The O'Reilly Factor (FNC) - 1999-06-04 (partial)

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[0:26] The O'Reilly Factor. It's straight

[0:28] ahead. And tonight we'll factor in peace

[0:30] in Cassovo. Now that the ink is drawing

[0:32] on the agreement, is the time to stop

[0:34] bombing come? Hillary's going to run.

[0:36] But can she make it all the way to the

[0:38] Senate and the ugly truth about China on

[0:41] this the 10th anniversary of Tenement

[0:43] Square massacre? I'm Al Damato and I'm

[0:45] Ed Cotch and we're filling in for Bill

[0:47] O'Reilly. Those reports upcoming, but

[0:49] first the latest from the Fox News Desk.

[1:02] Hello everyone, I'm Todd Connor. Peace

[1:04] may be on the horizon, but Serb media

[1:06] says NATO kept up its attacks overnight.

[1:09] This comes only hours before a NATO

[1:11] meeting on the Serb troop pull out.

[1:13] Generals from NATO, Russia, and

[1:15] Yugoslavia are sitting down to work out

[1:17] the logistics. NATO says the fighting

[1:19] could be over by Sunday, and relief

[1:22] agencies are planning how to get the

[1:24] refugees back home safely.

[1:27] Investigators interviewed the co-pilot

[1:29] of the American Airlines jet that

[1:30] crashed in Arkansas this week. First

[1:33] officer Michael Orel says everything was

[1:35] normal until the plane touched down.

[1:37] Nine people died when the plane crash

[1:39] landed. Well, not too many new jobs were

[1:42] created last month, but the jobless rate

[1:44] still went down. 11,000 new jobs were

[1:47] added to the payroll, making the

[1:48] unemployment rate fall onetenth of a

[1:50] percent. That means it's back down to a

[1:53] 29-year low of 4.2% 2% for non-farm

[1:56] jobs.

[1:57] And here's one patient you really don't

[1:59] want to get too angry. A tarantula from

[2:02] the National Aquarium in Baltimore

[2:04] needed a CAT scan. The vets are trying

[2:07] to cure a nasty infection. They found

[2:09] it's getting worse. So, the eight-legged

[2:11] creature goes under the knife next week.

[2:13] And believe it or not, this is the

[2:15] spider's second cat scan. We'll have

[2:18] another update coming up at the bottom

[2:20] of the hour. Stay tuned now for the

[2:22] O'Reilly Factor with guest host Ed Cotch

[2:24] and Al Damato.

[2:37] Good evening and welcome to the O'Reilly

[2:39] Factor. I'm Al Damato filling in for

[2:41] Bill along with my great pal, Mayor Ed

[2:44] Cotch. Now, you're probably asking

[2:46] yourself, why are these two hosting

[2:48] O'Reilly? And the answer to that is

[2:51] simple. Why not? That's right, Al. We've

[2:54] got plenty in store for you. So, let's

[2:56] get right to it. The top story tonight,

[2:59] the peace agreement in Kosovo. There's

[3:01] no celebrating yet, despite Yugoslavia's

[3:04] acceptance of the peace plan. The latest

[3:06] from Washington is that the air campaign

[3:09] might end by Sunday. Question, should we

[3:12] stop? Joining us from Boston with

[3:15] insight is Colonel David Hunt. Colonel

[3:17] Hunt was with the American

[3:19] commanderin-chief in Bosnia, overseeing

[3:22] the peace agreement there from 1994 to

[3:25] 1998. And joining us from Washington is

[3:28] Daniel Spearac, director of the

[3:30] Institute for Balkan Affairs. Welcome.

[3:33] >> Hi.

[3:34] >> Good, good to have you both with us. Let

[3:36] me ask you, should we stop the bombing

[3:38] and when? And I give it to you, Colonel.

[3:40] What do you think?

[3:41] >> No, don't stop.

[3:42] >> Don't stop. Absolutely. Don't stop the

[3:44] bombing until you get verification on

[3:46] the ground that the uh fry, the former

[3:48] Republic of Yugoslavia soldiers and the

[3:50] MUPS, the paramilitary are out.

[3:53] >> Well,

[3:54] Colonel, would you distinguish between

[3:56] uh civil uh uh items in the capital as

[4:02] opposed to in Kosovo itself?

