of every political stripe,

[15:07] they were hungry. They were desperate

[15:09] for new ideas and new leadership and a

[15:12] new kind of politics.

[15:14] One that favors common sense over

[15:17] ideology. One that focuses on those

[15:20] values and ideals that we hold in common

[15:23] as Americans. And 21 months later,

[15:27] my faith in the American people has been

[15:29] vindicated.

[15:31] That's how we've come so far, so close,

[15:33] because of you. That's how we're going

[15:36] to change this country, because of you.

[15:39] And that's why in this last week, we

[15:41] cannot afford to slow down or to sit

[15:45] back or to let up. Whether it's rain or

[15:48] sleep or snow, we are going to go out

[15:52] and we are going to vote because it's

[15:54] too much at stake.

[15:56] >> As part of his closing argument, Obama

[15:58] is also devoting time to defending his

[16:00] tax plan, one that John McCain has

[16:03] criticized as wealth redistribution.

[16:06] >> If you make less than a4 million a year,

[16:08] how many make How many make less than a4

[16:10] million a year? Raise your hand.

[16:13] Actually,

[16:16] actually, it's just about everybody

[16:17] here, but you want to keep your hands in

[16:19] your pocket. It's too cold.

[16:23] >> If you make less than a4 million a year,

[16:26] and that includes, by the way, 98% of

[16:29] small businesses and 99.9% of plumbers,

[16:34] you will not see your taxes increase one

[16:37] single dime. Not your payroll tax, not

[16:40] your capital gains tax, not your income

[16:42] tax. No tax. Because the last thing you

[16:44] need is higher taxes when we're in a

[16:46] recession like this. And you won't get

[16:48] one under an Obama administration.

[16:54] Let me tell you, in the end, the choice

[16:56] isn't between tax cuts or no tax cuts.

[17:00] Both John McCain and I want to give tax

[17:01] cuts. The question is who we're going to

[17:03] give it to. Whether you believe we

[17:05] should just reward wealth or whether we

[17:08] should also reward work and the workers

[17:10] who create wealth. It's about whether

[17:12] you believe in an America where

[17:14] opportunity and success is open to all

[17:17] people and not just some people.

[17:19] Everybody who's willing to work for it.

[17:21] And that's the kind of America that I

[17:23] want to build when I'm president of the

[17:24] United States of America.

[17:27] Obama's running mate Joe Biden found

[17:30] sunnier weather in Okala, Florida, where

[17:32] he stressed the importance of

[17:34] strengthening the middle class.

[17:36] >> Barack Obama and I recognize that when

[17:38] the American middle class does well, the

[17:41] rich do just fine and the poor do

[17:43] better. Everyone is better off.

[17:47] And so we WANT TO REBUILD THE MIDDLE

[17:48] CLASS. AND HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DO. CUT

[17:51] TAXES FOR WORKING PEOPLE. CUT TAXES FOR

[17:54] SMALL BUSINESSES. ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE,

[17:57] AND LAY OUT A CLEAR PLAN TO END OUR

[18:00] DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.

[18:05] INVEST IN REBUILDING AMERICA, its roads,

[18:08] its bridges, ITS WATER SYSTEMS, CREATING

[18:10] RIGHT HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OVER

[18:13] THAT PERIOD 121,000 NEW HIGHPAYING JOBS.

[18:19] Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin

[18:22] focused their combined firepower on

[18:25] Hershey, Pennsylvania in the heart of a

[18:27] state McCain has pledged to win.

[18:29] >> It's wonderful to be back in

[18:31] Pennsylvania and it's wonderful to fool

[18:34] the pundits cuz we're going to win the

[18:36] state of Pennsylvania, my friends. We're

[18:38] going to win it on November 4th. You're

[18:41] going to get out the vote and we're

[18:42] going to win.

[18:44] >> Both McCain and Palin took aim at the

[18:46] Obama tax plan. Now, you have to really

[18:49] listen to our opponent's words through

[18:51] all of this. Listen to what he's saying

[18:52] because now he had been hiding behind

[18:56] his real agenda of redistributing your

[18:59] hard-earned money.

[19:04] He says that he's for a tax credit,

[19:06] which is when government takes more of

[19:08] your money and gives it away to someone

[19:11] else according to a politician's

[19:12] priorities. Now,

[19:16] that's as opposed to John McCain who is

[19:20] for a real tax cut, which means when

[19:22] government takes less of your earnings

[19:25] in the first place.

[19:28] You know, after months of campaign trail

[19:30] eloquence, we finally learned what

[19:32] Senator Obama's economic goal is to

[19:35] spread the wealth. In a radio interview,

[19:38] he revealed this week he said the same

[19:40] thing that one of the quote tragedies of

[19:43] the civil rights movement is that it

[19:45] didn't bring about redistributive

[19:48] change. Can you imagine?

[19:52] >> You see, Senator Obama believes in

[19:55] redistributing wealth, not in policies

[19:57] that grow our economy and create jobs.

[20:00] He said that even even though lower

[20:03] taxes on investment helped our economy,

[20:06] he favors higher taxes on investment for

[20:09] quote fairness. There's nothing fair

[20:13] about driving our economy into the

[20:15] ground. We all suffer when that happens.

[20:19] And that's the problem with Senator

[20:21] Obama's approach to our economy. He's

[20:23] more interested in controlling wealth

[20:26] than creating it.

[20:31] in redistributing money instead of

[20:34] spreading opportunity.

[20:36] I'm going to create wealth for all

[20:38] Americans by creating opportunity for

[20:40] all Americans.