[4:04] >> No, I I they all have to be out. The

[4:07] paramilitary and the civilian, the

[4:09] police and the military cause equal

[4:12] amounts of damage. The military does it

[4:14] with uh large artillery pieces and

[4:16] tanks. And the military the the uh

[4:19] >> but Colonel, do you remember the movie

[4:21] All Quiet on the Western Front uh when

[4:23] the last American uh soldier, the last

[4:27] German soldier um were killed just

[4:31] before the armist? Remember that?

[4:33] >> Do we want that to happen here?

[4:36] >> Absolutely not. I don't want to see any

[4:37] of any any soldier any US soldier or or

[4:40] NATO soldier killed for any reason.

[4:42] >> But so long as the war goes on uh people

[4:44] are being killed, right?

[4:45] >> Yeah. But the issue is that we allegedly

[4:48] if you wish to impose your will, in this

[4:51] case NATO's will on someone, in this

[4:53] case the fry. Um that that that is what

[4:57] we've been trying to do. It's

[4:58] unfortunately being done from the air.

[5:00] But if you want to continue to impose

[5:02] your will and get done what you say you

[5:04] want to get done, then you keep pressure

[5:05] on them. Keep your foot in their neck.

[5:07] >> Let's turn to uh Danielle. Danielle, uh

[5:10] do you believe uh that uh Melasovich

[5:14] will keep the agreement?

[5:16] >> Well, I believe that if the Yugoslav

[5:17] Parliament voted on it, they will keep

[5:19] to the agreement. But the problem at

[5:21] this point is that there are no winners.

[5:22] Nobody's a winner. Certainly not NATO

[5:24] after it's been bombing Yugoslavia,

[5:26] destroying it for months now. 1,200

[5:29] civilians killed, a third of them are

[5:31] children. I don't think there are any

[5:32] winners here. The problem NATO is going

[5:34] to have even when it goes into Kosovo is

[5:36] the same problem the Yugoslav army is

[5:38] having, which is namely the KLA are

[5:40] continuously trying to infiltrate

[5:41] themselves from Albania. So NATO is

[5:43] going to find itself trying to fight off

[5:44] the KLA. So this is a much more complex

[5:47] issue than a lot of people.

[5:49] >> Danielle, would you agree uh that

[5:51] Mallich is responsible for uh genocidal

[5:54] acts against the ethnic Albanians? No, I

[5:56] think that's part of the Clinton

[5:57] administration propaganda. I mean, they

[5:59] were negotiating with him.

[6:00] >> How do you think those 850 Danielle, how

[6:02] do you think those 850,000

[6:05] ethnic Albanians took to the road and

[6:07] are now refugees in Macedonia and

[6:10] Albania? Did they do it because they

[6:11] liked it?

[6:12] >> The same way 100 thou thousand 100

[6:15] thousand Serbs took to the roads from

[6:17] Kosovo, they're refugees as well. You

[6:19] know, they're Albanian refugees in other

[6:20] parts of Yugoslavia. Other Albanians are

[6:22] living as Yugoslav citizens. there's a

[6:25] war on and there's refugees when there's

[6:27] fighting and actually the refugees the

[6:28] vast majority of them was after NATO

[6:30] bombing started my own family to NATO

[6:33] bomb that's the reality

[6:34] >> Danielle the New York Times did an

[6:36] extraordinary uh spread last week and

[6:40] which they talked to refugees and do you

[6:44] deny the fact uh that young ethnic

[6:46] Albanians have been shot by the Serbs um

[6:51] who were seeking to flee that is the

[6:53] Albanians were that women have been

[6:55] raped, that there's been ethnic

[6:57] cleansing. You don't think any of that's

[6:59] true?

[6:59] >> Well, there are certain stories, I'm

[7:00] sure, of harassment. You you know, you

[7:02] have a lot of uh similar situations in

[7:04] wartime of revenge and horrible things

[7:06] happening in war. But the problem with

[7:08] New York Times spread is they never show

[7:10] the Serbs who have been killed by the

[7:11] Ka, terrorized by the Ka

[7:14] made into this big propaganda to justify

[7:16] these NATO attacks against a sovereign

[7:18] country. Well, you know, Danielle, let

[7:20] me let me say this, and I don't want to

[7:22] beating up on you. Um, there's no doubt

[7:25] in my mind that there has been a

[7:27] propaganda war waged by the

[7:29] administration and others. But there's

[7:30] also no doubt in my mind, uh, that there

[7:33] has been ethnic cleansing systematically

[7:36] being used, uh, the rape of of women in

[7:39] communities to terrorize them and to let

[7:41] them know you better get up and get out

[7:42] because this is going to happen to you.