[20:43] Senator Obama is running to be

[20:45] redistributionist and chief. I'm running

[20:47] to be commanderin-chief.

[20:51] Senator Obama is running to spread the

[20:53] wealth. I'm running to create wealth.

[20:59] Senator Obama is running to punish the

[21:01] successful. I'm running to make everyone

[21:04] successful.

[21:07] >> McCain also accused Obama of taking a

[21:09] victory lap before the election is

[21:12] decided, mocking the Democrat's plan to

[21:14] deliver a prime time national address

[21:16] tomorrow night. Now, my friends, let me

[21:18] give you the state of the race today.

[21:20] There's one week to go. We're a few

[21:22] points down. The pundits wrote us off as

[21:25] they have several times before. My

[21:28] opponent is out working out the details

[21:31] with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid on

[21:34] their plans

[21:36] to raise your taxes.

[21:39] Raise your taxes. Increase spending and

[21:42] concede defeat in Iraq. He's measuring

[21:44] the drapes and he's planned his first

[21:46] address to the nation before the

[21:49] election. By the way, no one will delay

[21:52] the World Series game with an

[21:53] infomercial when I'm president.

[22:10] I guess I'm old-fashioned about these

[22:12] things. I prefer to let the voters weigh

[22:15] in before presuming the outcome.

[22:20] The GOP ticket cancelled another

[22:22] afternoon appearance in Pennsylvania

[22:24] because of the inclement weather. McCain

[22:26] said he has come from behind before,

[22:29] even when popular opinion appear to turn

[22:31] against him. According to editor and

[22:33] publisher on News Industry magazine,

[22:35] Obama has been endorsed by 222

[22:38] newspapers, McCain by 93. At least 43 of

[22:42] those publications endorsed President

[22:44] Bush in 2004.

[22:46] And speaking of newspaper endorsements,

[22:49] here is Judy Woodruff.

[22:51] >> Joining me now are four editorial page

[22:53] editors to discuss their newspapers

[22:55] presidential endorsements. Backing John

[22:58] McCain are Robert KD from the San Diego

[23:01] Union Tribune and Bob Rener from the

[23:03] Richmond Times Dispatch. And backing

[23:06] Obama are JR Labby from the Fort Worth

[23:09] Star Telegram and Harold Jackson from

[23:12] the Philadelphia Inquirer. Thank you all

[23:14] four of you for being with us. Robert

[23:16] KD, I'm going to start with you, the San

[23:17] Diego Union Tribune. You endorsed John

[23:20] McCain. Why?

[23:22] >> Well, we based our endorsement, Judy,

[23:24] primarily on the economic policies that

[23:26] two the two candidates espouse. And

[23:28] frankly, we think that McCain's emphasis

[23:30] on tax cuts and on controlling spending

[23:34] are what are needed to get the economy

[23:36] moving again. And we are troubled by the

[23:38] tax increases that Barack Obama has

[23:40] advocated. He wants to increase the

[23:42] capital gains tax which is particularly

[23:44] hurtful to the to businesses and to job

[23:46] growth and and his general emphasis on

[23:49] uh taxing the wealthy to redistribute

[23:51] wealth. Uh we I think the emphasis ought

[23:54] to be on spurring the economy broadly to

[23:57] generate more wealth across the board.

[23:59] So it was really on the economic issues

[24:00] that we based our endorsement. Now, Jr.

[24:03] Labby, Fort Worth Star Telegram. My you

[24:06] were one of what 43 newspapers so far

[24:09] around the country that endorsed George

[24:11] W. Bush in 2004, but have gone to the

[24:14] Democrat this year. Why?

[24:17] >> It wasn't an easy decision, Judy, but we

[24:20] approached this recommendation by

[24:22] looking at five areas that the newspaper

[24:24] had historically weighed in on. issues

[24:27] like the economy, energy, tax policy,

[24:31] health care, immigration, entitlements,

[24:34] and by looking at both men's policy

[24:37] stands, we felt that Obama's closely

[24:40] more closely tracked where he we had

[24:42] been on those issues. Beyond that, we

[24:46] felt very strongly that McCain may have

[24:48] made a short-term tactical

[24:52] um stroke with his selection of Sarah

[24:55] Palin, but strategically long-term, we

[24:57] believe that that was a mistake. Um her

[25:00] sell by date came and went fairly

[25:03] quickly for us. While it energized the

[25:06] Republican base to get the voters out

[25:08] that they need, we really didn't think

[25:10] she had the readiness to be the number

[25:13] two in this nation should something

[25:15] happened to the commanderin-chief. And

[25:17] that was important to us, but it was not

[25:19] an easy decision in a county that is the

[25:23] reddest of the red in Texas and second

[25:25] only to Orange County in its

[25:27] Republicanism.

[25:29] >> Well, I want to come back to some of

[25:30] those points you made, but let me turn

[25:31] now to Bob Rener from the Richmond

[25:33] Virginia Times Dispatch. Uh, another

[25:36] endorsement for John McCain. Tell us

[25:38] why.

[25:40] >> Uh, as with the San Diego ego paper, uh,

[25:43] Judy, we were concerned about uh, some

[25:45] of Obama's economic policies. We

[25:48] mentioned that in the Great Depression,

[25:50] which followed a uh, a financial panic

[25:53] similar to the one we're seeing today.