[7:44] uh the destruction of men just simply

[7:47] because they're ethnic Albanians, even

[7:49] those who had nothing to do with the

[7:50] Kal. And so so there's no doubt about

[7:52] that. But the the the fact remains,

[7:55] should we stop the bombing and provide

[7:57] an opportunity and test Malloish to see

[8:00] whether or not he is going to begin to

[8:02] withdraw. Uh obviously you think the

[8:04] bombing shouldn't have even begun.

[8:07] And you don't you don't think the

[8:08] bombing should stop.

[8:10] >> Is that right?

[8:10] >> No, I think also we we're reinventing

[8:12] history here. In fairness to the Serbs,

[8:14] there was certainly a lot of bad things

[8:16] done to the Serbs in the Cena in the

[8:18] early '90s and in the early '7s by the

[8:20] Albanians to the Serbs. There's no

[8:21] question the Serbs have been malign had

[8:24] bad things happen to them. However, it

[8:25] does not excuse the uh the type of

[8:28] carnage that was created by the Bosnian

[8:30] Serbs and the Yugoslav Serbs in Bosnia.

[8:33] There were over 800 mass graves in

[8:35] Bosnia.

[8:36] >> I uncovered I uncovered just one. It was

[8:38] 2500 people massacred by the fry.

[8:42] Bosnia.

[8:43] >> Colonel, uh, many Americans say a plague

[8:45] on both your houses. You're each killing

[8:47] one another. Why should American

[8:50] soldiers be placed in danger? Uh, when

[8:53] today it's the Serves against the

[8:55] Albanians and tomorrow it's the

[8:57] Albanians against the Serves.

[8:58] >> I mean, that's a fair argument. The

[9:00] issue is that no one wants to see any

[9:01] American soldiers killed. The point is

[9:03] though, if you're going to conduct a

[9:04] war, if you're going you're going to

[9:06] impose your will, then it has to be done

[9:08] from both the air and the ground. My

[9:10] point is the point is that clearly the

[9:12] Serbs have had things happen to them. It

[9:14] doesn't excuse the conduct of these of

[9:16] these people most recently in Kosovo and

[9:19] very recently in Bosnia.

[9:20] >> We're going to be back incredibly bad.

[9:22] We're going to be back in just a moment

[9:24] because we're going to get into this uh

[9:27] where and how just how much uh with

[9:29] Colonel Hunt and Miss Fremac in a moment

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[12:23] Welcome back to the Factor. I'm Ed Cotch

[12:25] filling in for Bill along with my pal

[12:28] Aldamato and we're discussing the peace

[12:30] agreement in Kosovo with Colonel David

[12:32] Hunt and Danielle Shrimac from the

[12:35] Institute for Balkan Affairs.

[12:38] Uh let's go back to uh Danielle. Um, you

[12:42] know, there are two sides to this and

[12:44] there's no question that the uh Serves

[12:47] can say, why didn't the world speak out

[12:50] when the Croatians were torturing us and

[12:53] uh throwing us out? Where were you at

[12:56] that time? Were you bringing it to the

[12:57] attention of the world? I'm not faulting

[12:59] you. I'm just asking for historical uh

[13:02] reasons.

[13:03] >> I actually tried to to explain what was

[13:06] happening in Croatia. Uh even today over

[13:08] half a million serves from Croatia

[13:11] remain refugees and have yet to return

[13:13] to their homes. They're not allowed to

[13:14] return to their homes. And actually the

[13:15] war crimes tribunal looked into the uh

[13:17] actions of the Croatian army and found a

[13:20] great deal of war crimes have been

[13:21] committed. But as you say, you know,

[13:22] there is a double standard here and I

[13:24] think Croatia is useful to the Clinton

[13:26] administration in terms of Bosnia. So

[13:28] they're not pushing that uh aspect of of

[13:30] >> right. And a question you have every

[13:32] right to ask is why isn't Tudman uh

[13:36] indicted as a war criminal? Why only

[13:39] Malassovvich? That's the question.