[25:55] Uh, two of the big mistakes in economic

[25:57] policy were raising taxes and uh,

[26:00] restricting trade. And uh Obama has made

[26:03] clear that he's going to uh increase

[26:06] taxes on capital on on businesses. We

[26:09] don't think that's wise. He's been uh

[26:11] all over the place on trade. So that

[26:12] worries us. But another theme uh that we

[26:16] hit was that we believe that uh McCain

[26:18] is simply superior in terms of judgment

[26:20] experience on foreign policy and

[26:23] military affairs. Uh and we we still

[26:25] believe this is a dangerous world. We

[26:28] mentioned in the uh editorial that we're

[26:31] a little concerned that one of the

[26:32] dangers is that the the people of the

[26:34] United States are uh are not so

[26:37] convinced that this is a dangerous world

[26:39] anymore. So uh we believe that McCain is

[26:42] head and shoulder superior to Obama in

[26:44] terms of experience. Uh you know Obama

[26:47] has talked about uh Biden helping him on

[26:49] foreign affairs and from the comments

[26:50] we've seen from Joe Biden recently uh it

[26:54] doesn't seem like he's going to be much

[26:55] help in that department. All right.

[26:57] Well, let's uh and again, I want to come

[26:58] back to some of those points, but Harold

[27:00] uh Jackson, to you next, the

[27:01] Philadelphia Inquirer. Uh why Barack

[27:04] Obama?

[27:06] >> Well, we did a similar thing in looking

[27:08] at the uh candidates records in a series

[27:10] of editorials that we did in the two

[27:12] months prior to our endorsement. And uh

[27:15] on each one of those issues, uh Barack

[27:17] Obama was the superior person. He was

[27:20] most closely aligned to the positions

[27:22] that we had taken. Uh the bottom line

[27:24] for us is that uh we felt that there

[27:26] were two real uh criteria to look at

[27:29] here and uh the most important one being

[27:32] leadership but hope also was one that we

[27:35] looked at and we said in the end that uh

[27:37] hope when properly directed yields

[27:40] positive results and uh we feel that

[27:42] Barack Obama was the best person for

[27:44] America at this time when it's looking

[27:46] for hope.

[27:47] >> Bob Kendall I want to come back to you

[27:49] uh in San Diego. You said that the

[27:51] economy that the position their

[27:53] positions on the economy were the main

[27:55] factors in your decision. Was this

[27:57] mostly a pro-J McCain argument or an

[28:00] anti- Barack Obama argument in your

[28:03] >> Well, that that that's a good question,

[28:05] Judy, and I think it was pretty much

[28:06] even on both sides. I mean, we we had as

[28:09] many concerns about Barack Obama as we

[28:12] had favorable things to say about John

[28:14] McCain. So, uh, it's that's it's hard to

[28:18] get into everyone's heads and we we had

[28:20] a very spirited debate on our editorial

[28:21] board. It wasn't a unanimous, uh, point

[28:23] of view among our editorial writers,

[28:25] but, uh, in general, I think the the

[28:28] general expectation was that McCain also

[28:31] brought more leadership to the position

[28:32] and that while, uh, Barack Obama has

[28:35] demonstrated great, uh, uh, a great

[28:37] articulate way of uh, describing the

[28:39] issues, he's knowledgeable about the

[28:41] issues, but he really is untested. So,

[28:44] uh, that's a bit of a gamble. And with

[28:45] McCain, as we stressed in the editorial,

[28:47] he has been tested and we don't have

[28:49] have the same kinds of concerns that we

[28:51] would have with Barack Obama in terms of

[28:53] experience.

[28:54] >> Now, Bob KD, some of the others have

[28:56] mentioned the vice presidential choice.

[28:58] How much of a factor was that for you?

[29:00] >> Well, I think it was a negative factor

[29:02] quite frankly. Uh, not a huge one, not a

[29:05] decisive one, but uh, Sarah Palin's

[29:08] negative negative negative in in terms

[29:10] of John McCain's judgment. that is Sarah

[29:12] Palin. Uh, frankly, I I think most

[29:15] members of our editorial board would

[29:16] question whether she's ready to step

[29:18] into the Oval Office. And so, as I said,

[29:21] it wasn't a decisive factor, but it was

[29:22] a negative factor for John McCain in the

[29:25] minds of our editorial board.

[29:27] >> Jr. Labby, back to you in uh in Fort

[29:30] Worth. Let me ask you the same question.

[29:32] How much of this was pro- Barack Obama

[29:34] and how much of it was a was a concern

[29:37] or an argument against John McCain?

[29:40] I would say that the pro- Obama

[29:42] outweighed the negative McCain, but we

[29:45] certainly looked at issues that um that

[29:49] we are concerned about with Obama's

[29:51] policy. Texas is a very strong right to

[29:54] work state. Free trade is extremely

[29:56] important to us. We are right clonked

[29:58] down in the middle of the NAFTA

[30:00] superighway. So NAFTA is important. That

[30:03] is a concern of ours when it comes to

[30:05] looking at Obama's stated platforms

[30:07] about free trade. But we believed in

[30:10] looking at the overall policies and like

[30:13] Harold said, there is that issue of

[30:16] hope, that ability to energize

[30:20] ethnicities, gender, race, and youth

[30:23] that have never been engaged before in

[30:25] the political process. We don't believe

[30:28] that that can be diminished. And that

[30:30] young vote is going to be particularly

[30:32] important because they don't see black

[30:35] and white. They don't see the sort of

[30:37] socialism mantra that keeps being hyped

[30:40] by the Republicans as something to fear

[30:43] in Obama. They don't see it that way. So

[30:46] that young vote is going to make a

[30:48] tremendous difference in this election.

[30:50] Senator McCain is a war hero. He served

[30:54] his country noly. But from a North Texas

[30:57] perspective, he has been no friend to

[31:00] our local defense industry and some of

[31:02] the programs he's been against. And his

[31:05] work on the campaign finance bill sat

[31:08] uneasy with some of our people who

[31:11] believe that free speech is manifested

[31:14] in how one gives their money to support

[31:18] candidates. So there was reason for

[31:20] people in our area not to like McCain.

[31:23] Bob Rener, I want to get at try to get

[31:25] at this question of how much was this

[31:27] for McCain and and against Obama, but

[31:30] what about the factor that we just heard

[31:32] JR Lavy mention this whole notion of

[31:34] generational change and hope? Did that

[31:37] factor into your discussion?

[31:39] >> Well, we mentioned that in our

[31:41] editorial. I mean, and we praised Obama

[31:43] for his uh temperament and we we praised

[31:45] him for the historical nature of the

[31:47] campaign and how much excitement he's

[31:48] generated. Uh but our editorial was

[31:52] primarily a pro- McCain editorial. Uh we

[31:55] did criticize Obama on some policy

[31:57] points, some specific things that

[31:59] bothered us. Uh the fact that he was

[32:02] very slow, very reluctant to admit that

[32:04] the surge in Iraq worked. uh we're uh

[32:08] distressed by his support of the union

[32:10] check card uh bill and uh we were uh

[32:15] equally u concerned that he simply

[32:20] doesn't have a whole lot of experience

[32:21] in foreign affairs. So we have some

[32:24] concerns about Obama. We we didn't

[32:26] question his character. Uh but the the

[32:29] focus of the uh the editorial was on

[32:32] McCain's strengths both in policy

[32:34] particularly economic and foreign

[32:36] affairs uh but also his judgment. We I

[32:39] we think he's demonstrated judgment and

[32:42] frankly political courage from time to

[32:44] time not only with supporting the surge

[32:46] long before it was popular. Uh he's uh

[32:50] frequently gone against his own party

[32:52] when it's not always been in his best

[32:54] interest. Let me let me

[32:56] >> I was just going to say let me step in

[32:58] here because I I want to come back to

[33:00] all four of you on another question. But

[33:02] Harold Jackson, let me come to you on

[33:03] this question of how much for Obama. You

[33:06] you mentioned the the uh the two factors

[33:09] you mentioned were leadership and hope.

[33:12] How much of what you discussed was of

[33:15] were negatives where John McCain is

[33:17] concerned and how much disagreement was

[33:19] there on your editorial board? Well, we

[33:22] never discussed the uh internal workings

[33:24] of the editorial board. There was

[33:25] dissent. In fact, we did something very

[33:28] different, unheard of for our paper. Uh

[33:30] we actually ran in addition to running

[33:32] the uh endorsement editorial, we ran a

[33:35] short descent by uh that was written by

[33:37] the members of the board who desented.

[33:39] But our editorial, our main editorial

[33:41] was about uh Barack Obama. it it listed

[33:44] his positives on a number of issues

[33:47] about six or seven issues that we

[33:49] thought were important to Americans.

[33:51] Now, we did discuss John McCain and what

[33:53] we said about John McCain is that there

[33:54] were some troubling aspects about his

[33:56] candidacy and very clearly the Sarah

[33:59] Palin uh selection as vice presidential

[34:02] candidate was troubling to us. It

[34:04] smacked a pandering to uh certain

[34:06] elements of the electorate and uh you

[34:09] know it was troubling. It sounded it

[34:11] seemed to be something in which uh John

[34:13] McCain was again throwing a hail Mary

[34:15] trying for something and uh je possibly

[34:18] jeopardizing his campaign in the process

[34:20] and you have to wonder if he would be

[34:22] that type of president who would take

[34:23] that type of chance and perhaps

[34:25] jeopardize the nation.

[34:26] >> Let me just come back to all four of you

[34:28] very quickly and ask you what reaction

[34:30] you're getting. Bob KD to you uh first

[34:32] in San Diego. What sort of reaction have

[34:34] you gotten from your readers?

[34:36] >> Well, the readers are on both sides of

[34:38] the issue. Uh San Diego is a uh a red

[34:41] county. Um but uh I I would say most of

[34:46] the letters that we've received have

[34:47] argued for Obama because I think readers

[34:50] tend to write when they when they object

[34:52] to an editorial. You don't get as many

[34:54] letters saying uh we agreed with the

[34:55] editorial. So we've certainly aired a

[34:57] number of letters from people who say,

[35:00] "Well, you also endorsed George W. Bush,

[35:02] so your endorsement doesn't mean much to

[35:04] us four years later and we're going with

[35:06] Obama." So it's it's actually It it

[35:08] started a good debate.

[35:10] >> I'm going to quickly turn to J.R. Labby.

[35:12] I want to get to all three of you in a

[35:13] minute.

[35:15] >> Yesterday, Judy,

[35:16] >> go ahead.

[35:16] >> It was quiet too quiet yesterday. I was

[35:20] surprised at the lack of immediate

[35:22] reaction to the endorsement. Since then,

[35:24] we have like Bob has had in San Diego.

[35:26] You hear from the people who don't agree

[35:28] with your recommendation. And as of noon

[35:31] today, we had about 170 readers who had

[35:34] cancelled their subscriptions, including

[35:37] the Tarant County Republican Party

[35:39] headquarters, which cancelled its paper.

[35:42] They'll be back, but they are sending us

[35:44] a message.