[13:41] >> Exactly. And you know you have to look

[13:42] at two things. For example, you have

[13:43] Malloich and the Yugoslav army fighting

[13:45] a war against the Ka and some civilians

[13:48] have been killed and you can call that

[13:49] collateral damage. You have Clinton

[13:51] fighting a war against Malloich in

[13:52] Yugoslavia and he's calling you know

[13:54] 1,200 people killed collateral damage. I

[13:56] don't see much of a difference when

[13:58] you're fighting a war against somebody

[13:59] and you're killing civilians. It's as

[14:00] much of a crime on one side as in

[14:02] another.

[14:02] >> Well, I must say this. Uh I don't agree

[14:05] with the president that you can fight a

[14:07] war uh and not uh be prepared to suffer

[14:10] uh casualties. War is terrible. But you

[14:13] don't go into it unless you are prepared

[14:16] to fight it as a war. It cannot uh be uh

[14:19] that uh when the Yugoslavs cross over

[14:22] the border into Macedonia and take three

[14:25] American soldiers prisoners that we can

[14:27] say, "Oh, no, you broke the rules. We're

[14:30] allowed to bomb you, but you're not

[14:32] allowed to cross over uh into the

[14:35] Macedonian side." It's ridiculous.

[14:37] >> What do you say to that, Colonel? And

[14:39] and let me ask you, Colonel, I'll put

[14:40] you on the spot.

[14:41] >> Go ahead. If you had uh your brothers,

[14:45] what would you have? Would you have

[14:46] conducted this operation this way or

[14:48] would you have um brought together a

[14:53] greater compliment including ground

[14:55] troops on the borders, including more

[14:57] tactical air support? Um what would you

[15:00] have done differently?

[15:01] >> Nobody no the answer directly. Nobody in

[15:02] uniform would would have re should have

[15:05] been recommending this conduct. It was

[15:07] done to keep everyone keep our people

[15:09] out of harm's way. But it's no question

[15:10] that if you're going to do this, you do

[15:12] it with a combined arms. Air, ground,

[15:14] sea, everything you've got. You pour on

[15:16] these people. Again, if you decide

[15:18] politically that you want to go to war

[15:20] against anyone, it has to be a

[15:22] >> You think this operation was conducted

[15:24] in the manner that it should have been?

[15:26] >> No. No. Absolutely not.

[15:27] >> I mean, and it has caused we maybe may

[15:31] cause uh the fry and Mallich to do what

[15:35] they have signed. I doubt it. It didn't

[15:37] happen in Bosnia. Um, the only reason

[15:39] they got him to the peace table is with

[15:41] the Croats were attacking from the north

[15:43] and we bombed him in the south.

[15:44] >> And And you had a huge presence, right?

[15:47] A huge uh ground presence that was being

[15:50] put together with overwhelming

[15:52] firepower. So he understood

[15:53] >> well there was 60,000 we were putting in

[15:55] there um when when they finally decided

[15:58] to do date after Dayton. But the conduct

[16:01] of this was politically. I mean when as

[16:03] you know the knack runs that and you

[16:05] have to get 19 countries to agree. But

[16:07] but the issue of who's more guilty. I

[16:10] mean clearly the Croats and the Muslims

[16:13] and the Serbs conducted some very

[16:15] terrible things in Bosnia. There's no

[16:18] question that all three um those people

[16:20] could be indicted. But the num but you

[16:22] have to you have to uncover be around a

[16:25] mass grave as I have and they will those

[16:27] people up in up in uh Pela Farms

[16:30] northeast Bosnia were killed by the

[16:31] Dina. We have them on silent imagery

[16:33] killed 2500 people. That's just one.

[16:36] There's eight of those kind of mass craz

[16:37] around. This is not ancient history.

[16:40] It's recent history.

[16:40] >> You're right, Colonel. And Colonel, we

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[20:01] alongside of me is my friend Al Damato

[20:04] and in the personal story segment

[20:06] tonight, Congressman Bob Bar, a member

[20:08] of the now famous judiciary committee

[20:10] and one of the president's harshest

[20:12] critics, the congressman joins us now

[20:14] from Atlanta. Welcome, Congressman.

[20:16] >> Well, go ahead. It's great. It's great

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[20:26] >> You're very nice to say that. I want to

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[20:47] and the felons? What what's the

[20:49] philosophical reason to exclude gun

[20:52] shows uh from uh the background check?

[20:55] >> I don't think that it was a

[20:56] philosophical problem that most of us as

[20:59] Republicans have with requiring uh

[21:02] background checks for gun sales by gun

[21:04] dealers at gun shows. Uh uh I think the

[21:08] real problem was in the details of it.