[35:45] >> And Bob, very quickly, Bob Rener and

[35:48] Richmond reaction from the readers.

[35:50] >> Uh, we didn't have a quiet day. We heard

[35:52] from a lot of our readers. A lot were

[35:54] were thrilled that we uh endorsed

[35:56] McCain, and there were obviously quite a

[35:57] few upset that we didn't. Uh we we

[36:00] endorsed Bush the last two elections. I

[36:03] think some of our readers on the

[36:04] Republican side were worried that we

[36:06] might endorse Obama because we'd written

[36:08] some editorials that praised him. So

[36:10] they were uh greatly relieved that we

[36:12] came down on McCain's side.

[36:14] >> And finally, Harold Jackson in

[36:16] Philadelphia. What did you hear?

[36:17] >> Well, yes, we heard from readers. We got

[36:18] the most comment from our decision to

[36:20] run the dissending opinion underneath

[36:22] our endorsement editorial. Uh our

[36:25] liberal Democratic readers just could

[36:27] not see why we would do that. It was

[36:29] unprecedented. We did it. Uh and I think

[36:31] that the result is probably something

[36:33] positive and that it uh started a good

[36:35] discussion about that process among

[36:37] editorial boards.

[36:38] >> Well, this has been a great discussion

[36:40] and we thank you all for for joining us.

[36:42] Harold Jackson uh in Philadelphia, Bob

[36:44] Rener in Richmond, uh J.R. Labby in Fort

[36:47] Worth, and Bob KD in San Diego. Thank

[36:50] you all.

[36:59] And another politics story. What next

[37:01] for Ted Stevens. Ray Suarez reports. A

[37:05] day after a Washington jury found the

[37:07] Alaska senator guilty of seven felony

[37:09] corruption charges. We take a closer

[37:11] look at the political implications of

[37:13] the verdict and gauge reaction in

[37:15] Stevens home state with Michael Kerry,

[37:18] host of a weekly political program for

[37:20] Alaska Public Television and columnist

[37:22] for the Anchorage Daily News. He joins

[37:24] us now from Anchorage. Michael Carrie,

[37:27] was the trial and its outcome yesterday

[37:29] closely followed in the state?

[37:32] >> Intensely. Uh, it was the lead story

[37:34] virtually every day in the Anchorage

[37:36] Daily News, Alaska's largest newspaper,

[37:39] and also on the television stations

[37:41] here, especially Channel 2, the local

[37:43] NBC affiliate.

[37:44] >> Now, before the jury announced its

[37:46] verdict, this already was one of the

[37:48] closest Senate races in the country. Is

[37:50] the verdict already having an impact?

[37:54] >> We think so, but we really don't know.

[37:56] It's going to take a few days. There's

[37:58] been a great deal of response uh in

[38:00] favor and support of Senator Stevens,

[38:02] particularly on talk radio where people

[38:03] have called in to say they've known him

[38:05] for years. They trust him. They think he

[38:07] got a raw deal. Some of them even say we

[38:09] don't care how they do it in Washington

[38:11] DC. We love Ted. But I think as time

[38:14] passes and uh and people begin to look

[38:17] at what the alternatives are for Ted

[38:19] Stevens, they may make a different

[38:21] decision when they finally come to vote.

[38:22] >> Didn't Senator Stevens from the outset

[38:25] push for a fast

[38:27] verdict on this push for the jury trial

[38:30] to go ahead right away so that there'd

[38:32] be a judgment before the election.

[38:35] >> Yes, that was his idea. Uh he pushed the

[38:37] prosecutors and told them he wanted a

[38:39] trial soon and under the law he had that

[38:41] right and proceeded with it. Um I don't

[38:44] think quite obviously he didn't get the

[38:46] outcome he expected or wanted.

[38:48] >> What have the state Republicans who are

[38:50] very prominent and strong in Alaska had

[38:53] to say about this verdict?

[38:56] Well, the official spokesman of the

[38:58] Republican party came out and said, "You

[39:00] know, not only is this a dark day for

[39:01] Alaska, but we should uh we have to

[39:04] worry about Mark Beg, the Democrat,

[39:05] becoming a US senator, what it might

[39:07] mean if the Democrats have 60 senators

[39:10] in a filibuster proof uh Senate. Um, but

[39:14] the Republican party now is deeply

[39:16] divided over the response of John McCain

[39:18] and Sarah Palin." Now, national

[39:20] Republicans uh including Mitch

[39:22] McConnell, the minority leader who's in

[39:24] a tough race himself in Kentucky, uh

[39:26] Senator John Enson, who's running the

[39:28] Republican senatorial effort, have both

[39:31] uh appeared to cut Ted Stevens loose?

[39:34] Does that kind of thing make an

[39:36] impression inside Alaska? Or is it kind

[39:38] of separated from what goes down down in

[39:40] the lower 48?

[39:43] At first, people will perceive it as uh

[39:45] people like McConnell saying, "Senator

[39:47] Stevens, there's the plank. Jump." But

[39:50] after a while, I I think as things uh

[39:53] set in with people, they'll realize that

[39:55] this is a matter of national concern

[39:57] that people are talking about it all

[39:58] over the United States. And I suspect in

[40:01] the long run, our opinion will in many

[40:03] ways replicate national opinion. Not for

[40:06] those people who are deeply tied to

[40:08] Senator Stevens, have personal

[40:09] relationships with him, but with the the

[40:12] larger population.

[40:13] >> Now, one prominent Alaska Republican is

[40:16] also the Republicans candidate for vice

[40:18] president. What has Governor Palin had

[40:20] to say about the Stevens verdict. Has

[40:22] she been really explicit about her

[40:25] feelings on this? Well, yesterday I saw

[40:28] in a tar tarmac shot where she came out

[40:31] and said the proverbial this is a sad

[40:33] day for Alaska and then sort of left it

[40:34] there. Today she's joined with John

[40:37] McCain and saying that uh Senator

[40:39] Stevens needs to step down and the

[40:42] Republican party needs to be protected.

[40:45] It's important for the viewers to know

[40:46] that Ted Stevens and John McCain have

[40:48] never been friends and uh this is in

[40:50] some measure um their continuation of

[40:53] their battle over ear marks and a

[40:54] personal rival rivalry that's gone on

[40:56] for years if not decades

[40:58] >> previous to Senator Stevens electoral

[41:01] problems. Was he close with the Alaska

[41:03] governor?

[41:05] >> Uh Senator Stevens, no. Um they're a

[41:08] different generation come from different

[41:09] backgrounds. Senator Stevens was in the

[41:12] Alaska legislature when Governor Palin

[41:14] was born. Whole different eras,

[41:16] different backgrounds. Um during the

[41:18] campaign, Senator Stevens appeared at

[41:21] one or two events with uh Governor

[41:22] Palin. And this was a huge surprise to

[41:26] voters here because it suggested that

[41:29] Senator Stevens really needed Governor

[41:31] Palin's help in this election and he's

[41:33] never asked anybody for help in that

[41:34] way. Presumably, it's too late for the

[41:37] ballots to be changed for the Alaska

[41:40] Republicans to nominate someone else for

[41:42] that seat. What are under Alaska

[41:45] electoral law, some of the possibilities

[41:47] that could play out now?

[41:50] >> Well, uh, Senator Steven, if if if Mark

[41:52] Beg wins this election, and he's run a

[41:55] very good campaign. He's a very skilled

[41:57] young man. I say that he's 44 years old,

[42:00] I believe, but 40 years younger than Ted

[42:03] Stevens. If he wins uh on Tuesday, he

[42:05] will be the US senator and that'll be

[42:07] the end of it. If if Senator Stevens

[42:09] prevails, he will go back to Washington

[42:12] and face all the process that in that

[42:15] would be involved there of a senator

[42:16] who's been indicted and perhaps some

[42:18] ethics quest, independent ethics

[42:20] questions as well. Then there'd be the

[42:22] question of would he step down? What

[42:24] would he do if he was sent to prison?

[42:26] These are all uh hypotheticals that we

[42:29] can only remotely um imagine. I think

[42:32] the important thing to know here is

[42:33] Senator Stevens character. He is not a

[42:36] man who is going to back down. He is

[42:38] never going to give up. He his goal in

[42:41] life it seems to has been to be a United

[42:44] States senator and he's going to be a

[42:46] United States senator as long as he can.

[42:49] >> Is he back in Alaska yet to campaign?

[42:52] >> No, he's coming back uh tomorrow is my

[42:55] understanding. There are various press

[42:57] requests in to meet him on Thursday

[42:59] night. he will be uh participate in a

[43:02] debate on public broadcasting here in

[43:04] Anchorage. Uh I'll be one of the uh the

[43:06] journalists questioning him and um

[43:09] that's uh looming as an important event

[43:11] here in the next few days.

[43:13] >> What has he had to say to the people of

[43:14] his state so far?

[43:17] uh the same thing that's been printed

[43:18] all over the United States that he

[43:20] thinks that this was really a justice

[43:23] department that was in or lawyers and

[43:26] the justice department who were out of

[43:28] control that the the uh the court case

[43:30] was handled very badly that he was

[43:32] mistreated. He's an innocent man. He's

[43:34] going to prove it and he will prove it

[43:36] on appeal or whatever method it takes to

[43:39] vindicate himself. Were there a lot of

[43:41] people in Alaska, as far as you could

[43:42] tell from your reporting, who were

[43:44] waiting on the sidelines to see what

[43:46] happened in order to decide where they

[43:48] were on this race?

[43:50] >> This is something I I really have never

[43:52] quite understood how many people would

[43:54] really sit back and say, you know, I

[43:55] want to find out if he's innocent.

[43:57] There's a variety of bad behaviors that

[43:59] went on with Senator Stevens and other

[44:01] people involved in the corruption trial.

[44:02] Would people really sit back and say, I

[44:04] need to know he was innocent. I need to

[44:06] know he was guilty. because during the

[44:08] campaign both Senator Stevens and his

[44:10] challenger, Mayor Begage of Anchorage

[44:12] were giving people lots of reasons to

[44:14] vote for them, vote for them or to vote

[44:16] against them. So, I think this has been

[44:18] hyped. Um, I can't prove that and I'm no

[44:21] pollster that I know of has really

[44:22] talked about it.

[44:23] >> Michael Kerry in Anchorage, thanks for

[44:25] joining us.

[44:27] >> Thank you.

[44:35] And finally tonight, throwing out a

[44:37] lifeline to American automakers. Jeffrey

[44:40] Brown has that story.

[44:42] As the federal government's financial

[44:44] rescue plan develops and expands, one of

[44:47] the nation's most important industries

[44:48] is now asking, "What about us?"