[21:10] The versions that were floating around

[21:12] over in the Senate and which ultimately

[21:14] the Senate passed and which has now come

[21:16] over to the House. uh really excuse me

[21:20] uh go far a field of the basic uh

[21:22] notion. Uh they get involved in allowing

[21:25] for gun fees for transfers. They get

[21:28] into providing a lot more paperwork

[21:30] power for the government. Uh they get

[21:33] involved in uh sales that aren't

[21:35] legitimate sales. Uh if they had just

[21:38] stuck to the basic notion of saying,

[21:40] "Okay, this sale would require a

[21:43] background check on the outside.

[21:45] Therefore, it ought to require a check

[21:46] on the inside. Uh there wouldn't have

[21:48] been any problem. And hopefully that's

[21:50] what we'll get back to.

[21:51] >> But Congressman, if that were really the

[21:53] case, why didn't the Republicans, they

[21:55] are the majority in both houses, why

[21:58] didn't they offer an appropriate

[21:59] amendment to do it the way you suggest?

[22:02] Instead, while background checks existed

[22:05] everywhere else, the uh gun shows and

[22:09] the porn shops for redeeming your guns

[22:11] or buying your guns were excluded. any

[22:14] American watching that debate would come

[22:17] to the conclusion that the people who

[22:20] refused to support including those two

[22:23] uh areas of gun sales were nuts. Well,

[22:27] of course, also with all due respect to

[22:29] a lot of those folks over over on the

[22:31] other side that made a big deal out of

[22:32] this, none of this gets to the real nub

[22:35] of the question that that that should

[22:37] occur in our minds as the result of what

[22:39] happened in Coline. It was not lack of

[22:42] laws that relate to gun shows because

[22:44] the gun purchases that that were used in

[22:47] the Coline case. That was already an

[22:50] illegal transfer. It was already

[22:52] illegal. The problem that I have with

[22:54] the way the Republicans very frankly are

[22:56] allowing this whole debate to play out

[22:58] is we're being drawn into a debate over

[23:01] the minutia of gun control laws and

[23:04] we're losing sight of the big picture.

[23:06] >> Well, well, Bob, let me ask you this.

[23:09] you you know it is perception that

[23:11] counts so often because it becomes

[23:13] reality to to many people. Why shouldn't

[23:17] Republicans support gunlocks for

[23:19] example? Are you going to oppose that?

[23:21] >> Uh the the the fact of the matter is

[23:24] requiring gunlocks to be included in the

[23:26] box that somebody gets a gun in is

[23:29] meaningless. Uh no. I mean if people

[23:30] want to buy gun locks, if we want to say

[23:32] they ought to include it, fine. But

[23:34] that's that's one of those feelood

[23:36] things that

[23:36] >> That's right, Bob. Listen, I I mean, I'm

[23:38] not arguing with you about it. I I'm I'm

[23:41] saying to you, I don't think it's going

[23:42] to cut down crime and it may in in terms

[23:46] of the impact on society be minimal. But

[23:49] why should the Republicans be tabbed

[23:52] with this philosophy of of being the the

[23:55] uh the dupe, so to speak, of the NRA and

[23:58] and therefore even opposed to a very

[24:01] modest provision that says you got to

[24:02] have a gunlock. What What is the big

[24:05] deal? Now those I I don't disagree with

[24:07] you in terms that this is not going to

[24:09] address the core issues of

[24:12] responsibility

[24:14] of of really inculcating our children in

[24:17] society with the respect for for each

[24:19] and every individual and all of that

[24:21] that comes with it. But don't you see

[24:23] what takes place and how it's used and

[24:25] how we're bashed by and Republicans are

[24:28] cast as being guys who are going to

[24:30] protect the NRA and people with with all

[24:33] kinds of weapons. simple thing like the

[24:35] gunlock, will you vote for it or against

[24:37] it?

[24:38] >> Well, I mean, I have I have no problem

[24:39] with gunlocks, but it does it's not, as

[24:41] you say, it's not going to do anything.

[24:43] My problem with where the Republican

[24:45] party is in both the House and the

[24:47] Senate right now, Senator, is that we're

[24:50] being drawn into these debates. We're

[24:52] not defining the playing field. We're

[24:54] not leading the debate. We're following

[24:56] the debate. And we could be

[24:58] accomplishing so much if we didn't let

[25:00] ourselves be drawn into arguing over

[25:02] >> minutia. How would you lead that debate?