[44:51] Detroit's big three, hemorrhaging money

[44:53] for years, have seen conditions spiral

[44:56] downward quickly in recent weeks. And

[44:58] now General Motors is in merger talks

[45:00] with Chrysler, but says it needs federal

[45:02] help to complete a deal. We look at the

[45:05] situation with David Cole, chairman of

[45:06] the Center for Automotive Research, a

[45:09] notfor-profit institute in Ann Arbor,

[45:11] Michigan that studies the industry, and

[45:13] Peter Mauricei, an economist at the

[45:15] University of Maryland School of

[45:17] Business, who writes frequently on the

[45:19] state of the auto industry. Well, David

[45:21] Cole, GM is the immediate focus right

[45:23] now. How serious are its problems and

[45:26] how did they grow so quickly?

[45:31] I think the it's really sort of a

[45:33] doublebarreled shotgun blast to the gut

[45:36] uh that they've received as well as

[45:37] others in the industry. First of all was

[45:39] the rapid run up in energy prices and

[45:41] the huge transition that we saw in the

[45:43] market uh in the spring and early

[45:45] summer. And of course uh since the

[45:47] meltdown on Wall Street uh the credit

[45:49] crisis has really impacted because it

[45:52] impacts the consumer buying cars,

[45:53] impacts the dealer with their floor

[45:55] planning and it obviously impacts

[45:57] manufacturers and suppliers. And with

[45:59] the revenue shortfall that we've had in

[46:01] the last couple of months, this has been

[46:02] devastating on cash for the entire

[46:04] industry. Uh GM, Ford and even the

[46:07] internationals are really under an

[46:09] enormous amount of pressure right now.

[46:10] Now, staying with you, a lot of the

[46:12] problems of the industry, and we've

[46:14] talked with you on this program over the

[46:15] years, a lot of these programs have been

[46:17] there a long time. Uh, management

[46:20] problems, uh, not dealing with labor

[46:23] costs, uh, not building cars that

[46:25] Americans buyers want to buy. Are those

[46:29] to what degree are those problems still

[46:31] with us?

[46:33] >> Well, in many ways, the industry has

[46:35] changed remarkably. If you look at GM

[46:37] today, they're globally integrated. uh

[46:39] their products are much much better

[46:41] compared to what they were a few years

[46:43] ago and that's true of many in the

[46:45] industry today. The product execution is

[46:48] is really outstanding. Uh the market

[46:51] however can shift dramatically more

[46:53] quickly than any manufacturer can

[46:55] change. And of course one of the really

[46:58] underlying factors in this has been

[47:00] we've had a very narrow product range

[47:02] that was quite profitable and that was

[47:04] the trucks and SUVs. And one of the key

[47:06] factors in in that was the unintended

[47:09] consequences of uh the corporate average

[47:11] fuel economy standards back in the uh in

[47:13] the 70s. And when we hit 1980, we had a

[47:16] collapse in petroleum prices. Customers

[47:18] walked in and they said a car now that

[47:20] had to achieve 27 12 m per gallon really

[47:23] didn't fit them. And that truck or SUV

[47:26] really did. And so we had this explosion

[47:29] for 20 plus years in the truck business,

[47:31] but the car business was uh was really

[47:33] terrible. The other thing is that the

[47:35] legacy costs that the domestics had

[47:38] because they'd been around a long time.

[47:40] They had very attractive contracts for

[47:42] labor to find benefit on health care.

[47:44] For example, at one point GM was

[47:46] covering over a million people on health

[47:48] care costs. Uh which led to for the

[47:51] whole industry a couple of thousand cost

[47:53] disadvantage visav the new

[47:55] internationals the uh particularly the

[47:58] Japanese and Koreans that came here to

[47:59] build. U so in a sense there were a lot

[48:02] of mistakes all over the place the

[48:04] government uh certainly management uh

[48:06] labor but uh this is an enormously

[48:10] productive industry and it was an

[48:11] industry that could afford rich labor

[48:13] contracts until it became much more

[48:16] globalized.

[48:16] >> All right, let me bring Peter Mauricioi.

[48:18] I know we were having some technical

[48:19] difficulty. I hope you were able to hear

[48:21] a lot of that.

[48:22] >> I did.

[48:22] >> Okay, good. The question now of course

[48:25] is the is the industry coming to the

[48:27] government and suggesting that it needs

[48:30] uh it needs some cash fast. Now I don't

[48:33] know how you see the particulars of the

[48:35] situation now. What do you think about

[48:37] this request for cash? Is it should the

[48:39] government help?

[48:40] >> Oh, I don't think the government should

[48:41] give them any cash. Uh the the the

[48:44] Detroit 3 were in a lot of trouble

[48:46] before gas prices recently rose. They

[48:48] were in a lot of trouble before the

[48:49] credit crisis. Uh GM has been bleeding

[48:53] cash for several many quarters now as is

[48:55] Ford and Chrysler. Uh Dameler got rid of

[48:58] Chrysler because it couldn't make any

[48:59] money with the company and saw no

[49:01] prospects of doing so. If we were to

[49:03] give General Motors some money now to

[49:05] acquire Chrysler, this would just put

[49:07] off for 18 months, two years, the

[49:09] inevitable reckoning. One way or

[49:11] another, one or all three of these

[49:13] companies is going through Chapter 11.

[49:15] One way or another, the pensions are

[49:16] going to fall back on the pension

[49:18] guarantee uh corporation. the federal

[49:20] government runs and that's going to be a

[49:21] crisis for the federal government uh

[49:23] because it it doesn't really have

[49:25] adequate assets for all the pensions

[49:26] throughout the country that it's it's

[49:28] guaranteeing because that wasn't set up

[49:30] properly. Uh but the bottom line is

[49:33] we've heard over and over again from

[49:35] General Motors remorse and repentance

[49:38] and how they were going to finally

[49:39] upgrade themselves and be truly

[49:41] competitive with Toyota and the other

[49:44] transplant automakers that very

[49:45] successfully make highquality cars here

[49:48] in North America for some 20 or more

[49:51] years and they just haven't been able to

[49:53] deliver on that. The bottom line is that

[49:55] General Motors just doesn't make cars

[49:57] people want to buy and neither does

[49:59] Chrysler. Chrysler has a couple of good

[50:01] brands that would be very attractive to

[50:03] a Japanese manufacturer after it went

[50:06] through Chapter 11 and was rid of the

[50:07] UAW contract because it would nicely

[50:09] complement their lines and it one of

[50:12] those Japanese manufacturers could fix

[50:14] what is wrong with with Chrysler in

[50:16] those lines.

[50:17] >> All right, let me ask David Let me ask

[50:18] David Cole what's the argument for the

[50:20] government stepping in to help.

[50:22] >> Well, first of all, I don't think Peter

[50:24] is very upto-date on what's going on in

[50:26] the industry. He does not have deep

[50:27] knowledge on the industry. And if you

[50:29] understand this industry and what it's

[50:30] gone through and where it is today, it's

[50:32] dramatically improved from where it has

[50:35] been in the past. You look at the

[50:36] products, three of the last four cars of

[50:38] the year at the International Auto Show

[50:40] were GM products. Uh it's producing very

[50:43] well, but it has a very difficult time.

[50:45] Now, the bottom line here is that the

[50:47] cost of a failure and the cleanup of

[50:49] that mess is a whole lot more expensive

[50:52] than the prevention of that uh problem.

[50:55] >> You mean the You mean the cost of the

[50:56] broader economy? Is that right?

[50:58] >> Oh, the cost of the broader economy. We

[51:01] you look at a cascading impact in terms

[51:03] of tens of thousands over a million

[51:06] jobs. You look and and I am basically a

[51:08] free market guy and in principle I would

[51:11] agree with Peter. But when you look at

[51:13] the impact of this industry, the

[51:14] multiplier on jobs in this business

[51:16] which are higher than any other

[51:18] industrial sector, we're talking about a

[51:21] shock that this econom economy really

[51:23] cannot afford to take versus the cost of

[51:26] uh prevention which is nominal. Uh and I

[51:29] think what we have seen now is that the

[51:31] government does understand that they are

[51:34] moving forward I think with we don't

[51:36] know exactly how this is going to be

[51:38] shaped yet. whether it's the DOE money

[51:40] related to the uh fuel economy standards

[51:43] or the uh bailout of Wall Street. We're

[51:46] not sure how that's going to occur, but

[51:48] I think the government basically

[51:49] recognizes that if they let this thing

[51:51] get away, we have a real problem. And

[51:53] the future close by is really quite

[51:56] bright. If you look at uh capacity

[51:59] reduction uh the cost reduction

[52:00] particularly next year with a new labor

[52:02] contract and then third the penup demand

[52:05] this is a a very difficult period but

[52:08] the near-term future is really very

[52:10] bright and if you look at the

[52:12] functionality the capability of this

[52:14] industry it's dramatically improved from

[52:17] where it is. I'm not sure people outside

[52:19] understand that. Well, let me let let me

[52:20] let Peter Maurici respond particularly

[52:22] on the issue of if you let these

[52:25] companies fail, then the cascading

[52:28] impact on the broader economy are just

[52:30] too hard to contemplate. So, it's worth

[52:32] it's worth stepping in now. What do you

[52:34] think?

[52:34] >> Well, it's worth stepping in now if you

[52:37] accept that argument if giving them the

[52:39] money would keep the catastrophe from

[52:41] happening. But in my mind, putting

[52:44] Chrysler and General Motors together and

[52:46] then subsidizing them, the only way

[52:48] you're going to keep the catastrophe

[52:49] from happening two and three and four

[52:51] years from now is if you're prepared to

[52:53] write them a check every year from now

[52:55] and forever. Because General Motors,

[52:58] even with its new labor contract, is

[53:00] still going to have higher labor costs

[53:01] than, for example, Honda will have at

[53:03] its new Indiana plant. Uh, it's still

[53:05] going to have a more bureaucratic

[53:07] management structure, more difficulty

[53:09] and higher costs in developing new

[53:11] products. I mean, General Motors

[53:13] certainly has some winners. It just

[53:14] never has enough of them. Its products

[53:16] have an old shelf life because it costs

[53:19] too much to develop cars inside of

[53:20] General Motors. And that's quite a part

[53:22] from its UAW contract problems. My

[53:24] feeling is this is going to happen one

[53:26] way or another. So, we shouldn't throw

[53:27] good money after bad.

[53:29] >> I'm very sorry, but we're at the end of

[53:30] the program.

[53:32] >> You just don't know this industry at

[53:33] all. Okay, we'll have to leave it there.

[53:35] Peter Marissi and David Cole, thanks

[53:36] very much.

[53:46] And again, the major developments of

[53:48] this day. Stock markets around the world

[53:50] shot back up. The Dow Jones Industrial

[53:52] Average gained nearly 900 points. And

[53:54] with one week to go until election day,

[53:56] Republican John McCain vowed not to give

[53:59] up despite trailing in the polls.

[54:01] Democrat Barack Obama urged his

[54:02] supporters not to relax. An editor's

[54:05] note before we go. Last night, one of

[54:07] our guests mistakenly said that former

[54:09] Minnesota Senator David Durnberger had

[54:12] been convicted on felony charges of

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