[25:04] Tell me where where you would go if you

[25:06] had your brothers.

[25:07] >> First of all, I would I would provide

[25:08] for a select committee at least on the

[25:10] House side, similar to what we did in

[25:12] the Cox report. Uh have a series of

[25:15] substantive hearings, not a half a day,

[25:17] which is what we had in the House last

[25:19] week, and then move in sort of knee-jerk

[25:21] reaction to mark up a piece of

[25:23] legislation that nobody's even seen yet.

[25:26] have a series of debate, focus on

[25:27] several things such as okay, what is the

[25:30] exact scope of current gun laws? What

[25:33] particular areas are they that there

[25:35] that we need to focus on? Do we need to

[25:36] enhance punishment for juveniles

[25:38] committing serious violent felonies? Is

[25:41] the administration enforcing existing

[25:44] gun laws? If not, how can we make them

[25:46] do it? If they are, again, what

[25:48] additional laws, if any, are needed?

[25:50] >> Can I break in, Congressman, because

[25:51] we're running out of time in a moment.

[25:54] Uh would you agree uh that background

[25:57] checks uh are necessary and have proved

[25:59] to be helpful?

[26:01] >> I I think the instant background check

[26:03] has an excellent way of handling some of

[26:04] these problems that have come up.

[26:06] >> But if instant isn't available, then do

[26:10] you object to waiting 3 days?

[26:12] >> Yes, I do. I think that an inst because

[26:14] there are many instances where somebody

[26:17] choosing to exercise their right to

[26:18] defend themselves needs a firearm the

[26:21] same day. And if as long as they're not

[26:23] disqualified, I think the Constitution

[26:25] and Common Sense guarantees them the

[26:27] right to have it,

[26:28] >> even if felons and lunatics uh sneak

[26:32] under that uh period and get guns.

[26:35] >> Well, what Well, we have provided tens

[26:37] of millions of dollars for the

[26:38] government to develop an instant

[26:40] background check system. If they can't

[26:41] do it, then we ought to get new people

[26:43] in there.

[26:43] >> Bob, I want to thank you very very much

[26:45] and we look forward to those hearings

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[29:26] >> We're back. That's right, Alato filling

[29:29] in for Bill along with my friend and

[29:31] buddy, Mayor Ed Cotch. And in the impact

[29:34] segment tonight, China's deadly

[29:36] intentions. Now that they have stolen

[29:38] our most sensitive military secrets,

[29:41] what do they intend to do with them?

[29:43] Joining us now from Washington are two

[29:45] men with keen insights into that

[29:47] situation. James Lily, former US

[29:49] ambassador to China, and Edward

[29:51] Timberlake, author of The Year of the

[29:54] Rat, which exposed the link between

[29:56] China's espionage and the campaign

[29:58] finance. Welcome, gentlemen. Let me ask

[30:01] you, you're the rat. You make some

[30:04] pretty serious allegations there. Get to

[30:08] the nub of it. Get right to the heart of

[30:10] it. What are you saying? Are you saying

[30:12] that that secrets uh were given to the

[30:16] uh Chinese in exchange for campaign

[30:19] contributions? Well, actually, I'm

[30:20] saying a little bit more uh directly,

[30:22] Senator, that the president of the

[30:24] United States took bribes and basically

[30:26] across the board compromised our

[30:28] national security.

[30:29] >> Stop right there. That's a pretty

[30:31] serious statement. I sir,

[30:33] >> tell me ex exactly what you mean when

[30:36] you say we he took bribes and

[30:39] compromised our national security.

[30:41] >> Certainly will. Um, I worked for

[30:42] Chairman Solomon over on the rules

[30:44] committee and uh during the course of

[30:46] the investigation we found individuals

[30:48] who have actually uh been found guilty

[30:51] now and and have been talking in front

[30:52] of Congress, Johnny Chong for one of

[30:54] them in which he admits he gave $50,000

[30:56] to the uh first lady's chief of staff

[30:59] and Chinese executives came into the

[31:01] president's radio address uh and the

[31:03] National Security Council emails talked

[31:06] very specifically about the joys of uh

[31:09] donor maintenance. Now, that's all

[31:10] illegal, of course, as you know. Uh,

[31:12] another case was the issue of Charlie

[31:14] Tree, another gentleman who's just pled

[31:16] out. Charlie Tree is a gangster out of

[31:18] Taiwan, was a fry cook in Little Rock.

[31:20] >> Well, but but let me make let me ask you

[31:23] a question now.

[31:25] They were guilty and have plead guilty

[31:27] to uh illegal campaign contributions.

[31:30] And in some cases, it would appear that

[31:32] the money came directly or certainly

[31:34] indirectly

[31:36] uh uh from China from China.

[31:38] >> Yes, sir. It now now but we said you

[31:42] said they compromise national security.

[31:44] Tell me where you make that linkage

[31:46] because that as far as I'm concerned is

[31:49] the key question.

[31:50] >> Correct. Yeah.

[31:51] >> And I'll give you the Charlie Tree

[31:52] example. Charlie Tree came in to the

[31:54] president's legal defense fund. His

[31:56] money is given by a fellow named Unlap

[31:58] Singh out of Macau. A guy who is a

[32:00] communist Chinese official. Also makes

[32:02] his money on gambling and prostitution.

[32:03] Wired millions to Mr. Tree. Tree gives

[32:06] $460,000 to the president's legal

[32:08] defense fund, which uh is directly money

[32:10] to Bill Clinton. I mean, there's no spin

[32:12] here. That's not hard money. That's not

[32:13] soft money. That's not political money.

[32:15] A dollar to your attorney is a dollar to

[32:17] you. When the money is delivered that

[32:19] afternoon, or actually at noon, he goes

[32:21] to lunch and meets a fellow who's pled

[32:22] the fifth uh who worked in the White

[32:24] House White House named Mark Middleton.

[32:26] Uh New York Times is reporting that uh

[32:28] there's allegations that 500,000 or so

[32:31] went to Mr. Middleton out of China and

[32:33] that's got to be resolved. But he handed

[32:34] Mr. Middleton a letter. Basically, it

[32:36] was the height of the Taiwan missile

[32:38] crisis. Missiles are bracketing the

[32:39] island of Taiwan in the water. Didn't

[32:41] hit the island proper. And carriers are

[32:43] going into harm's way. I went to the

[32:45] Naval Academy. My classmates are out

[32:46] there. And the letter was very bold and

[32:48] direct and provocative. Even Bill

[32:50] Clinton's team says it's provocative.

[32:52] And it had a very simple point.

[32:53] Actually, it had several, but the one

[32:55] point was, "Pay attention to this

[32:56] letter, Mr. President, or you'll have a

[32:58] tough time in 96." And about the third

[33:00] or fourth bullet basically said back off

[33:02] on Taiwan. China has a history of going

[33:05] to war over things like this remembering

[33:07] uh reminding the viewers uh that another

[33:10] general by the way had already

[33:11] threatened to say that uh is America

[33:13] prepared to trade LA for Taipei at the

[33:15] height of these crisis. So Tree delivers

[33:17] money and a letter.

[33:18] >> That's not a bribe and that's not a

[33:20] conspiracy on the part of the president.

[33:21] He may have not yet. Let me tell you

[33:23] what happened.

[33:23] >> But I have to give the ambassador uh I'm

[33:25] sorry an opportunity. Sure. Uh Mr.

[33:28] Ambassador, would you agree that the

[33:30] Chinese have engaged in espionage

[33:32] against us? And if you do, uh, don't we

[33:35] engage in espionage against them?

[33:39] >> Yes. The great game is played by both

[33:41] sides. I'm not saying they I played it

[33:43] against them. Sure. But are you trying

[33:46] to excuse them from what they did?

[33:47] >> I am. Not at all. I I think the the um

[33:51] attorney general should be compelled to

[33:53] resign for not uh supporting the uh

[33:57] application for a wiretap. But I don't

[33:59] think that simply because a country

[34:01] spies against us that we should say,

[34:04] "Oh, isn't the country terrible? We spy

[34:06] against them. It's the nature of the

[34:08] world." We're going to be back in just a

[34:11] moment. More with Ambassador Lily and

[34:12] Mr. Timberlake in just a moment. And

[34:14] then a subject I know a thing or two

[34:16] about. Running for the Senate in New

[34:18] York. Hillary says she's going to run,

[34:20] but can she win? It'll be one heck of a

[34:23] debate. We'll be right back.

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